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ICANN To Allow .brandname Top-Level Domains

AndyAndyAndyAndy sends in this excerpt from a Reuters report: "Brand owners will soon be able to operate their own parts of the Web — such as .apple, .coke or .marlboro — if the biggest shake-up yet in how Internet domains are awarded is approved. After years of preparation and wrangling, ICANN, the body that coordinates Internet names, is expected to approve the move at a special board meeting in Singapore on Monday. ... The move is seen as a big opportunity for brands to gain more control over their online presence and send visitors more directly to parts of their sites — and a danger for those who fail to take advantage."

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  1. Funny That by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "As a big brand, you ignore it at your peril," says Theo Hnarakis, chief executive of Australian domain name-registration firm Melbourne IT DBS, which advises companies and other organizations worldwide about how to do business online.

    And it only costs $185,000 USD.

    Funny, that.

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    1. Re:Funny That by Rei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There's a HUGE glaring hole with this notion. As someone who's filed for a trademark before, trademarks are only limited within a particular field of business. So, for example, you could have a car company named Shiny, a spatula manufacturer named Shiny, a metal alloy named Shiny, whatever.

      But there's only one TLD.

      So, not only is this messing over individuals, but it's *really* messing over smaller businesses or businesses who came later to the game -- even if they hold a legitimate trademark on that name. I own a small software company that happens to have the same name as a larger, established trucking company. This could happen to me.

      (Oh, and if your answer to anyone is, "Just pick another name"... do you have any clue how thoroughly picked through the trademark filings are? The Futurama "popplers" joke about there only being two product names in existence left untrademarked isn't that far off. Oh, and if you use a foreign word, you have to not overlap on both the foreign word *and* its translation)

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    2. Re:Funny That by DASHWORLDS · · Score: 1

      Getting into the gTLD Game "Without Peril"....and Without Spending $185,000 (plus potentially unlimited yearly costs).........Anyone can now create their own set of Domains and/or TLDs at no cost and without reference to ICANN, simply by registering new Dashcom (instead of Dotcom) Domains.......Dashcoms are brand new web addresses in the format "sport-com", "rock-music" and "high-heels" (you can even use Facebook Emoticons like musical notes etc).........With users and members in over 90 countries worldwide, resolution is via an APP......although ISP links are now available to negate that need (ISP links that are also available to ICANN).

    3. Re:Funny That by sarysa · · Score: 1

      The more I think about it, the more this makes perfect sense. If one can just type "apple" to go the current apple.com, www-google-com could become quite the commodity. Or better yet, www-chase-com, www-bankofamerica-com, www-citibank-com...

      ICANN employees, some of you read this site, surely?

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    4. Re:Funny That by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Only assholes fail to set a CNAME for www...

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    5. Re:Funny That by wisty · · Score: 1

      OK, so what we really need is each "particular field of business" getting a TLD. So there's one apple.computer; one apple.records, and no apple.fruit as that would be too generic.

      What could possibly go wrong?

    6. Re:Funny That by sortius_nod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's the other way around. Assholes not setting the actual domain to the www server.

      Australian government departments are classic for this. http://www.govtdept.gov.au/ will work, drop the www and you get time outs.

    7. Re:Funny That by danlip · · Score: 1

      How about we say "ignorant people" rather than assholes. "Asshole" implies they are being deliberately obnoxious.

    8. Re:Funny That by psyclone · · Score: 1

      That's how Chinese Internet Keywords work, and there is a "keyword registry" for them, just like a "domain registry".

      It's just like DNS though, you're still mapping a name to a number (IP) somehow.

      In your example, assuming *.apple was a wildcard top level domain, www.apple would go directly to their website. (And perhaps even "apple" if they used a glue record at the root servers.)

    9. Re:Funny That by rs79 · · Score: 1

      Domain names aren't trademarks, they're ways to address a node on a network.

      The network works just fine even though both Delta Airlines and Delta faucets have a trademark for "Delta".

      Nobody turns on their tap and expects to hear airline schedules.

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    10. Re:Funny That by PRMan · · Score: 1

      The real question is whether .coke could get ICEd.

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    11. Re:Funny That by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Domain names aren't trademarks, they're ways to address a node on a network.

      Companies are all internet-enabled now, and they want anyone looking for their trademark via search engine or URL to find them.

      Basically, "Domains aren't trademarks"; stopped working when beancounters everywhere decided they wanted them to be. And now they're on the verge of making the ultimadum "It's too unfriendly to have to have that .COM .NET or .ORG in there; take it off; just make us http://apple/ or what have you "

    12. Re:Funny That by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Your domain should point somewhere. If it's a small system, everything probably points to the same thing.

      In their case, someone just forgot to set the A record for the domain itself.

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    13. Re:Funny That by The13thSin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It goes beyond that... it's also about recognition.

      When I see "blablabla.com" I'm pretty sure that's a website. When toplevel domains are fully customizable and some companies will presumably start using http://microsoft/ or http://apple/ ... recognition will be gone, which is very annoying and slightly confusing. Most annoying for me personally (and many others I gather) will be I can no longer use the top bar for both searching and entering a webaddress. If I enter one word right now, it searches for it and if I enter a word+".com" (or similar) it goes to the web page. How will it be able to know once we go "keyword"-ing our TLDs? (Without either having a current list of ALL TLD's (which can become a huge list) or looking it up online (which introduces lag, especially on mobiles)?

      But it was bound to happen I guess... ICANN wasn't going to ignore this huge amount of money that they can make from this just because it might make sense.

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    14. Re:Funny That by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      home.ZiffrenBrittenhamBrancaFischerGilbert-LurieStiffelmanCookJohnsonLandeAndWolf (yes, it's a real law office)

    15. Re:Funny That by Kjella · · Score: 1

      The situation isn't really much different than the .com domain today. That's the one everyone wants, now it'll be the TLD. If you're late you get shinyspatulas or shinycars instead of shiny, is it really all that complicated?

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    16. Re:Funny That by devent · · Score: 1

      That's funny. If I enter in Firefox http://apple/ then the browser puts me to http://apple.com./ Also for http://slashdot/ and for others. Maybe Firefox already knows about the new ICANN stuff?

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    17. Re:Funny That by devman · · Score: 2

      The other annoying part will be resolving unqualified hostnames on your local domain will conflict more easily with fully qualified domain names. I mean suppose I had a box named 'apple' on my network now I won't be able to just type 'ssh user@apple' because it might try to connect to Apples website. Now you will have to fully qualify everything. Annoying.

    18. Re:Funny That by Mavakoy · · Score: 1

      ".apple"

      Let the inevitable legal warfare commence as the two Apple's bicker over who gets the TLD!

    19. Re:Funny That by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      I would rather expect a kind of warfare with giant wooden horses and blind poets...

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    20. Re:Funny That by TarpaKungs · · Score: 1

      I own a small software company that happens to have the same name as a larger, established trucking company.

      Your software company is called Eddie Stobart?

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    21. Re:Funny That by Anthony+Mouse · · Score: 1

      That's not the half of it. MS Active Directory uses DNS for its domain names and 90% of companies just make up a TLD that didn't exist at the time. Windows domain names end up being something like apple.private, apple.pri, apple.domain, etc. Or they just use their own company name as the TLD. Now you just wait until Public Radio International wants http://pri/ or some domain name registrar picks up http://domain/ and you break everybody's AD because everything tries the FQDN first. To say nothing of what happens when Apple Records uses 'apple' with no TLD as their AD domain and then Apple Corp gets the .apple TLD.

    22. Re:Funny That by yakatz · · Score: 1

      Are you sure?
      There are other points-of-view of course.

    23. Re:Funny That by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You know what a CNAME is right? An alias basically?

      So you set everything up to not require the www, then you put the CNAME in. Provided you're not an idiot and have told the webserver to expect it (if it cares about DNS names for requests), then it doesn't matter at all whether or not the www is present - the only exception being SSL which may or may not care (depending on if you set your subjectAltName correctly etc)

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    24. Re:Funny That by GraZZ · · Score: 1

      Capitalistic gold rushes favour early entrants and those with coin to drop? News at 11.

    25. Re:Funny That by yakatz · · Score: 1

      I know what a CNAME is (and I have plenty of them, mostly pointing to ghs.google.com, but that is another story), but I was trying to point out the no-www certification level Class C?

    26. Re:Funny That by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone care about some "certification" from some random website? It's not like it's some real organization who does something that matters (contrast to xhtml/css validation "certifications").

