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Opera 11.50 Released

An anonymous reader writes "With a shiny new version of Presto that's apparently up to 20% faster, cool tweaks to Speed Dial, and a bunch of other features and bug fixes, the crazy Norwegians have just launched the latest version of desktop Opera."

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  1. Gray by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    20% faster, 20% cooler, and 30% more gray than before.

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    1. Re:Gray by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Sooner or later they'll find a way to eliminate the last bits of color as well.

    2. Re:Gray by djh2400 · · Score: 1

      I've wanted to use Opera for a while, but my main issue with it over the years has been how it blatantly ignores OS themes and comes charging in with its own crazy color schemes in stark contrast to everything else. I take it this hasn't been fixed, yet? It should have some sort of option to tick like Chrom[e|ium] to use the current desktop theme as best it can.

      (The last time I posted something like this someone modded me a troll... Please don't mod me a troll; I'm just a guy who likes visual uniformity across all of my applications! Honest!)

    3. Re:Gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20% cooler?
      Who do they think they are?
      Rainbow Dash?

    4. Re:Gray by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, there is a "system color scheme" (or similar; in dropdown) in that Shift+F12 dialog, but how that'll work for I don't know. I certainly do not have so many gray color text in my theme, but it is present in Opera.

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    5. Re:Gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should mail them and ask them to implement a theming functionality...

    6. Re:Gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As another poster mentioned, you can change it to use the system theme. There are also lots of skins you can download, some of them very nice. I like the glassy ones that utilize Aero like Z1 the most, but there are many other less "flashy" skins available too.

    7. Re:Gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tools -> Appearance (Shift+F12), Select "Windows Native Skin" (might require a download first, I don't remember)

      First thing I do when using Opera on Windows.

    8. Re:Gray by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      The native skin is what you are probably looking for. Every version of Opera that has had skins has had the option for a native skin. Right click a UI element, choose Customize, then Appearance, and click the Skins tab. In Windows at least it makes it look like a generic/standard Windows program.

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    9. Re:Gray by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Theming is no excuse for not following the OS visual style.

    10. Re:Gray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try omelion skin its wicked

  2. No WebGL... by gabebear · · Score: 1

    I was hoping that this would bring WebGL to the mainline Opera. The shipping Safari should be WebGL enabled soon and Chrome and Firefox are already here.

    1. Re:No WebGL... by Asmor · · Score: 2

      And nothing of value was lost.

    2. Re:No WebGL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still waiting for a real 3D screen.

      (Think of the titties!)

    3. Re:No WebGL... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it's missing. One thing less that I have to disable.

  3. Mail clients still in the 90s? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do all mail clients still look like outlook from the 90s? Give me a desktop mail client that looks like gmail and you'll gain a new user.

    1. Re:Mail clients still in the 90s? by bberens · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMHO this would be terrible. I like Gmail as much as the next guy.. it's my primary e-mail "client" but the most common feature I use in Outlook that is missing is sort by column. I use it constantly. The excellent search feature in gmail is a poor substitute. Also turning the "from" e-mail address on an e-mail you read into a meaningful contact is quite difficult in Gmail in comparison to outlook.

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  4. Opera knows how to celebrate by SJHillman · · Score: 2

    International pizza delivery is fun http://www.reddit.com/r/Random_Acts_Of_Pizza/comments/ib61w/offer_hello_internet_we_launched_a_new_opera/

    I downloaded it shortly after the download count exceeded the crew of the Death Star. As of right now, they're well past Rebecca Black dislikes

    1. Re:Opera knows how to celebrate by Bronster · · Score: 1

      We also had free icecreams for all staff in the canteen :) "be the first to taste the new browser, and taste some icecream too!"

      Even for those of us who don't actually work on the browser product itself (I do backend stuff for mail.opera.com)

    2. Re:Opera knows how to celebrate by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      A salute to the entire Opera team :) Now bonus points if you can make Opera mini/mobile available for the Nook Color without having to root the device.

  5. Most important part by ryantmer · · Score: 1

    Seems like the most important part was excluded - the download counter! http://www.opera.com/

    Currently, more people have downloaded Opera 11.50 than have disliked Rebecca Black!

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  6. Rushed Release by kyrio · · Score: 2

    Lots of bugs left in it. I'm still using it, because it is insanely fast, but I hope they release the next version in a week.

    1. Re:Rushed Release by Threni · · Score: 2

      I've played with most of the new browsers, especially all the Chrome and Firefox releases, and I've not noticed any speed increase whatsoever in any of them, from my humble laptop to my quad core 64 bit desktop. I'm not denying that they're faster, just that they were already fast enough for the stuff I do. A bit like when graphics card manufacturers were optimising 2d drivers to no end.

      Still, a faster Opera - that's going to make one or two people happy.

    2. Re:Rushed Release by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Insanely fast? I have Zimbra Webmail open in a tab (the only open tab at the moment), and it's almost unresponsive it's so slow. I'm waiting upwards of 10 seconds between clicking on an unread email and it opening in the preview pane below.

