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Microsoft Launches Office 365 Cloud Suite
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft took its cloud suite Office 365 out of beta today and the opinion mongers are in overdrive. Is Office 365 missing features, is it too complex, or should it be taken seriously? And how does it stack up against Google Apps?"
It can't open my old Final Cut Pro projects.
What now, first missing feature, first too high complexity, or first taking seriously?
Or do you mean that when compared with Google Apps, Office 360 ranks first?
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and have been for the last two months. I use linux on my desktop, it's nice to be able to have access to the web apps, since I can't very well install the software. Also, the big thing you need to consider when deploying this - If you use the migration tool and link your AD accounts with Office365, you cannot ever get rid of your local AD because you won't be able to manage your users. We chose to export each user to a PST, and import their PST's into their new Office365 account now that we are one step closer to dumping our expensive and bloated local MS infrastructure.
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What do we do on day 366? And is that February 29? Or December 31? Or January 1? Help me, Microsoft!
Who do you want reading your docs? Google or Microsoft?
Neither, thanks.
We adopted MSFT's big-brand business suite, SharePoint 2010, several months before it launched last May. It took a full 6 months to set up the environment, plus additional time to make it even remotely useful for the enterprise. The level of in-house expertise and infrastructure needed to make a business run on MSFT products (Outlook, SharePoint, etc) is obscene.
And it's quickly becoming outdated, sorry MSFT.
At another business (I switched, thankfully!), we use Google Enterprise. The level of support we need to provide for e-mail and document collaboration is radically lower and feels fundamentally different. Instead of FIGHTING with our systems to keep them online, we can innovate and develop new and cool things because our time doesn't disappear into the black hole of "Correlation ID errors" and arcane Outlook glitches.
MSFT, I hope you learn what it means to provide cloud services, and do provide a worthy competitor to Google and other providers! Then, we'd have some exciting innovation! In the meantime, pah... sorry guys. I know you work VERY hard. But PLEASE tell Ballmer to step aside so you can do something that isn't designed by the Corporate Committee!
Open/Libre Office is free and that's what I use but to be fair it looks like this is a pretty good offering all things considered.
After suffering through the hell that is the web interface to Outlook, why would I waste my time with another steaming pile of Microsoft web UI? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
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Does it have the horrible ribbon thing that the newer versions of Office have? If so, I think it will have a hard time catching on (I tried that "See How it Works" link on their site but they wanted me to install Silverlight). No one I know took OOo or Symphony seriously until MS came out with the ribbon interface. It was at that point they felt the need to see what type of competition was out there.
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I believe that there should be a free version for peronal use
There is one here.
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Really, it's not just competing with Google's offering. It's competing with Apple and anyone in the future that follows Apple's iCloud for Documents lead by using native apps as a front end for seamless cloud syncing behind the scenes. People have dinged Google Apps over the years because they're allegedly not as good as native apps (I'm not taking a stance on that either way in this comment), but there's a middle ground between an app that's either only on your machine or only on the web, and it looks like it has the potential to be the sweet spot, since it offers a fully native experience with the everywhere access brought by the cloud.
My (small) company has moved all our documentation (technical and marketing) to the cloud, but we use Google docs. Why would we even consider this offering from MS, given the crap in their history?
Sorry, MS, but you lost all your street cred years ago.
Can somebody please explain what the point of this is? I don't get it. A file server isn't complicated or expensive. I do own a small business, and I read all of the marketing stuff, but I can't find a single reason why I'd switch from plain ol' Office + fileserver + hosted Exchange. If anything, I'd have to spend MORE money on bandwidth.
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FAIL. If they think it's so good and they are confident, then why don't they just kill off the desktop app?
I stopped reading TFA at "For instance, the Office Web Apps version of PowerPoint doesn’t have the high-performance video editing tools found in the desktop version..." They actually used High-Performance and PowerPoint in the same sentence. You've got to be kidding me.
"Minimum requirements for Office 365 include Office 2007+, IE 7+, Windows XP SP3+ (see full requirement list below)."
