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Boeing's Enormous Navy Laser Cannon
An anonymous reader writes "Boeing is working to build a huge, incredibly powerful, soon-to-be-seafaring laser for the US Navy. This free electron laser can produce light of any wavelength (ie, color) directly from an electron beam, and gets an energy boost from a superconducting particle accelerator. Once it's onboard ships, the laser could be used to shoot down cruise missiles and artillery shells."
Does it make "pew pew pew" noises?
Imagine the size of those sharks required for such huge laser weapons.
will become the ultimate defence weapon.
And I'm sure the human race will find many unthinkable ways to use it on each other, animals and the landscape of the Earth.
Interesting times.
Indeed.
Why not, say, Forest Green, or Taupe?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/power-down-senate-zaps-navys-superlaser-railgun/
The Senate just drove a stake into the Navy’s high-tech heart. The directed energy and electromagnetic weapons intended to protect the surface ships of the future? Terminated.
The Free Electron Laser and the Electromagnetic Rail Gun are experimental weapons that the Navy hope will one day burn missiles careening toward their ships out of the sky and fire bullets at hypersonic speeds at targets thousands of miles away. Neither will be ready until at least the 2020s, the Navy estimates. But the Senate Armed Services Committee has a better delivery date in mind: never.
The committee approved its version of the fiscal 2012 defense authorization bill on Friday, priced to move at $664.5 billion, some $6.4 billion less than what the Obama administration wanted. The bill “terminates” the Free Electron Laser and the rail gun, a summary released by the committee gleefully reports.
“The determination was that the Free Electron Laser has the highest technical risk in terms of being ultimately able to field on a ship, so we thought the Navy could better concentrate on other laser programs,” explains Rick DeBobes, the chief of staff for the committee. “With the Electromagnetic Rail Gun, the committee felt the technical challenges to developing and fielding the weapon would be daunting, particularly [related to] the power required and the barrel of the gun having limited life.”
If you look closely at the upper left in the 10th photo in the linked article, the one of the control room:
Is that a nixie tube display in the top slot of the third rack from the right?
Could you bounce the beam off a satellite and back down to earth targets? Or to air and space targets that are over the horizon? Could you do it with something flying lower, like a mirror mounted on a aircraft?
Tbh, lasers like this are incredibly impractical for anything other than missile defense. For attacking, there are a million better ways. Such as missiles!
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Geeks are so full of shit that "beating the crap out of them" takes a whole new meaning.
But can it do something useful for business, like burn corporate logos into the surface of the moon?
As for patrolling borders, it might be viable as a game. Add web interfaces to the cameras and lasers and people would PAY to patrol the borders.
Making conflict of any kind profitable is a slippery slope. Next thing you know we'd have politicians advocating slavery, even sex slaves.
That isn't possible, is it???
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/men-should-have-sex-slaves-says-female-kuwaiti-politician
I'm pretty sure technology has advanced to the point that aiming is no longer an issue.
Hey! We haven't quite manged to piss off the whole rest of the world yet.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
An offensive use of space based focused solar energy or powerful earth based lasers could also be to cause chaos in an enemy country by starting fires in cities and drought affected regions.
The owner of a boat, or ship, or personal watercraft, or life vest, can call it whatever the owner wants. The crew can call it whatever they want. Landlubbers can call it whatever they want.
Fuckin' free speech, how does that work?
Infuriate left and right
Fire rapidly is key here. Time to first shot is pretty important, but time to second shot is even more important.
Too often in the prior generations of this device the time to subsequent shots was way too long. Because nobody attacks with only ONE anti-ship missile, and even gunnery sends more rounds down range than can be hit with a slow resetting laser. The power needed for this is enormous, it needs to be instantaneous and repeatable for long periods of time, especially if you intend to make good on your promise of shooting down artillery shells.
With a dispersed battery of HAND LOADED field artillery you can send down range on average 1.5 rounds per minute per gun or better. With 5 to 8 pieces to contend with, you better be prepared to absorb some hits while you skedaddle out of range.
Luckily, no navy has gun boats like those in the past:
From James Grace's "The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal", the Helena is described during its initial firing that night.
"Officially the Helena's fifteen six-inch guns fired at a rate of ten rounds per minute at rapid continuous fire, but the ship had reached seventeen. To Lieutenant Luehman, the shooting resembled fifteen fireflies converging on the same spot, or fifteen streams of liquid fire."
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Erm. Both your claims cannot have been made by anyone who has had any real contact with ship based weapons. First, in measure of rapid fire, kinetic guns absolutely destroy everything else. One of the main advantages of the anti air gatling CIWS is that it puts up a wall of small projectiles, which can be tracked by radar, which can auto-correct direction of the stream based on target's relative location to the stream. Which can then retarget near-instantly as kinetic gun turret is also light.
