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KDE 4.7 RC Is Here: GRUB2 Integration, KWin Mobile
dkd903 writes "KDE 4.7 is almost here and brings along with it a number of features and performance improvements such as a better Dolphin with a faster file search, ability of KWin to run on Mobile devices, Grub2 integration in KDM and offline search support in the KDE virtual globe, Marble." Here's KDE's own announcement of the release candidate; the final release is planned for July 27. Reader jrepin quotes the KDE announcement: "With API, dependency and feature freezes in place, the KDE team's focus is now on fixing last-minute showstopper bugs and finishing translation and documentation that comes along with the releases."
How about you do what you want to do, and let others do what they want to do, troll?
Qt is orphaned? Since when? Have any kind of link for it as I must have missed that?
QT hasn't been orphaned.
Maybe they even fixed some of the bugs. I can hope, anyway.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
You can boot in to a different distro without actually restarting the machine, with KDM.
Because KDM is not a window manager.
if you add new functions the library stays binary compatible, so if you try to run a program compiled for 4.0 and you have 4.7 it will run without problems
There's a plasmoid: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=115943
There are too many folks that use Qt to make large sums of money for it to go away.
It will find a good foster home and be well taken care of if it is ever actually orphaned.
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he is not trolling, kde is getting bloated more and more. f.e. kmail. worked flawless before kde-sc 4.6 with 4.6 it is unusable due the semantic desktop bullshit that made things much slower... even on an SSD drive... well that happens when you add another layer (db) between the files and the userinterface.... fuck kde i am close to switching to something else... virtuose-t is doing something right now. eating lots of cpu%. what does it do? i dont know, what is it for? i dont know. what features or advantages do i have from this process? i dont know. sounds pretty much like windows...
They keep talking about mobile devices. Is this just theoretical or are people actually running kde on real phones/tablets?
First of all, it's not a window manager, it's a desktop environment.
Secondly, it's so you can do this and walk away instead of sitting around while your computer thinks about how to be alive.
What was wrong with Konqueror? It may not be the best web browser, but it's the best file manager I've ever used. Dolphin, however, is a load of crap, in my opinion.
I suppose if you want to sit around while it shuts down, POSTs, and loads grub so you can catch it during that five-second window, you can go ahead. I would prefer to click a button and then walk away.
Which version of Gnome are you using? Right now, KDE4 is much more stable, and customizable than Gnome3. However if you're looking at Gnome2, I'd say it still beats out KDE4 in the "just works" department.
If I were choosing between the 3, it would look like this: Gnome 2 > KDE4 > Gnome 3
That being said, I'm using neither. When Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2 in the Arch Linux repository, I switched to XFCE4, and haven't looked back since.
well that happens when you add another layer (db) between the files and the userinterface
Uh, adding a database often speeds up data access.
Of course, whether MySQL was a wise choice is debatable. Tracker, for example, uses SQLite.
The main problem seems to be Strigi, which is the file indexer, because it scans your whole drive adding metadata to the database. If you disable that it'll probably help immensely.
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This may devolve into a vi/emacs debate, but I'll ask anyways. I'm running Ubuntu, and and quite happy with Gnome (having quickly borfed Unity). What could KDE offer that might convince me to try it out?
Well, we can argue better this and more refined that until we're blue in the face. Bottom line is that KDE offers a wholly-different perspective on what a Linux desktop user interface can do. Minimally, it's worth taking a look at, if only to broaden your horizons and solidify your preferences.
Personally, I find KDE to be a much more polished, integrated, and comprehensive suite than GNOME. It's snappy, sexy, and highly-configurable. In terms of appearance, KDE definitely has more of a stylistic Mac OSX-like approach and graphic set, though that's also highly-configurable. In fact, KDE's UI is so versatile that I could use KDE to recreate a default GNOME desktop without much effort. The applications tend to favor configurability over simplicity (which seems to be the opposite of much of GNOME's design choices). I can fine-tune most KDE applications to my personal, picky standards. Due to KDE4's kwin window manager rewrite, compositing (3D) effects are built into KDE's core, and are much more seamless than GNOME2's (although GNOME3 has followed suit).
Now, KDE has quite an advanced suite of applications that they bring to the table. However, keep in mind that almost every KDE application will run just fine under GNOME, and vice-versa. You can try almost any KDE application within GNOME should you find one you like (for example, I definitely prefer KDE's Konsole terminal over GNOME's gnome-terminal. The opposite is also true - any GNOME application will work just fine under KDE. You don't have to choose one over the other, though each is designed around and better-integrated with its native environment. Another winner is KDE's Amarok, which has long-held my personal favor as the best available audio player anywhere.
That said, I highly recommend giving it a shot. If you're using Ubuntu, you can try it with no risk by just installing the kubuntu-desktop and kde-full packages and choosing KDE as your window manager at login. It's worth a few days' trial to find out what you truly like.
