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LulzSec Announces That It Is Done
MaxBooger writes "LulzSec, the notorious hacker group that's been on a rampage, just announced that it's disbanding. This follows 50 days' chaos during which time it took down several websites (including CIA.gov at one point), exposed passwords, exposed documents of the Arizona penal system, and at one point threatened to hit Too Big To Fail banks. Obviously, it's possible that the group will not abide by its promise to quit. Nobody knows."
if you cant stand the heat, get your @$$ out the kitchen
Quitting while they're ahead.
The brightest flame burns quickest. I'm surprised things even got this far.
As much as I'm for protests and such, these kids were just out to cause harm because they could. They need to get a legitimate cause, and stop pissing on ( innocent ) people randomly, or be gone.
They give the rest of us a bad name.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Now we can finally bring the troops home.
So, when the dust settles, what's left to ask is simply: Who benefits from it?
I predict some new laws...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
This group is taking down many Brazilian government sites. Local Federal police is investigating.
Once their names started coming out, and their chat logs started being dumped, they sure did tuck their tail and run away quickly.
So the government project is done? did the government funded attacks, spark enough outrage to get new laws passed by the senate and house regardless of their long term damage?
Yes, and they had a document release planned for Monday. Something must have just happened.
What, life get too hard? Clearly someone got close to kicking them out of the game, and they ran before that would happen.
Win the war, not the battle.
Live to fight another day.
I can think of others. Basically sounds like a smart idea to me.
I don't remember them ever saying anything about limiting their hack-spree to 50 days. Sounds like they've pissed enough people off that they're starting to get ID'ed and arrested, and are hoping they can quit before it gets really bad. They're a bunch of weenies all right, but I don't think it's over for them. I for one will be lulzing my ass off when they all get caught and sent to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.
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You knocked on the devil's door my friends.
My totally random guess here is that they are a group of people who probably knew each other well before creating this group. More than likely they have just stopped calling themselves LulzSec. They're just getting too much scrutiny most likely. I don't think this is the last we hear from them, just they won't be calling themselves LulzSec necessarily...
...is whether everyone else is done with Lulzsec. Unfortunately, they've likely pissed off the kinds of people who don't stop the game just because the opponent wants to quit.
Tyrell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, Roy. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
Batty: I've done... questionable things.
Tyrell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
Batty: Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
maybe change their strategy and mix things up to evade capture, the world needs benevolent black/grey hat hackers to dig up dirty laundry on the establishment, let the government & police know that if they do wrong that it will be found out and exposed for all the world to see...
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
improve your backend before you start such endeavors.
So they're going to win the war by quitting, have I got that right?
See a history book on Vietnam for an example of how well that works out in reality.
Though "LulzSec" has disbanded. the members will probably merge back into Anon or start another group.
So expect a release on Monday as planned. It will just have a different name attached...
They think if they change their name it makes it harder for "the Suits" to catch up with them.
They may be right..........
BASIC Gorilla tactics 101:
10 Come together in a small group
20 Make a few big Bolshie attacks
30 Have a few lulz
40 Disband
50 goto 10
Laters Sol "Have you found the secrets of the universe? Asked Zebade "I'm sure I left them here somewhere"
These are not the droids you are looking for...
just sayin'...
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
Pathetic really. The only thing different is that these idiots have big mouths. Which, I bet, will be their downfalls. Nothing they did on the hacking side is impressive at all. Competent black-hats know that one of the most dangerous things you can do is public bragging. Having an information-channel back is beyond stupid.
Fortunately, law-enforcement has very long memories and a lot of patience. It is just relatively slow. I predict that we will see them all begging for mercy. Might take months or years, but they were far to careless not to get caught.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Excellent analogy, wrong conclusion. Know your objective, how what you're willing to invest to achieve it, and exit when you've reached your goal or exceeded your costs. LulzSec made some headlines and embarrassed a few major organizations. Going to jail isn't worth a few more headlines.
It's called cold feet. Too bad it's likely too late.
an advent calendar.
He who runs away today can run away another day - Brett Maverick (Or his 'pappy')
What's the deal here - is it past their bedtime?
