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Law Professors vs the PROTECT IP Act

Freddybear writes "Along with 90 (and still counting) other Internet law and IP law professors, David Post of the Volokh Conspiracy law blog has drafted and signed a letter in opposition to Senator Leahy's 'PROTECT IP Act.' Quoting: 'The Act would allow the government to break the Internet addressing system. It requires Internet service providers, and operators of Internet name servers, to refuse to recognize Internet domains that a court considers "dedicated to infringing activities." But rather than wait until a Web site is actually judged infringing before imposing the equivalent of an Internet death penalty, the Act would allow courts to order any Internet service provider to stop recognizing the site even on a temporary restraining order or preliminary injunction issued the same day the complaint is filed. Courts could issue such an order even if the owner of that domain name was never given notice that a case against it had been filed at all.'"

212 comments

  1. LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    LOL, is this the "American Freedom" I heard so much about as a youth growing up in Hungary during the Cold War?

    1. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by cshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. We're as bad as China. Just in different ways. Difference is, here in the US, we're fucking hypocrites about it.

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    2. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you're not as bad as China. You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing - thanks to it, these professors can publish materials explaining just how bad this law is, and campaign for getting it repealed. Whereas in China, no matter what goes wrong, you can't really complain.

      This isn't to say that "PROTECT IP" act is not bad - it is - but limitations on political speech are infinitely worse in comparison.

    3. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, man. Don't step on the hyperbole!

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    4. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Decessus · · Score: 0

      The bill isn't law quite yet. Stupid bills wanting to become stupid laws get introduced all the time and most of them don't go anywhere.

    5. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by gullevek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They can still complain, because we can still read it online. But no one will listen to them, and then one day you cannot read of them anymore, because they get silently censored.

      So much for free speak in america.

      The internet is just too scary for the people in power. They see their control slipping away, so they will slowly turn it into a consume only medium like TV is.

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    6. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by RobbieThe1st · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, if we ignore it, it might get quietly slipped through - One might argue that the strategy is to make sure there are so many stupid bills which never get anywhere that the senators(and others) start ignoring them. At which point one might manage to slip through.

    7. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, is this the "American Freedom" I heard so much about as a youth growing up in Hungary during the Cold War?

      May the fleas, ticks, lice and herpes of a thousand niggers on welfare infest your armpits, sir!

      That's Freedom of Speech, baby!

    8. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by tepples · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you're not as bad as China. You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing

      Until your political opponents accuse you of infringement on questionable grounds and get your domain blocked.

    9. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Oh, they'll just rider it on another bill.

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    10. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by zblack_eagle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the "Freedom of Speech" became freedom to make noise some time ago. There's a lot more noise going on than speech these days, or at least that's what gets the attention of people. Bread and Circuses and Two Minutes' Hate for everybody!

    11. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stupid bills that want to become stupid laws, but are defeated, are just reintroduced in the following legislative session, usually as a rider on some other, far more important bill. Or, possibly even worse, the bill is defeated repeatedly, until something like ACTA is signed as a treaty.

      Stupid bills never just go away, their authors just get sneaky about pushing the thing through the legislative body in some other fashion.

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    12. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 2

      Yes, pretty much. The Soviets lied to you, and so did we. Big surprise.

      This particular law is hardly worth protesting, though, as it will be declared unconstitutional as soon as it its the courts. The US Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint, as the saying goes, and that's what this is.

    13. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And then you sue them for libel and get it unblocked - in the meantime, setting up a website on a different domain to get your point across.

      I mean, let's be serious here. There's no comparison between freedom of speech in US and China, which is obvious to anyone who bothers to check the fact. And there's no need for hyperbole and other cheap propaganda tricks when pointing out bad things. Whether it's better or worse than China is completely irrelevant - what you should care about is whether it's good or bad for your own country.

    14. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couple differences: People hating the government here are free to say so.

      In China, it means the complainer and their family will "wake up in pieces" since dissidents make great organ donors. The prison factories also need labor too, so the more people incarcerated, the better, and it really doesn't take much to be jailed in China for a long time.

    15. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      The bill isn't law quite yet. Stupid bills wanting to become stupid laws get introduced all the time and most of them don't go anywhere.

      That's just what people were saying when the DMCA was still a bill. The time to speak up is before a law is passed, not after.

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    16. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      In other parts of the world we would rather just keep working and doing whatever it is we do rather than have to spend time in court getting obviously unconstitutional shit declared unconstitutional by a judge. Do you not see the bigger problem?

