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Best Buy Releases Their Own Music Cloud

thewebblogger writes "In a move that more resembles 'me too' behavior rather than a well planned release, Best Buy has announced their own music cloud service, called simply Best Buy Music Cloud. The functionality is not complete yet; iOS / Android applications are not available at this point, and the only part that works is the Web Player. The premium version will cost $3.99/month and you'll have to upload your own music. iTunes is mandatory."

187 comments

  1. But...I already have my own music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What is the fucking point?

    1. Re:But...I already have my own music by hsjserver · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes but for only $3.99 a month they could own your music!

    2. Re:But...I already have my own music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but I already have iPhone (latest model) and Mac (i7, latest as of 1mo. ago ) and all my CDs stored in iTunes and iPhone.
      WHY would I need this? ... oh... to use another device to listen MY paid music with a fee? really?
      I just plug earphones to my iPhone or Mac and listen MY music WITHOUT paying any extra (and not using up my intarwebs quota)

      Thanks, but I'm NOT interested ... ...but ... check with that lady looking new computers over there...dude...not here ... over there with 2 teenagers, they may buy your non-service...

    3. Re:But...I already have my own music by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      You would not need this.

      You have only one ass, you have sold it to Apple and it now sits on a big shelf in Steve Jobs' office.

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  2. Best Buy + iTunes? by DogDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow. That's like a shit sandwich. The worst retailer with the worst music software. Where do I sign up?

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    1. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Same place you register to vote, I'd guess.

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    2. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 2

      apart from not recognizing non-ipods (but a third-party utility adds MSC support), itunes is the best music software i've ever used. it absolutely kills rhythmbox, banshee and amarok, sad to say. i base this on not crashing; fast search/limiting and playlist creation; actually editing track information on the mp3 and not storing it in a parallel database in a ~/.directory (rhythmbox); and not requiring fucking SQL (amarok).

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    3. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by DeadlyMind · · Score: 2

      Media Monkey is so much better. Fuck iTunes.

    4. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow. That's like a shit sandwich. The worst retailer with the worst music software. Where do I sign up?

      Where else? At the Geek Squad counter, where a wide variety of mouth-watering shit sandwiches can be had for a nominal fee.

    5. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Anything other than iTunes beats iTunes. It's a proprietary piece of crap that doesn't work with anything I use.

    6. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by McNihil · · Score: 1

      Having gone from Rhythmbox to iTunes earlier this year I can wholeheartedly say that iTunes sucks donkey rocks in comparison. For instance, Where the hell is a simple play queue? Nothing more severe than ad-hoc play queue... no temporary playlists please. There are more small grating and annoying things... oh yeah not being able to fully read the id3 tags and it ends up selecting the one that is botched and not the full and correct one like Rhythmbox.

      Sure I am speaking from a POV where I most likely will not buy new music because I have plenty of good music to listen to already and have no time to spend finding something that is AAA across the board so that it doesn't waste my time.

      BTW: iTunes does use a form of SQL'sh datastore but it is stored in XML format... there are even perl scripts for it. And really why should we care how it stores its data?

    7. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Does the use of SQL(by default, transparently handled by a built-in SQLite implementation, optionally usable against a separate SQL backend for higher performance or multiple-computer-access setups) really bother you that much? More to the point, how is that different from iTunes' metadata storage, except for the whole "being comparatively standard" and "being optionally compatible with more powerful backend databases" stuff?

    8. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by furgle · · Score: 1

      I've never had problems playing anything in itunes and I run it on Windows. I don't particularly like itunes, but I don't hate it. I'm entrenched into using itunes more or less because that is what I thought I needed for audio books. 2 years later it seems to me far to much effort to change to something else. My only real complaint with itunes is the one download policy- buy music and you only have one chance to download it. - that seems the worst of it though. I have read a fair bit of comments saying that itunes is crap. But to me its much like windows vista, yes it has some annoying features, but with some configuring they are all but gone, and with some time you end up used to how it performs.

    9. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's a truly brilliant plan. Only the people who contribute can vote, and, ideally, let's make the people whose votes we don't like unable to contribute. Or perhaps let's simply define `contributing' in such a way that they can't be doing so. Then... Hey, then we get to the pre-Civil Rights Act, pre-women's sufferage country we all knew and loved!

      As a bonus, since they can't vote, they can't really change things so they *can* contribute! Perfect!

      Oh wait, no, there's a reason we don't do shit like that. With the exception of ex-convicts, with whom we SHOULDN'T do shit like that.

    10. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Aye. MediaMonkey rocks. I just wish it was available for the Mac. It runs under Wine, but it's not very happy doing so.

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    11. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      I don't know if we're using different versions or what, because I have the exact opposite experience with "not crashing" and "fast search". I don't suppose you're using it on a Mac?

    12. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not really a problem anymore with iCloud support, except with TV shows/movies.

    13. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      Same place you register to vote, I'd guess.

      But I don't want the shit sandwich that Best Buy is offering. I'd prefer a giant douche.

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    14. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I do use iTunes because I have an iPhone... but I'd hate it a lot less if it would stop overwriting all of my media file associations even after I click everything possible in the installer to tell it not to...

    15. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a truly brilliant plan. Only the people who contribute can vote, and, ideally, let's make the people whose votes we don't like unable to contribute. Or perhaps let's simply define `contributing' in such a way that they can't be doing so. Then... Hey, then we get to the pre-Civil Rights Act, pre-women's sufferage country we all knew and loved!

      As a bonus, since they can't vote, they can't really change things so they *can* contribute! Perfect!

      Oh wait, no, there's a reason we don't do shit like that. With the exception of ex-convicts, with whom we SHOULDN'T do shit like that.

      So basically your point can be re-phrased as: "everything we are doing now is great and has no disadvantages, everything that the law says is always true and always reflects the highest good and absolutely is not designed to achieve a selfish end, and you should never ever question the status quo."

      Nice try but somehow I'm not convinced.

    16. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by geminidomino · · Score: 2

      I'd prefer a giant douche.

      My friend, allow me to introduce you to iCloud.

    17. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Yea, itunes is OK... when its not locking up and crashing and generally acting like playing music is a difficult task.

    18. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      everything stores data somehow. i just think mySQL is a heavy dependency for a freaking music player.

      it looks like our desiderata in music players are orthogonal, fair enough. if you haven't tried it, though, i suggest banshee. it seemed to me to be rhythmbox "done right".

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    19. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      in my experience, it pulled in mySQL as a dependency. this link seems to suggest that they took out the built-in SQLite (which would have been fine by me): http://amarok.kde.org/blog/archives/812-MySQL-in-Amarok-2-The-Reality.html

      i can see how amarok's power could be useful if you have audio on network shares or something. i don't and amarok was slow, buggy and ugly to me. i chalked this up to mySQL, maybe i was wrong.