#DeleteChrome
I have a hunch going to jail isn't even the worse threat they've encountered ...
Pound me in the ass prison?
That comes to mind to me.
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
Of course, if they are disbanding, then how can we know the elections will / wont be rigged?
I mean, the electronic ballot systems are totally secure right? We absolutely got those things top notch secure, and protected from insider rigging right? I mean, we won't have any of that 2004, 2000 DIEBOLD election scandal happening again. At least we can rest assured that since LuLzSec is disbanding, their rumor of rigging the elections with the most obvious method to show corruption in the election polls that it could never happen. again... right?
We all learned from the past right?
(hint hint... 2012 Elections are going to be rigged)
"Don't Forget to Salt the Fries"
Really though, would you do anything different? I can think of lots of worse things than being a 'coward'
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Worked well for the Communists, not so well for the South Vietnamese who weren't communist.
Also look at what happened during Tet '68 to non-communists in Communist controlled provinces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_at_Hu%E1%BA%BF.
On June 21st a suspected member is arrested in the UK, on June 25th they call it quits. The prospect of life in a British arse pounding prison was certainly a factor.
Other then a momentary loss of coordination and direction, the people that were doing this will, for the most part, be right back to doing this. LulzSec was an ad-hoc collection of individuals, and it will cost nothing for the people that were organizing and directing it to do the same thing again.
For gods sake, let it heal.
There is a history lesson alright: it was an idiotic fight picked by a bunch of paranoid lunatics. It killed, maimed and harmed a huge number of people for no reason at all.
Don't try to paint war-success stories from what is, at best, a cluster fuck of people that should know so much better.
At best, it is yet another lesson in how using weapons solves nothing. If I count correctly, the "using weapons group" is losing 30 to 1. When Afghanistan is over, it will be 31 to 1.
Does this mean Telstra can now fearlessly implement their internet filter?
A recent LulzSec post on twitter reads: "Oh, oh, finally! Media, please be sure to report on the actual files we leaked, not just our silly press statement. Much love. 3 Ciao. 3" As Rambo said, "Nothing is over!" At least, that's how I read it.
hey!
i mean that they managed to wreak havic on the net owing big fat companys in the face and even makeing the fbi look like a bunck of fuckwits in a span of nearly 3 months. but with that brings alot of fame and media attetion. at some point you knoe its time to stop before you get cought. most groups dont and well they get cought.
they dont need to rig them they aruldy are. bush getting voted in not once but twice proved that. untill the corprations lose controle of are goverment the elctions will never mean a thing.
...they got a note from Anonymous, and they realized they'd best go away... NOW!
Willie...
Agreed. Right now everyone who is anywhere in security is most likely hyperaware. I know at my company (a large carrier) we've done security audits across the spectrum to ensure customer data was well protected, along with proprietary info. It makes sense if they let the waters die down a bit, and then hit when people are soft and inevitably get lazy again.
If it was an actual member, you'd think more would have fallen like dominos afterward - the only guy they got was the guy who hosted the chatroom they used, probably not anyone actually important due to the lack of mass-arrests.
On June 21st a suspected member is arrested in the UK, on June 25th they call it quits. The prospect of life in a British arse pounding prison was certainly a factor.
The culture of institutionalised rape and its tacit endorsement as part of the punishment (*) is far more closely associated with the American prison system. I'm not saying it doesn't happen here, but it doesn't seem to be a factor to the same extent.
(*) Obviously unless you're the prison rapist, in which case it's more "get to pound some kid locked up for marijuana possession in the ass prison", but let's not think about the logic of it too much.
Perhaps there is a jurisdiction problem?
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I highly doubt they're quitting. Regardless of whether or not they call themselves Lulzsec, I'm sure they'll continue trying to leak information and hack/deface websites. Breaking up Lulzsec may or may not be just an attempt to throw the Police off whatever trail they might have. Maybe this has to do with the direction of political hacking they started to adopt, I mean, continuing as Lulzsec while trying to release anything halfway serious just screams contradiction. There's plenty of things going on, but I don't think they're quitting totally. At most, the people behind the handles will create new handles and continue on their merry way.
sorry for the bad modernization
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Wreak havoc, fail to achieve any of your stated political goals, declare victory, and run away because it's too risky to stay. It's not only crackers who are this wasteful and destructive to innocent people's property: take a look at the mess in Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Vietnam and Korea for examples in the last 60 years.
