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LulzSec Announces That It Is Done

Posted by timothy on from the oh-they-all-say-that dept.

MaxBooger writes "LulzSec, the notorious hacker group that's been on a rampage, just announced that it's disbanding. This follows 50 days' chaos during which time it took down several websites (including CIA.gov at one point), exposed passwords, exposed documents of the Arizona penal system, and at one point threatened to hit Too Big To Fail banks. Obviously, it's possible that the group will not abide by its promise to quit. Nobody knows."

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  1. as the saying goes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if you cant stand the heat, get your @$$ out the kitchen

    1. Re:as the saying goes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The funny part is if they didn't disband and a significant number got nailed, everyone would be saying how stupid they were for not quitting while they were ahead.

      Course that's not to say a significant number won't get nailed eventually anyway, just noting that crowds are fun

    2. Re:as the saying goes by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have made their point for now, isn't that sufficient?

      The point is clearly that no system connected to the internet is secure, and that it can be cracked given enough skills. So the best protection against a very competent attack is to avoid angering people.

      And even if you don't you shall design your systems with a multi-layered approach in mind to avoid massive breaches. Don't allow the presentation layer direct access to the database with sensitive information. Don't use the same authorization database for the web UI for administrative tasks. And if you run an application server (like tomcat) - run it under a security manager/policy that limits access to other services in case someone is able to install something malicious in the application server. You can apply a security policy to Tomcat, and that will at least slow down an attacker considerably since the attacker then needs to gain knowledge of the system. And if you add tripwires in the system that can block attackers automatically if tripped then you make things even harder. Three to five tries and the IP address is shut off for an hour.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    3. Re:as the saying goes by Angostura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is clearly that no system connected to the internet is secure, and that it can be cracked given enough skills.

      That would have been the point if there was any evidence that they had used particularly sophisticated attacks. The actual point seems to be that quite a few systems are secured in a fairly amateurish way and still subject to SQL injection, for example.

    4. Re:as the saying goes by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

      No, the point is that they are a bunch of internet tough guy bullies and once their "dox" started coming out, they turned tail and ran. They are going to try to hide, but now that those they have attacked have information on them, they are going to be hunted down.

      --
      There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
    5. Re:as the saying goes by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, not the point at all. LulzSec is (was?) a vigilante group fighting organizations they perceive as evil. What they did to Sony was exactly the same thing Sony did to me, and Sony did it with no repercussions at all. The banks have been stealing from all of us for decades, and the government rewarded them with bailouts for it. I'm not sure I agree with the Arizona breaches, but most of what they did were good things.

      --
      Free Martian Whores!
    6. Re:as the saying goes by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Their point was never that 'nothing is secure'. They used simple well known attacks and a lot of humor.

      I see their points as:

      1) Validate user input.
      2) Don't reuse passwords.
      3) The first two rules apply to everyone including government contractors.
      4) If we can get your details so can, and so have, other groups.
      5) So called whitehats are corrupt by nature.
      6) It's still possible to be anonymous on the internet if you know what you are doing.
      7) Cloudflare works well.
      8) We are laughing at you.
      9) j3st3r ( or however you spell it ) is a script kiddie who writes very bad PHP.
      10) Send us some cash via bitcoin.
      11) PROFIT!

    7. Re:as the saying goes by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      The second is worse. And someone who kills my family in front of me and then burns me alive is worse than that. Your point?

      I thought my point was obvious. Lulzsec have drawn attention to security issues that can be easily fixed. This might just encourage people with these kinds of security issues to fix them before the really bad guys turn up.

      Granted that may not have been their intention, we will never be sure.

  2. Good for them by OopsIDied · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quitting while they're ahead.

    1. Re:Good for them by Zerth · · Score: 4, Funny

      In other news, mysterious hacker group YhymFrp has announced their intentions to continue what LulzSec started.

    2. Re:Good for them by DemonGenius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Rational people know not to strive for a Pyrrhic victory.