      I also have the same interface open in Chrome. It's instantaneous.

      Yeah, so, as usual I've uninstalled Opera, having been promised more than was delivered.

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  7. Random Freezing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did they fix the random freezing? No matter what computer I installed Opera on it would always freeze at random times. The interface wouldn't accepted input, it would just still there and then suddenly come back to life a minute later.

    1. Re:Random Freezing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, grammar correction. Sit there not still there.

    2. Re:Random Freezing by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      If it helps to know, I've used it for years on numerous machines and never seen this behavior.

      I'm not saying this to you to deny that it's happening, but rather so you have an extra information point to investigate the problem. I had a problem once with a machine locking up from time to time with a particular bit of software I was using and it turned out to be a problem with the network I was on.

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    3. Re:Random Freezing by BoogeyOfTheMan · · Score: 1

      I too have been using Opera for years on various OS's and machines. I've recently noticed the problem using Opera in Ubuntu since 10.10. I dont use my Windows7 partition enough to notice if it affects that OS as well, nor my Android phone. It used to only happen when I visited NHL.com, but lately it just kind of happens all over. Not frequently enough to really piss me off, just like maybe once every few days for 10-20 secs at a time.

      I also encounter a weird bug where text input wont work unless I give focus to the desktop and then return to the Opera window.

      I still prefer Opera to all other browsers I have tried though. I've been using and upgrading it since 9.x, so I still have the older user interface, not the new "glass" effect one. I really dont like that one much.

  8. Opera performance worsening trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been a Opera user for close a decade, but their recent updates has hurt its performance (with 60+ tabs and couple of windows open). It gotten so slow, that I had to change my habit and kept less number of tabs open, at which point alternative browsers (e.g. Chrome, Safari, FF) became more viable. I do my primary browsing with Chrome now, I hope that this update fixes the issues and Opera goes back to being as fast as it was under version 10.10.

    1. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 1

      This is sort of unrelated, but why do you have 60+ tabs open? I never have more than ten, and thats only when I'm wiki-crawling. I've always wondered why people have so many tabs open at the same time.

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    2. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      He likes to open each porn thumbnail in a new tab

    3. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I work on different projects, there are certain websites which have relevant information. I keep a window open for each project, and the tabs are the pages I need to reference again and again. Each project lasts for couple of months and in all likelihood I won't be needing those pages again after the project concludes.

      I used to bookmark, but then management of those bookmarks would become a hassle. Tools like Google Notebook have too much maintenance overhead for my purposes as well.

      I don't know how people work without ton-o-tabs open! Do they remember everything, write them down, copy-paste into huge static documents?

    4. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      In this case I am surprised he bothered to mention that. It sounds like bragging. I think Opera's problems take a lot less than 60 tabs to become apparent. I am an Opera user for over a decade. Nowadays I tend to have 5 to 10 tabs open at the most. And, even then, I experience a lot of slow down and generally terrible performance in the Windows version (same problems on XP Pro 32 bit, XP Home 32 bit, and 7 pro 64bit). I started to notice the problems with version 11 and since 11.50b1 came out I have reverted my Windows machines back to 10.63 for performance sake.

      The XP Pro 32 bit machine is dual boot Ubuntu 11.04. On Ubuntu there is no performance issue for me. It really seems to be the case that they borked their Windows version somehow.

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    5. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      They learned to work with bookmarks. And it's wonderful. There are also sessions if you really want it that way.

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    6. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      I think it's really Flash's fault. I've put "disable plugins" right in my adress bar, and disable them most of the time. I usually have about 20 open tabs, on an E-350. No more slowdowns. They should do an "enable plugins for 5 mins" options, so I wouldn't have to go back and re-disable them, though.

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    7. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      Me too ! It's funny, 'coz I'm bitching about Opera focusing too much on benchmarks, and not enough on features.

      Especially they are in the best place to allow us to really synch browsers across OSes, formats... : open tabs ,cookies, position in page... Why on earth are they waiting for someone else to beat them to the punch ?

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    8. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by xaxa · · Score: 1

      This is sort of unrelated, but why do you have 60+ tabs open? I never have more than ten, and thats only when I'm wiki-crawling. I've always wondered why people have so many tabs open at the same time.

      Laziness, convenience, and because it (somehow?) works fine in Opera. I often middle-click 10 links from a single page (e.g. search results on a shopping site), then 10 more (from the next page of search results), then go through the resulting 20 tabs.

      I have just 15 open here (home), but at work there are probably about 35. My brother (on the rare occasion I see his computer) seems to have about 200 tabs open in Opera all the time, my mum about 100.

      (Of my open tabs, four are the forgotten tabs of the search I did for a recipe earlier, three are the remaining interesting /. stories, five are documentation from a project I was working on months ago, ... you get the idea)

    9. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows ain't ready until FF and Opera don't work well?

      chrome gets a free pass because evil does not fight against evil :P

    10. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      I thought that too. But I found the browser would actually lock up more with the plugins disabled. I read on the Opera forums about someone getting a performance boost from enabling plugins. I did that and saw a big difference. With them disabled, any time a plugin was requested, the browser locked. On a particularly grueling test page I found it would take up to 25 seconds more to load the page from an empty cache with plugins disabled than with them enabled.