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    27. Re:Funny That by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      Makes me wonder if ICANN is smart enough to reserve some words, the way private IP blocks are reserved by IANA. Hopefully they are and hopefully "local", "domain" and "private" are on that list.

    28. Re:Funny That by Beorytis · · Score: 1

      So there's one apple.computer; one apple.records...

      What could possibly go wrong?

      The same thing that went wrong with the trademarks. They were different fields of business and Apple Records seemed heavy-handed for suing Apple Computer over the trademark and logo. Not many years later and what do you know? Apple Computer is now selling music.

    29. Re:Funny That by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      All words are foreign to someone.

    30. Re:Funny That by skelly33 · · Score: 1

      This should go without saying, but there is a general movement towards dropping the requirement for users to type the (worthless|redundant) "www."whateveryouwant.com into the browser. For one thing it reduces confusion: if your website is www.yoursite.com then your email address should be AnonymousCoward@www.yoursite.com - but it's not: you have to drop the www. in order to deliver correctly. Making the default behavior work based on DNS and/or protocol (port address) whenever possible is widely appreciated. It removes the "www." from google.com, etc.

      P.S. - This has been a contentious issue since at least 1997 which was when I tuned in, and it is generally accepted that the "assholes" are the ones on the "www." side :)

  2. This changes or improves NOTHING by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, I think it just makes it worse.

    Not only will there continue to be trademark and other fights over .com, .net and all the rest, there will now be a new level of fighting over a huge rush of TLDs.

    Next up, rapid filing for trademarks in small island nations and squatting on TLDs. If I thought of it that easily, so did a thousand scum-bags out there.

    1. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      They can fight over 'em if they want, but I doubt that anyone would actually *use* them.

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    2. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see the exact same thing - it was bad enough when a company went after (anythingclosetomytrademark).(anyTLD), now that second part goes from one-in-100 to a wildcard.

      Buy .georgejetson and then try to use pepsi.georgejetson and watch the fireworks. this is just going to create a mess. Look at how crazy they go now if you try to register pepsii.com or a TLD they didn't think to register like pepsi.co

      Now companies have to be thinking about unlimited TLDs, not just a handful.

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    3. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by rdbiker · · Score: 2

      This is the AOL-ization of the internet. Sad.

    4. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by John.P.Jones · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now companies have to be thinking about unlimited TLDs, not just a handful.

      Due to the hierarchical nature of DNS, there is no difference between adding one more TLD and allowing any domain as a TLD (. vs .com).

      I propose registering '.sucks' and then mirroring all of DNS inside it so resolving icann.org.sucks resolves to icann's website. Extra props for doing so recursively so that so does icann.org.sucks.sucks.sucks.

    5. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Actually.. I do think it's an improvement, in a way.

      There's plenty of non-commercial entities on .com domains. .org domains sometimes have commercial entities .net could be anything from raindows and ponies to hardcore porn
      a .us site may well be run by a company on the Seychelles acting for a business in Georgia

      Given that there's really very little meaning to the a TLD anyway, I welcome its further dilution to the point where we realize that really it doesn't matter whether we access http://coca-cola.com/ or http://the.real.thing/ , as long as we know what's on there (via prior visits or via google results), it doesn't matter.

      Yes, there will be some additional trademark bickering - good for the lawyers. Yes, there will be some domain squatting - who cares, deal with them as you do now. Who cares if somebody registered pepsi.anything - why would anybody looking for pepsi go there? No reason. So why worry about it? Trademark dilution? So print out a template complaint. There, done your trademark defense obligation bit. As it is, with the existing domains, Pepsi Co doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to get pepsi.cc unsquatted, pepsi.lu isn't set up yet, and pepsi.lv is a dead end.

      As it is, a lot of people don't even go straight to a site anymore.. they enter the company name, or even the URL, into the (google) search bar, then hit the (usually) first result there.

      If the opening up of TLDs were to have been stopped, it should have been stopped long before the days of .xxx and .aero and far stricter regulation of the use of the existing .com, .net, .org, .edu and ccTLDs.

    6. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess the point you're making is that it doesn't matter - we should ignore the TLDs anyway. Fine and good, but what bothers me is that ICAAN has just managed to pad it's coffers by a significant amount without really helping the Internet work better. It's really just a form of rent seeking.

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    7. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by Inner_Child · · Score: 1

      I propose registering '.sucks' and then mirroring all of DNS inside it so resolving icann.org.sucks resolves to icann's website. Extra props for doing so recursively so that so does icann.org.sucks.sucks.sucks.

      Congratulations, you've recreated the alt.* hierarchy on usenet!

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    8. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by Palmsie · · Score: 2

      I agree completely. It solves nothing. In fact, it just makes things needlessly complicated. For instance, does some nature conservatory body about the amazon river get dibs on .amazon if they front the cash or does the internet giant get it? Does that infringe on Amazons copyright? The classic excuse regarding similarly named companies is that it confuses consumers, e.g. Facebook sueing all "___Book" companies. So now both big and small companies can spend more time sueing each other than making products or actually running their businesses. Super move ICANN.

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    9. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by blair1q · · Score: 1

      The case law regarding squatting on trademarks in domain names is pretty cut-and-dried by now.

      One case extending all of that to TLDs would be sufficient, and would take about 5 minutes in the court of a judge who isn't a total dunce.

    10. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      so if I register "die" I can create a website at http://alt.barney.die.die.die/

      I approve of this

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    11. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      so how do we deal with this now?

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    12. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I want to suggest a new RFC to the IETF and a revision to all standards: Top-level Domain names may not exceed 3 characters in length.

      Get that on the standards track, get that into standard status. Stop this ICANN foolishnes.

    13. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by dakameleon · · Score: 1

      So, uh, you've never noticed a .info? Or any of the other non-3-char TLDs?

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    14. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by whiteboy86 · · Score: 1

      Easy fix, just allow only one domain name per identity per LTD. So you can pick only one xyz for your xyz.com xyz.net.. wait, that would ruin the domain 'business'.

    15. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by cratermoon · · Score: 1

      Except that 'die' also happens to be German for 'the', so either a) it'll be a huge fight over who gets the name or b) ICANN will disallow registering it because it's a common word. The money, quite literally, is on ICANN giving it to whoever has the most deutschmarks.

    16. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by Rennt · · Score: 1

      Very little meaning? I don't think you've thought that through. How is domain name resolution supposed to work?

      Lets say we just do away with DNS entirely. After all, most people just google keywords (or trademarks), so google could just index the IP addresses directly. Then all you'd have to do is memorize the IP of google's search page... going to be a pain in the ass when IPv6 rolls out (which will have to be a lot sooner considering every website would then require a dedicated IP).

      I have a better idea. ICANN should just stick to it's job and stop trying to find new and inventive ways to monetize DNS.

    17. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by shentino · · Score: 1

      That last part is why we have a problem.

    18. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by smellotron · · Score: 1

      ... does some nature conservatory body about the amazon river get dibs on .amazon if they front the cash or does the internet giant get it?

      so how do we deal with this now?

      We spend some quality time with the hosts file of our co-workers who don't lock their desktops, ensuring that amazon.com resolves to some nature conservatory body about the amazon river.

    19. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      My favourite one is .mobi. They decided to pick a TLD name that's really hard to type on a mobile phone keypad... for use by services aimed at mobile devices.

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    20. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by lxs · · Score: 1

      I know German word order is different, but they don't put "the" at the end of a sentence. That would be madness.

    21. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      [q]Very little meaning? I don't think you've thought that through. How is domain name resolution supposed to work?[/q]
      Well, enlighten me - how does it work now?

      How does an IP lookup for something.com differ from that of something.net?

      How was domain name resolution affected by the addition of something.aero, something.museum, something.xxx?

      How would it be affected by something.rocks?

      And, finally, how would it be affected by 'something' (no dot-anything after it)?

    22. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      I guess the point you're making is that it doesn't matter - we should ignore the TLDs anyway

      You got it :)

      Fine and good, but what bothers me is that ICAAN has just managed to pad it's coffers by a significant amount without really helping the Internet work better.

      Oh I agree that it's mostly a money grab. But we already have similar such money grabs with the existing TLDs under the maintenance of registrars - especially those who park domains themselves in the hope that somebody would actually come register it or a subdomain of it, and registrars who have sole discretion over a given TLD (such as those of tiny island nations).

    23. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by erroneus · · Score: 1

      Apple will find that impossible. I once worked for a company that registered "next.com" only to find correspondence from Apple Computers shortly thereafter. It won't matter if there is such a limitation. How much work and expense would there really be for huge companies to spin off other entities from which to control other TLDs?