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    20. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      >For instance, Where the hell is a simple play queue? Nothing more severe than ad-hoc play queue... no temporary playlists please.

      My gods, try using the software for more than five minutes before criticizing it. It's under iTunes DJ.

      I haven't run into the other issues you had, but simply HAD to advise you on this one because it's so obvious you didn't poke around the software very much!

    21. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, the latest pre-thunderbolt MBP (Snow Leopard).

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    22. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by furgle · · Score: 1

      I'd like it a lot better if after every update I didn't have to replace all of its shortcuts. Frankly I find that just confusing.

    23. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand it, iTunes uses SQLite internally. The XML file that's on disk is just there as a means for third parties to read a subset of what iTunes has on disk.

    24. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      hmm, you may be right. okay, i take back the SQL thing, but something made amarok really slow and buggy when it came to keeping track of my music (all of which was just in ~/Music!)... i just chalked it up to SQL since it seemed so strange to me.

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    25. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer a giant douche.

      My friend, allow me to introduce you to iCloud.

      The iCloud has water AND vinegar rain!

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    26. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by darrylo · · Score: 1

      I don't know if this is a fluke, but my old shortcut continued to work after upgrading to the latest (windows) iTunes (well, the icon was missing/defaulted, but double-clicking on the old shortcut started iTunes). I was pleasantly surprised.

    27. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      aye but the flowers are pretty in that garden are they not?

    28. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2

      If you are using iTunes on anything other than OS-X, it sucks. First off, it is slower than crap, the store barely works (why does it take longer to "process" a media file than it does to download it online) and is generally a pain to work with.

      On Windows FooBar2000 kicks the crap out of iTunes. On Linux, both rhythmbox and amarok work just fine for me and VLC is king for playing single files.

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    29. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iTunes cannot handle large (10,000+ track) music libraries.

    30. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      having no problem yet with 10694 tracks.

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    31. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      I don't know how the hell you got modded insightful. I've never had any issue with Best Buy and I never had any problem with iTunes either at home on Snow Leopard or on Windows 7 at work. Maybe you have a shitty PC with not enough RAM and too much bloatware running in the background.

      Do you obsessively look at how much ram a program uses? I judge programs based on more than one criteria and as long as the software is responsive then it is not using too many resources.

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    32. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Then why in bloody hell can't I drag and drop music from iTunes to my iPhone? I though apple was all about drag and drop.

    33. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2

      iTunes is totally unintuitive, trying to work out how to do selective sync-ing and how to backup & restore settings is a nightmare. Plus it automatically restricts how many PCs you can install it on.

      I can't comment on Amarok but Banshee kills it stone dead - I can install it on what machines I like, backing up the settings and database is straightforward, plus copying music over to devices (which can be converted on the fly from, say, FLAC to MP3) is a doddle.

      My missus gave me her iPod Touch when she went to iPhone, I use an Android phone for music but use the Touch mostly for audio books. MediaMonkey blows iTunes totally out of the water for sync-ing the Touch.

      I suggest you actually try them before commenting.

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    34. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, and here's a BIG PROBLEM I have with iTunes - namely I wish it would LEAVE THE TAGGING IN MY MUSIC ALONE!!!!

      I rip my own CDs, I do my own tagging - Banshee and MediaMonkey do not touch the tags unless I specifically use them to change stuff like artist or track name.

      But iTunes writes all sorts of shit in there to the point where I gave my missus a local copy of my music drive because she uses iTunes and an iPhone.

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    35. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Agreed on both counts.

      Banshee on Linux rocks but MediaMonkey is by far the best all-round music management programs I've used and is one of the good reasons for still keeping a copy of Windows XP around.

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    36. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Banshee uses SQLite, not MySQL.

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    37. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      Umpf. The best music software is MPD + ncmpcpp. It supports everything you said, it has support for multiple audio outputs (including network streaming) that you can toggle with a couple of keypresses and it's easily scriptable.

    38. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by icebraining · · Score: 1

      too much bloatware running in the background.

      Like iTunes?

      My mother uses iTunes (on Windows 7) because of her iPod, and it regularly blocks the UI while converting and transferring files, it's pathetic. And no, it wasn't swapping.

      For Windows, Foobar2000 is the only decent music player I've used.

    39. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by macs4all · · Score: 1

      having no problem yet with 10694 tracks.

      Nor I with 10559 tracks. Searches (filters) are still lightning fast. No stability or other issues.

    40. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Interesting. My experience was with the KDE3-era original, which just silently used SQLite for metadata, unless you dug into the "you really don't need to touch this; but I know that you guys are into that kind of thing" menu. Apparently they've dropped that and gone with an embedded MySQL instance of some sort since then...

      Frankly, while a lot of KDE4 is architecturally pretty cool, the first few 4.Xs, and the associated applications, were not improvements compared to the mature(if sometimes 'mature as in now contains all the needed ugly hacks') late 3.X ones...

    41. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Plus it automatically restricts how many PCs you can install it on.

      Wrong. There's a restriction of 5 PC's you can play your iTunes-bought DRM'ed media on, mostly a moot point these days since DRM was dropped from music on iTunes in 2009.

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    42. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see. So you're going with asshole then?

    43. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't have to poke around to find your play queue. It should be the first thing you see.

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    44. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Amarok 2, that's your problem. Amarok has been a steaming pile since 1.4.

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    45. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by cbackas · · Score: 1

      Just thought I'd try to be helpful and point this out if you missed it. The one-download policy is gone as part of the whole iCloud thing. You can download any song you've ever purchased from iTunes as many times as you like now, on any authorized device/computer. (Excluding any that have been delisted for whatever reason)

      In iTunes itself, you click on the "Purchased" link in the pane on the right of the main iTunes Store 'page'.

    46. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I like iTunes as well, and yes, it runs like a dog on Windows (but really quite nicely on OS X. Probably because Windows doesn't really like having to host a mini-version of OS X for all the Apple stuff which just bloats everything up).

      The irony is the OP likes iTunes, yet objects to SQL. iTunes library files are .itl files which are SQLite databases. iTunes maintains XML files for both backup and compatibility purposes (if the ITL file is missing, iTunes will rebuild from the XML, but otherwise the XML is for programs to parse).

      Apple won't admit it, but you can bet they're using CoreData to handle the back end data storage. CoreData can use a variety of means to store data, including a built-in SQLite engine..

    47. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      too much bloatware running in the background.

      Like iTunes?

      My mother uses iTunes (on Windows 7) because of her iPod, and it regularly blocks the UI while converting and transferring files, it's pathetic. And no, it wasn't swapping.