      That's on my windows computers only though. The same page on Ubuntu with plugins disabled would take less than half the time and enabling plugins slowed down the page loading.

      Also, I have found that disabling plugins doesn't actually disable plugins. There is javascript code that can still load Flash content onto the page even if you disable plugins in Opera.

      I've watched the requests the browser makes and tried to make test pages with different elements to see if I could intentionally trigger problems, but so far I haven't found any rhyme or reason to the performance issues.

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    11. Re:Opera performance worsening trend by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      I've had similar problems with Opera ever since they introduced tab stacking. Before all the tabs would get so thin that I couldn't see the contents (I like the thumbnail sized tabs) so I'd eventually kill a few off to clear some space. Now that I can stack tabs, I just put stuff together (say all the relevant Java docs for a project) and compress it when I'm working on something else. Probably have around 50 open now, but only 12 tabs (including email) are visible.

  9. Atlantic Swim by Metabolife · · Score: 1

    Now that Tetzchner left, who is going to swim to Norway at for 1 millionth download?

    1. Re:Atlantic Swim by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1, Funny

      It always makes me flinch when purple I run into a random word thrown into the middle of a sentence.

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  10. I think I speak for the world at large here. by deadhammer · · Score: 1

    Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

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    1. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

      It's a browser with the features FireFox will have in a year or so.

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    2. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I guess you didn't get the memo, Firefox is copying a different browser now. Opera is a browser that survived despite being first payware then adware while IE and Mozilla was giving it away, it was that good. Sadly they went freeware too late and never caught the wave as Firefox broke the IE monopoly, otherwise they could have been where Chrome is today. The last releases haven't been all that, sure it's still a great browser but it doesn't really pack anything unique anymore. Between Microsoft, Mozilla, Google and Apple I don't think Opera will ever make any serious progress on the desktop. I stayed with it from version 5 to 10 but they lost me to Chrome and I think it's just a core of diehards that keep the marketshare they got.

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    3. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      The last releases haven't been all that, sure it's still a great browser but it doesn't really pack anything unique anymore.

      Uh, yeah, I use both Opera and Chrome and .. no, that is not true. Chrome's UI has a lot of catching up to do.

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    4. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a beta testing platform for future Firefox and Chrome features coming in a year or so. Fixed that for .. never mind.

    5. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Idbar · · Score: 1

      Op-what, now? Is that some sort of web browser or something?

      It's a browser with the features FireFox will have in a year or so.

      And the popularity Firefox had in 2004.

    6. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just the UI either. People who don't use Opera or simply dabble with it don't understand just how much functionality and customizations it offers. Opera is damn near its own OS, yet uses less system resources and is faster than the other browsers.

    7. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess Russia isnt part of the world... In-fact Opera is quite big in a few countries so you are basically talking for the usual western nations, but thats fairly typical...

    8. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the same way re: Opera's missed opportunity. The biggest thing Firefox seems to have actually innovated was their business model, so I'll give them credit for forcing Opera to see the wisdom in making it available freely and without ads. It's such a shame because I've been using Opera for at least a decade, and after all this time I still end up at sites that won't let me in because they block anything that isn't IE-Chrome-Firefox.

    9. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by pbhj · · Score: 1

      >sure it's still a great browser but it doesn't really pack anything unique anymore

      Opera Unite?? What other browser has a web server in it?

    10. Re:I think I speak for the world at large here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other browsers do it with the help of a rootkit. ;)

  11. Re:Really? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Why not, we still get Linux news here.

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  12. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why not, we still get Linux news here.

    At least we haven't seen OpenBSD news in a while...

  13. I really want to like Opera but... by rueger · · Score: 2

    I don't know how many times I have installed and abandoned Opera. I really, really want to like it!

    This time it downloaded and installed easily on my Ubuntu box, but when launched it declared that Flash was not installed on my system.

    Of course, it is.

    Still, clicked through the Adobe website, clicked the "Download" Flash link, and... well, nothing. It just sat there.

    Yet again, Chrome wins.

    (Tho' I do love Opera on my Android phone)

    1. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which pretty much means it does not know where exactly Flash is installed. There is an option in, duh, options to set that.

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    2. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by dreemernj · · Score: 1

      Strange. I installed it on Ubuntu 11.04 and everything just worked. I guess mileage can always vary.

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    3. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by rueger · · Score: 1

      Never had to set no option for Chrome. Or Firefox.

    4. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're using Ubuntu and not getting it via the repository? What the hell are you doing?

    5. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by fafaforza · · Score: 2

      So you'll damn the browser because you're too lazy to do 3 minutes' worth of googling. Aren't most things a PITA on Linux? I'm surprised you even chose it as a desktop if you don't want to deal with minor annoyances like that.