      For every "rule" you will find a multitude of ways to get around them.

      I think the point of all this is that ICANN is not driven or directed by anyone with interests in the internet as an important entity by itself.

    24. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by cratermoon · · Score: 1

      Madness? This is brand marketing and advertising we're talking about.

    25. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      ICANN might be stupid, but they wouldn't be so foolish as to ask for payment in an obsolete currency. I think they'd prefer to sell it to whoever has the most Euros.

    26. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by ekhben · · Score: 1

      I do tend to argue that DNS is now for systems administrators, to allow for easier renumbering of services, and that Google is how regular folk find websites.

    27. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by cratermoon · · Score: 1

      Ah right, I forgot, die Euro.

    28. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Due to the hierarchical nature of DNS, there is no difference between adding one more TLD and allowing any domain as a TLD (. vs .com).

      I don't think that's true. There are only a small number of root servers around the world. Having an unlimited set of TLD's will require root servers to host much larger databases and to handle more traffic.

    29. Re:This changes or improves NOTHING by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am aware of those. Under a RFC eliminating TLDs longer than 3 characters, those would be allowed to continue to operate, for backwards compatibility, but DNS servers and DNS resolvers would not be required to resolve them, they'd fall under a: "A DNS resolver must not attempt to resolve a domain for a TLD containing more than 3 characters. However, a DNS resolver MAY attempt to resolve domains in the .INFO, .COOP, .ASIA, .AERO, .JOBS, .MOBI, .NAME, .MUSEUM, and .TRAVEL TLDs, as a temporary exception for backwards compatibility with prior versions of the Domain Name System implementation.

  3. Dear ICANN by stox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    F U!

    Sincerely,

    The Internet

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  4. Oh no by Marillion · · Score: 1, Funny

    There went the Internet

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    1. Re:Oh no by dcollins · · Score: 1

      That's what I was going to say. Beat to the registration, dammit.

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  5. A bad idea. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

    This does nothing but muddy the waters further as to what a top level domain is for. The original purpose was to help distinguish the class of site one was dealing with. Branding was already a clear part of the domain. The second part.

    This will make web browsers less useful too. As it stands now, if you type apple in your browser bar, it uses a search engine and locates the cloest match to that idea. This would make it ambiguous with a TLD and make it impossible for your browser to easily tell when to search.

    1. Re:A bad idea. by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Funny

      It should search never. The address bar is for typing in addresses. If you want to search, type something in the search bar.

    2. Re:A bad idea. by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The waters have been muddy for a long time now. For a lot of major sites, the .net .org and .com will redirect to the same place.

      We've reached the stage where .com just means "on the internet". It's redundant. This is just a roundabout way of eliminating the need for ".com"

    3. Re:A bad idea. by rockout · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks Grampa. I'll inform the Google Chrome team of your wacky 90's idea. Should go over big.

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    4. Re:A bad idea. by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      That is the search bar. A dedicated text field you have to put your cursor in depending on whether you want to visit a URL or search for keywords is a waste of screen space and of user time.

    5. Re:A bad idea. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Utter nonsense. Unless you want to give all your searching over to whatever search service (read: "corporation") happens to have control of your address bar at any point in time. If you're a Google fanboi, maybe you like that idea. I don't.

      There is perfectly good rationale for having your searches separate from your explicit addresses. When I want to go to a site, I want to go to the site I typed in, not some search engine's idea of what site I was looking for.

      It may be a "90s" idea (as someone else called it), but it's a damned good one. I'll keep my searches separate, thank you very f*ing much.

    6. Re:A bad idea. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

      I forgot to include: if a page I'm looking for doesn't exist, I want to get a 404 error.

      Search engines today are simply not smart enough to guess what I want... and I know, because I have given them lots of tries in that context and they get it wrong far too often. I was royally pissed when Comcast usurped my 404 errors and directed me to their favorite search engine instead. That should be illegal. As it is, I had to look up how to turn that very seriously UNWANTED feature "off".

      Maybe in another 10 years the algorithms will be smarter at figuring things out. For now, my address bar is my address bar, and my searches only happen when I tell them to. And I am more productive as a result.

    7. Re:A bad idea. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Utter nonsense. Unless you want to give all your searching over to whatever search service (read: "corporation") happens to have control of your address bar at any point in time. If you're a Google fanboi, maybe you like that idea. I don't.

      Google fanboi? Who mentioned google? Why not set the bar to search Bing.

      Anyway when we're done with the name slagging I could not disagree with you more. An address is a perfectly structured form of text. It has a dot, often com, www, and currently all the combined bars have absolutely no problem identifying the difference between what I type as a URL and what I type as an unstructured search term. Combining the two costs nothing and has the added advantage of making the interface simpler, potentially saving screen space depending on its layout, and automatically searching miss-typed URLs putting me not a complete re-type away, but rather a click on a search result.

      It is a 90s idea. Just like the command prompt and a whole lot of other "damned good" interface ideas which many people are glad went away into the ether.

    8. Re:A bad idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      we need a -1 douchbag mod.

      The internet was set up in a clear, logical and fair way. What is happening now is that businesses are pushing standards back and forth and it all ends up in one big pile of clusterfuck. But oh, such money to be made.

      The GP is right. If you don't get his point, I feel sorry for you. You're not as proficient at the internet as you think you are.

    9. Re:A bad idea. by smellotron · · Score: 1

      Google fanboi? Who mentioned google?

      That would be this guy...

      Thanks Grampa. I'll inform the Google Chrome team of your wacky 90's idea. Should go over big.

      ...whom you indirectly paraphrased...

      It is a 90s idea. Just like the command prompt and a whole lot of other "damned good" interface ideas which many people are glad went away into the ether.

      ...while also insinuating that you don't believe command line interfaces exist anymore (unless "the ether" means /etc/ethers). What OS are you using that doesn't come with a command-line interface?

    10. Re:A bad idea. by smellotron · · Score: 1

      I was royally pissed when Comcast usurped my 404 errors and directed me to their favorite search engine instead. That should be illegal. As it is, I had to look up how to turn that very seriously UNWANTED feature "off".

      Agreed. Mine keeps turning itself back on. I just type URLs very carefully now.

    11. Re:A bad idea. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. This would have been my reply, or close enough to not matter.

    12. Re:A bad idea. by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      Ha, actually this works. Sort of.

      If I type me@gmail.com into the address bar it just goes to gmail.com and opens my email.

    13. Re:A bad idea. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Considering that all the other major browsers (IE, Firefox, and Safari) all have separate search bars...

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    14. Re:A bad idea. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's a bullshit argument at best.

      Now tell me how many mommys and daddys actually know how to open the command line in windows? Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily gets used. I can't think of a single reason to ever open a command line interface for normal operation of a system.

      Just like I can't think of a single reason to keep the URL bar separate from a search bar for normal operation. And if you don't want to keep them separate just open up Lynx in a terminal. That'll keep you happy I'm sure.

      The thing about change is that it rarely if ever depreciates the old method. You said it yourself command line interfaces haven't disappeared. Well just pick a browser that still has your precious separate bar.

    15. Re:A bad idea. by smellotron · · Score: 1

      Now tell me how many mommys and daddys actually know how to open the command line in windows?

      The minority. I don't believe I ever claimed otherwise.

      Just because it exists doesn't mean it necessarily gets used. I can't think of a single reason to ever open a command line interface for normal operation of a system.

      I can think of reasons, but my definition of "normal operation of a system" probably differs from yours. Heck, my definition varies substantially between home and work. Sure, the command line may be a power-user-only component of any computer, but the fact remains that it exists—it did not vanish into the ether—which was the original point of my post.

      Well just pick a browser that still has your precious separate bar.

      I do. I will stay away from any browser that removes my URL bar. OTOH, I don't really have a problem with visual "de-cluttering" of the URL bar that Opera does, because it doesn't remove control. And yes, it's my precioussssss... Stupid fat Googleses want to take it from us, they do!

    16. Re:A bad idea. by rockout · · Score: 1

      Well, you missed the point entirely, but because I'm in a garrulous mood, I'll take the time to explain it to you.

      Most people don't type addresses anymore (which has been pointed 1 billion times in the comments on this ICANN story). They just type searches. In Chrome's interface you can type either, because, guess what, it's totally unnecessary to have two separate bars for 99% of users. And the remaining 1% are old jerk-offs that fear change for no good reason.

      Now go get a sense of humor, you twat.

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    17. Re:A bad idea. by doshell · · Score: 1

      Centralized DNS was good, but it's time for it to go the way of the bang path. Next stop, IP and its antiquated, centralist ideas about routing and addressing.