      For Windows, Foobar2000 is the only decent music player I've used.

      iTunes might take more ram than your favourite program Foobar2000 but then again iTunes is a cross platform application so it has to load some additional libraries on windows to compensate whereas Foobar2000 (what kind of idiotic nerd name is that?) is a windows only native application that probably does a lot less.

      Firefox is also a cross platform application and it seems to take up more memory on every platform it runs on that what one would expect but that probably again has to do with the cross platform nature of.

      I just took a look at "Foobar2000" and it is looks like a windows 2000 application. The UI is worse than some of the linux players mentioned on here. It uses a lot less memory because it does almost nothing out of the box except being a basic "music" only player.

      So maybe what you are really complaining about is the broken VM management system in the windows kernel were you actually have to care how much memory a program is using. If you have 2 GB or more of memory and lots of space on your HD for swap, you should not care unless if there was a memory leak. Unix OSes like OS X and unix-like OSes like Linux do not seem to have any issues with running applications that use a lot of VM.

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    48. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      itunes is the best music software i've ever used.

      Even if you'd only ever used itunes music software, this couldn't be true.

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    49. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't particularly like itunes, but I don't hate it.

      Why not? What's the matter with you?

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    50. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      From what I remember, it restricts one Apple device (iPod Touch, iPhone) to five PCs that it can connect to.

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    51. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by intheshelter · · Score: 1

      Nor I with 20,000+ tracks.

    52. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i used banshee and rhythmbox for years. banshee was pretty good. it's definitely what i would pick if i were on linux again.

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    53. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      haven't noticed itunes writing anything in my tags. what is it changing exactly?

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    54. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by McNihil · · Score: 1

      When I first looked at iTunesDJ it contained a lot of stuff that I explicitly didn't want and had no time to investigate... remote stuff and all that. Now that I have looked deeper per your advice and turned off basically ALL functionality it works almost as the Rhythmbox queue (it doesn't continue previous playlist when DJ is finished) ... however this functionality shouldn't have been this convoluted to get to... sure I need only do this once so its not a biggie. Ok so rather than sucking donkey rocks iTunes just plain sucks donkey now. Thanks!

    55. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

      "but then again iTunes is a cross platform application"

      Not an excuse. A properly designed application can be cross-platform and still perform well.

      Firefox, GIMP, and Pidgin are my favorite three examples.

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    56. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding me? Yeah Amarok sucks and is bloated, but banshee kicks the crap out of iTunes...

    57. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't have to poke around to find your play queue. It should be the first thing you see.

      So instead of seeing all your music, by default you should see nothing?

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    58. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      No the way it works is you sync the iPhone to 1 canonical library, although the songs you bought through iTunes can be copied into an unlimited amount of libraries (you own) except DRM'ed songs which can only be played on "authorized computers" which is limited to a maximum of 5. What'll happen with iCloud is that the "canonical store" will be moved into the cloud and all PC's, iPhones and other devices on which you have an account will be able to sync to that. This avoids the problem of syncing to multiple databases by creating a single database which is kept in sync across all your devices.

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    59. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      "but then again iTunes is a cross platform application"

      Not an excuse. A properly designed application can be cross-platform and still perform well.

      Firefox, GIMP, and Pidgin are my favorite three examples.

      It works fine on my work laptop. You must be doing something wrong or obsessing about how much memory it uses.

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    60. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by bluemonq · · Score: 1

      Figured as much. Most people complaining about iTunes run it on Windows.

    61. Re:Best Buy + iTunes? by furgle · · Score: 1
      I think there must be something wrong with me I have a range of intermediate feelings that the internet just isn't ready for. Currently on the internet you are allowed the following opinion about objects:
      • MegaLove(create a fan website, yours will be the real fan website)
      • Like (join a bunch of fan websites)
      • Hate
      • Meh(also known as n00b)

      My brain works sideways and I just can't pick an option.

      I get the same problem when surveyed about how often I do things:

      • Always
      • Often
      • Sometimes
      • Rarely
      • Never

      My brain always goes, well sometimes I do it often, like for a week, and then I'll stop doing it for a month. And if you look at the whole of my life I practically never do it , considering it takes not much time to do, and for a third of my life im sleeping. But for the time when I am doing it I Always do it

  3. In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    .."remember the old days when we listened to music straight from CDs or harddrive/flashdrive mp3 players?"

    I really don't see the attraction of cloud stored music because it means you have to have an internet capable device to listen to the music on - bloody pointless when you're cycling or driving, sure you could have a GPRS type internet device but that means wireless reception and monthly cellphone plan payments. Fuck that, my mp3 player doesn't need wifi or montly payments, it just WORKS.

    1. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The benefit is that no matter where I am I can listen to all my music and not take up space on an additional hard drive or SD card. All my music is on Google Music. Work computer can access it, and my Droid can access it. So when I'm at work I can listen to music without putting music on the hard drive which I am forbidden to do, or when I'm in the backyard and want to listen to any of my music I can pick what I want instead of running back into the house and loading the songs onto my Droid.

    2. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the point, apple will phase out the older classic ipod in favor of there new ipod touch. They don't like the older version for a variety of reasons, mostly not a lot of app sales and no wifi make it pretty useless with iCloud. Hopefully this cloud hoopla will die out as marketing depts grind it into the ground.

    3. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off astroturfer

    4. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Shit. I hope my iPod Classic lasts a while longer yet, then. I bought it because it was the last hard-drive-based MP3 player (as opposed to "Portable media players" which tended to have big screens, loads of features I don't need in an audio player, even compared to the ipod, and cost twice as much) I could find, other than the Zune.

    5. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by mlts · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bingo. A few years back, we had some decent choices for a MP3 player with a decent capacity, from the Zune, to many others. Drivers? Plug it in, it mounts as a USB flash drive, copy files, unmount, and call it done.

      Now, there are no real MP3 players with any capacity beyond like 6 gig, and the only MP3 player with 100+ gigs of capacity is the iPod Classic.

      Of course, like described above, there are the "portable media players", but if I want to watch video on my MP3 player, I would buy a Galaxy Tab, iPad, or an iPod Touch. There is a market niche for this type of device -- just audio and a high capacity HDD. I just hope Apple doesn't can their iPod Classic anytime soon.

    6. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, and in a day where flash memory is dirt cheap, accessing the web on a device is getting harder and harder to do (no more cell phone unlimited data, fewer unsecured wi-fi hotspots) and you can get streaming music for free (Pandora, Last.Fm, YouTube, Shoutcast, etc.), why does it make sense for you to pay $4 to access your own music?

      Perhaps 5 years ago "the cloud" might have made sense back when 2 GB SD cards were still $50-60, unsecured Wi-Fi was incredibly common and data plans were unlimited, but today with dirt cheap flash media prices with enough storage to hold lots of songs it really makes no sense.