    6. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On your Ubuntu box? Didn't you have to enable non-free in a package manager somewhere not even in the browser before flash is even an option in Firefox?

    7. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Not that its the end of the world, but that seems like the kind of thing that falls under the category of "essential polish". Ubuntu isnt exactly some obscure form of linux, either.

    8. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Aren't most things a PITA on Linux?

      Chrome and firefox figure it out, I think its fair to take some marks off when such a huge bit of polish is missing.

    9. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Opera mini really is fantastic. I know it's a bit hacky in how it works, but I don't care. It's a hack that works. I have a amazingly cheap old android tablet, and browsers are among the heaviest things on it. All except opera, which just flies.

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    10. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A browser that forces you to research how to get something to work, instead of doing it the right way, deserves to be damned!

      I had the same problem w/ both Opera & Flock. In case of Flock, after going to their users group, I was told to copy the Firefox plugin folder to the Flock under /usr/lib, and once I did that, the problem got solved. It didn't however work for Opera.

      Why can't Opera do what Chrome does, and just include Flash in it, so that people don't have to go thru this. And if a Flash version is getting updated, have ways of doing it via their own site if Adobe doesn't support it for their browser, via both yumm or apt-get?

      Just b'cos I picked Linux over Windows doesn't mean that I want to go into dependency city, and find out which files to move from which folder in /usr/lib/opera (or flock). Oh, and one more thing about Opera - one version stored things in /usr/lib/opera, and another in /usr/lib/opera10. And the latter complains about an incompatibility that didn't exist in version 9.x

    11. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked, Opera's Linux downloads were only available via .rpm or .tar.gz, not via .deb. So Ubuntu would be a case of re-compilation

    12. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu users who go to Opera's download page will be offered a .deb package that automatically sets up the Opera repo for further updates.

      Your talk of "re-compilation" for a closed source program like Opera makes me think you are a troll.

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    13. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but especially with flash it could become multiple days of googling fast. I'm sorry, but things like that just need to work. On my system, with Opera, if I want to safe a picture the "save as..." dialog box is modal but does not get focus. That kind of stuff irritates the hell out of me. I googled that, but no dice.

      But then, we are still living in a world (soon to be deprecated) where a browser - any browser - cannot always find the right application, and asks the user to suppy the binary file, starting in his home folder. So you have to be a bit lenient towards these complex products.

    14. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still, clicked through the Adobe website, clicked the "Download" Flash link, and... well, nothing. It just sat there.

      You're doing it wrong.

      When people spend hours/days/weeks of their lives creating package managers and packages for you, please, please for the love of all that is holy use the package manager.

      Now, back to your problem. I'm not sure what's gone on here because Opera tends to look in the Firefox plug-in directory too. I think you've managed to specifically disable flash.

    15. Re:I really want to like Opera but... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Aren't most things a PITA on Linux?

      No. Most things are very easy. Often they are easier than on OSX or Windows. Modifying a human-readable flat file is easier than modifying a plist or the registry and when using OSX or Windows I regularly have to do these things, respectively.

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  14. Highly recommended! by dejanc · · Score: 2

    I'm using Debian Squeeze which comes with Firefox 3.5 as default. I was happy with this browser, but I wanted latest and greatest so I upgraded first to 3.6 and then to 4. As much as I liked it, it was very slow - I'm not talking about academic javascript benchmark results, but stuff like opening heavy pages like GMail, or tab animations, various UI stuff, etc. None of it was deal breaking, but hey, after spending as much money on hardware as I have, I really expect things to fly. Instead, I had significant UI lags.

    So, I tried Opera. It took some getting used to and it misses some options that I depended on on Iceweasel (namely, being able to not allow sites to define their own fonts), but I mostly found workarounds, and I must say I'm very happy with it.

    Opera is much snappier than Firefox and Opera's QT integrates well into my XFCE environment with GTK+ gui style. I don't know what is the problem with firefox - bad 3d drivers (nvidia) or something else, but at this day and age, I really shouldn't have to suffer from slow UI.

    I am still to try to replace Thunderbird with Opera's email, and I am looking forward to testing it.

    1. Re:Highly recommended! by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      namely, being able to not allow sites to define their own fonts

      You probably want "Preferences / Advanced / Content / Style options... / Presentation modes / Author mode / My fonts and colors" option.

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    2. Re:Highly recommended! by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      I run Opera in Fedora 15 and Mint(various versions) on netbooks and old PCs and it seems to usually have better flash performance than Firefox 3 or 4. For general browsing and news reading Opera is my favorite browser.

    3. Re:Highly recommended! by LaissezFaire · · Score: 1

      I do like opera's email (aka M2), but I still have thunderbird installed, mostly because Opera has never included S/MIME or GPG/PGP support. Nor smart card authentication, for that matter. I've been using Opera since version 3, and even paid for versions back when that was their model. I just wish they'd let me digitally sign emails and login to websites with my smart card.