      Centralist ideas? You clearly do not know how routing in the Internet works.

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    18. Re:A bad idea. by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      People like you are why the user who actually knows what he's doing gets stuck with less functionality. "If the average Internet tard doesn't use this feature, let's just drop it!" Thanks a lot.

      Just because the average fuckwad does something doesn't mean that's the way everybody wants to do it.

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    19. Re:A bad idea. by rockout · · Score: 1

      There's no functionality lost. If you type in an address, you get that address. If you type in some search terms, you get the search results. Perhaps if you were an average fuckwad, you'd know this.

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    20. Re:A bad idea. by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      There's no functionality lost. Explanation without being a fuckwad: Ctrl+L highlights the entire bar, to either enter an address, or to search. Ctrl+K enters a '?', which if you type after that will always perform a query. You can also manually type in the '?'.

  6. Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by onkelonkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My impression is that most folks don't type addresses, they get to sites through google. If I want to go to say Ford's website I open google, type ford, and click on the first link. I usually never type urls unless I have no other way to get there. I don't really need to care if their site is ford.com or cars.ford or whatevever.

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    1. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by Literaphile · · Score: 2

      My impression is that most folks don't type addresses, they get to sites through google. If I want to go to say Ford's website I open google, type ford, and click on the first link. I usually never type urls unless I have no other way to get there. I don't really need to care if their site is ford.com or cars.ford or whatevever.

      This is basically it. Top level domains are getting to be virtually irrelevant to the average user.

    2. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by imroy · · Score: 2
    3. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's funny, I'm pretty sure I made fun of my technically illiterate friends for doing this years ago.

      I'd watch this happen. they'd type in www.google.com to get to google's web page, and and then they'd type in "comcast" to get to comcast's website. I'd be like "I watched you type in 'www', 'comcast', and '.com', so I know you have it in you to type in 'www.comcast.com', why the hell didn't you?"

    4. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's bad is that I have seen people who, when I say, "Go to Google," actually go to Google, type in "google" in the search bar, and click the first link to get to it.

    5. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by siride · · Score: 1

      The solution to what problem, exactly? TLDs are already semantic defunct. They weren't really necessary in the first place. As others here have pointed out, there's no point in artificially limiting TLDs to meaningless TLAs like "com" or "net".

    6. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      wait.. how do you send emails to people then?

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    7. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by brainzach · · Score: 1

      If it is a well known company, I expect a .com address or a .org for a non-profit to show up for the search result. If I see cars.ford, ford.biz, ford.co or any other gimmick TLD, I will question if it could be spam. They are pointless and just cheapen the brand

    8. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's stupid, they should be using the "I'm feeling lucky" button.

    9. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when I bought my phone at a 3 Mobile store right after the acquisition by Vodafone. Their terminals didn't have address bars so they couldn't get to the Vodafone site directly. They got there in a few easy steps though:

      1. Open up the search bar in IE7
      2. Type "Google" into the search bar.
      3. Click the link to Google on the Bing page.
      4. Type Vodafone into Google.
      5. Click top link.

      I chuckled.

    10. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I've seen them type Google in the Bing search because that's what first opens when they start their browser :-)

    11. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by houghi · · Score: 1

      I work in a company that has many branches all over the world. Each branch in a country is pretty much independent. We share a name and the shareholders are the same. Also most of the products are the same (but not all).

      Each has it own website and IT department and strategy and what not and operates completely on its own. Let us call "EXample". So who should get .example?

      Or must somebody (who?) build a separate website that only has a world map and let people select through a two step process what countries site they want?

      Not everybody who types in ford expects to go to ford.com. I am sure that you do not want to go to http://toyota.jp/ if you want information about the new Prius.

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    12. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by slackbheep · · Score: 1

      And what happens when they hit one of the many, many, many malware ridden placeholders or lapsed domains? If you know the URL already by all means, if not using Google is less stupid than your comment.

    13. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Do not type google into google. You could break the Internet!!!

    14. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      I do this often too, and it is not because I am a non-technical user. It is because I have found it much faster, because of the retarded things companies do.

      Often, going to a companies home page does nothing more than present you with some stupid full-screen flash ad/presentation - or ask you to pick a language, or other stupid things they should be able to auto-detect. You then have to figure out how to navigate past this and get to the actual content you are looking for, which is strewn about in a myrid of flash menus. Doing this on a Tablet or phone is very painful.

      Compare this to typing the company into Google. Not only is their site listed as the first result, instantly, but Google have done the nice job of breaking the site down into the *specific ccategories* already for you - so you can bypass all the flash ads and selection screen BS and get right to the meat of what you wanted to do in the first place.

    15. Re:Do TLDs and Urls actually matter to users? by JobyOne · · Score: 1

      I've seen people get to Facebook by typing in "google" in the address bar, clicking the first result (in the default Bing search), typing in "facebook," and clicking the first result. Seriously.

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  7. I don't know anything anymore... by spliffington · · Score: 1

    This seems like it could be really confusing for users being bounced around domains everytime they change pages. Then again the hip browsers are hiding the URL bar by default so wtf do I know anymore...

    How do you guys think this would work? What would brands use different domain names for if the extension is the brandname? Would it be for different geographic regions? different pages? different languages?

    1. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by sed+quid+in+infernos · · Score: 1

      Why does every comment here have a score of exactly two minutes after the article was posted? Is it standard practice to mod up your own comments here. FUCK THIS.

      Calm down. People who have been moderated up enough times in the past have +1 to their comments' scores as a Karma Bonus Modifier. You can change this for your profile, which would drop a bunch of the +2s you see down to +1.

    2. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      you cannot mod your own posts, you cannot even mod in a thread where you have posted, Its all in the settings you have set my friend.

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    3. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      Good boys start at 4. ;-)

    4. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Apparently precious few 'good' boys here.

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    5. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by psyclone · · Score: 1

      I think most "brand" owners that license ($185k + implementation) their own TLDs through this new ICANN process will simply redirect them to their established .com or .ccTLD that they already own.

      However, there is the *few* companies that could appreciate returns from a new TLD such as .ebay for all sellers to have their own domain, and .facebook (.fb) for their users to have domains instead of sub-domains or URLs (company.tld/user).

    6. Re:I don't know anything anymore... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Apparently precious few 'good' boys here."

      Here, meaning the thread or the site?

  8. That's a WONDERFUL idea by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now Apple Computers, Apple Corp, and assorted apple grower associations can all go to legal war with each over who has the most right to the one, the only, the singular ".apple" vanity TLD.

    Protip: Trademarks don't all share the same namespace, and only have to be unique within a general field of commercial endeavor.

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    1. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by Aeros · · Score: 1

      So we will be able to go to apple.apple now. Much nicer than apple.com

    2. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by eln · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just like they all live happily as subdomains of apple.com now, right?

    3. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 2

      rotten.apple?

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    4. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by rabtech · · Score: 3, Informative

      Since when has ICANN given a single thought to what is good for the internet, what makes sense, or what the users of the internet want? This is all about money... they intend to charge huge $$$ for your own TLD. I'm sure they will award themselves big fat bonuses for being so innovative.

      The problem is I can't think of anything better to replace ICANN; Giving the UN control over the internet is certain to be worse. Letting idiots with no idea how the internet works vote on its architecture is equally as awful. As soon as national governments get involved, you have their ridiculous petty disputes and nationalism injecting themselves into every issue (go read up on why MS had to disable the timezone map in Windows... India threatened to kick them out of the country because one or two pixels weren't properly highlighted due to conflicting claims over a certain region.)

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    5. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      If you disallow ICANN's ability to charge people for stupid things, or change the charter so the charges are very nominal, it would go a long way to prevent this sort of behavior. This really benefits ICANN and nobody else (OK, some lawyers, they don't count...)

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    6. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

      Reminds one of USENET..

      comp.sys.apple
      comp.sys.apple.ipad2
      alt.music.apple.beatles

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    7. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by Interoperable · · Score: 1, Funny

      Think we'll be able to go to Microsoft.apple?

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    8. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      And who pays for the .apple tld then?

      It would *technically* make more sense to have .comp and .music TLDs with the brand beneath them.

      Of course all of that is pretty much irrelevant for a *users* standpoint. There it could make more sense to split the "domain" system into a keyword system including brand / field / country / product for example, where keywords can be registered. Order basically doesn't matter, what each field MEANS matters.

      The only thing I see in this ICANN proposal here is a money grab my ICANN.