>Win the war, not the battle.
>Live to fight another day.
How about...
"I'm not like other people. Pain hurts me!" - Daffy Duck
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BMO
Win what? They weren't doing anything other than running tools other people wrote against pretty much random targets. They see that mr. cleary is about to start getting his shit pushed in for life and are hoping to avoid the same fate. Probably the smartest thing they've done in a while, really.
..set the oven to "Carbonize". The cost of hubris is always unaffordable.
Win the war, not the battle.
Would that be the war against nintendo, minecraft, sega, or Eve Online?
I thought I read they were asked by another organization to back off, so the new group could have a run at a few remaining easy targets. Whether or not each group has common membership, is more information than most are privy to, I suspect.
Maybe this is like corporate paper shuffling; knock down one organization ans start a new one, in order to start a new paper trail, and leave nothing worth sifting from the ashes of the previous?
Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan too. I mean why just single out Vietnam.
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We're getting offtopic here, but Bush wining the second time does NOT Prove that elections are rigged. What it actually caused Bush to get re-elected was a swift-boat campaign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiftboating on John Kerry right before the election.
I'm replying not to just be pedantic and correct you, I just want to raise awareness of the power of lying TV advertisements - if you know what swiftboating is, you will have the mental tools to recognise it when it happens and respond accordingly.
Do democracy a favor and forward that Wiki article around ;-)
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Yeah, Americans are always so proud of their prison system.
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So far. You talk as if no more arrests could be forthcoming.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear
Walk hand in hand
Disbanding not quitting.
Chaos and Order... Chaos contains the seeds of infinite possibility yet Order only contains the seeds of incremental change... It is through Chaos that we are forced to evolve but it through evolution that we have establish Order... it is the Tao of Order and Chaos defines our reality...
Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
I think, therefore you are.
So, does it mean they're done hacking high-profile sites or they're done publicly releasing the fruits of their hacks?
Appeal to hypocrisy is great!
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
well no matter how you see it your vote doesent mean crap you are voteing for 2 copys of the same problem.
Interesting.. but I had just read this after seeing this article and had to wonder.
once more into the breach
My 2 opnions 1 - lulzsec is a covert ops... from US gov. Bringing chaos to approve censorship in the internet. 2.1 - People that find out a way to exploit a big botnet network and taking advantage of the "heat of revolution" made a lot more people to "donate" their machines to a botnet, exploits, previous hacked documents. 2.2 - People that worked in a way to spread malware for a couple of months or years and built their own botnet network and taking advantage of the "heat of revolution" made a lot more people to "donate" their machines to a botnet, exploits, previous hacked documents. I strongly believe in the number 1.
Out of curiosity, I downloaded the "50 days of lulz" torrent from their website. There really isn't much to see, except about 100,000 email addresses with passwords (which would make a good lesson for non-tech folk about how weak most passwords are).
Whoop-de-doo.
Whoever these clowns are, they don't seem to be half of what they're cracked up to be.
You have trouble with synonyms, don't you?
You mean homonyms. For more information about the parent post, please see Muphry's Law.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
If Lulzsec's break-in methods were amateur, then what do you call the defences that were broken into?
Prison rape is not considered acceptable in the UK (or most of western Europe) and so the authorities actually try to stamp it out if it happens. As a consequence it is not a major problem.
Prisons in Europe are thus not "Pound me in the arse prisons".
I wonder if judges in the US ever factor this in when they decide upon a sentence.
Not all of us, let me assure you.
The ringing of the division bell has begun... -PF
LulzSec made some headlines and embarrassed a few major organizations. Going to jail isn't worth a few more headlines.
"LulzSec" already earned waiting spots in prison with what they've already done. Not doing anymore doesn't constitute "take back".