  3. Good by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As much as I'm for protests and such, these kids were just out to cause harm because they could. They need to get a legitimate cause, and stop pissing on ( innocent ) people randomly, or be gone.

    They give the rest of us a bad name.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    1. Re:Good by trapnest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >implying all kinds of things

    2. Re:Good by bennett000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As much as I'm for protests and such, these kids were just out to cause harm because they could. They need to get a legitimate cause, and stop pissing on ( innocent ) people randomly, or be gone.

      They give the rest of us a bad name.

      Aside from doxing Arizona law enforcement, what harm did they really cause? They've really just managed to point out a lot of trivial security flaws... I suppose one could argue that they cost Sony billions of dollars, but fighting Sony was a legitimate cause...

    3. Re:Good by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I fail to see how anything they did could be justified even if it was for a 'legitimate' cause. Taking away others' ability to participate in the community [network] is universally wrong.

      But they didn't. Sony did that, as a knee-jerk reaction. Don't blame LulzSec for Sony's ill-considered response.

    4. Re:Good by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the US of A where they were born and raised
      Corporations pleased customers on most of their days
      Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
      While employing people fresh out of the school
      When a couple of hackers, they were up to no good
      Started making trouble in their neighborhood
      They got in one little fight and the prez got scared
      He said "we're going to war, it's not like anyone cared"

    5. Re:Good by vgerclover · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are no innocent people.

      "I believe in karma! It means that I can do mean things to people ALL DAY and assume they deserve it! - Dogbert

    6. Re:Good by bennett000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am currently dowloading hte battlefield heroes userdata to see if I am on it. I have to take time out of my life to do shit like this cos they released user data. If they had just withheld the usernames and passwords and threatned the source with releasing them if they didnt up their security I would have been much much happier... and supportive.

      Well if you're smart you use unique passwords for your online services, so log in and change your password. Give Visa/Mastercard/Amex or whomever a quick call, tell them what happened. Problem solved.

      Imagine for a second hackers more malicious than the LulzBoat stole your data (especially financial data), they probably wouldn't publicly post it, they'd sell it, or use it in other ways that are far more aggravating than spending five minutes changing a password, and/or a telephone call to your credit card company.... Granted this still doesn't make the Lulz crew's actions 'right', but there are SERIOUS online crimes going down every second...

      the worst part about the Lulz debacle isn't the possible net regulation the future holds... that's speculation. the worst part is the REAL criminals are still flying under the radar hacking the RSA, Lockheed Martin, etc...

    7. Re:Good by Lesrahpem · · Score: 2

      Who says the Laughing God has anything to do with the writings of a bunch of drugged out desert people? You are exceedingly narrow minded if you think that only "The Bible" is a legitimate religious text and that all religious and philosophical discussion should be viewed in context to it. After all, it is the oldest religious text known to man, you know, aside from the Baghavad Gita, the pyramid texts, and the Enuma Elish.

      I don't see where you get that I am justifying anything... They claim to be doing this for "the lulz", as in, they are doing it in the name of humor. Humor is the one force in this universe that can never, ever, ever be evil. Humor always improves all situations, regardless of anything else.

    8. Re:Good by Lesrahpem · · Score: 2

      You assume that the Laughing God picks one side or the other... Humor does not pick a side, it points out the merits and flaws of all sides to the potential benefit to all sides involved.

    9. Re:Good by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but I disagree. I think these kids are doing good work that needs doing. Not sure about the Arizona crhacks, but I certainly am for bringing Sony down. What they did to Sony was karma, payback for thousands of us who Sony crhacked with their XCP trojan.

      I'd like to see them (or somebody) go after the Delaware cell phone telemarketing spammers at 302-394-6964. Those bastards called my cell phone ten times Friday and 12 timed Thursday. It was just an annoyance to me, as I have a flat fee plan, but it undoubtedly cost most people they robocalled money. A google search showed that there are a lot of people affected by these sociopaths, but I haven't heard about any law enforcement or government action against them. Vigilante action is warranted, since any more the US and state governments don't seem to care what kind of evil corporations do as long as they get their campaign bribes.