  15. An irrilevant poll by pmontra · · Score: 1

    How about a /. poll about the reasons for why Opera keeps having a very low user percentage after 15 years or development? Firefox and Chrome came from nowhere and succeeded, Opera has a small loyal user base and doesn't get any more than that. What I can remember about all those years of using Opera as a browser for compatibility tests is a lot of little details done in very peculiar and non standard ways that made the browser a little annoying to use. I've got a feeling that most of those issues have been fixed but still... look at that red Menu (I've got a blue desktop theme) and that O in my status bar which no other browser dares to touch.

    Ok, that's it. Don't bash me too much for these ramblings.

    1. Re:An irrilevant poll by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Firefox and Chrome came from nowhere and succeeded,

      Firefox came from Mozilla which came from Netscape which came from "NOT MICROSOFT!". That created a lot of early support.

      Chrome came from Google and seems to be one of those things that Google likes to sneak in during installs of something else that you really do want. You know, that small print with the pre-checked approval to "also install X?" during the installation process for something else.

    2. Re:An irrilevant poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a /. poll about the reasons for why Opera keeps having a very low user percentage after 15 years or development?

      Firefox succeeded because it came at a time when the alternative web browser (IE, basically) was so horrible, people were actively searching for something else. Pair that with a strong open-source backing and a great plug-in system, and your knowledgeable computing individual switched to it easily. It only followed from there that he/she recommended to friends, family, etc.

      Chrome, on the other hand, came when browsers (as people understood it) were Pretty Good. They weren't great (compared to what we have now), but they were pretty good. However, Chrome was targeted to be fast, lightweight, secure, etc. And, it most definitely was. Pair that with a company with a heavy internet presence, who marketed Chrome very well, and Chrome jumped out ahead.

      Opera is a decent browser (no, not perfect, but it is good). However, it doesn't have the marketing swing behind it that the other two browsers had. Despite what us geeks want to think, marketing does a lot in the way of introducing people to new products and alternatives. That, in my opinion, is where the difference lies.

    3. Re:An irrilevant poll by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      It helps that Chrome has a lot of advertisements, and is featured on a site visited by a billion people a month. Firefox came out before Opera was free, so it was a much better choice at the time.

    4. Re:An irrilevant poll by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 1

      Plus Chrome did some real hardcore advertising, like giant posters in Paris subway and probably lots of other things I'm not aware of. I don't think any other browser ever did anything similar, or even any other piece of software as far as I know. The Google guys definitely have some capacity at moving the lines.

    5. Re:An irrilevant poll by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      For the early part of Opera's life it was free if you wanted it to display adds, or you had to pay for it. They did finally make it free, but it was too little too late. Mozilla had already gotten the Not Microsoft market. Apple with the iPod halo released Safari based from WebKit which made WebKit possible allowing Google Chrome to come in. With Apple and Googles Advertising budget they got the WebKit browsers into place, and Firefox became popular because IE started to really stink as IE 6 was becoming more and more unusable over the ages.
      When Opera became free as in beer without adds, there was some buzz but people already had their habits and never really advertised much about it.

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    6. Re:An irrilevant poll by DrBoumBoum · · Score: 1

      Also Opera did break a lot on a lot of sites and apps, so it was almost unusable for quite a while; to the very least it was out of the question to advise it to coworkers who were still using IE6, you had to push them to FF because with Opera they would come back to you after five minutes asking "why doesn't it work?" The Opera team used to hate to be reminded of that fact and they did vehemently defend their software, arguing that it was all the fault of developers testing against IE6 and FF and calling it a day, so FF had ind of a "free pass" regarding Javascript compatibility, and that they had done everything humanely possible to take care of this issue.

      Then out of the blue came Chrome with a totally different JS engine but for whatever reason it "just worked" on 95% of all sites, even at the very beginning. After that, Opera's level of compatibility did quickly improve up to a point where with version 11 it seems now to be 98% compatible with the web (Google apps excepted but I've read it's by design from the G team, is that true?). So it seems they did find a way to improve things once it was obvious that others were doing better - competition does look quite beneficial to the industry, doesn't it?

    7. Re:An irrilevant poll by gsnedders · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To speak as an Opera employee (albeit only for the past couple of years â" two years tomorrow, actually) for once:

      While certainly some people in the company vehemently defended it, as you put it, the number of people internally who'd say that it wasn't a problem for us to fix were in a minuscule minority. Certainly, from around a decade ago, we've ended up with more non-standard IE extensions implemented than FF have, which led some sites to work better in Opera than FF, though on others (to this day) sends us down the wrong code-path due to broken browser-sniffing.

      I'm not really convinced it was the market that pushed site-compat to get to where it was today: it was more the gradual effort over a number of years towards it, and in general on the web you're either fairly badly broken (as Opera was) or stuff pretty much works (as all major browsers are like now).

      To be fair, there have also been cultural changes within the company. For example, we have over three times the number of automated tests today than we had when I started, which has massively reduced the number of regressions, thus allowing developer time to be spent more on fixing bugs once.