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    7. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! iPod classic 120 GB (about 3/4 filled) and I'm happy as a clam. 900ish full records I can listen to anytime, anywhere. Almost everyone I know looks down on it until they want to listen to "that album" whilst riding through the boonies. Then it becomes the best device on Earth.. I hate people :)

    8. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 0

      Ahhh, diddums!

      Your poor wittle muscly-wusclies can't cope with the extra stwain of cawwying a wittle USB dwive awound in your wittle pocket???

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    9. Re:In 10 years time people will be saying.. by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Yep. Not to mention the fact that the 500MB monthly download allowance in your phone contract means that you stream more than about 5 albums in a month over GPRS and your mobile phone company are going to rubbing their hands in glee and reaching for your credit card number on their files...

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  4. Gonna start my own by Zomalaja · · Score: 1

    I think I'll call it GeekMP3Squad.com

    1. Re:Gonna start my own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to start my own too; never have to download music ever again, it's all being uploaded for me! Needless to say as the administrator I have access to all files and need to errr.... "ensure the quality of the listening experience".

  5. well... by nickb64 · · Score: 1

    that's fuckin' useless. wow...

  6. Me too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I too have set up a cloud music service, except mine is 100% free. For the first step, please upload your songs to my server. This is going to save me so much time looking for songs with bittorrent!

  7. It makes perfect sense by hsjserver · · Score: 1

    Think about it: Physical media (hard drives/flash) is cheap, consumers have been using it for years, data on phones is getting shittier, caps are becoming more common, and the internet and electricity never go out. WE SHOULD CHARGE PEOPLE TO HOLD ON TO THEIR MUSIC!

    1. Re:It makes perfect sense by SomePgmr · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are various good arguments for "cloud storage", but this service exemplifies none of them.

  8. Kinda silly by m.dillon · · Score: 1

    It's not even worth writing a long essay about. Oooooh, it's 'the cloud', by which they mean it's just a client/server model like most of the internet already resembles. Sheesh.

    -Matt

    1. Re:Kinda silly by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Client/server" is some 70's academic hippie crap. We prefer to think of it as the "Consumer/Premium Content Provider" model. In the near future, we have high hopes for the "Serf/Lord" model. -RIAA

  9. Trendy by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

    All the cool kids are doing it now?

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  10. Business strategy by Albanach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sounds a lot like a way to add on a $3.99 recurring charge to new PC sales for Best Buy. I'd expect to see them pushing this heavily in store with new computer sales, and a lot of folk buying it then never using it. Allow cancelling only by telephone and only after waiting 20 minutes in a phone queue and that should keep their retention rate nice and high.

    1. Re:Business strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a simple solution, I try not to sit foot in a Best Buy. I was given a gift certificate so I tried their "Geek Squad" when I had a computer go down. Hey they had testing equipment so I thought maybe they could narrow my search for what was wrong. They claimed it was a hard drive issue when I knew it wasn't I also knew if I let them fix my "hard drive issue" when it still didn't work they'd claim the hard drive was defective but gee there were other problems. They prey on people that don't know any better, it's their business model. If 10% of the people are stupid enough to not cancel the service then they get $3.99 a month from 10% of the people buying new computers. They are ripping off customers but it's money in the bank. The fact they still have their door open proves there are a lot of stupid people out there.

  11. sounds stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 bucks a month to listen to music I ALREADY PAID FOR.

    but then... what do you expect from best buy... best buy sucks

  12. Oh well, Kharma to burn by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but I'll say this: Zune is iTunes without the bloat. The hardware might be a joke (Brown? Sign me Up!) but the software is fast, stable as a rock, and doesn't get between me and my music. I really can't explain it. It's just a pity Microsoft flubbed the hardware so bad.

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    1. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Does the Zune support iPods?

      I'm not being facetious. I used to use GtkPod on Linux but now that I'm using Windows 7[0], I'm pretty desperate for something that doesn't suck.

      [0] Yeah, yeah, I know. But now that all the DEs seem to be adopting Apple's design strategy of getting in the user's way as often and as irritatingly as possible, windows is actually easier to get work done in. How messed up is THAT?

    2. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i like earth tones in general and i really dig the brown! however i won't buy an mp3 player that doesn't mount as usb storage (as i understand the zune and latest ipods don't?), and i don't carry much music. i'm using an 8gb sansa fuze & it works great.

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    3. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a first time zune owner of the new-ish zune hd, I have fallen in love with the zune software and hardware. Perhaps the first gen players were lacking but I cannot find anything wrong with my new zune. Incredibly good audio quality, interface is also fantastic compared to any other mobile device I have ever laid hands on and the battery life is also great.

      I guess the only thing I would change is the charging/syncing port. Why couldn't we have mini/micro usb please?

    4. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just a pity Microsoft flubbed the hardware so bad.

      what's wrong with the zune hardware?

    5. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by thehodapp · · Score: 1

      Does the Zune support iPods?

      What are you smoking?

    6. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      I've not used it but it wouldn't surprise me - with the exception of that awful ribbon idea in Office 2007, Microsoft are pretty good at GUIs and people would have laughed at them if it was they that made iTunes.

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    7. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I meant the software. It was late and I was medicated. X\

      Since they're still offering the software after the player itself cratered, I thought they might have extended its functionality to other players make it something other than a crappy WMP replacement.

    8. Re:Oh well, Kharma to burn by retchdog · · Score: 1

      apart from the learning curve (but a third-party utility restores the original menu configuration), the office 2007 ribbon is the best productivity interface i've ever used. it absolutely kills openoffice, abiword and libreoffice, sad to say.

      i base this on natural grouping; efficient use of space; quick accessibility of commonly-used features; and not requiring fucking SQL.

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  13. Didn't MP3.com get sued into oblivion for this? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    just askin'. I don't see how this'll work. Plus I'm bitter. I really, really miss MP3.com :(.

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    1. Re:Didn't MP3.com get sued into oblivion for this? by larry+bagina · · Score: 2

      Not exactly.

      The BestBuy/Google model is to upload all your music. No different than if you copied the mp3 files to a drop box account or an external hard drive (though the RIAA may see it differently).

      The MP3.com model is to gracenote your CD and unlock access to their rip of it.

      The iTunes Match model is similar to the MP3.com model but you can upload songs they don't have and (more importantly) THE RECORD COMPANIES ALL AGREED TO IT BEFOREHAND.

      There's also the amazon model which is to similar to the mp3.com model, but only for mp3s you purchased on amazon. The RIAA may not like that.

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    2. Re:Didn't MP3.com get sued into oblivion for this? by mlts · · Score: 1

      It really boils down to who had the deeper pockets. mp3.com was just a spot on the RIAA's shoe, while Google, Amazon, or Apple would actually give them a run for their money.