    9. Re:That's a WONDERFUL idea by mysidia · · Score: 1

      change the charter so the charges are very nominal, it would go a long way to prevent this sort of behavior

      Excellent. How do we get ICANN's charter changed? :-/

  9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Exactly - why?

    So now, Apple will have to have Apple.com and Apple.apple? Or store.apple?

    Or will 'apple.com' be able to be used by Joe's Orchard or some other no so rich mega corp that can't afford their own TLD?

    It's just a money making idea to keep the fees rolling in ....

  10. This is stupid by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Proliferating the TLDs with all the .com domain names is just plain asinine.

    Someone take these morons out back and have them shot, please.

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  11. Re:Why? by icebraining · · Score: 1

    So now, Apple will have to have Apple.com and Apple.apple? Or store.apple?

    All of them, obviously. Let the money flow.

  12. Special treatment for large companies by lavagolemking · · Score: 1

    This is just propping up the already large, uninnovative, and anti-competitive companies like Microsoft and Apple, while leaving smaller companies in the "dirt road" of domains. In the future, we can consumers to look for .BRAND, and blow off anybody with .com/.net/.org/whatever because they didn't pay the small price of $185,000. It's not like the market is unbalanced now or anything, so what could this hurt? Thank you, ICANN, for putting the big players first.

    1. Re:Special treatment for large companies by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm with you and all but, seriously, it's not like Google will stop working. So a company has a brand domain, bfd.

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  13. Registrar greed at its finest... by geekmux · · Score: 2

    This is just plain stupid...but then again, how many ideas birthed from pure greed aren't. I'll believe it's not an act of greed when they only charge $5/year to register these "uber-premium" names. Fat chance of THAT happening.

    And when they advertise it's "dangerous" for companies to NOT register ALL relevant TLDs related to their business? I can hear the registrar salesperson now..."What?!?, you mean you don't have yourcompany.com/.net/.org/.info/.biz/.me/.mobi/.us/.biz/(and now) .brandname!?! You MUST register ALL of these NOW or your brand will surely be ruined!"

    Yeah, good luck with SEO too...All their damn TLDs won't even fit on the first page of hits.

  14. Why? by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 1

    Other than shiny marketing-speak, what is the practical difference between something like computers.apple.com and computers.apple? I doubt anyone is going to use brandname.brandname URLs, so are we just waving goodbye to the first section of the domain?

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  15. Corporations and countries by pinkfalcon · · Score: 2

    Just one more step for Corporations to be considered Sovereign Entities. Soon they will be considered the same as a country.

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    1. Re:Corporations and countries by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Good. The we can cut off CEOs head.

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    2. Re:Corporations and countries by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Without the Shiawase Decision how are we going to be running around with Panther Assault Canons and more chrome than a Harley?

  16. Monetization of what should be neutral by improfane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The internet is damaged by commercial interests. I don't think I'm speaking from nostalgia about 'the good old days' but large commercial interests have only weakened the utility of the internet.

    The top level domains should be neutral. The internet is no longer neutral if every company can buy out the namespace.

    I envy biological scientists and ecologists with their highly organized binomial classification systems. They're neutral. They organize information how it should be organized.

    I reckon we have difficulty classifying and namespacing the internet is because we don't really know what it is. I guarantee that the information architecture will have at least one massive restructuring in our lifetimes. One day it will be called something different, like 'the link' or the 'exchange'. You know the 'omniscient' like information system that you see alien races mention in Star Trek.

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    1. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      I envy biological scientists and ecologists with their highly organized binomial classification systems. They're neutral. They organize information how it should be organized.

      That's why there should only be an "asshat" TLD with all of the brands going under that.

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    2. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by hondo77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The top level domains should be neutral.

      Why?

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    3. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Raenex · · Score: 1

      large commercial interests have only weakened the utility of the internet.

      Damn you Google for indexing the Internet and providing information at our fingertips! Damn you Amazon and other sellers for letting us comparison shop and buy things from the convenience of our homes! Damn you...etc.

      I was around in the "good old days". The Internet boom has been, overall, a huge net benefit. I was skeptical at the time when it was starting to become commercialized, but it turned out all right.

    4. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by improfane · · Score: 1

      Those are businesses that operate on the internet architecture, known as the web. There's a big difference between the web and internet.

      Who does most development on web browsers? The community. Think open developers, Chromium and Mozilla. Who makes the web more snazzy? Open source Javascript libraries maybe?

      Who invented the web? A citizen.

      Where was page rank invented? A university.

      Do you really think your couple of examples of commercial successes are really entirely a contribution of commerci effort? I'd say that most of the effort was by citizens and academics. I wonder if Amazon uses Perl? Maybe an open source database?

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    5. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Do you really think your couple of examples of commercial successes are really entirely a contribution of commerci effort?

      No strawmen, please. What I said was that, overall, the Internet has benefited enormously from commercial contributions. I didn't say they are entirely responsible for it.

      The idea that the Internet would have been better off if it had never been intertwined with commercial interests is ridiculous. I was around before the commercial boom, and it was cool, but it is more useful and better off now with commercial interests.

    6. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because DNS is hierarchical and to do otherwise would make the hierarchy meaningless.

    7. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because lawyers dont need anymore money.

    8. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because there is only one DNS root and control over that root is heavily contested as it is, with ICANN only delegating to registries. If ICANN makes the most attractive domain level subject to US rules exclusively, then there will be a DNS split.

      The hierarchical nature of DNS doesn't exist for semantic purposes: As others have pointed out, the semantic distinction between .com, .net, .org, etc. didn't even last until the web went mainstream. The reason for TLDs is that there can be many of them, so there can be many organizations, countries and companies which take their own approach to managing a namespace. There is only one root. If that root becomes important beyond the technical aspects, then many will question the legitimacy of ICANNs control over that root namespace.

    9. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why?

      Why not?

    10. Re:Monetization of what should be neutral by feepcreature · · Score: 1

      I think they should be acidic.

      basic, surely?

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  17. Re:Why? by gehrehmee · · Score: 1

    I would assume you'd just go to "apple". Hypothetically:

    nickuj@work:~$ host apple
    apple has address 17.149.160.49
    apple has address 17.172.224.47
    apple mail is handled by 10 mail-in14.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 20 mail-in2.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 20 mail-in6.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 100 mail-in3.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 10 mail-in11.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 10 mail-in12.apple.
    apple mail is handled by 10 mail-in13.apple.

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  18. i-cann-has-tld? by alphatel · · Score: 1

    ICANN only cares about profit. No surprises there. No matter how many governments and corporations write in to say this idea sucks, they still have complete autonomy and can assure themselves 10 years of awesome fees if they approve this. So it will be approved, without question.

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  19. corporate dystopia is here by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hmmmmm, until recently, only countries and groups got TLDs. Now, corporations have been elevated to the level of countries.

    Yet another sign that the dystopia is upon us.

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    1. Re:corporate dystopia is here by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Hmmmmm, until recently, only countries and groups got TLDs. Now, corporations have been elevated to the level of countries.

      Yeah, but on the bright side, I've got this great gig, working with the Ravens' Ark as an independent contractor...

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  20. Dear Internet by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 2

    Yes,we are aware you are one of many petitioning for .FU, but now you must convince us you are not violating the .FUBU trademark.

    Sincerely,

    ICANN

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  21. Last one out please turn off the lights by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 1

    This is stupid on so many levels. What's next? Religions and cults? Political parties? Hobbies?

    Man, who will be the registration authority? How will domains be impacted when/if companies are prohibited from doing business in some location?

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    1. Re:Last one out please turn off the lights by Caraig · · Score: 1

      SHHHH! You're going to give ICANN ideas!

      But all in all that's probably not a pro

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  22. Re:hostnames vs tlds by blueg3 · · Score: 1

    Quick: start a company called Localdomain and trademark the name.

    Once you get your new TLD, your website, of course, will be hosted on the machine "localhost".

  23. IPv6, first. by corychristison · · Score: 1

    We need IPv6 to be fully supported by everyone, first. More domains and sub-domains means more SSL certificates and exchange servers, etc. Which means more IP addresses.

    I know, I know, name based hosting and all that. Unfortunately large corps don't think that way, they think in terms of IP blocks. They will see this as a reason for more IP block thus diminishing the already relatively low number of IPv4 addresses.

    So in conclusion, focus on IPv6 first.

    My personal opinion on this is it's a stupid gimmick by ICANN to make more money although I do see the value in some very specific use cases. Although I think we might be shooting ourselves in the foot here.