      LulSec gone? That's a shame, they're needed.

      --
      Free Martian Whores!
    10. Re:Good by Angostura · · Score: 2

      The ultimate in relativism. "We can't be bothered to think about the nuances of good and bad, everyone is flawed, we'll tear everything down nah-nah-nah-I-can't-hear-you".

      A pathetic justification for intellectual laziness.

  4. Whew! by willoughby · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we can finally bring the troops home.

  5. Cui bono? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, when the dust settles, what's left to ask is simply: Who benefits from it?

    I predict some new laws...

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Cui bono? by techsoldaten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, something tells me this is in response to legal activity. There are surely going to be new laws, probably not ones specifically in response to hacking activity, but others that allow various governments all sorts of access to records to track down hackers.

      This will cause 'innovation' in the hacking scene, where people adapt to the new laws and develop new technologies that circumvent them and make them more challenging to implement. Hackers are simply going to go further 'underground' and be harder to track.

      This, in turn, it going to lead to a number of high profile hacks of large services who have not matured in terms of how they secure their services. This will make the news, government officials will make unfortunate comments that draw the attention of various hacker groups, who will lash out through their newly developed anonymity.

      In turn, this is going to result in new laws... stop me if you heard this before.

    2. Re:Cui bono? by TimTucker · · Score: 2

      Well, something tells me this is in response to legal activity. There are surely going to be new laws, probably not ones specifically in response to hacking activity, but others that allow various governments all sorts of access to records to track down hackers.

      The idealist in me wants to believe that we could also get more laws passed holding corporations more accountable for lax security.

    3. Re:Cui bono? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Huh? Why would it?

      The ones that do not understand and are not affected by the hacks won't care. They will not realize anything.

      The ones that understand already knew it. They will not realize anything new.

      The ones that do not understand but were affected (e.g. by having their credit card exposed) will welcome the laws and feel protected. They will not realize anything ever.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Cui bono? by cavreader · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Consulting Money? These ass hats did not do anything worth hiring them for. Re-packaged SQL injection and DDOS attacks are strictly amateur hour.

    5. Re:Cui bono? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, and you'd be amazed in how many companies amateurs are at the helm of security. Or rather, how little money and how much burden the average C(I)SO gets on his back that he simply cannot run the required security audits. Bluntly speaking, to get security up to par, the average corporation would at least have to double, more likely triple, its security staff.

      Security is a lip service business. Much like insurance. You do what law dictates, not a penny more is spent on it. If the law doesn't dictate that you have to be secure against SQL injections and DDoS attacks, it's mostly a matter of luck and whether the programmer writing the piece of software does it automatically, which in turn again is unlikely because it certainly is neither part of the testing nor of the final inspection protocol. Even if, there simply is no time for more than a cursory glance, so in effect the burden of blame is shifted on some scapegoat, most likely one of the CSOs underlings. Or, lacking said underlings, the CSO.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    6. Re:Cui bono? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Compliance has nothing to do with security. Compliance has something to do with laws. Creating laws take time, creating auditing checkbox-ticker-tests take more time and filling them out takes some more time. We're talking months here. By the time you start ticking off checkboxes (assuming that you were fully compliant from the start, which in my 10+ years now never happened, not a single time) you're already about 8-12 months behind the reason the law was passed for.

      And a year is a long, long, long time in IT security.

      You may rest assured that all companies that got sacked were fully compliant with laws and regulations concerning security. Which essentially means jack when it comes to "real" IT security the way the average geek would think of it. Don't mix compliance with security, they're two very different beasts and sadly, the former is more important to the average CEO than the latter. Because there's very specific laws for the former, but usually just very diffuse ones for the latter.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    7. Re:Cui bono? by HappyEngineer · · Score: 2

      Simple code reviews can find SQL injections quite easily. Just search for the method names for executing queries then make sure that there are NEVER string concatenations which include user input.