      I wish mp3.com didn't go with the locker service... it was a great site for finding new bands... and there isn't really much in that department nowadays, other than last.fm and Pandora. It would be nice to have a site with a decent metal selection that doesn't have the same warmed over top 100 artists, and proper sub-genres.

  14. Dead on Arrival! by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have an ill feeling that Best Buy's service will be dead on arrival. They made its death even more certain buy requiring iTunes.

    This poses the question, 'Why should one abandon Apple/iTunes/iCloud for this seemingly [half baked] product?'

    1. Re:Dead on Arrival! by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Zombie on arrival. It will be included in the crapware installed on every computer the "innocent" people buy from them and the opt-out will be painful.

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    2. Re:Dead on Arrival! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Why would one use iTunes in the first place when CDs are cheaper, less lossy and provide automatic backups of themselves once you rip them.

      And don't reply with that standard "but there's only two good tracks on a CD" nonsense - anyone who believes that probably isn't listening to accomplished musicians capable of strapping a good whole album together, because there's plenty out there who can.

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    3. Re:Dead on Arrival! by travbrad · · Score: 1

      Because CDs often AREN'T cheaper? I can't speak for iTunes specifically, but I know amazon mp3 albums are quite often cheaper than the CD version (even before you include the shipping/tax costs on a CD). Creating a backup of mp3s is even easier/faster than ripping a CD (all you have to do it copy to a 2nd hard drive).

      It's very difficult to tell the difference between a high bit-rate mp3 and a CD (and virtually impossible on the listening gear most people have). There are some online music stores that do offer FLAC (or other lossless formats) as well, although not the big ones.

      Yes there are plenty of artists who can put together a whole album of great songs, but there are also artists who don't and it's nice to be able to pick and choose in those cases. Another situation where it's nice to pick and choose would be on "Various artists" CDs where you may like some of the artists but not others. Even in the case of classical composers I often only enjoy some of their work and I think most people would consider Beethoven or Chopin "accomplished musicians".

      I actually think being able to pick and choose is a good thing for music, because it puts more pressure on the record labels to release albums by artists who CAN make an entire album of good songs. "One hit wonders" will often be making $1 instead of $10-15 now.

    4. Re:Dead on Arrival! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand the concept of mimicking something that works, but taking the one aspect that nobody likes from Apple (requiring iTunes). Business decisions like this explains why best buy has the highest prices and worst selection in town.

    5. Re:Dead on Arrival! by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Why would one use iTunes in the first place when CDs are cheaper, less lossy and provide automatic backups of themselves once you rip them.

      Because CDs aren't cheaper? And one can buy individual tracks from an album without having to buy the whole thing? Because in most cases no one is going to hear the difference between the CD and the high bitrate tracks from iTunes (as backed up by vast amounts of ABX testing)? Because most CDs aren't mastered that great anymore so the benefits of CDs have mostly been mooted from the start?

    6. Re:Dead on Arrival! by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Don't talk rubbish, please!

      Downloads and CDs are mastered from the SAME master tapes.

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    7. Re:Dead on Arrival! by bedouin · · Score: 1

      What he's saying is that the mastering quality of modern music in general is subpar rendering any difference in quality between MP3s and CDs irrelevant.

  15. Aint No Amazon.... by __aazsst3756 · · Score: 1

    Best Buy aint no Amazon... let the death countdown begin.

  16. So Basically.... by flimflammer · · Score: 1

    This is basically $3.99/month to merely host your music away from your home, but with weird terms like mandatory iTunes.

    What the hell is the point? They were definitely right when they suggested it's more of a "me too" service than something properly thought out.

    1. Re:So Basically.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, $4 is way cheaper than your own server. And somewhat cheaper than a decent VPS. Reasonable price for a storage-only account, but I'd guess you get more space (no clue how much this is) for the same price elsewhere.

      So if I didn't already have a $15/mo VPS for bittorrent and miscellaneous uses, couldn't stand the cross-platform flexibility of dropbox or just an ftp account, couldn't stand using an Apple service, but really wanted an excuse to use iTunes anyway... I guess it would kinda make sense?

    2. Re:So Basically.... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2

      12 x $4 = $48 which gets close to the price of a portable USB drive that will last at least a year and you can store your music on, carry about with you and even use when there's no Internet connection.

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    3. Re:So Basically.... by CheerfulMacFanboy · · Score: 1

      12 x $4 = $48 which gets close to the price of a portable USB drive that will last at least a year and you can store your music on, carry about with you and even use when there's no Internet connection.

      And for the $48 you wouldn't be able to find somebody doing therapy anyway, which you would need when you run around with an external USB drive all the time to hook it up to your mobile music player.

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  17. licensing deal? by yodleboy · · Score: 1

    the weird mandatory iTunes requirement makes me wonder if this is something Apple is offering to retailers as a service. It seems strange that Best Buy would even want to take on the infrastructure side of this themselves, from scratch. I wonder just how much of that $3.99 a month goes to Apple? The benefit to Apple would be obvious, a major retailer pushing iTunes to customers. I suppose Best Buy gets to have a trendy feature to sell to people that don't know they don't need the Geek Squad to pimp their online deals.

    1. Re:licensing deal? by dzfoo · · Score: 1

      Wow! I almost made it to the end. I thought I was safe, the scroll-bar was almost touching the bottom border of the window. Just a few more posts to go, not a chance now... and then... someone had to spin an article on a lame new product from Best Buy as an Apple conspiracy. Great.

      Thanks for the jolt back into reality. For a moment I had forgotten I was in Slashdot.

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    2. Re:licensing deal? by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 1

      Interesting theory, and it makes some sense given the timing and pricing. If BBY pays AAPL per subscriber with minimal upfront costs then it's almost no risk.

    3. Re:licensing deal? by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      not sure why you see offering a service through a 3d party as a conspiracy. Companies do this all the time to reach people that they might not otherwise reach. I wouldn't have even suggested it except for the strange requirement of iTunes. It just doesn't make sense that Best Buy would expect to get away with launching a direct competitor to a new Apple service AND use Apples software.

      Unfortunately I stopped reading at the graphic and didn't see the how it works section. Looks like it's just reading the iTunes library. Really weird. Not sure why they think some iTunes user would use them rather than iCloud. Good luck Geek Squad...

  18. just what we need more up sells from the geeks and by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    just what we need more up sells from the geeks and blue shirts.

  19. Hmm ... by Krishnoid · · Score: 2

    Best Buy Releases Their Own Music Cloud

    I thought something smelled funny.

    1. Re:Hmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not impressed. I release my own musical cloud several times a day.

  20. ObJuvenileHumor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Best Buy frequently releases clouds, but the smell doesn't remind me of music.