  24. Too late? by MacTO · · Score: 1

    It seems like almost anyone can register almost any TLD, so I doubt that this would cause the current situation to deteriorate. However, most of the people who are online have been online for over a decade. It is going to be very hard to change people's habits.

    Besides, what is the merit of this? Even from a marketing perspective, most people identify "brand.com" as the address to a website so you can just plop that onto any piece of advertising. How would you identify an address in this new scheme? Add "http://" to the front? The people who don't have a clue would have to learn everything all over again. Or maybe "On the web at brand"? Do advertisers really want more verbiage to clutter their message?

    As for those in the know, we may care but it won't make a huge difference for us. It will cause problems at first as we have to adjust our habits and networks to account for the new reality, but life will go on.

  25. ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by GeorgeK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ICANN has really dropped the ball on new TLDs. Folks like Tim Berners-Lee were explicitly against new top level domains. The W3 even wrote a position paper New Top Level Domains Considered Harmful. They used the examples of .xxx and .mobi, but the reasoning applied to all new TLDs.

    ICANN hand-picked economists to examine the costs and benefits, and their own experts could not come up with anything close to definitive as to whether the benefits exceeded the costs. ICANN is supposed to act in the public interest, and only approve policies where the net benefit (i.e. benefits MINUS costs) are positive. ICANN doesn't even know the *sign* (i.e. positive or negative) of this policy change's impact, let alone know the magnitude. Their pathetic reports didn't even attempt to put a monetary figure on the costs vs. the benefits, i.e. are we talking about millions of dollars of benefits, billions, etc? However, many individuals and companies commented in each of the relevant comment periods pointing out how there would be grave consequences, as there would be huge costs associated with such a change. As is typical, ICANN ignored these concerns, attempting to win a war of attrition, to "tire out" opponents.

    Fortunately, the US Department of Commerce / NTIA may not renew its contract with ICANN. There is a pending Notice of Inquiry regarding the renewal. I would encourage people to send comments, to voice their concerns about the bad policymaking from ICANN.

    ICANN is also about to renew the .NET agreement with VeriSign despite numerous comments in opposition. VeriSign will be allowed to continue to raise prices by 10% per year, despite falling technology costs, and without facing a competitive tender process (which would certainly result in much lower prices for consumers). The US Department of Justice should investigate both ICANN and VeriSign for anti-trust violations, as consumers are being harmed by these no-bid contracts. Toll-free numbers costs less than $1.50 per year at the wholesale level, yet .com/net/org fees are above $7/yr, due to lack of regular competitive tender processes.

    Why has ICANN been consistently making decisions against the public interest? The reason is obvious -- it has been captured by the registries and registrars, who only care about selling more and more domain names, even if they are not needed (i.e. "defensive registrations"). They don't care about confusing users or making it harder to navigate the internet.

    1. Re:ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by Junta · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a large part of the argument was the problem of domain owners having to buy a whole new domain for every TLD issued. Example corp. had to get example.com, example.net, and example.org. Adding .mobi and .xxx 'forces' them to get example.xxx and example.mobi. The premise here is that in practice, the TLD became a meaningless thing, and adding another just causes another clone of the other TLDs. In this line of thinking, the TLD being deprecated for a single '.' TLD actually alleviates this syndrome. There is one wave of 'yet another clone', but perhaps resets the playing field so that future disciussions would no longer be needed.

      It would have been another thing if the TLDs *actually* had meaningfully kept things separate, but general usage of DNS system just didn't work out that way.

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    2. Re:ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by devent · · Score: 1

      What do you talking about, of course they done a costs and benefits analysis. For them the costs was 0 but the benefits are like 100 Billion $. That was a clear win.

      "Fortunately, the US Department of Commerce / NTIA may not renew its contract with ICANN."

      Maybe that's the reason why they killed the TLDs now, so they get one last big bonus in their bank accounts.

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    3. Re:ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by devent · · Score: 1

      So now a company not only have to register all permutations of their name + all the known TLDs but now permutations of their name * permutations of their name. Example corp. had to get example.com, example.net, and example.org. Adding .mobi and .xxx 'forces' them to get example.xxx and example.mobi. Adding this new BS from ICANN 'forces' them for example.example, and any modification of example.example.

      Old system: modifications(example) + [.com, .net, .org, .mobi, .xxx, ...]
      New system: modifications(example) + [.com, .net, .org, .mobi, .xxx, ...] + modifications(example)
      In which modifications(x) gets all possible but still readable modifications of the word x, like examplee, exxample, examplle, etc.

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    4. Re:ICANN did not weigh the costs vs. benefits by Junta · · Score: 1

      Once they secure '.example', they need take no other action to prevent others from doing anything underneath the domain. Admittedly, it's a bit too late for the old TLDs.

      We just never did figure out an effective usage of DNS hierarchy because unfortunately it's having to deal with human factors and humans perceive the internet by and large as flat, and no single hierarchy meaningfully ties every arbitrary thing together in a way that makes sense.

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  26. Pure Economics by nobodynoone · · Score: 2

    Doesn't seem to me that this is about the "internet" at all. Its about economics. For the ICANN. Say there are 10,000 international corporations who will pay to immortalize their brand name as a TLD. 10,000 corporations x $185,000 application fee per corporation = $1,850,000,000, or nearly 2 billion USD. Personally, I'd royally screw the internet for $2 billion. It appears ICANN would too.

  27. Now Internet == TV by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    I guess I can logout now.

    I haven't done so, since 1997

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  28. This could be FUN! by thedarb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear ICANN,

    I'd like to register my company domains, we are Local Domain, Inc. Our leading product is our LocalHost operating system. Please register to us:

    localdomain
    localhost.localdomain

    Thank you,
    Root User of Local Domain

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    1. Re:This could be FUN! by stderr_dk · · Score: 2

      My company is "#1" and I would like to register "1" as our TLD. Our nameservers will be located at 10.0.0.1, 127.0.0.1, 172.16.0.1 and 192.168.0.1.

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  29. marines.mill by Archwyrm · · Score: 1

    At last I can give my waterborne wheat grinding operation the online presence that it deserves! http://marines.mill/

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  30. Re:hostnames vs tlds by thedarb · · Score: 1

    Doh, had the same idea... just posted and now I see yours. Sorry.

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  31. If they can do this... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    doesn't it prove that TLDs are no longer a limitation? If the tech exists for arbitrary TLDs why do we even need TLDs (aside from the large cash pile ICANN has).

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  32. ICANN deserves to rot in .hell by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    ICANN appears to be well on its way to loosing legitimacy. A poster child for what happens when an organization tasked with helping the network is rotted out from the inside out by money.

    Fuck these retards. The only acceptable response should be for DNS, network operators and governments to take a stand and disallow queries to arbitrary TLDs. If these new TLDs can't actually be used they will have no value.

    1. Re:ICANN deserves to rot in .hell by DemonGenius · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm....

      www.bushshouldrotin.hell
      www.obamashouldrotin.hell
      www.sarahpalinshouldrotin.hell
      www.yourmomcanrotin.hell
      www.whatthe.hell
      www.thisworldis.hell
      www.satan.hell

      As funny as this seems, we might not want to see .hell on earth.

  33. Sounds like a phishers paradise... by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Although I suppose the startup costs will keep a lot of them away. Or have them fighting over abandoned TLD domains...

    Still, this seems like a 'clarification' that will only muddy the waters further for most people.

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  34. Re:Why? by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone else here old enough to remember the Great Renaming on Usenet? It was just before my time there, actually, but this sounds like the exact same thing... in reverse. They took a whole bunch of newsgroups which were turning into an unwieldy flat file (under the net.* prefix), and sorted them into a hierarchy with a small batch of broad top-level nodes: (comp.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.*) which could be further subdivided, etc. In the process net.comics became rec.arts.comics, and so on. What it built was a lot like the internet domain name hierarchy (but opposite-endian). It added structure and organization, which are Very Useful Things to have when dealing with Something Very Large. (Such as the Internet.) All this move by ICANN would do is to chop the last four characters off every .com in the database, and move that whole damn thing to the root level. If I can think of a business name that hasn't already been squatted, I can still register ____.COM for a few bucks, but I have to write up a proposal and take it to ICANN if I want to also claim .____? Bad policy, bad engineering, bad idea.

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  35. Re:Why? by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    I doubt anyone is going to use brandname.brandname URLs

    How about boing.boing and pizza.pizza?

    Heh, I can't wait to see how this messes up form input validation. "dave@hal really is my email address, goddammit!"

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  36. Re:Why? by creat3d · · Score: 2

    How about www.com.apple?