      Note that with 10.50 we introduced an entirely new JS engine, which worked with pretty much the same amount of the web as the one in 10.10. That's what I've spent the majority of my last couple of years working on, and the fact we shipped it working just as well as the previous engine, having developed it in less than half the time that it took V8 to reach beta, is a testament to our testing nowadays.

      We don't have the thousands of users of every nightly FF and Chrome have â" we very much have to get it right first time, and that presents a far harder challenge, yet now, we are succeeding. Hurrah!

      One final note on Google Apps: they don't officially support us, quite often doing stuff using non-standard stuff (often with one codepath for IE, using non-standard stuff; one codepath for FF, using different non-standard stuff; and yet another codepath for WebKit, using yet again different non-standard stuff), making it hard for us to know what to do. (Do we try and copy the non-standard FF/WebKit stuff? They're trying to get rid of a lot of their non-standard stuffâ¦) Hopefully, sometime soon, this will change, and we'll be officially supported.

    8. Re:An irrilevant poll by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Firefox came from Mozilla which came from Netscape which came from "NOT MICROSOFT!". That created a lot of early support.

      That and Slashdot mentioning Firefox/Mozilla as often as it mentions Apple today.

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    9. Re:An irrilevant poll by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Firefox didn't come from nowhere. How many years have we had topics on /. about it passing IE in market share.

      It is Chrome that came out of nowhere, but I'd bet that the adoption rate -- as compared to Opera -- has a lot to do with Google's reach into most parts of everyone's every day usage (gmail, calendars, etc, etc). Feature wise, it's probably on par with Opera, but I don't use Chrome to say anything insightful about a direct comparison.

    10. Re:An irrilevant poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, I don't use Opera, but I would like to say congratulations on a) getting the release out and b) your anniversary with the company.

    11. Re:An irrilevant poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's awesome. I've been using Opera since some of the early days, and can't imagine life without it. Opera was blocking pop up ads back when 90% of people were using IE and complaining about the abundance of pop up ads. They've innovated so much and never get any credit in a world where the other browsers can so freely 'borrow' ideas.

      And sites that actively block anything apart from IE-Chrome-Firefox continue to be the primary bane of using Opera. I can understand that they can't possibly tailor sites to every flash-in-the-pan browser, but I don't understand the refusal to acknowledge one that's been around for as long as Opera and has a decent (if woefully minor) percentage.

      Yet lately my fear is over Opera adding so many nuisances that it compels me to switch to a lesser browser like Chrome. It seems like the last several updates have included terrible things enabled by default like the UI for mouse gestures, the auto-image-scaling-to-fit (which hopefully this latest version allows us to finally disable), and some of the ire-inducing bugs like the broken paste-and-go. I hope that culture still recognizes the important of Opera being so completely customizable, as opposed to Google's one-size-fits-all approach or Microsoft's perplexing model of making their browser as generally unusable and hideous as possible.

    12. Re:An irrilevant poll by Missing.Matter · · Score: 1

      And sites that actively block anything apart from IE-Chrome-Firefox continue to be the primary bane of using Opera.

      This pisses me off as well, but it's usually an artificial limitation.They basically say if(IE,FF,Chrome,Safari) then pass, else block. If you change your user agent to identify as one of the pass browsers, the site usually works fine.

  16. Does it render linear gradients properly yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I reached my bandwidth limit for the month so I'm shaped and it's still downloading, can someone confirm if you see the text?

    1. Re:Does it render linear gradients properly yet? by ledow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you use compliant CSS, yes it does:

      http://devfiles.myopera.com/articles/5042/gradients_demo.html

      renders fine, for instance.

    2. Re:Does it render linear gradients properly yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That page is missing the compliant CSS test case initially linked to, which is visible in Chrome and Firefox, but not Opera.

  17. Oh, Firefox... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

    Look. See? This is how you do it.

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    1. Re:Oh, Firefox... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Apache foundation is too busy takin gon software projects to do actually manage the ones they have. They just took on Subversion: talk about a project whose time came and when the previous generation of CVS oldtimers discovered that storing passwords in clear text is really stupid, and went 20 minutes after git was published by Linus Torvalds.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

  18. I'm concened about Opera by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    I like them a lot, and I've been using them for ages. but with that new numbering scheme, it looks like FFox should overtake them in no time, and then I'll just have to switch ?

    Plus, Opera are clearly pussies: .39 upgrades ? really ?

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  19. Blurry mess by xiox · · Score: 1

    Seems like Opera ignores the anti-aliasing settings. I've switched anti aliasing off in both environments, but opera blurs ahead anyway.

    1. Re:Blurry mess by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      I just installed 11.50 and also noticed this. The previous version did not seem to have this issue. I will continue to use it for general browsing / news reading, I tried a few different firefox speeddial addons and could not find one that I liked.

  20. CSS3 Still Broken by Spigot+the+Bear · · Score: 1

    And yet, it still can't render CSS3 colors correctly. What's the problem here? Wasn't Opera at the forefront of web standards compliance at one point?