  21. Nice logo by SignOfZeta · · Score: 1

    Looks like the MobileMe logo went up for auction and Best Buy won it. I wonder if Apple cares enough to bother sending out a lawyer or two.

    1. Re:Nice logo by bedouin · · Score: 1

      Hi this is a random Apple lawyer.

      To answer you question, no. We're too busy suing 12 year olds over aftermarket iPod cases.

  22. Re:just what we need more up sells from the geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh. If you need an external hard drive and an automatic backup, I'm going to sell you the hard drive, and I'm going to charge you for setting it up, as it takes time out of my day.

    Don't like it? Learn how to set it up yourself, or have a geeky friend.

    I'm tired of this shit. If you don't know how to rotate your tires, you pay for someone to do it. If you don't know how to set up AV software, you pay for someone to do it.

  23. Cloud? by blattin · · Score: 1

    I think it's called fog when it sinks.

  24. What's the point? by FSWKU · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm just behind the times, but I honestly don't understand the point of these "cloud services" for things such as music. I have a Dropbox account, but I use that for tossing files to friends without the hassle of running an Apache daemon, setting up an FTP, or choking an email server with large attachments. I don't understand the need to have my entire collection available across every device I might possibly want to use.

    But that brings up another issue. If this is anything like iCloud, there's going to be a 5gb or so limit. I don't have a huge amount of music, but it far outstrips that paltry offering. But in reality I don't WANT all my music with me at any given time. My MP3 player is used for running. It's a 4gb model, and every song I could possibly want while working out is already on there. I don't need to synch more. My phone has 12gb of memory built-in, and I stuck a 16gb MicroSDHC card in there as well. Even with tons of apps and videos, there's still enough space for the vast majority of my music collection if I wanted to take it with me.

    So what, again, is the point of synching to some cloud under someone else's control, when I can just plug a USB cable in for a few seconds if there's a song I REALLY need to put on either device? And that's saying nothing about how Best Buy will probably butcher it into uselessness just like everything else they've gotten their hands on...

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    1. Re:What's the point? by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      its so normal people have an ftp account

    2. Re:What's the point? by bedouin · · Score: 1

      Well, most ISPs give you one for personal web hosting.

      It's just FTP doesn't have same marketing appeal as, INSERT BUZZWORD HERE.

  25. Sooooo... by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

    Music cloud service that requires iTunes. Gee, so does iCloud, and it doesn't cost you a damned cent, and even if you get the iTunes match service, it's STILL cheaper than this! You could say that Android users would go for it, but there are already better services there, too, and what goddamned Android user is actually using iTunes?

    1. Re:Sooooo... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 0

      Android users don't need our asses wiped constantly by a big corporation. Therefore we don't use iTunes, I don't think there's even an Android client for it, is there?

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    2. Re:Sooooo... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Android users don't need our asses wiped constantly by a big corporation.

      Because Google, Samsung, et al aren't big corporations, right ?

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    3. Re:Sooooo... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      They provide the hardware on which a fairly open OS runs - so you buy the product then go off and do what you like. You are not forced to continue to do business with either company afterwards.

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    4. Re:Sooooo... by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but Samsung has no problems leaving you walking around with a poop covered ass for the better part of a year.

    5. Re:Sooooo... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      While it's true that iPhone + iTunes is a package deal after you buy it you aren't forced to do business with Apple ever again if you don't want to. There's even an iTunes replacement, Copy Trans Manager.

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  26. Why use cloud for music? by NeoMorphy · · Score: 1

    This is stupid!

    Now that Verizon is stopping unlimited data, why would you be so stupid to blast through your limit by storing your music in the cloud? My Droid X has a 16GB sdcard, unless I go crazy that's plenty of room for my music, and if it wasn't I can upgrade to 32GB.

    The cloud is dead for music, why are companies too slow to understand this?

    1. Re:Why use cloud for music? by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, 5 years ago with unlimited data plans, expensive flash memory (if I remember correctly my 2 GB Micro-SD card cost me about $50+ about 5 years ago) and unsecured wi-fi putting things on "the cloud" might have made sense. But today? It doesn't work.

      "The Cloud" works if storage is expensive and bandwidth is cheap. Today, storage is cheap and bandwidth is expensive.

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    2. Re:Why use cloud for music? by icebike · · Score: 1

      Just because you put it there, doesn't mean you have to play it from there.
      Wifi is dirt cheap. Put your stuff on the cloud and sync it to ALL your devices on wifi.

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    3. Re:Why use cloud for music? by NeoMorphy · · Score: 1

      Seems like an extra step, with unnecessary complications, and you have to pay for it. I can sync my music without "The Cloud".

      Dropbox is free and simpler if I just need intermediate storage on "The Net".

    4. Re:Why use cloud for music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, sending your music elsewhere to have it on the device next to you seems silly at times.

      But the convenience factor is pretty cool. On the cloud you have a choice of downloading it or streaming it which
      you don't get by syncing. That album you might be in the mood for once in a blue moon does not have to
      take space on your device.

      Having lost more than one hard drive, Its kind of nice to have it stored in the bullet-proof cloud which never loses anything. (*cough, choke, snicker* )

      Also streaming simply does not take that much bandwidth. You can surf the web and stream music on your tablet and hardly notice any
      difference. True, data-caps can bite you if you stream 24/7, but who does that, and most of us have wifi available most of the time.

      I was pretty much agnostic when it came to cloud storage, but having snagged a Google Music invite, I have every thing automatically uploaded
      there, (even my iTunes folder and my Amazon downloads folder). So immediately upon purchasing any music, or ripping my pathetic CD library, its on all the cloud and I don't even have to retain the computer copy if I like living dangerously.

  27. seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are you retarded or an astroturfer?

    a 99$ external hd is usb 2.0. what is so hard about setting that up? it usually loads software that does very easy backup. don't act like you have some tech skills here. you are so not needed for anything it's a wonder that you even posted this. you smug little shit, a large portion of people here can write their OWN backup software if they wanted to. something that is very unlikely you can do if you think backing up to an external drive with preloaded--IDIOT PROOF software is somehow a service you are providing. so please keep the time of your day, and yourself to yourself.

    then you jump from hard drives to cars--yes rotating tires is easy, and do not even mention av setup, since there are several kinds of this, your big box store doesnt have a clue they exist

    I think the above poster was not showing displeasure at having to install things themselves, but actually talking about disliking assholes like you. I bet your tune is MUCH different at your shitty bestbuy job, where you do everything you can to charge for unneeded labor. notice he said UP SELLS you fucking moron

  28. I'm seeing a trend here (no, not the obvious one) by initialE · · Score: 1

    When Apple came knocking on doors peddling their ITMS music store, they learned something the hard way - every country needed to be dealt with individually, with every distributor from each country having their own agreement to sign. Result - ITMS is still not available here (Singapore). By having the user upload their own music, it could be a sign of frustration at dealing with the music distribution channels and attempting to bypass them altogether.