      I guess you believe the system will sort bad stuff out and justice is served, even when such efforts didn't need to occur in the first place. Apathy much?

    17. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Bengie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds great on paper. But now you need to spend thousands of dollars to sue someone for a $5 website that you did in your spare time. And you have to take off from work and the most you'll get out of losing a half-years and getting fired for missing so much work, is your web-site is eventually brought back up after it's no longer useful and can no longer afford the $5/month because you no longer have a job.

      yeah... great system. Any other great ideas?

    18. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you don't really get it. The law professors don't give a crap an about music linking sites, they care about political speech sites.

      Don't think it affects political speech, please wait 6 months after a complaint is filed, after spending thousands on lawyers and legal fees, to prove in court that you web site did not have infringing music, a paragraph from a book, plagiarised, shared an idea etc. etc and was only about politics and is original work. Oh yes, than rinse and repeat was the case is dropped as the new case is filed. You think for a second that corrupt corporations via insane right wing politics wont seek to pull that crap on every popular web site that challenges their bull shit.

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    19. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Couple differences: People hating the government here are free to say so.

      In China, it means the complainer and their family will "wake up in pieces" since dissidents make great organ donors. The prison factories also need labor too, so the more people incarcerated, the better, and it really doesn't take much to be jailed in China for a long time.

      Hate to say it but a lot of American imports here are manufactured in the American prison system. It doesn't take much to get jailed in America for a long time either and the prison industry has good lobbyists.
      You are right about being allowed to bitch about the government though.

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    20. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      The DMCA was an international treaty before it was a bill or a law. The entire reason why it went through was because no one paid attention to that detail and allowed congress to ratify the WIPO- WPPT and WTC.

      Many other nations signed onto that those treaties too which is why they are all getting DMCA style laws that they need to fend off all the time. If people would realize that it's because of a treaty, then maybe the treaty can be changed and the DMCA can go good bye or become something sane.

    21. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      No, you're not as bad as China. You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing - thanks to it, these professors can publish materials explaining just how bad this law is, and campaign for getting it repealed. Whereas in China, no matter what goes wrong, you can't really complain.

      This isn't to say that "PROTECT IP" act is not bad - it is - but limitations on political speech are infinitely worse in comparison.

      The thing is , they would be able to block a website, for 'infringing activities' . How certain are you , that you are allowed to say whatever you want , without facing persecution.

    22. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Whereas in China, no matter what goes wrong, you can't really complain.

      People in China often travel thousands of miles to petition the Government in Beijing. Do some research.

    23. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And your point is? Still plenty of traditional one-way-only media without noise and another kind of Bread and Circuses. Just go there and leave the tubes as they are.

    24. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure the Church of Scientology loves the idea, given their history of suing their critics for copyright infringement.

    25. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And then you sue them for libel and get it unblocked

      Haven't you heard of being swiftboated? A number of liars got up and lied in order to directly harm John Kerry by calling him a coward who lied to get a medal. You do that close enough to a vote, and the truth doesn't matter. By the time you've sorted out the mess, you've lost. And if you prosecute them after, then you are a sore loser.

      Or is it only a bad thing if the Democrats do something but when the Republicans engage in a conspiracy to rob the Democratic office in some hotel or commit fraudulent libel, that's OK because the Democrats deserve it?

    26. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      The real problem is there's no way to close the negative feedback loop. Our legislators have no incentive not to grandstand by writing blatantly unconstitutional laws. If there were some sort of penalty when they had a law smacked down by the courts, it might make them think twice... but there's not, so no, I don't think much can be done about it. Call it apathy if you want, but nobody asked me how I thought it should work when they were setting up the system....

    27. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCOTUS is quite capable of refusing to accept appeals for political reasons. Yes, once they accept it for consideration, they might conclude this, but before then..

    28. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      In USA? Quite certain, given the track record so far. For all the insanities of the "war on terror", freedom of speech remains mostly untouched so far.

    29. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have free political speech

      Currently, it is $50,000 per vote. Go Citizens United!

    30. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about, to be honest. I'm not an American citizen to begin with, and most certainly not "Republican" or "Democrat" or whatever fancy labels you guys use these days to somehow distinguish your two populist parties. How is it relevant to the topic at hand?

    31. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Well, does it help?

    32. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The price you pay for being allowed to make whatever noise you want, is that other people can make noise too.