      It's all really quite simple. Use parameters for every query and you'll never have a problem with SQL injection unless the DB library itself has a hole (much less likely than the possibility that your home grown validation code has a hole in it).

      Where I work I do this regularly. Every now and then I find crap like "foo="+ someParam in the code. When I do I call them on it loudly and publicly (in a reasonably nice way). I make sure all the developers in my group hear my criticisms. It's the only way to staunch this sort of dangerous behavior.

      I don't care if you think you've validated it. I'm not going to waste time triple checking every place that parameter is used. It's very simple to just use parameters and be almost 100% safe from SQL injection.

      --
      Cow Cube
  6. Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once their names started coming out, and their chat logs started being dumped, they sure did tuck their tail and run away quickly.

  7. Re:Interesting, not ironic by etymxris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, and they had a document release planned for Monday. Something must have just happened.

  8. Re:Cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What, life get too hard? Clearly someone got close to kicking them out of the game, and they ran before that would happen.

    Win the war, not the battle.

    Live to fight another day.

    I can think of others. Basically sounds like a smart idea to me.

  9. What timing... by downhole · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't remember them ever saying anything about limiting their hack-spree to 50 days. Sounds like they've pissed enough people off that they're starting to get ID'ed and arrested, and are hoping they can quit before it gets really bad. They're a bunch of weenies all right, but I don't think it's over for them. I for one will be lulzing my ass off when they all get caught and sent to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

    --
    I don't reply to ACs
    1. Re:What timing... by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like they've pissed enough people off that they're starting to get ID'ed and arrested

      Or their asses kicked.

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      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    2. Re:What timing... by richlv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's been a few beers in an airport, but still...

      do you - downhole - personally feel that sexual abuse in prisons is appropriate ?
      including all the innocents getting convicted (think movie witch hunt or other similar cases), all the minor convictions (smoked some weed) and so on ?

      personally, i would not have guts to condemn a person who would in the end find the means to kill off those who got them in the prison wrongfully. and i believe we should not make prisons a place to breed people like that.

      --
      Rich
    3. Re:What timing... by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see that many people here on /. seem very bitter and angry about those kids. First let me tell you that "laughing you ass off when they get raped in prison" only shows that you're a very mean and despicable individual. But apart from that those kind of hackers are really doing people a favor by exposing clearly to the general public how terrible the security of their personal data is. Rest assured that for every bragging Lulzsec there are ten quiet hackers from different governmental and criminal groups, silently collecting your data and placing back doors in your systems, and not saying a word about it. Without public exposure authorities and corporations will naturally do all they can to swipe the problem under the rug. The kind of very visible but mostly harmless actions from the likes of Lulzsec is what's necessary to have them move their ass and finally do something about the security issue. I for one see them more as the vaccine that will eventually help the Internet grow some real security than the hateful vandals that old grumps of your kind want to portray.

    4. Re:What timing... by moortak · · Score: 2

      The DOJ disagrees with you. Page 4 of the PDF has a breakdown. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/dudsfp04.pdf

      --
      Xavier Rabourdin for president 2012
    5. Re:What timing... by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 2

      Yes, I will laugh as they ger raped in prison, because they are criminals.

      Ok but consider one thing: imagine that your son would do something stupid one day, like selling 1g of hemp to a friend to help him out or crack into a government website for the lulz, and gets caught. He's a criminal now. Will you still be laughing as he gets raped in prison? If you answer "no", then you're definitely a stinking asshole and a filthy motherfucker, because you want harsh penalties for others but will beg for them not applied to you. And if you answer "yes", then you're definitely a stinking asshole and a filthy motherfucker. So now please take a good look in the mirror and say hello.

  10. Over? by gadzook33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You knocked on the devil's door my friends.

  11. I doubt it... by Lohrno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My totally random guess here is that they are a group of people who probably knew each other well before creating this group. More than likely they have just stopped calling themselves LulzSec. They're just getting too much scrutiny most likely. I don't think this is the last we hear from them, just they won't be calling themselves LulzSec necessarily...