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  37. TLDs are almost worthless by Tetsujin · · Score: 2

    Proliferating the TLDs with all the .com domain names is just plain asinine.

    Someone take these morons out back and have them shot, please.

    As a counter-argument, I'd say that TLDs themselves (as they currently stand) are pretty worthless these days.

    Consider: If you have a site that's not on ".com", and there's another domain with the same name, except it's in ".com", there's a pretty good chance site visitors will screw up and go to the ".com" on instead. If the same name is in different TLDs and these domains are not run by the same organization, confusion is bound to result.

    So one solution would be to go to a fully flat namespace. Ditch TLDs. Do that, and any given name is going to be held by just one organization.

    That's pretty much what this change is. TLDs become the new domains, while domain names within traditional TLDs become somewhat devalued. There will be a new "land-grab" for the newly-available TLD space, but given the cost, not many will gobble up TLDs frivolously.

    If this catches on, there will be various benefits for those who can afford the premium exposure. "dot-com" will gradually become old-fashion and forgotten. The cost of domain-squatting a TLD will be significantly higher... And the difference between a high-budget site and a low-budget site (presently a matter of hosting quality, software quality, and organizational effort) would be reflected in the site's domain name, as well.

    Of course, I'm less pleased with what this change would mean for everybody else - anyone who can't drop $185k on a TLD. Small sites will become increasingly marginalized...

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    1. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by j_sp_r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Around here, almost every major site uses .nl (our country TLD). Why American companies that only trade in America use .com I don't understand.

    2. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      *Please insert rant about teh intarwebz being all merrkin and nothing more advanced than toilet paper ever being invented outside the US*

      Yes, I'm being an ass, but you know that without this comment the above would be true or at the very least some asshat would post a comment about /. being an american site and herp derp derp (as the /b/ crowd would put it).

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    3. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *Please insert rant about teh intarwebz being all merrkin

      Merkin only has one "r"

    4. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by TarpaKungs · · Score: 1

      Plenty of UK companies use .com too, despite .co.uk being well established for a long time.

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    5. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by Timmmm · · Score: 1

      They aren't worthless. If a site is under your country's TLD you have a good idea it will be based in your country (*very* useful for online shopping), and there's the fact that different TLDs are controlled by different countries and have different rules. (torrentz.com is now torrentz.eu for example, and bit.ly had some issues with linking to porn, or something like that.)

      I'll give you that .net is kind of pointless though. .org is pretty useful for distinguishing non-profits.

    6. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by argorg · · Score: 1

      I encourage you to purchase something like the three-penny black, or somewhat cheaper postage stamp from the same issuer, and carefuly look upon it for "England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland [or N. Ireland or Eire or also something about the tiny islands, etc]; UK; GB; etc." Having failed to discern these markings then wonder why that is. Apparently, having invented the postage stamp, Britain didn't feel it had to add the nationality thereupon. Similarly, the United States of America, having invented the internet, somehow forgot to impose on its system a requirement of 'us' meaning "we" the "US" who invented this on their thing. Later, other adopties considered what woud be benefical to their existence and things like "Xe.com.HiddenInArabianNaziLand" might be found through "Xe.com" "Blackwater.com" and etc., though only the first naming is definitive. Should an Iowan, in the USA, seek to create "Blackwater.com" wherein she or he provides data files on the foreigner Xe's wickedness, it is likely a *just* ICANN would grant said Iowan the address despite Xe's history prior. Oh, and ICANN and/or Slashdot submitter: marlboro.com?! Way to guarantee destruction of this idea by 10s of dozens of nation states.

    7. Re:TLDs are almost worthless by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      Which is funny, because it was supposed to be ".gb". But internationals are very sloppy with GB vs UK usage anyway, so the UK stuck.

      -l

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  38. Re:Why? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Other than shiny marketing-speak, what is the practical difference between something like computers.apple.com and computers.apple? I doubt anyone is going to use brandname.brandname URLs, so are we just waving goodbye to the first section of the domain?

    We're waving good-bye to the last part, too. If ".com" is the first TLD people think of when trying to figure out the domain name for a site - and if that expectation (that it's dot-com) is so ingrained that people get confused when it's anything else, then having that "dot-com" on there is worthless and only introduces confusion. So TLDs become the new (premium-price, anti-squatter) domain names for big organizations, and everyone who can't afford one must accept a domain under an ordinary, "old-fashion" TLD.

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  39. Re:ICANN finally sold out by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    Took them long enough

    Can't wait to see which spammer registers free.viagra

    A spammer with deep pockets and a very strong legal team?

    $185k to apply, and if the TLD you're applying for is trademarked, you have to show it's yours.

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  40. This also will change SPAM as we know it by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    When you buy a gTLD, you also are granted all rights for registration within that domain, you essentially become your own little mini-ICANN. Now domains will be registered with essentially zero accountability, that can do whatever they like whenever they like and be accountable to nobody. And once a domain is sold in a new gTLD and becomes a registrar for com/net/org, that registrar will also be above accountability themselves.

    At that point, it is game over, the spammers have won. There will be no way to shut down spamming or spamvertised domains. The spammers will be able to register new domains more quickly than we'll be able to detect them (blacklisting goes out the window at that point, too).

    But the ICANN guys will have made some nice one-time profits, and that is what they are there for anyways. At least they are happy, and that is the important part.

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  41. Who names the namers? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    Fortunately we live in a representative democracy, where I can write to my legislator and object to this action by the agency that governs the internet.

    But I'm trying to remember... which level of the government has authority over ICANN? I know it's isn't the state or provincial government, and it isn't the federal or national government.... Surely someone must have authority over them?

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  42. Protest Domains by MarkGriz · · Score: 2

    Great. Now we can have one stop shopping for protest domains.

    riaa.go.fuck.yourself
    sony.go.fuck.yourself
    mpaa.go.fuck.yourself

    Anybody got a spare 185k kicking around?

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  43. Sponsored by Go Daddy by brainzach · · Score: 2

    The only thing this will do is give Go Daddy another gimmicky TLD to upsell

  44. This is brilliant! by SEE · · Score: 2

    Now we can have:

    http://slashdot.slashdot/

    1. Re:This is brilliant! by Junta · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:This is brilliant! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      A (serious) question: will they be able to resolve to an IP address with just the TLD? e.g. http://hp/ ?

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  45. Re:Why? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about www.com.apple?

    Even better, the The American Society for Microbiology could change their URL to www.org.asm. I imagine that'd get them a few extra page hits.

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  46. Re:Why? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    I was thinking more like .Mac.

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  47. Hosts file by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

    And one more step on the way from DNS to /etc/hosts. Next they'll be complaining that a flat namespace has management and scaling issues.

  48. Re:Why? by rs79 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, I was there. This is where brian reid got pissed off at gene spafford so brian and jon gilmore created alt.*

    Speaking of alt, this also applied to dns...

    Ironically it was Eugene Kashpureff that came up with the .brandnam idea in 1997 and was universally reviled by the very poeple who are doing it now. Turns out it wasn't that it was a bad idea, it was just they they wern't making any money off it. Now they can.

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  49. Area Man constantly mentions doesn't use Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Area Man constantly mentions he doesn't use the Internet

    CHAPEL HILL, NC -- Area resident Jeremiah Cornelius does not use an ISP, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkersâ"as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

    "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than using the Internet," Cornelius told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted sign telling customers about free Wifi. "I don't even own a networked computer."

  50. bust it open already! by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

    this should have happened 15 years ago. it should be accessible to anyone, same as domain names. it should not be overtly expensive, say 200-500% more than a domain. now get to it, you dirty icann bastards.

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  51. You miss the point. by sconeu · · Score: 1

    Who gets to own (and run) the .delta TLD?

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    1. Re:You miss the point. by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      No one, we create a ".airline" and a ".plumbing" TLD.

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    2. Re:You miss the point. by markxz · · Score: 1
    3. Re:You miss the point. by lastchance_000 · · Score: 1
  52. Re:ICANN finally sold out by stderr_dk · · Score: 1

    Can't wait to see which spammer registers free.viagra

    A spammer with deep pockets and a very strong legal team?

    $185k to apply, and if the TLD you're applying for is trademarked, you have to show it's yours.

    "V1AGRA" is my trademark, you insensitive clod!

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  53. iCANN TLD by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

    Please put me down for the iCANN TLD.

    I intend to throw it open to the public, first-come, first-serve.

  54. Ah, namespaces -- How primitive. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    I'd like to register with the single Unicode codepoint TLD: U+0008

    URLs were never meant to be seen or entered by humans, and yet they are.