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    33. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Any other great ideas?

      Buy a congressman? They seem to be cheaper than lawyers.

    34. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Which only prevents you from having a website, not from speaking in other ways. In China you'll get arrested or shot if you try to demonstrate.

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    35. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can only take the .com, .net, .org and .us domains away from you...get something that ends in the country code for someplace with actual free speech and there's nothing they can do about it.

    36. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by aevan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd imagine the point was suing takes time and is after the fact and damages are done. Winning in court might net you cash (if it amounts to more than the legal costs), but won't necessarily clear your name, or even be equivalent to the damages. Think there is an old saying about 'a lie has walked many miles while the truth is still putting its boots on'.

      Being silenced at a crucial point might not be recoverable from; setting up alternate websites would be near pointless if you're being specifically targeted and the blocking takes effect near instantly.

      In this instance, believe AC is inferring that a presidential candidate lost his chance to being elected due to being slandered en masse. Any attempting to sue would just end up making matters worse for him, being seen as sour grapes.

    37. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're not as bad as China. You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing - thanks to it, these professors can publish materials explaining just how bad this law is, and campaign for getting it repealed.

      that's what this law will fix

    38. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as i knew the protect ip was not approved yet... it is closer than it was before though it still has to pass one of the houses and be signed into law by the president... Hopefully someone has their head on strait in Washington long enough to drop kick this bill back down the stairs...

    39. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by metacell · · Score: 1

      Petition is what you do in absence of a working democracy. It's the equivalent of going up to your lord and saying, "Please, sir, can you find it in your heart to right this wrong?" In a democracy, you complain publicly, or go to court and demand your right.

    40. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by metacell · · Score: 1

      That's how it looked from a European perspective too - the copyright provisions were sneaked through the European Parliament by being decided by bureaucrats and lobbyists during the ACTA negotiations.

      Democracy really doesn't work well in the EU (on the top level I mean; it may work well in individual member countries).

    41. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by mcvos · · Score: 1

      This isn't to say that "PROTECT IP" act is not bad - it is - but limitations on political speech are infinitely worse in comparison.

      Infinitely worse? If I understand correctly, PROTECT IP can be abused to make political speech unreachable.

    42. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 0

      It can, in theory, be abused to make it unreachable very briefly - since the person or party thus targeted will be sure to raise a fuss about it (and they're still legally allowed to), and considering the American attitude towards freedom of speech, it would be political suicide to even try,

    43. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Seggybop · · Score: 1

      It helps about as much as any of the "freedoms" we have over here in the US.

    44. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Xest · · Score: 1

      "And then you sue them for libel and get it unblocked - in the meantime, setting up a website on a different domain to get your point across."

      But how many viewers do you lose in the domain change? where do you find the time and money for the court case?

      For what it's worth I also think it's wrong to treat China as a whole, you have a lot more freedom in terms of political speech in Hong Kong and Taiwan than you do as a resident of Guantanamo bay at least. If however you're in Xinjiang province or Tibet then you'll have a much harder time getting your message out than you will in Beijing or Shanghai where dissent is becoming at least slightly tolerated nowadays.

      But for me perhaps the biggest point is that China is becoming more philosophical about the idea of freedom of speech, it wants to go there and the upper echelons of the Chinese administration want to take it there, but they want to do so in a way that wont just lead to collapse of a 1.3bn person nation in the way Egypt/Tunisia fell. Whilst some may believe it'd be nice to see China fall we should remember the Chinese Communist Party has 80 million members- if we have regions trying to break free then there wont be an overwhelming majority support that makes the leadership's position untenable, there'll be massive strife, and it'll spin much of Asia into Chaos (Vietnamese/Russian border disputes will reach boiling point, North Korea will collapse etc.).

      Now I don't really like the status quo, but I think there has to be some understanding that a jump to greater freedom in China can't be done overnight- but at least they're becoming appreciative of the concept as a longer term goal. One major drive for this is that affluent and influential Chinese businessmen are coming into ever more contact with Westerners, with China's booming industry links to the outside world are becoming more numerous and ever stronger- in that scenario you can't keep Chinese citizens in the dark forever, and so levelling their freedoms to be the same as that of much of the Western world is in itself important to avoid revolt from the growing and ever more affluent middle class too.

      This is the problem with the US- in contrast it seems to have spent the last decade eliminating ever more rights and freedoms, and it seems to be working to continue down that path. If things carry on as is there will likely be a crossing point in the next 50 years where China becomes more free than the US.