What's the point of a SAS product that requires you to install the desktop version first...
There are some fundamental problems with this - the biggest of which is you can't use it unless you already have Office on your desktop. How did they not learn from this mistake the first time around?
I believe the main reason Microsoft hasn't completely crashed and burned in the enterprise yet is simply inertia - people are very used to MS Office, and they are very resistant to change. After a faculty-driven mandate we've been trying to transition our users to Google Apps - mainly the mail and calendar. You know what's been the biggest obstacle? People who use lots of nested mail folders. These users have looked at gmail, they've specifically commented on how nice it is you can "have a message in two places" (e.g. place multiple labels on a single message)... yet they are just so locked in mentally to Outlook, they can't (or refuse to) adjust. Even when I've shown them how to use the lab's nested labels feature to mimic the folder paradigm, in the end they say "but it doesn't look like Outlook".
It's probably a lot like the complaints about Office's ribbon, now that I think about it.
On a side note - funny thing is, most of those same faculty that mandated these changes have refused to actually make the move.
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M$, it's strange to say this, but don't go on perfecting an awesome product... there's no need: it's not about technology or features.
I may be forced to use them at work, yet if I can I won't use your products -- not any 36* product whatever it may be, nor your "excellent" desktop products and not even the best Linux distro you might make (you couldn't, it's just rhetorical).
It's about you, whom I learned to not trust. So, please, show some respect and, at the very least, try to fool me into thinking it's not an M$ product, will you?
you know, their ecommerce service which they suddenly announced to shut down, in the face of their clients who were using it for selling thousands of products big inventories for years ? suddenly and out of the blue, and gave them 1 month to migrate away from their proprietary, incompatible store format to anything else ? leaving aside what the domain/address situation would end up ?
why would any moron trust them with their sensitive, irreplaceable data ?
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I seriously doubt it. ANd if it does, my bet is that it will fail within 2 years.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Missing features AND too complex. That one is a bit hard to do.
Four year, eight years, sixteen years, won't matter... the ribbon will still be one of the worst user interfaces around.
I agree with all the Sharepoint stuff. And cloud hosted documents is not a one-size-fits-all ... although I can see the benifit.
But ignore all that. Just look at Exchange Hosting. A company I'm with is paying about $14/month per user for Exchange hosting with ActiveSync (for iphone syncing) and a "vast" limit of 150MB/user mailbox. And thats with a year's commitment. For 7 users this is quite cheep compared to managing our own exchange server (complete with MS Server licensing and a M$PhD to administer it).
I tried the Office 365 beta and was up and running in minutes on my desktop , iPhone, and iPad with full exchange/outlook both native (all devices) and web. Pricing - $6/user with 25GB / mailbox.
Thats just seriously kick-a$$ pricing if your org wants exchange. (mine does, I tried moving us to pure IMAP but the boss likes his Outlook, contacts, calendars etc).
Its a flipping steal. As soon as were done with our (ignorantly signed 1 year contract last month) I'm moving us over to 365 ... unless the smoke has been let out in the meantime.
You can take your Sharepoint and web office apps .,... I just want full exchange/outlook for dirt cheep pricing.
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I believe that there should be a free version for peronal use, but this is still a great tool.
You're probably just a troll, but why should there be a free version for personal use when there isn't any "personal use" for the product? Pretty much everything you get from Office 365 is for collaborating and communicating with other people (SharePoint Server, Exchange Server, Lync, etc.). If all you want is the Office Web Apps, cloud storage from Microsoft, Webmail, and stuff like that, then there are other ways to get that from Microsoft free for personal use.
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So i guess all you guys were employed at the company's that my consulting company came in and fixed up your sharepoint installations.
I have never seen more horrible completely screwed up installs of a product until i worked for a sharepoint consulting company. Its like no one even bothered to take the time to even attempt to read the install guide.
Little background, i never even heard of sharepoint until i started at the consulting company and within a year i was troubleshooting and fixing installs. Not really hard if you bother to take the time to read the install docs. I am still in awe how some of these "IT Professionals" had jobs. Don't blame the product because you are inept at your job.