Know your objective, how what you're willing to invest to achieve it, and exit when you've reached your goal or exceeded your costs.
That sort of rationality doesn't really fit with doing it for the "lulz", does it? If so, things will become much more boring at MIT. If you are suggesting cold blooded calculation on their part, then that will only add to their misfortunes when they are prosecuted.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
"LulzSec" already earned waiting spots in prison with what they've already done. Not doing anymore doesn't constitute "take back".
Sure, but stopping the attacks is a good way to reduce the risk of getting caught in the future, if they aren't caught yet.
It's not like South Vietnamese didn't execute suspected Viet Kong sympathizers, either. Remember, South Vietnam at the time was a dictatorship, with all that entails. And it didn't exactly have much popular support among its own people, either.
Too bad if it's true. I wish somebody would actually PHYSICALLY take down Goldman Sachs, Chase Manhattan, et al.
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
What does it say about the state of security that a bunch of basement-dwelling, misguided teenage morons are able to do so much?
If you're going to arrest Mom and Dad, be sure to arrest all of the programmers and sysadmins who also made it possible. ;)
"Crack number 50 is the end of Unit A and our last one!" -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJjQM982S6s
Oh that totally makes it right. Thanks for the explanation, I think I can sleep well now.
The problem with the example you gave is that Kerry swiftboated himself in Vietnam. All his political opponents in 2004 did was draw attention to it.
Too late. They are going to be hunted down regardless of whether they quit or not.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Except from what we have seen their "attacks" were basic script kiddie bullshit and as we've seen time and time again script kiddies really aren't that good at covering their tracks.My guess is they realized they are looking at a good 20 years plus and are right now hiding under their beds hoping not to hear a knock on the door but it is probably too late for that now and the feds are just lining up the warrants before their doors come a crashing down.
After 9/11 the feds pretty much look at everyone as a potential terrorist and the fact that they cost corps money means the feds will get really nasty on them. Sorry Lulzsec but your days of freedom are numbered. Might as well go smoke some weed and get some hookers so you'll have some nice memories to look back on in PMITA prison.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Choosing not to be a cowardly, criminal, internet tough guy asshole doesn't make me a pussy. It makes me an adult. Now, shut the fuck up and try acting like an adult instead of the cowardly, criminal, internet tough guy asshole you are.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Vietnam was actually a good example of what he said. We won the battles but lost the war (and I need no history books, I know men who fought there, and I hauled aerospace ground equipment to the B-52a in Thailand toward the end of the war).
I'd be willing to bet that they'll regroup under another name.
LulzSeX: Laughing at your virginity! =)
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The "Lulz" part is in their motto: laughing at your security.
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At best, it is yet another lesson in how using weapons solves nothing.
As Salvor Hardin (Foundation, Asimov) said, "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent". But that could read that it's the first refuge of the competent; it's a poor atom blaster that won't point both ways.
That said, Vietnam was indeed a clusterfuck we should not have been involved in. Afghanistan was only a clusterfuck when we kept fighting after we'd defeated the enemy.
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The saying is a lot older than that, I remember hearing it in grade school, and I'm 59. Also, you misquoted the saying (which is probably older than I am): "he who fights and runs away lives to fight another day".
But there's an even older saying: He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
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We must be, since we have more prisoners per capita than any other country in the world (*hangs head in shame*)
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Maybe they're not afraid, or changing tactics, or gonna lay low for a while then rise up again. Maybe, if they are leaving, they just got bored? Trolling is only fun for a small while, and, then, only when you're the one doing the trolling. Once people bigger and stronger than you start to push their weight, it quickly becomes tedious and boring. They had their 15 minutes. They were, at their pinnacle, one of the most popular "organizations" in the world-- for months. Now they're bored. Their need for popularity has been satiated. Time to go. They'll still be there. They'll still hack. I doubt this is the end. In a year they'll start remembering all the shit they caused and get to wondering if they could do it again. It's possible that some of them won't want to come back cause they'll have moved on, and that's probably when they'll turn the others in. Boredom is a powerful motivator.
You betcha! Dump a handful of inmates from an American supermax into any prison in western Europe and they will be running the place in a week.