You can boot in to a different distro without actually restarting the machine, with KDM.
Close, you still need to restart but you can specify the distro you want to boot into from the restart dialog.
KDE 4.2 ... 4.3 ... 4.4 ... 4.5 ...4.6 ... and we're already approaching 4.7. Does this mean a major update, KDE 5, is coming sooner than might be expected? If so, I hope it's just a logical update instead of a massive overhaul like KDE4 was... it was absolutely horrible at first, but now it's just getting good. I'd hate to see the KDE3 -> KDE4 cycle all over again. Hopefully they slow down and just start incrementing the next number to the right, or they go up to and past 4.10 (though in the project's history it doesn't seem like it's gone that far before in version numbering). Oh well, could be worse--it could be like Chrome and now Firefox.
No, just have limited time for trying out new stuff when what I have is working quite well.
If you have enough time to waste for Slashdot, you have enough time to try a live CD (either native or in VirtualBox).
Less text, less icons. If you need to have icons, make them BIG. Reduce the visible options.
Why should the KDE community mimic GNOME? GNOME exists already. There is no point in acting like GNOME with GNOME still very active.
Plasma Desktop and KDE Apps are targeted towards a different audience.
This!
Did exactly the same. Was a KDE user since before 1.0. I think it was KDE Beta 2 where I started. KDE 4.0 changed things for me. Why put up with all the worst aspects of a OSX like UI without the easy hardware configuration. May as well run OSX. SO now all my machines are Macs. I dont think OSX is as good as KDE 3.5 on Linux but its UI is only about as crappy as KDE4.X but I get to plug bits of hardware in without thinking too much about it. A real shame.
The OP may have been confrontational, but he wasn't trolling.
I switched to Trinity KDE because I hated KDE4.x so much. I just can't stand it. I actually kept using an old distro because I was unwilling to "upgrade" to KDE4.x, when I discovered the Trinity KDE project, it was such a relief. I was able to go to a much new distro but keep a user experience that didn't feel like I was using a big cell phone.
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the akonadi/nepomuk dependency? If not, wgaff? I won't touch desktop linux again until this semantic desktop bullshit runs its course and the kde devs/designers pull their heads out their asses. I've grudgingly switched my office (5 workstations) back to MS after 8 or so years on Debian/Ubuntu. Heaven forbid Microsoft ever figures out how to create a real shell, I'll never even have to think about it again. I mean seriously, fixed width, STILL have to hit that shitty little menu to copy and paste? Powsershell is better, but the bar was pretty frickin' low to start with. That said, I'm still finding Win 7 much more productive than the last two or three releases of KDE on Ubuntu. For the same reasons that I switched to Linux in the first place. I don't have to fight with it to do what I want (well, at least not as much as I have found myself doing with Linux the last couple of years). And Gnome still sucks. I LIKE QT. A lot. I like most things about KDE. But 25 Akondi processes running for PIM that I don't even use (Thunderbird+Lightning does everything my staff needs) makes me has angry as I would get buying a big-box HP desktop and spending 2 weeks trying to get rid of all the bloatware. Seems I only post here to bitch about what has happened to KDE/Ubuntu... I guess it's kinda like watching your sister get into porn. You can say you like it all you want, I loathe it.
for konqueror, I am not sure what you want. I don't remember a NeXT-like column view ever being available. If you mean the splitting of the interface recursively, it is still there.
new tab for konsole? just double-click on a free area of the tab bar.
Reintegrate file browsing into konqueror? Uh? type any local URL in the location bar, and you are browsing your files.
As for the desktop and panel right-click... Are you sure you are not confusing gnome and KDE. 'cause I can add any service menu to the right click. In fact the desktop and panel of KDE4 are way more configurable than the ones from KDE3.
But clearly, you must be an amazingly anal person to consider that the whole desktop is incomplete because you basically would like a button instead of a double-click. Seriously. Get some perspective.
I just haven't had this experience. My guess is that your graphics card is not well supported by the drives and KWin is thus running slowly and with lag. That'll make the whole experience suck. Indeed, that *was* my experience with KDE up until about 4.4 and especially 4.5 when numerous improvements were made to KWin. But many users are still left out in the cold.
As for the non-graphical stuff, I find it to be considerably snappier than Windows on the same machine. Apps start nearly instantly, and that's without the SuperFetch/ReadyBoost garbage that Windows loves (I very much enjoy having my computer nearly useless for 10 minutes after boot up because Windows needs to do heavy I/O on my HD for all of its caches -- and the apps don't even really start up super quick anyway!).
The one thing I've hated is the semantic desktop garbage. So I got rid of it and now it doesn't bug me anymore. You might want to consider turning that off. It can hog the CPU and HD and that would make things slow.