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If you're comparing Sharepoint with Google Docs, I'm not sure you fully understand what Sharepoint brings to the table.
I'm actually wrapping up a Sharepoint 2010 installation this month. It's on time and budget. The company now has their entire Workflow process, including custom C# workflow/document rules that were developed specifically for their needs.
Google Docs and Sharepoints are not even similar products. If you can go with either for your needs, then by all means go with Google Docs. Because that means you're really not using Sharepoint properly.
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this does not take it to the next level... I'm not sure I could use excel without VBA or some scripting language. *shrug* ohh well, the cloud is dumb anyways.
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...Until I realized that Office 2010 is a much bigger version number. Beat that version number, Libre/OpenOffice!
That's typical software consulting in the Micorsoft ecosystem for you, just like that expensive unsupervised MS Exchange consultant that managed to set the mail servers at the company I was doing work for as an open fucking relay.
but does anyone else think it looks like Balmer's doing a "sieg heil" in the picture at ItWorld.com?
I was *trying* to use it today. They might just have well inflated a turd and put it in the cloud. Excel: The numbers still don't add up. Balance a checkbook? How about 1+3=4.5? Word: Auto Formatting = Random formatting. You have got to be kidding.
If your enterprise depends on this garbage, then you are looking at danger. The only thing that works is the skydrive, but from Word, you still cannot save in a back revision file format unless you have the FileConversionKit installed locally...wtf? Google can do it! OpenOffice can do it? Microsoft? Shoot yourself in the foot.
Here are some of my top grips with the Ribbon:
1. They could have grouped things more logically without disregarding 30 years of UI conventions (pull-down menus). Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
2. A great many of the things they've done in the ribbon that make sense I've actually had in my Word 97/2000/XP/2003 toolbar for something like a decade now. Yes, the stock Office toolbar had a crap layout. The solution was to fix that, not introduce a whole new everything. See #1.
3. I actually find it takes more mouse clicks when I'm working in the Ribbon than it does with my aforementioned custom toolbars. That's because I have to keep clicking back and forth between Ribbon tabs to get to the functions I actually need, whereas before they were all on the screen at one time.
4. #3 wouldn't be so bad if you could customize the Ribbon, but you can't. (At least, not in 2007. I guess in 2010 you can. If you bought 2007 like we did, too fscking bad.). All that effort at overhauling the UI and they still managed to make things worse.
5. They still have an "Insert" menu. That's a lazy catch-all if ever there was one. Totally misses the point of functional grouping. You should not go to "Insert" and then "Foo", because that means when you're working with other Foo's you'll be in some other tab. Instead have a "Foo" tab (or submenu or whatever) where you create/edit/delete/etc.
6. No next labels for most things means people who are text-oriented rather than picture-oriented have a harder time navigating.
7. No next labels for most things means it's harder to learn what stuff does. You have to point to and maybe even click on each thing, rather than just reading a simple English description.
8. No next labels for most things means you have to resort to trying to describe an icon over the phone. "Click the button that looks like a guy wearing a hat -- but not the one where he has a shovel, too".
9. No option to go back to the old style. In Vista you can still elect to use the menu from Windows 95, if that's what you want. But not Office, no, that would be too good for them. They can make it compatible with file formats from 15 years ago, but they can't make it compatible with human beings!
10. Behind the Ribbon icons, you still frequently encounter the same old tired, confusing, cluttered, mixed-up, poorly-documented dialog boxes that have been in Word for years. Some dialogs still mix settings for Word-as-a-whole vs the-current-document, for example.
11. Instead of dick-twiddling around with UI conventions, they could have been doing something more productive, like making lists in Word sane, or fixing the fscking "Page 1 of 1", "Page 2 of 2" bug that's been in Word since *at least* Word 97. A decade and a half later, and Microsoft still hasn't managed to teach a computer how to count.
I have more but I'm tired of typing.
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If you as an organization adopt Office 365, what is your plan for getting your data out if you must? In is easy, but out is hard.