  12. The Real Question... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...is whether everyone else is done with Lulzsec. Unfortunately, they've likely pissed off the kinds of people who don't stop the game just because the opponent wants to quit.

  13. It's better to burn out than fade away... by Bodhammer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Tyrell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
    Batty: I've done... questionable things.
    Tyrell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
    Batty: Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for

    --
    "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  14. i hope they dont quit by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    maybe change their strategy and mix things up to evade capture, the world needs benevolent black/grey hat hackers to dig up dirty laundry on the establishment, let the government & police know that if they do wrong that it will be found out and exposed for all the world to see...

    --
    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
    1. Re:i hope they dont quit by Salvo · · Score: 2

      The Information exposed by LulzSec was mainly just proof that these organisations security was too lax.
      The only dirty laundry they wanted to expose was that these systems weren't secure.

      The Paydirt for LulzSec was getting in in the first place, not any information they found.

    2. Re:i hope they dont quit by DemonGenius · · Score: 2

      maybe change their strategy and mix things up to evade capture, the world needs benevolent black/grey hat hackers to dig up dirty laundry on the establishment, let the government & police know that if they do wrong that it will be found out and exposed for all the world to see...

      I wouldn't go so far as to say "benevolent" but I prefer to live in a world where the watchers are watched and the tyrants are forced to live in fear.

    3. Re:i hope they dont quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the world needs benevolent black/grey hat hackers to dig up dirty laundry on the establishment,

      And you pick LulzSec as the most capable group for this? Hilarious.

      I don't think he did pick LulzSec. They're just the ones doing it at the moment with a bit of spotlight. Last month it was Julien Assange, next month it'll be someone else. Most likely not you though as you'd rather trapse around the internet being condescending. Hilarious.

  15. What, the script-kiddies have enought? by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pathetic really. The only thing different is that these idiots have big mouths. Which, I bet, will be their downfalls. Nothing they did on the hacking side is impressive at all. Competent black-hats know that one of the most dangerous things you can do is public bragging. Having an information-channel back is beyond stupid.

    Fortunately, law-enforcement has very long memories and a lot of patience. It is just relatively slow. I predict that we will see them all begging for mercy. Might take months or years, but they were far to careless not to get caught.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    1. Re:What, the script-kiddies have enought? by Dan541 · · Score: 2

      They even set up a telephone hotline.

      --
      An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
    2. Re:What, the script-kiddies have enought? by Joush_mark · · Score: 2

      The objective was to draw attention to causes that interested a loose collection of impassioned individuals with a little knowledge, a little access, and an internet connection. What was accomplished was more then many civil disobedience campaigns that last for years can do, and most of the people involved are going to get away with it. The scary part isn't the script kiddies, it's that they got vaguely organized and directed in a way that would be nearly imposable to direct and stop before they hit. If a collective like this can last a few months and pull off several eye-catching acts before dissolving it's worrying to people likely to be targeted because their is absolutely no limit to the number of people that could do something like this with the will and direction to do so.

  16. Re:Cowards by carlzum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Excellent analogy, wrong conclusion. Know your objective, how what you're willing to invest to achieve it, and exit when you've reached your goal or exceeded your costs. LulzSec made some headlines and embarrassed a few major organizations. Going to jail isn't worth a few more headlines.

  17. Re:Cowards by HuckleCom · · Score: 2

    He who runs away today can run away another day - Brett Maverick (Or his 'pappy')

  18. Re:They'll be back... by theweatherelectric · · Score: 4, Funny

    BASIC Gorilla tactics 101:

    No, basic gorilla tactics are to live in troops in tropical and subtropical forests in central Africa.

  19. Re:They'll be back... by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You, my friend, have clearly never played that game.

    BASIC Gorilla tactics 101

    The tactics are to look at the wind-speed meter, consider elevation, and then try an angle and velocity that will strike the opponent with your explodo-banana. Refine your velocity and angle per the rules of "playing the odds" guess too much one way, and too little the other, then extrapolate the correct angle and velocity by interpolation.