    45. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by gilbert644 · · Score: 1

      And only time I see any widespread activism on the internet is when people are fighting to keep the circuses free of charge, not for any real political reform.

    46. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not "repealed." "Defeated." Laws are repealed after they have passed. This one has yet to do so.

    47. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      In the end, we all will love Big Brother.... For he knows best.

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    48. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Or is it only a bad thing if the Democrats do something but when the Republicans engage in a conspiracy to rob the Democratic office in some hotel or commit fraudulent libel, that's OK because the Democrats deserve it?

      I'm confused how you get "that's OK" from your example, considering that the President involved (a Republican) faced impeachment and resigned in order to avoid being the second President in the history of this country to be impeached. Whereas, when President Clinton (a Democrat) was impeached for lying under oath while President of the U.S., the response was, "Who cares if he broke his word?". And when President Obama broke the law by attacking Libya for over 90 days without Congressional authorization, the response has so far been, "Who cares?" BTW, this is the same Obama who said, "The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

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    49. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      "No, you're not as bad as China. You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing - thanks to it"

      You know I can't protest in front of the RNC or any political gathering.. I have to be carted into "free speech zones" that are far away and hidden from view.

      It's not as bad as people getting killed for speaking out, but the United States IS taking steps to get there. Why we don't have riots in the streets over this stuff I will never understand. The American people like the oppression I guess.

      I also don't understand how cowardly cops will enforce such things. It looks like the transformation of police from "Serve and protect" to the enemy that is there to "oppress and control".

      Give it time, I fully expect to be telling stories to my grandkids on how we used to be able to go out at night without a permit, and people were allowed to gather and protest unjust actions without being gassed and killed along with the outlandish notion that we were once allowed to own firearms.

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    50. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Yup all it costs is hookers and blow.

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    51. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by darjen · · Score: 2

      People in the USA also get arrested and shot for demonstrating.

    52. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Moryath · · Score: 1

      No, the "price" we've paid is that freedom of speech is meaningless when a few hyperwealthy individuals can control the airwaves completely.

    53. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      For instance, most of the really draconian stuff in the PATRIOT Act was stuff that the FBI and other TLAs had been trying to get passed for decades. They just knew how to ensure a good crisis never went to waste, so when Congress went to them and said "give us something cool-sounding to pass", they just took all those bad ideas off the shelf and said "here you go, now let's come up with a name that will force almost everyone in Congress to go along with it."

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    54. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    55. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing..."

      As long as you remain in the designated, cordoned off, and police enforced "free speech zone" at your political convention.

    56. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by EvilStein · · Score: 1

      " I have to be carted into "free speech zones" that are far away and hidden from view."

      Thank those shitbags at the Westboro Baptist Church for most of that crap. :/

    57. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      What price freedom?

      Okay, I didn't read the IP act, but one entity can't ask a judge to shut down another entity without a good reason. The reason will be reviewed by a judge (the same way a warrant is reviewed by a judge) and if he deems the site as falling into the category of the PROTECT IP act, a temporary injunction will be placed. Someone decides to do this. You don't ask and get it. This is one of the most important things judges do -- they take responsibility under the law to actually change things. They don't just sit in a high chair and say, "Overruled" or "Pre---POST---erous!"

    58. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haven't you heard of being swiftboated? A number of liars got up and lied in order to directly harm John Kerry by calling him a coward who lied to get a medal.

      You mean a number of his fellow swiftboat veterans had cast serious doubt on the events described in his report that ultimately got him a medal. The "swifties" were a pretty small group and the crews talked a lot.

    59. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      But how many viewers do you lose in the domain change? where do you find the time and money for the court case?

      I suspect you wouldn't find a shortage of newspapers and other channels willing to publish a story about this kind of law being abused to suppress political speech. I'm not saying this can't get you severely inconvenienced, but you still have legal and feasible ways of getting the story out - and once it's out, the perpetrator will be in a world of pain, even if their actions would be legal under this law.

      For what it's worth I also think it's wrong to treat China as a whole, you have a lot more freedom in terms of political speech in Hong Kong and Taiwan

      Well, of course. Taiwan is not even a part of PRC, and Hong Kong is a very special case.