Dead in a week, you mean. You have a lot to learn about Eastern European values, apparently.
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you don't know who Brett Maverick is, do you?
look up movie quotes, it was a comedic interpretation of the saying when the character was trying to avoid fights while beating people at poker.
Do note that _western_ Europe was specified.
wow, he is so much less violent than the leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood (who kill prison guards to prove the point that they can't be controlled) it's not even a reasonable comparison. Proof that the most violent of UK prisoners doesn't have anything on the modestly "uppity" prisoners in the US.
Wait, wasn't it Brad? Or perhaps Burt?
That should go without saying. I'm guessing that this is a way for the members that don't think it's worth the risk to bow out and the rest to regroup.
The acts have been done. These script kiddies will have the police forces breathing down their necks for a while.
They said they were just pointing out security flaws but It was just an excuse for getting notoriety and getting their jollies at the same time. We know security sucks, we know a LOT of things suck in this world. We don't need to have it pointed out. I have a doubt security can really ward of a near infinite number of determined hackers anyway. Its little more than protection against folks that have better stuff to do. The one good thing for me, was listening to the reports at least provided a welcome relief from the mind numbing boring rehash about what some world leader or political party is doing. After the hearing about the same dead horse over and over on PBS I had to turn it off, lest I die of over exposure to politics. I thought it was pretty cool to turn down that 10k, but they could have just said send it to some charity.
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It makes me an adult.
Well, I guess that would depend on your definition of "adult." And "cowardly," as well. As for "criminal," well, I'd say that that hardly matters.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
For OCD purposes the quote from the movie is "My old pappy used to say 'He who fights and runs away can live to run away another day'" . It was "Bret Maverick". And in the end they had a line talking about how he always misquotes his dad.
The revolutiion? For some definition of worked. Ask the blacks and the indians how well it "worked".
Hard to say even the poor white folk really even benefited so much from the revolution
And we are still taxed without any representation in sight.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Did I say anything about making it right?
It's still British food.
If LulzSec hacking the Arizona State Police and posting SB1070 isn't enough to show that they are actually working for(or are) the Feds then I don't know where critical thought is. I am prepared to share! They aren't heroes. They are liberal jobby chasers and this leak must be like a nocturnal emission cum true.
The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
Just because they're quitting, it doesn't mean the FBI (et al) will. The police could come knocking at their door any day from now to a decade from now.
You're referring to the old TV show, right?
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I am sure that with last weeks post of certain claims of possible arrests made against the group, and that law enforcement are knowingly trying to attack a type of organization set up almost like cells, and that they are not going to stop individually, but would need some sort of trigger to force the end of all activity, this could be it.
You put on the web that certain members have been apprehended, and that they may have info on the rest of the group, which in turn would lower hacking activity as a safe guard, and then turn around and announce (falsely) that the group has announced they are disbanding, in an attempt to disorganize the group as they await orders from all the c.c. s....brilliant, too bad i posted this response, and now the cat is out of the bag....
or i could just have watched too many movies, one of the 2
There are already logs on pastebin that show that nearly all of the people from the leaked irc logs were also the big ringleaders in the anonymous attacks. They simply started working under the name LulzSec.
My biggest issue with all of this is that they inspired kids who think they're cool, to try to break in to servers and other people's computers. Even on something silly like Minecraft, kids are trying to "d0x" other users when they're mad. I don't believe these kids did any service to anyone but themselves. You can't even use the argument that "they were only showing it was too easy to get in, what if someone more malicious had done it?". How does that justify anything? They gave the accounts out to people who were then encouraged to get in to mischief themselves. They were encouraging other kids to become criminals just to have "fun".
If people behaved like this in real life, we would either be living in a society where vigilantism is the norm, or we'd be living in a police state within a decade. They did absolutely no good to anyone. Their intention was never to be good, it was to make names for themselves and feel powerful.
I really hope I'm not the only person who's sick of seeing Lulzsec on every single tech news site available. Maybe now I don't have to hear about their "escapades" everywhere I turn.
"...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected..." - Dennis Ritchie/Ken Thompson, 1972