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  29. But, do they offer a warranty with that? by tji · · Score: 1

    I hope they offer some sort of product replacement plan, so that if anything happens to my mp3 they'll give me the latest model of the bits as a replacement. That would really set them apart from Apple.

    1. Re:But, do they offer a warranty with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...that would be under the *extended* warranty, which is an additional $10 per month...

    2. Re:But, do they offer a warranty with that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they NEVER give you the "latest model" if your stuff breaks. They give you the cheapest clearance POS Compaq on the shelf, because after 2 years it's "functionally equivalent" to what you had...or so they say...

  30. There IS an android client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the submitter would have gone to the site hosted by best buy they would have seen that there is already an android client. This can be confirmed by searching for it in the android market. I know people here love to hate on best buy but seriously get your facts straight.

    1. Re:There IS an android client by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      but who really cares

    2. Re:There IS an android client by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I know people here love to hate on best buy

      There is no need for the word "on" in that clause.

      "People love to hate Best Buy" is perfectly sufficient and syntactically correct.

      Do you also say "people love on Thing-X?" or "people like on money"? Of course not.

  31. the modern business plan... by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

    Step 1) make a cloud service Step 2) .... Step 3) Profit!!

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  32. holy shit this is terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    phrases like shit sandwich don"t even begin to describe this.

    the only good thing from this whole mess is the surprisingly good writeup on the bbuymobile site. how dude managed to pull this off, I'm not sure, but kudos.

    guess itunes is well known here. lockdown can be avoided with ephod etc, if you even have an ipod.

    but the real stinker? you have to upload your own music, and the free service only lets you listen to 30 seconds of it, until you pay them.

    this really begs the question, who in their right fucking mind would ever go for this? and how is it even called competitive with apple et al when it uses itunesTM? apple could easily sue them into next week. this seems more likely to happen sooner than later, since apple has also announced their own cloud fantasy. at least they use md5 hashes, and people were saying epic fail if you have to upload your tunes to it. now BB has actually done it. humiliation.

    this past week has been total shit in /. tech news. it's official: americans (getting over being hooked on coke, crack, heroin, wars and phonics buzzwords) are now totally nuts. it's anon/lulzec riding on a cloud raining bitcoins down on everyone.

    in a way it is a fitting buzzword, but it will not take long for the sun to slice through this vaporware, and once the fog has lifted we will people waxing smart about how the cloud was doomed to fail. not since the cookie have the biggest dipshits out there been able to wave their hands and sound smart when talking about something--dont ya know, it's like a cloud man...

    what is the real question is the repetitive, crappy news that seems like advertising; does /. now sell ad as article/news by the week? it's the same old apple/MS, bestbuy sucks, kurzweil is a prohpet bullshit for years now.

    whats next? a social media slashcloud?

  33. Sorry for stating the obvious here... by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... but it requires iTunes (same as iCloud) AND it's slower (you've got to upload all your music) AND it costs about twice as much ($47.88/year vs. $25) AND it comes from a (I'll be kind here) not especially well-regarded company, as opposed to one that scores very highly in just about every customer satisfaction rating there is?

    what
    the
    holy
    fuck?

    Seriously, I can't say anything else but "what are they thinking?!?" This is obviously nothing more than a blind money grab and I can't see it possibly working out for them. Or lasting very long. In the meantime, I'd recommend not buying any computers at Best Buy--I think they'll wire a car battery to your nuts with alligator clamps until you sign up for this.

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    1. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by icebike · · Score: 2

      ... but it requires iTunes (same as iCloud) AND it's slower (you've got to upload all your music) AND it costs about twice as much ($47.88/year vs. $25) AND it comes from a (I'll be kind here) not especially well-regarded company, as opposed to one that scores very highly in just about every customer satisfaction rating there is?

      Ah, but on the other side of the coin,...

      If Apple, and Amazon, and Google, and Best Buy and who-ever-is-next can set up music cloud services it says the death grip
      of the music industry is essentially broken. The cat is out of the bag and they will never re-establish the level of control they
      once had.

      Uploading isn't all that bad with Amazon or Google. Chews up bandwidth, but its Step One. Step Two will follow
      soon. Then they will just SAMPLE your music files like Shazam, and make a database entry on their cloud saying yes, Sootman owns that
      song, add it to his cloud library, and let him download it to any device he wants.

      RIAA is having conniptions as we speak.

      So hooray for the lame cloud services breeding like rabbits. Too many for them to attack.

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    2. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but it requires iTunes (same as iCloud) AND it's slower (you've got to upload all your music) AND it costs about twice as much ($47.88/year vs. $25) AND it comes from a (I'll be kind here) not especially well-regarded company, as opposed to one that scores very highly in just about every customer satisfaction rating there is?

      what
      the
      holy
      fuck?

      Seriously, I can't say anything else but "what are they thinking?!?" This is obviously nothing more than a blind money grab and I can't see it possibly working out for them. Or lasting very long. In the meantime, I'd recommend not buying any computers at Best Buy--I think they'll wire a car battery to your nuts with alligator clamps until you sign up for this.

      Best Buy may have salespeople, but I honestly would trust them with alligator clamps at a shorter distance to my balls than I would Apple. At least Best Buy doesn't spend all their time convincing millions of people that the stylish new thing this year is alligator clamps (that cost $400) on your balls.

    3. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by schidester · · Score: 1

      While the alligator clamps may hurt, 12 volts isn't enough to cause you to even notice.

    4. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and try it, genius. I look forward to seeing the video on Tosh.0.

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    5. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by twebb72 · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I can't say anything else but "what are they thinking?!?" This is obviously nothing more than a blind money grab and I can't see it possibly working out for them. Or lasting very long. In the meantime, I'd recommend not buying any computers at Best Buy--I think they'll wire a car battery to your nuts with alligator clamps until you sign up for this.

      Would you like an extended warranty with that car battery / alligator clamp combo pack?

    6. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uploading isn't all that bad with Amazon or Google. Chews up bandwidth, but its Step One. Step Two will follow
      soon. Then they will just SAMPLE your music files like Shazam, and make a database entry on their cloud saying yes, Sootman owns that
      song, add it to his cloud library, and let him download it to any device he wants.

      RIAA is having conniptions as we speak.

      Step One ("private music lockers") doesn't require the music industry's permission. The copying there is initiated by individual, non-commercial users and the cloud vendor is providing nothing more than a virtual disk drive. It's more akin to the Betamax VCR than to Napster.