    "There needs to be a way to get to a server without manually looking up it's IP address in the 'Internet Phonebook' directory."
    Thus DNS was born. Now we can change the IP address without losing visitors.

    "There needs to be a way to find something on the web without having to remember the unique convoluted DNS entry, especially since you cant put a site description or keywords in the DNS records."
    Thus Web-Crawling Search Engines were born, along with page ranking algorithms depending on the keywords or meta data you search for.

    "There needs to be a way to get to a specific company, organization, business, band, or trademark website, but I can never remember if it's XXXX.com, XXXX.biz, XXXX.org, XXXX.info -- These TLD's are useless! Besides, phishers can own the other TLD, so making a mistake eg: paypal.biz, or a typo eg: pyapal.com is dangerous. TLD domain owners have to register with multiple TLDs for each misspelling just to prevent people from entering the wrong URL!"
    Thus, security experts advise: don't enter the URL. Use a reputable search engine

    Type paypal.com into the search box of your web browser. If you make a typo, it will be corrected by your selected search engine. The search engine will also alert you if you click on a dangerous site, and helps to weed out pages that are not relevant. (Oh, some of you thought those people doing that were just morons -- See how foolish your arrogance and ignorance makes your judgments...)

    Some browser makers get this, and are creating a combination search / URL bar -- there are privacy issues here though, since you do not want the web browser informing a search service of everywhere you go online (but, they do have other ways of mining this very information).

    Hint: The solution isn't more TLDs.
    You're just moving the typo problem into the TLD field instead of the defacto standard xxxxx.com field. Sure, requiring a large cost to run a TLD will prevent a lot of malicious uses. However, web services will still be registering multiple .com et al. domains (for reasons mentioned above).

    In any event this won't change the fact we're beyond IP addresses and beyond DNS as a way to identify a web page. Typing $companyName into a search box will return the correct page URL along with short descriptions to help you differentiate ambiguous URLs/sites, whereas trying to remember the TLD of a given company is fraught with peril.

    "If only there was a registry of valid company names for a given region or even internationally, which also respected trademarks so that two companies don't step on each other -- Thus allowing customers to identify with a brand name, and trust that the establishment under the company name is the same as the other establishments wearing the same name."
    Thus Doing Business As (DBA) registrations, Assumed Business Names registries, and trademark offices were born (far earlier than the Web or the Internet, I might add...)

    Now -- It would be nice to enter Motorola or Fisher Price, or Johnson & Johnson, and not have to guess how these names map into a URL.
    motorola.biz? motorola.com? go-moto.info? motorola.mobile?
    fisherprice.com? fisher-price.com? fp.com? fisherprice.toys?
    johnsonandjohnson.com? jnj.com? johnson-johnson.com? johnson-and-johnson.health?
    Hint: It's the second domain in each list...

    The answer is to provide a way to search the Fictitious or Doing Business As name databases -- I know this is possible, because Several of my chosen company names were rejected instantly when my county clerk asked for my assumed business name (She had a search tool!!!)

    The way forward would be to integrate these Assumed Company Name databases into our search engines, and allow a Domain to Company Name registration, similar to our Server IP Address to Company Name syst

  55. Re:Why? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    "Speaking of alt, this also applied to dns..."

    If you're suggesting that that be done in response to this .nonsense, it's a far different net than it was back then. Wouldn't work.

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  56. Complete Chaos by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    So now the 'net' will be no better than a deck of cards, tossed from the window of a moving car.

    All in the name of the mighty buck.

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  57. because ".com" took up so much space by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    products.coke.com would have been so much more complicated than products.coke is that it? Oh wait, it'd have been the same.

    So does this mean that coke.com will go back into the pool? Because they won't need it anymore?

    Hey, anyone remember when the TLD actually had a meaning and a purpose and some thought behind it?

    Anyone but me waiting for TLDs that would make sense? Like Inc., and Ltd. and .corp? You know, for the same reason they exist on paper?

  58. Re:Why? by stoborrobots · · Score: 1

    All this move by ICANN would do is to chop the last four characters off every .com in the database, and move that whole damn thing to the root level. [...snip...] Bad policy, bad engineering, bad idea.

    Yeah... Although a variation on it is a good idea: de-emphasize the .com TLD.

    The arguments why the suggestion in TFA is bad were outlined a decade ago by Brad Templeton in his essays "Problems, Goals and a Fix for Domain Names". His proposed fix (allow [almost] anyone to create a TLD, but you can't get one solely for your own business) prevents the problems of vanity TLDs while removing the problems of trademark squatting/fighting in .com...

  59. Pournelle's Iron Law by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    Why? Pournelles Iron Law:

    "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representative who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."

    The bureaucrats are building their empires, and no longer care about ICANN's official mission.

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  60. Re:TLDs themselves are antiquated by HJED · · Score: 1

    so what will happen when someone registers .local, .ubuntu, .users-pc or .home?
    Can't wait for the sudden failure of local networks due to naming conflicts.

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  61. Net neutrality? by MastaBaba · · Score: 1

    Won't this also open the way to a tiered internet?

  62. Agreed. The naming system should be flat. by master_p · · Score: 1

    The document you posted (new top level domains considered harmful) argues more about why TLDs are harmful than why new TLDs are harmful.

    TLDs should have not existed in the first place. All that it was required is a unique name per IP, in a flat database. The rest is pure unnecessary bureaucracy.

  63. Re:Why? by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2

    Even better, the The American Society for Microbiology could change their URL to www.org.asm. I imagine that'd get them a few extra page hits.

    *facepalm*

    My first though was "You mis-spelled 'organism'".

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  64. simple, really by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    What would brands use different domain names for if the extension is the brandname? Would it be for different geographic regions? different pages? different languages?

    None of the above. The new gTLDs will be used mostly by spammers to get around the pesky registration work that they have to do currently for their domains. No longer will they have to find an unscrupulous registrar in a developing country to buy domains from for their spamvertised web site, now they can just buy their own gTLD for one lump sum and do all their own registration at no additional cost.

    Big companies will buy gTLDs just to protect them, spammers will buy them to make our lives miserable. And before you say "I can just blacklist them", recognize that they will do this to register the spamvertised site, which is of course not the domain that the spam itself came from.

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  65. ICANN missed the boat by XCondE · · Score: 1

    ICANN have been regurgitating this gTLD rubbish for years, trying all different angles to attract interest. So far it has been an epic fail. It must be hard for them to see big companies shelling out measly $30/year for their TLD.

  66. Lets introduce First Name TLD's next by liledevil · · Score: 1

    I think this is a very good move, in order of commerce this is just great mass-individualisation. Now the techies at ICANN are playing the same trick those commercial dudes have been playing on all of us the last 10yrs. I just say let start introducing first name TLD's soon. The.Marvelous.Mighty.Marcel sounds like a great homepage to me :-) *puts sarcasm sign up for a second* I mean, we can not do that, but then it's just a matter of waiting till the first folks are gonna register their firstname as a trademark and via that way register the TLD. Chaos is upon us, I really think so. Tho I think registering the .sex TLD and .porn TLD will be very profitable for those that can afford the startup costs for that right now. I honestly think we should start some online petition against this.

    1. Re:Lets introduce First Name TLD's next by MadMaverick9 · · Score: 1

      Chaos is upon us

      it already is ...
      ICANN approves expansion of Internet domain names

      ICANN will receive applications for new domain names - the fee is $185,000 and the form is 360 pages

      360 pages for an application form? for crying out loud ...

  67. Re:Why? by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

    Yep. I remember Karl Auerbach supporting this and doing some testing of BIND to see if it could handle all the TLDs.

    Personally, I support the proposal because dot-com is far too generic to have any meaning anymore. People are used to running words together rather than having to have them separated by space, dots, etc. I don't see it as a big deal and I think it's kind of cool.

    $0.02USD,
    -l

    /living in the dot-info ghetto

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  68. A better proposal by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    So it sounds like only trademark owners can purchase a TLD. That seems like the exact mirror opposite of how it should work. Instead of making the purchaser prove that they own the trademark in order to get a TLD, they should prove that they are completely unaffiliated with any of the trademark owners. That basically solves all the problems people are bringing up.

    For example: who gets .Apple? Apple music? Apple computers? Apple growers? Apple aficionados? How about none of them get it. Better: You can't register any TLD that has a trademark on it.

    So instead you could have apple.com, apple.computers, apple.music, apple.growers, apple.eaters. That preserves the hierarchical nature of TLDs.