    1. Re:CSS3 Still Broken by rrossman2 · · Score: 1

      So is that a test page using the actual CSS code? Or a static page just showing what it looks like in Opera? If it's the first option, then Chrome doesn't do it right either per that page (but I know Opera, Chrome, Safari, Firefox work on opacity with RGBA just fine on DIV's)

  21. It's really nice (been running the betas here) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opera 11.50 "Swordfish" is FAST, & stable!

    (Bigtime!)

    Far more stable than Opera 11.11 was for me (Opera 11.1 was better) - In fact, I submitted so many bug/crash reports on Opera 11.11, in many of them I wrote that I was going to stop using Opera in lieu of Chromium...

    * Guess what? The boys @ Opera stepped up to the plate & hit a home run on Opera "swordfish" 11.50 in my book...

    (They have done a great job this round, no questions asked!)

    APK

    P.S.=> The F A S T E S T & most natively feature-laden browser, just got even BETTER, yet again - time for everyone else to play "catchup ball" & imitate them as-per-usual!

    ... apk

  22. Re:Blurry mess (SOLVED) by synapse7 · · Score: 1

    Turn off automatic zoom.

  23. Re:Really? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Well that is because the users couldn't figure out how to get X working. I don't think Slashdot will work well under lynx anymore.

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  24. If you want to enjoy the Opera browser.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you people want to enjoy the Opera browser at its best, then you should customize it; by enabling and customize the mouse gestures, arrange for adding multiple lines of a combination of boomarks and folders on the "personal bar" for quick access to bookmarks, removing unnecessary buttons and adding ones you think you might need.

    A preference editor is available by typing the following into the url field: "opera:config"

    Improved bookmark handling with Opera seem imo to be something to be desired, at least with versions up to 11.11.

    1. Re:If you want to enjoy the Opera browser.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >removing unnecessary buttons and adding ones you think you might need.

      Ha.
      Ha.
      Ha.

      I've tried for years to add cut and paste buttons for Opera. Guess what? They've always though that their doubleclick method of text selection was best... and never allowed for such buttons to be customized in.
      What's the result? I've stuck with firefox, and wrote them off.

      Wake me up when they graduate to 20th century user interface design.

  25. Why Opera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because it can scroll through a whole page of slashdot comments smoothly. On any zoom setting. Under both linux and windows. But no worries, Firefox fans, you'll get equal performance by FF34872e12.

    1. Re:Why Opera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it can scroll through a whole page of slashdot comments smoothly. On any zoom setting. Under both linux and windows. But no worries, Firefox fans, you'll get equal performance by FF34872e12.

      Agreed. And look at Chrome. It claims to be all this and that in the speed department - but when rendering big pages or zooming in and out of them, it is noticably slower than Opera, though better than Firefox.

  26. Hardware acceleration by lyinhart · · Score: 1

    Too bad hardware acceleration didn't make the cut yet. It was available in a test build though. I'm looking forward to their implementation of hardware acceleration - it uses OpenGL instead of Direct2D on Windows. I've had all kind of problems with Direct2D (namely, it doesn't seem to accelerate much of anything - not even supposedly basic stuff like scrolling).

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    1. Re:Hardware acceleration by Glonk · · Score: 1

      You're going to be in for a rude surprise.

      OpenGL drivers on Windows are awful, DirectX is where all of the development effort goes on driver teams. At work we wrote our app using OpenGL for a 3D overlay because we ship on Windows, Mac, and Linux, but on Windows we took the time to write a DirectX backend instead of OpenGL and the stability and performance shot up noticably. OpenGL is a forgotten "checkbox feature" on Windows today, not much more.

  27. Wake me up... by toxygen01 · · Score: 1

    ... when they are open source.

    Been using opera for good 5 years, but realized, even though it's tab & download management is much superior to other browsers, chrome (and/or firefox) are just easier to get on with, because they are essentially open. If competition can be open, why can't we?

    1. Re:Wake me up... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      You're already posting at +2, why are you karma whoring now?

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    2. Re:Wake me up... by XahXhaX · · Score: 1

      That's a trivial non-point. I'm sure it's a devious statement to make on Slashdot, but open software does not necessarily mean _better_ software. See Windows vs Linux, iPhone vs Android, Nintendo DS or PSP vs one of those Chinese handhelds, and of course Opera vs Firefox.

      Opening Opera would gain absolutely nothing beyond appealing to OSS zealots, especially now that they've stolen/adopted Firefox's plugins model.

  28. NoScript, AdBlock, and Scrapbook? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

    Is the javascript whitelisting comparable to NoScript yet in terms of effectiveness and ease of use? Is there an equivalent to AdBlock Plus and Scrapbook? If a non-firefox browser would incorporate those features as standard and do it well, I would be happy to give them a try. Especially with Firefox's idiotic rapid release numbering scheme I am ready to try some alternatives.

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    1. Re:NoScript, AdBlock, and Scrapbook? by massysett · · Score: 1

      Take a look at Privoxy for ad blocking. It is browser independent.

