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Two More Google Software Dogs Go To Heaven

theodp writes "Two more software products will be going to Google Software Heaven shortly. On Friday, Google issued a death certificate for Google Health (date of death = Jan. 1, 2012), and added that the lights will go out on Google PowerMeter on Sep. 16, 2011. 'We've observed that Google Health is not having the broad impact that we hoped it would,' said Google. 'There has been adoption among certain groups of users like tech-savvy patients and their caregivers, and more recently fitness and wellness enthusiasts. But we haven't found a way to translate that limited usage into widespread adoption in the daily health routines of millions of people.' Regarding PowerMeter, Google's 'Green Energy Czar' had this to say: 'We're pleased that PowerMeter has helped demonstrate the importance of this access and created something of a model. However, our efforts have not scaled as quickly as we would like, so we are retiring the service.' Google added that the White House will carry on the fight after being inspired by success stories like the Harker School (tuition: $36,435), which used grant money to acquire off-the-shelf sub-metering technology that revealed their energy bill could be reduced by not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am."

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  1. "not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by gatkinso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact that people need software to tell them this would save money is sad indeed.

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    1. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by magarity · · Score: 2

      The fact that people need software to tell them this would save money is sad indeed.

      Not just software but on top of +36K/yr tuition they needed additional grant money to figure it out.

    2. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by myurr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And a quick walk around the school after it had shut wouldn't have let them discover this without the need for expensive analysis!?

      Part of the problem with most managers is that they seem to refuse to go anywhere near the coalface and subsequently rely on spreadsheets and numbers for managing their business. Spending a few days every now and then actually experiencing the business first hand would leave them far better informed and help them become better managers.

    3. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 2

      Oh, my bad - I misread "9 pm to 3 am" as "9 am to 3 pm"

      Please ignore and mod appropriately.

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    4. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by cgenman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or maybe they walk into the gym, notice that the floors need cleaning up, send someone after one of the bleacher supports that has collapsed, and make a mental note to take down and dry clean the banners once the school year is over.

      When you're responsible for everything, sometimes it is helpful to have people who are only responsible for specific things. Otherwise they slip through the cracks.

    5. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Possibly from 9pm to 3am the gym is used by geeks for LAN parties. Which would mean more need of air condition, due to the high concentration of overclocked computers ...

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    6. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by zill · · Score: 2

      I go to the gym at 2am, you insensitive clod!

      Ok, ok, I lied.

      I don't even know what a gym is.

    7. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The fact that people need software to tell them this would save money is sad indeed.

      Not really, because I'd probably turn the AC back on at 5AM. I wouldn't necessarily know that the marginal savings of keeping it off between 3AM and 5AM are so small that I'd might as well make the gym comfortable for early morning users. Likewise, I might turn the gym AC off at 11PM, not realizing that the gym wouldn't warm up enough to affect the people working out after 10PM.

      So by turning the AC off between 9pm and 3am instead between 11pm and 5am, hypothetically I might be keeping the gym more comfortable for the users while using less energy, even though the AC runs the same number of hours.

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    8. Re:"not air conditioning the gym from 9pm-3am" by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And part of the problem is lay people going 'Durr, its obvious' Balancing an HVAC system is not as obvious as you make it out to be.

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  2. So THAT'S what we're spending our money on. by Restil · · Score: 2

    A school of all places required a federal grant to find out that turning off the air conditioning saves money? Anyone who's ever paid an electric bill can figure that out pretty quickly all on their own.

    -Restil

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    1. Re:So THAT'S what we're spending our money on. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except they don't. Nearly all buildings are inefficient in ways that are fairly cheap and simple to fix, once the specific problem is identified. Very few of them are identified. The efficiency upgrade industry should be 100x larger, but most people are ignorant, inefficient, and even smug about it.

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  3. There's a Google Health? by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First I'd heard of it. Maybe I've been living under a Google Rock, but you'd think a company that specializes in advertising could Google Tell People About This Thing better.

    1. Re:There's a Google Health? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      While I've never heard about Google Health elsewhere, I definitively have seen it mentioned several times on Slashdot.

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  4. Our healthcare is f*cked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I actually had high hopes for Google Health being able to improve one little corner of an otherwise broken system. I should have known better though. Our healthcare system in this country is beyond repair at this point. We need to gut the entire system and rebuild it, but unfortunately politics and people's lingering fascination with private insurance companies will prevent it until we completely meltdown.

    Recent case in point - I went to the doctor a month ago for some antibiotics - total cost TO ME (insurance picked up more) = $758. I could have purchased a plane ticket to Costa Rica, a couple nights in San Jose, and the medication cheaper than my visit to the local clinic.

    1. Re:Our healthcare is f*cked. by jmottram08 · · Score: 2

      There is NO way that a simple doctor visit cost over 700. There must have been tests involved, or you are the stupidest consumer in the world to pay that much for a routine doctor visit.

  5. Not surprising by redemtionboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    So the things people cared the least about in Google's wide spectrum of services were health and energy? We're doomed.

  6. Even sadder... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    They didn't just use software - girls bought couple of thousands of dollars worth of smart meters from their... umm... sponsors? Mentors?
    What do you call that when a company helps you earn a grant, which you then spend at the said company, earning further contracts to the company with a bonus of international promotion through UNICEF?

    http://issuu.com/theharkerschool/docs/harker_quarterly

    âoeHarkerâ(TM)s going to continue to support the philosophy of green thinking, to create buildings that have a warm and open environment, and weâ(TM)ll continue to seek out the very best products to promote the sustainability of our planet in future construction projects.â
    â" Mike Bassoni

    In early December. Zhuâ(TM)s application emphasized incentivizing investment in sustainable energies such as solar, wind and geothermal power, and modernizing electricity grids worldwide. âoeItâ(TM)s important to get as much information about climate change policy out there as possible, as it has a major impact now and will have an even bigger one on future generations,â said Zhu.