    A quick search turns up this website that has a flash implementation of the game (covered with a skippable ad) that you may use to refine your "BASIC Gorilla" skills.

  20. Re:Cowards by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

    Worked well for the Communists, not so well for the South Vietnamese who weren't communist.

    Also look at what happened during Tet '68 to non-communists in Communist controlled provinces.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF.

  21. Re:They'll be back... by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, that's gorilla STRATEGY. Gorilla tactics is deciding who to fling poo at.

  22. Re: Vietnam by mevets · · Score: 2

    For gods sake, let it heal.

    There is a history lesson alright: it was an idiotic fight picked by a bunch of paranoid lunatics. It killed, maimed and harmed a huge number of people for no reason at all.

    Don't try to paint war-success stories from what is, at best, a cluster fuck of people that should know so much better.

    At best, it is yet another lesson in how using weapons solves nothing. If I count correctly, the "using weapons group" is losing 30 to 1. When Afghanistan is over, it will be 31 to 1.

  23. Re:Cowards by scubamage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Agreed. Right now everyone who is anywhere in security is most likely hyperaware. I know at my company (a large carrier) we've done security audits across the spectrum to ensure customer data was well protected, along with proprietary info. It makes sense if they let the waters die down a bit, and then hit when people are soft and inevitably get lazy again.

  24. Re:Cowards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On June 21st a suspected member is arrested in the UK, on June 25th they call it quits. The prospect of life in a British arse pounding prison was certainly a factor.

    The culture of institutionalised rape and its tacit endorsement as part of the punishment (*) is far more closely associated with the American prison system. I'm not saying it doesn't happen here, but it doesn't seem to be a factor to the same extent.

    (*) Obviously unless you're the prison rapist, in which case it's more "get to pound some kid locked up for marijuana possession in the ass prison", but let's not think about the logic of it too much.

  25. Re:Cowards by Sinthet · · Score: 2

    I highly doubt they're quitting. Regardless of whether or not they call themselves Lulzsec, I'm sure they'll continue trying to leak information and hack/deface websites. Breaking up Lulzsec may or may not be just an attempt to throw the Police off whatever trail they might have. Maybe this has to do with the direction of political hacking they started to adopt, I mean, continuing as Lulzsec while trying to release anything halfway serious just screams contradiction. There's plenty of things going on, but I don't think they're quitting totally. At most, the people behind the handles will create new handles and continue on their merry way.

  26. Re:Cowards by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Win the war, not the battle.

    Would that be the war against nintendo, minecraft, sega, or Eve Online?

  27. Ferengi rules of acquisition by deimios666 · · Score: 2

    Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

    --
    I think, therefore you are.
  28. MOD THIS UP by GauteL · · Score: 2

    Prison rape is not considered acceptable in the UK (or most of western Europe) and so the authorities actually try to stamp it out if it happens. As a consequence it is not a major problem.

    Prisons in Europe are thus not "Pound me in the arse prisons".

    I wonder if judges in the US ever factor this in when they decide upon a sentence.

  29. Re:They'll be back... by NCG_Mike · · Score: 2

    No, that's gorilla STRATEGY. Gorilla tactics is deciding who to fling poo at.

    I thought it was barrels?

  30. Re:They'll be back... by shumacher · · Score: 2

    You, my friend, have clearly never played that game.

    BASIC Gorilla tactics 101

    The tactics are to look at the wind-speed meter, consider elevation, and then try an angle and velocity that will strike the opponent with your explodo-banana. Refine your velocity and angle per the rules of "playing the odds" guess too much one way, and too little the other, then extrapolate the correct angle and velocity by interpolation.

    A quick search turns up this website that has a flash implementation of the game (covered with a skippable ad) that you may use to refine your "BASIC Gorilla" skills.

    No, that's QBASIC Gorilla tactics 101.