      Step Two ("optimize it by matching music you own to a database") does, because the entity compiling and providing access to the database is a commercial outfit that is presumably hoping to achieve some commercial gain. MP3.com got taken to the cleaners in court when they tried to do this. Apple no doubt is paying part of their $25 a year fee for iTunes Match to the record industry to be allowed to do it. If Amazon and Google follow suit, they would need the music industry's permission (unless they liked being on the receiving end of expensive lawsuits). That wouldn't break the music industry's hold over "the cloud"; it would strengthen it.

    7. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Except that normal Deduplication of storage is exactly the same thing as a private music locker.
      You don't seriously believe that Google or Amazon is storing 17 million copies of the same Lada Gaga song do you? Seriously?

      You pretend to upload, they pretend to store it, and in fact their engine simply scans it to make sure its identical to what they have
      already and points you to that one next time you ask for it.

      You proved you had it already. You gave the cloud a copy to "hold". How they "hold" is none of anyone's business.

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    8. Re:Sorry for stating the obvious here... by schidester · · Score: 1

      Take a 9V battery (that's, oh lets see... 3V less than a 12V car battery) and touch it across your tongue. Your tongue has far less resistance than any external organ, like, say, those suggested in the parent. It'll tickle and might even not be comfortable, but it won't hurt. I'll skip the test you suggest but probably for reasons other than you might think. Thanks for the compliment, but it doesn't really take a genius to know this stuff--just ohm's law and a little experience with batteries, multimeters, etc.

  34. amen brother by decora · · Score: 1

    when they nuked mp3.com i couldn't believe it. all that work, erased, for no reason.

    i have found some really great stuff on last.fm though.

  35. tell me my tires went bad, sell me 4 new ones by decora · · Score: 1

    if you ran a tire-rotation place like best buy runs its computer desk, youd be thrown in prison for fraud.

    they tell you 'bring it in for any reason', they upsell a warranty, and a bunch of shitty antivirus.

    then what do they do when you get viruses? they charge you another 150 bucks.

    if someone sold you tires with an extended warranty and they said 'here, here is a thing to make your tires puncture proof' for another upsell, and then you got a flat on your way home, and you went back and they made you buy all new tires.. yeah.

  36. Not really.. by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    there was a great reason. MP3.com was getting people to listen to music they liked, instead of top 40 crap. It was splintering the music market by connecting artists directly with their fans. One of the first things the record labels did when they got the domain was shut down anyone that was making a good living without a record contract. There were several bands that got taken off the site with no notice or reason. In the end, it's all about control of our pop culture. The grandparent said it best: "he same warmed over top 100 artists".

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  37. This is one of those things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that I will see as useless and will find it amazing at the number of times I see this software installed.

    1. Re:This is one of those things... by iiiears · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be hard to make something a little useful.
      Rebrand amazon services for storage,
      Rebrand Google services for calendar, translation.
      Rebrand Steam or direct to drive, GOG.com, nzone
      Rebrand a dll recovery and disk imaging service.

      Add Libre Office GIMP and Blender.
      Stir.

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  38. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is a music cloud ?

    1. Re:Umm... by iiiears · · Score: 1

      Does it smell like burning hemp?

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  39. Won't be included on Macs by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Say what you will about Apple--but they don't tolerate third party bloatware on Macs

    1. Re:Won't be included on Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what you will about Apple--but they don't tolerate third party bloatware on Macs

      Sorry, but Macs are not computers: they are fashion/social-posture statements.

    2. Re:Won't be included on Macs by travbrad · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Won't be included on Macs by bedouin · · Score: 1

      There were some exceptions in the past, like OmniGraph and GraphicConverter -- but those were both quality apps at least.

  40. i bet they name it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Geek Cloud..

  41. Mockup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks like a pr vendor mockup. At least I hope it is. This entire concept is monumentally retarded. No mention on bby.com, no links back etc, funky domain blah blah blah.

  42. Music is a type of media by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    "Now, there are no real MP3 players... there are the "portable media players", but if I want to watch video on my MP3 player..."

    What's wrong with buying a "portable media player" and only using it for music?

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    1. Re:Music is a type of media by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Size: Any current "media" player worth its salt is going to have a screen probably larger than the iPod Classic itself.

      Purpose-built interface: Being an audio player means a simple interface. Even the wheel-loop thing on the iPod that I've always hated is navigable without looking at the unit. With all the PMPs going to android touchscreens and the like now, you can't do the same. Very important for switching songs whilst driving, working out, etc.

      Price: I can't seem to find solid evidence of this now since even hard-drive based PMPs seem to be thin on the ground now, so the best hits are from places like the Amazon Marketplace, which can't be trusted not to be insanely inflated, so I'll have to go anecdotal here: back when I was looking, I got a 160GB iPod classic, despite my misgivings, because it was the cheapest per GB at about $2/GB. The next closest was, I think, a 100GB Archos at about $500.

  43. Incentive by dimeorj · · Score: 1

    Do I get a free Monster cable with that?

    1. Re:Incentive by bedouin · · Score: 1

      No, but I'll give you 5% off this $99 Monster USB cable if you buy an extended warranty. This one does eh -- USB 2.0 even faster than the free one included in your printer box.

  44. You alleged linux users are annoying me. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    Why are you trying all of these solutions for the simple task of syncing your music?

    rsync, and a little sed/awk to modify the playlists per device. Done. For consistent tagging and encoding, I use LAME. I'm still not into paying money for compressed music that likely isn't tagged or encoded the way I want to begin with.

  45. Don't they already have this? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, Best Buy owned Napster, which, for $5 a month, let you stream whatever you wanted without having to upload anything AND purchase MP3 tracks AND has an iOS/Android app AND is completely independent of iTunes AND a halfway decent browser-based portal AND a thick client for people like me who still prefer it and/or use mobile devices it can sync with ("Janus", aka "PlaysForSure" devices along with generic mass storage devices, keeping in mind that Creative had some pretty slick media players back in 2007).

    Forget "me too" behavior, this is "reinventing the wheel because the left hand is completely unaware of the existence of the right hand" behavior.

  46. They own Napster by blaine00 · · Score: 1

    Bestbuy owns Napster. Why are they forcing you to use a rival's software? Wouldn't it make more since to integrate this with their own product? I work at BestBuy and every week I find myself facepalming over their new bright ideas... like Buy Back. Maybe I should update my resume for when they finally run themselves into the ground.

    1. Re:They own Napster by Volshebnyj+Molotok · · Score: 1

      It _would_ make sense, which is why it didn't happen that way. I used to love Best Buy, but these days I will almost go out of my way NOT to purchase from them. They seem to have forgotten what made them a great place to shop, since these days they are anything but, and it's a shame.

  47. Fair enough. Thanks for the reply. (No body) by DragonHawk · · Score: 1

    Fair enough. Thanks for the reply.

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  48. a shining example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of too much wealth in the hands of too few.