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Office 365, Microsoft’s pay-as-you-go answer to Google Docs, delivers the same delight you’re used to from Office on your PC, only slower and clunkier and only working on Internet Explorer. Remember Internet Explorer? Of course you do!
Microsoft Online Services have marketed Office 365 directly to your bosses, who have little people like you to do all the bits that involve actually touching a computer. It promises a fully integrated solution to your daily working needs, with the reliability of Hotmail and Sidekick. That is, it promises it to your IT department, who can now inflict ribbon toolbars on your system without you even having to reboot.
The application monitors your daily activity for increased efficiency, automatically timesheeting your use of Facebook or Twitter at work, for your comfort and convenience when demonstrating their business necessity and utility to your company’s social media strategy to your boss. Firefox no longer works, but that’s a small price to pay for this sort of well-maintained elegance.
The final Office 365 release will include a marketplace where Microsoft partners will be able to sell applications for your Windows Phone or BlackBerry. (Android and iPhone are not supported, and will in fact explode on contact.)
The ribbon toolbar will not be present in the next version of Office 365, whose interface will be based on the recently-released hit game Portal 2. “Windows 7 was my idea,” says user interaction consultant GlaDOS.
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From TFA - "Five Reasons Microsoft Office 365 Should Be Taken Seriously" - the five are:
1. Microsoft still rules the desktop space.
2. Microsoft has proven again and again that it doesn't need to be first to market.
3. Microsoft (usually) doesn't give up, even when it gets it wrong.
4. Microsoft is in far better shape than some people think.
5. An angry Microsoft is a motivated Microsoft.
Notably absent: any claim that Office 365 is/will be/could be a good product.
Most businesses have one or two custom functions or code. Pretty useless for the enterprise.
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So I said, let's give it a spin. ... " ... then I stopped typing because only "T" appeared in the document and the cursor disappeared. I click on the document to regain focus, type a bit more and press return. Again, only the first letter of what I type appears. And so for every new line, after you type one character, the document loses focus.
After about 5 minutes of "setting up Team Site", I could click on the app icons. So I click on Word:
I create a new document, click the File menu, then click on the document, only to be greeted by a "An unexpected error" message box, which then closed my document.
I open the document again, start typing "The quick brown
"Yeah, right", I think to myself, then click File menu to save it and get the "Unexpected error" message box and Word closes.
The document was NOT saved.
I stopped right there and made up my mind regarding Office365: Avoid.
This shit is unacceptable. Not for a startup, not for a company like Microsoft. These are obvious show stoppers which should not be in a product such as this (not saving my document??).
It's a pity to see how Microsoft has transformed software development into a conveyor belt, in which "architects", "scrum masters" and everybody else has more saying in what the product should be than the developers and the end result are these over-thought, over-engineered, soulless pieces of crap.
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Fact of the matter is that VERY few people are fired for choosing a Microsoft product that does not live up to the sales pitch. Many contractors or government bureaucrats will choose and sell to their superiors Office 365 as a "cloud" offering even though really isn't (Of course try to pin down what "cloud" means....that is a problem unto itself).
On the other hand if said contractor chose Google Apps and the user base revolts or it fails they could very well get canned.
Bottom line, for most professionals who are just there to satisfy the boss's urge for cloud computing it's a safe bet no matter how bad it's delivered. Why? Because they can shrug and say "It's Microsoft, not my fault!"
I would really like to go all Google but what do I do with a 180k document/150 gig Sharepoint install in the google cloud?
You hired a bunch of amateur morons. But that never happens in IT right?
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Can I compose email offline the way I can with Outlook in cached mode? Say if I'm waiting between flights and can't get a WIFI signal, or if I'm stranded because Verizon blocked my tether ability (true story)? I'm not trolling, what happens when that goes down? Does this mean that you can DoS a business's SOHO router / firewall to shut them down for the day because they won't be able to run WORD, Outlook, ERP, etc...?
Will the Office 365 cloud suite have the "leap year" bug where everything deactivates on leap years?
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for realz.
i support it
All in all,office 365 is good for companies,especially small and medium-sized ones.