    Priya Bhikha, Gr. 12, And a team of upper school students are preparing a segment for Harkerâ(TM)s 2010 fashion show, with clothes made out of recycled materials. Bhikha has put out a call to all three campuses to help supply her with plastic bags, soda can tabs, paper clips, coffee filters, cds, drinking straws and more to make her recycled fashions.

    Shreya Indukuri and Daniela Lapidous, both Gr. 10, Took it upon themselves to apply for a grant to improve Harkerâ(TM)s energy efficiency.
    The girls, with the help of Valence Energy, successfully earned a $5,500 environmental grant, allowing Valance to install smart meters, devices for monitoring energy use, at the lower school campus. They also hope to apply some of the grant money towards an organic garden and window-insulating film at the upper school, and plans are underway to install smart meters at that campus, as well. This fall the pair attended the Governorsâ(TM) Global Climate Summit in Los Angeles as two of 25 climate youth leaders; they presented their findings to the assembly and enjoyed an audience with Gov. Schwarzenegger. Unicef picked up on the girlsâ(TM) story from there, and sent a camera crew from New York in October to interview them for a documentary on youth activism.

    âoeIf we donâ(TM)t do anything about [global warming] now, weâ(TM)ll really regret it in the future and history will label us as the generation who sat back and watched the world go up in flames. People will either be part of the problem or part of the solution, and it will take an extremely grueling period of effort by a lot of people to come up with even a fraction of a solution, but every contribution counts. We know the work is hard, and it does seem rather intimidating, but weâ(TM)re just taking it one baby step at a time,â said Lapidous.

    A gold, green building? Students ready to effect change? A strong history of environmental awareness that will continue long into the future? Check.

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  7. Translation by rampant+mac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "But we haven't found a way to translate that limited usage into widespread adoption in the daily health routines of millions of people.

    We're not rolling around in money from all you fitness freaks while we quietly try to sell your soul to advertisers.

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  8. Facebook Health by sourcerror · · Score: 2

    "I actually had high hopes for Google Health"

    Don't worry! Facebook has created a better one! You can also friend the prostitute you've got the STDs from.

  9. google didn't help by gargeug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was working on a metering device for residential solar arrays and attempted to contact google about the technical aspects to link our product easily with google's powermeter, as it was just getting going. They never got back to me or showed any interest in getting some products to adopt the technology. Seems to me they lost it on their own...

  10. Re:Just Tried Google Health... by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually used Google health along with members of my family.

    Main use is each member has any list of medications and and importantly "Allergies".

    I used to have a piece of paper in my wallet with this information, this was much more convenient to access from anywhere I needed. It was good for an emergency, any when in a medical office visit where you have to fill out some form, and honestly I can't remember all this crap at this age anymore.

    It really is handy. More convient then scratching things off a piece of paper and updating it. Now I don't know how many people are in the medical industry, but there are lots of sites that are HIPAA Compliant that you can pay for, for this type of service, but Google was free and I could care less if the world knows about my Google logins allergies. The trade off was fine.

    This however is just another straw in the "Cloud" coffin.


    I think something like Opera Unite is much more interesting (The implementation is far from perfect), but an easy users side "Server" with plug-in blocks that can have 100s of mini servers serving anything--- WhiteBoard server, Web server, Music server, Video Server, Medical server, PostIt Note server, etc....

    No, Opera Unite, does not go through Opera.com. It can use a DynDns style url for easy access through opera.com, but you can access it directly through your IP and port #. Again, just the concept I think is more interesting anyway then the cloud. Any easy server, with "plug any anything" server modules.

  11. Re:Because it doesn't. by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, airsealing buildings to retain heat (or keep cool) and maintain humidity has been probably the highest priority of both new buildings and retrofit for at least a decade. "Breathable" buildings are energy inefficient. Preventing mold with the minimum mechanical ventilation and proper materials in construction is much cheaper and effective over a building's operational life. You are the one who is 100% wrong, at least in the modern construction era.

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  12. Google What? by chuckugly · · Score: 2

    If I'd even heard of this product i would have tried it, Google.

  13. As a user of Google PowerMeter by toonces33 · · Score: 2

    I must say that I am disappointed. We have the TED 5000 at home, which lets me monitor electricity usage in realtime - the Google PowerMeter is an addon to that product which let me view the information from the web, which in a sense was more of a gimmick than anything else. I suppose in the long run it won't matter all *that* much to me.

    Yeah, it is easy to tell someone to turn off the AC (but those who say this probably aren't married). But optimizing things so that AC is only used when people are home is a trickier issue, and for that matter it is also the case that not all electricity is used by the AC compressor.

  14. eHealth sucks and can be dangerous by Chewbacon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a registered nurse by day. I've seen my employer and other hospitals adopt electronic methods for charting, care planning, and most recently medication reconciliation. These are still new grounds that is littered with startups. Our new med rec system flaunts a feature allowing us to pull a patients current prescriptions and allergies from only a handful of major pharmacies. It's an absolute mess as the information providers often contradict each other. There is no common standard or sandbox and it has gotten so bad sadly even the almighty Google cannot survive it. I can see it as a good business venture, yet so many hands in the pot (many are companies with no healthcare experience) makes it a hazard to patients. Some of those hazards are prevented by people like myself. I am sad to see it go down hill for Google, I was hoping this was something they'd end up taking charge of and making consistent.

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