      But for me perhaps the biggest point is that China is becoming more philosophical about the idea of freedom of speech, it wants to go there and the upper echelons of the Chinese administration want to take it there, but they want to do so in a way that wont just lead to collapse of a 1.3bn person nation in the way Egypt/Tunisia fell. Whilst some may believe it'd be nice to see China fall we should remember the Chinese Communist Party has 80 million members- if we have regions trying to break free then there wont be an overwhelming majority support that makes the leadership's position untenable, there'll be massive strife, and it'll spin much of Asia into Chaos (Vietnamese/Russian border disputes will reach boiling point, North Korea will collapse etc.).

      I'm not going to dispute the moral point of restrictions on freedom of speech. It doesn't really matter much in this case - the point is that the standing PRC laws are significantly more restrictive in that regard in the US, so much so that any direct comparison is meaningless.

    60. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by PoopCat · · Score: 1

      Please, put down the, comma, key and, walk, away.

    61. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by PoopCat · · Score: 1

      Actually, thank the RNC (for the policy) and the cops (for the shameful enforcement). WBC is as entitled to spout their hateful drivel as you and I.

    62. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by snowwrestler · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then a bird craps on your head and it starts raining and just then the phone rings and it's your dad: "You're adopted. And we never loved you." You look down and there's a dog peeing on your leg. A cop is putting a ticket on your car and a teenager is letting the air out of the tires. You look up at the sky and ask "Why, God?" and a skinhead walking by punches you in the throat. You double over in pain and just then a bus roars through a puddle, soaking you in oily black water from the street. The water gets into your laptop and shorts out the battery. You can't update your website anymore and you're on fire.

      So yeah--nice freedom of speech you've got there!!!!

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    63. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have free political speech, which is the most basic thing

      But only in a "free speech zone" which is five miles down the road.

    64. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    65. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      You got it. Republicans HATE free speech. The RNC demanded it.
      and Cops that enforce it are nothing but scumbags. Complete and utter scumbags.

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    66. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Were you in a free speech zone when you were typing your comment?

    67. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by bstender · · Score: 1

      funny, you seem to be suggesting that the the infamous 'swiftboating' of Kerry was purely an honest setting straight of history by his mates rather than a deeply dishonest and dishonorable ultra-right wing Koch Bros. funded slander operation. Which means you're either still duped after 7 years or just another conscious-less and dishonest piece of shit from the far right. or a mixture of both...and of course, an anonymous coward.

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    68. Re:LOL! American Freedom! by saylar · · Score: 1

      Yes, China has quite a friend

  2. I'm no longer conerced about it by countertrolling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The law will provide great incentive to develop new technologies to work around it.

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    1. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never been conerced about it. It's as if I was around in a state of olbivion.

    2. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I guess I meant 'concerned'.. Kinda wished the speel checker worked up there :-)

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    3. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by mellon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's all well and good, but at the same time it's going to cause a *huge* hassle for ISPs, a *huge* hassle for content providers, and a *huge* hassle for end users. Sure, the bleeding edge geeks will have workarounds (the simplest being to set up your own name server).

      But it's going to make deploying DNSSEC a nightmare, because now we're going to have court orders requiring ISPs to break DNSSEC. Ultimately every customer router box will have to be a DNSSEC resolver, and will have to go to the root to get correct information. Home router vendors have not covered themselves in glory with previous DNS work they've done; there's no reason to expect that they'll do a good job this time either. The bottom line is that if this passes, the result will be:

      • an added degree of flakiness in the network which will be completely inexplicable to the average end user.
      • huge cost increase for ISPs
      • substantially increased load on root and TLD servers
      • more DNS traffic on the network (this one probably isn't a big deal, except...)
      • Increased DNS query latency
    4. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      No need to develop new technologies. Just steer clear of domain registries, registrars and hosting companies in U.S. jurisdictions or any jurisdictions the U.S. coerces into going along with them.

      I guess they could still block the IP address. Maybe they could license China's "Great Firewall" but people already found ways around it.

      In the end, the only thing this law will accomplish is to drive internet business out of the country.

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    5. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've never been conerced about it. It's as if I was around in a state of olbivion.

      C'mon, it was an obvious typo - don't be a sas about it.

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    6. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 1

      I've never been conerced about it. It's as if I was around in a state of olbivion.

      Conerced to be conned and coerced..... describes our system of government quite well. Kudos to you AC

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    7. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by sFurbo · · Score: 2

      I don't think it will be a huge cost for the ISP, as far as I can tell, we have something like that in Denmark. The ISPs have court orders to block e.g. piratebay and allofmp3.com. The ISPs do this by removing the entries in their DNSes. In stead, it redirects to a page saying what a bad place you just tried to access. The ISPs have not been up in arms over it, so I don't think it is that expensive.