    2. Re:NoScript, AdBlock, and Scrapbook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is the javascript whitelisting comparable to NoScript yet in terms of effectiveness and ease of use? Is there an equivalent to AdBlock Plus and Scrapbook? If a non-firefox browser would incorporate those features as standard and do it well, I would be happy to give them a try. Especially with Firefox's idiotic rapid release numbering scheme I am ready to try some alternatives.

      NoScript is built in.
      AdBlock Plus is also built in.
      This seems to be an alternative for scrapbook: http://my.opera.com/Dmitry%20Antonyuk/blog/show.dml/354749

      Also, Opera still has a reasonable numbering scheme lol.

  29. Re:with the features FF will have in a year or so by kermidge · · Score: 1

    ....often done with more thought and better execution.

  30. I bet the bug I reported still isn't fixed... by toxickitty · · Score: 1

    Set a wallpaper with Opera in Windows go to your pictures folder and observed unstandard bmp files that do not show up right with Windows Picture Viewier. Never fixed forever...

  31. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot doesn't work well in any browser anymore. ;_;

  32. Hooked on Firefox by Foxhoundz · · Score: 1

    As of now, Firefox has become so bloated that the only way I can rationalize why I bother with it is because of the robust addon support. That's it. I can no long say it's fast nor easy to use. I've been using Opera on and off, but in the end, I realize I can't survive the internet without AdBlock, Tamper Data, and Firebug, forcing me to come crawling back to the Fox.

  33. Not really relevant anymore by gullevek · · Score: 1

    Their GUI still looks horrible in OS X. Like a home made app by someone who never heard about the native UI. Besides that there is no real reason to use it. But still I try it every time, just for the fond memories I have of it. Back when Netscape 4 was horrible and Opera 3 ruled them all. And was worth to be payed ... yes, worth it.

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  34. more cross platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your OS ain't Windows, you lose IE, and if your OS ain't OS-X, you lose Safari as well. In other words, if you use bsd, linux or any of the other unixes, your only choices are Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and also throw in Epiphany & Konqueror. Until a couple of months ago, Flock too was available.

    I just wish Opera had distributable both .rpm as well as .deb. I also wish updates on Linux were smoother - the few times I've tried it, it ended somewhat disastrously. So I had to use Konqueror, Firefox & Flock (I use different browsers for different websites, depending on what I'm doing @ any given time) If a new versatile browser came along, I'd probably find a use for it as well.

  35. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not, we still get Linux news here.

    At least we haven't seen OpenBSD news in a while...

    How about Minix 3? I am interested in that!

  36. The Future of web browsing by tielenaar · · Score: 1

    I'm currently using Opera 16, testing the new Time Travel function. It really works its wonders, I wonder if Chrome will implement this too in version 287. --Sent from my iBrainimplant

  37. Opera needs better download manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Opera would integrate a multi-part download manager like DownThemAll for Firefox, I would drop FF immediately. That's the only reason I use FF.

    I don't like stand-alone download manager programs running whenever I try to download something. Most of them are really clunky and catch links that I don't want to download through them.

    I'm a huge fan of Opera, but the download manager absolutely needs DtA's functionality.

  38. updated opera to 1150 yesterday, BUT BUGS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prior to the 1150 I had no bug issues at all with Opera.

    My Bug Beef with 1150 -
    ***** Suggestion: Since I'm not into the transparent thing. To difficult to read the menus. There should be a way to turn it off in Preferences.

    ***** IF the Speed Dial icons were not dysfunctional as far as the zoom feature (HOW WE SEE IT WITH OUR EYES), and updated upon touching the adjuster w/out having to restart browser to see changes, AND were somehow SEPARATELY ADJUSTABLE from the rest of the browser, that'd be great.

    ***** AND if the zoom feature was as it was PRIOR to the 1150 upgrade, I'd have no issues with the 1150.

    i LOVED OPERA BEFORE THE 1150 UPGRADE. very content, didn't see need for improvement.

    FAST, easy, very cool features etc... BUT now there is a bug in the Speed Dial Visual where the ZOOM feature on bottom right that was similar to IE ( I HATE IE). Now its different and harder to find.

    its for my DAD who's older & very NOT PC literate (but learning fast ). I was just getting him to understand this, and now I have to reinstall the earlier version of Opera until I read that the bugs are worked out.

    BUT, I cannot figure out how to save all the book marks to re-insert them. Hes running WIN-7 (I HATE WINDOWS 7) - cant seem to find what i need, when i need, inside the system. maybe i'm daft.

    Some of the bookmarks are important so I guess I'm going to have to go through EVERY ONE and save manually?

    FIX THE BUGS but DON'T CHANGE IT MUCH, OPERA IS THE BEST. Thanks for creating it. I don't even use another anymore. I un-installed Fire Fox after i found opera.

    thanks again.

  39. Re:with the features FF will have in a year or so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh really? Show us CSS radial gradients in Opera, or even working linear gradients