Energy is another huge problem on modern ships. Zumwalt-class was long considered for a nuke to power it because gas-turbines are simple not powerful enough to feed a modern AEGIS destroyer/cruiser anymore. Modern fire control radar going on full power trying to burn through interference generated by the target consumes several tens of percent of total ship power output nowadays - this is something you can find on navy's own website (.mil), sourced to their generals. I linked one such source when this topic came on slashdot before. Energy is in EXTREMELY short supply on a non-nuclear powered ship in a combat situation.
And sure, laser can fire for long distance in many conditions. It just won't hit anything meaningful in heavy rain or fog, or even if it does, it will cause minor burns to biological unshielded targets at worst. Good thing it never rains and is never foggy above large masses or water. Even better that there are never large temperature changes over the ocean surfaces causing various optical distortions. Nosiree!
It's difficult to make a reflective coating that reflects well enough at a broad range of frequencies. The mirrors in the laser usually only work that well at one frequency, and they have cooling systems built into them. They also aren't moving, don't have weight limitations and don't have to deal with weathering and dirt.
It's also hard to make a reflective coating that reflects well enough in all directions that the laser can hit from. Your missile has to be able to home in some way. If you have IR windows for a seeker, that's an area that isn't very reflective.
You just have to get a tiny area burnt through and then the energy from the laser will heat what's behind it so much that it'll blow the rest of the coating off or mechanically disrupt whatever the coating is on.
It can help. A little. And it adds weight and problems to the missile. It's been looked at for some time and found not to be a cure all by any means. It sounds like a good idea, but turns out to not be terribly practical.
Same for the old idea of spinning an incoming missile to distribute the energy. That one is about like pirouetting in front of a shotgun. The energy comes in way faster than a mechanical movement.
Increment weather? I prefer to write that weather++ myself.
Yes, I'm glad that defence contractors and the military are still pumping tons of money and research into these ridiculously expensive, fragile, and unwieldy toys while American families are increasingly going homeless and dying from third-world diseases because they can't get healthcare.
While a rail gun has physical limits on the barrel, the lasers do not. The issue as you say, is the amount of energy INSTANTLY and prolonged available to it. For example, if a 5 second shot drains all energy and it will take 5 minutes to come back up, well, this would be worthless. OTH, if you have multiple ultra-caps capable of being charged and can take multiple shots while these are charging with say 1 second downtime, then you are in pretty good shape.
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Part of the reason why I support this is that it will require the ships to have loads of ultra-caps. That will mean that they will buy LOADS of them and drive the tech. In doing that, it will lower the prices for cars. Basically, I see this as a win-win all around.
Oddly, I have been writing my congress man pushing for us to do x-prizes for beaming and storing energy. The idea is that we can beam it into Afghanistan (or other bases), but also can help a ship that is in a prolonged battle. In fact, one idea would be to have an Aircraft Carrier able to beam energy to nearby destroyers so that they can quickly fire. Win-win-destroy all around
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I'm sorry, but Sim City has caused me to harbor an irrational fear of "beaming" energy.
An old-school rail-fed guided missile cruiser can launch around 5 missiles per second until the magazine runs dry (you can find videos of Chinese missile cruisers showing off). The modern vertical-launch missiles are presumably faster. The Navy builds missile defense plans around groups of such cruisers launching in parallel, which is why the Aegis system needs to be able too track hundreds of targets and so on. As you point out, this is a tall order for any electrically powered device to be used for missile defense: as much power as these lasers must use, just preventing the power busbars from melting would be impressive.
Currently we seem to like using missiles to shoot down missiles. That makes sense to me: we ought to be able to launch in defense at least as fast as in offense (the defensive missiles are about 1/4 the footprint as the offensive).
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Generally, battles are started during increment weather. The reason is to make it harder for an enemy to know what you are up to.
I hear there are also these things called infrared imaging devices. It's been a LONG time since darkness, fog, and smoke were any hindrance to a properly equipped force. Pearl Harbor? Fine weather. The Invasion of Europe? They sweated out one day of foul weather in order to get to the next day of reasonably good weather so they could launch it. And so on.
Perhaps in the time of Napoleon or the Civil War skulking around in fog could give a significant advantage.
This isn't primary defense (at least not in the Navy's eyes) it's point defense for whatever makes it through the rest of the fleet defense curtain. It's to make sure a rogue Exocet or two doesn't take out your multibillion dollar one of eleven carrier.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
Different atmospheric conditions will affect different frequency light in different ways. Certain frequencies might cause cause excessive dispersion or thermal blooming, while other frequencies will operate in a window of relatively little interference. While a traditional laser would perform just as well as an FEL were it in the proper window, the fact that the FEL is tunable means you can hit that window regardless of the conditions.
Well, it's their own fault. If they just worked harder and got a job with a defense contractor, they'd have excellent healthcare !