      It is censorship, though. These pages host many things that is definitely legal, and that is blocked as well. Of course, circumventing the block is as easy as pointing your computer or router to a DNS working correctly, but how many people know how to do that?

    8. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by Mask · · Score: 2

      The stricter the US internet laws are the bigger the chance it will be cut off of the rest of the internet. If the most of the internet users live in freer countries, they will use a different set of DNSSEC resolvers. This means that internet addressing will become fragmented between the US and the free world such that the same address means one thing in the US and another in the free world.

      The economic impact on the US, of such a fragmentation, will be considerable. It will be a natural continuation of US economy's decline. As usual the brilliant politicians will blame the situation on pirates and will continue to draft even stricter free-speech (anti-piracy) laws.

      I am glad that I do not live in the US, but this situation may change. Unfortunately many countries tend to copy the worst US practices (laws and behaviour), over time. We may end up in the US fragment of the internet and not where the rest of the world is.

    9. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      a *huge* hassle for end users.

      Hassle?

      http://www.i2p2.de/ No hassle at all.

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    10. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by yomammamia · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is forcing ISPs to do that is a waste of time. You just use a different DNS server instead of the default provided by your ISP. You can even use the ROOT servers directly.

    11. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The economic impact on the US, of such a fragmentation, will be considerable. It will be a natural continuation of US economy's decline. As usual the brilliant politicians will blame the situation on pirates and will continue to draft even stricter free-speech (anti-piracy) laws.

      Nonsense. They'll blame it on not enough central planning and control, i.e. let me get my fingers into this pie too.

      Of course it will all be for the children.

    12. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Not so much a new technology, but DNS is just a name service. The IP is still there. It'll eventually come down to a matter of accessing sites by the IP address. And to do that, all we need is one site with an easy-to-remember IP address that lists all of the blacklisted sites by their IP address.

      It's not really a solution for many smaller sites who can't get their own IP. But then again, maybe it'll finally force server admins to enable access to sites they host by IP.

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    13. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by mellon · · Score: 1

      How do you think the ISPs "remove the entries in their DNSes?" DNS doesn't work that way. In order to "remove the entries" they have to program their name servers to censor every instance of a request on a name that's the specified name or a subdomain of it. Technology exists to do that, but it isn't cheap. You can do it trivially for one or two domains in your BIND configuration, but here we're talking about doing it on an industrial scale, not just for one or two domains.

    14. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by mellon · · Score: 1

      I think that "hassle" does not mean what you think it means.

    15. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same poster as GPP, posting AC from work.

      I don't know the details of how DNSes work, so I have no idea how you would make it happen, but I know that the danish ISPs are doing it (I haven't tested subdomains, I don't know how thorough it is).
       
      I have just discovered that I wasn't totally up to date on the issue, the ISPs are now complaining, as the parlament have made several laws to make them censor domains (previously, it has been done by court orders, issued by judges). The parlament want them to censor gambling sites (we have a national gambling corporation) and places to buy medicine (as they are not controlled by the danish FDA). Hooray for the censorship slippery slope!

    16. Re:I'm no longer conerced about it by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      And, again I seem to have been misinformed: The lists have so far been made by the police, not the courts, and are secret (apparently not subject to FOIA, though I am not sure whether that is because the people requesting them are not thought to be parts in the case). I think they have been leaked by wikileaks, though.

  3. "Internet death penalty" by drb226 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    blocking websites vs killing people. That comparison is a little over the top.

    1. Re:"Internet death penalty" by cshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is it going over the top?
      You're totally stripping due process out of the equation.
      If someone makes a living from their website, and you kill that website, you are basically killing someone.

      The metaphor is fair.
      Doesn't take a lot of imagination to see that.

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    2. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since that's what they've been calling it in regards to blacklists (Spamhaus et al) for thousands of Internet years now, perhaps it's simply a phrase-of-art and you should relax.

    3. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The comparison is over the top, and it's very much in line with a lot of current political and academic discourse, which is disturbing. For example, a number of academics have redefined "violence" to mean not the use of force (like the Latin vi- root would imply) but, well, anything that means disapproval of someone or something else: excerpting a book is "doing violence to the text" because it ignores the remainder of the book. Bernard Henri-Levy, the French columnist who calls himself a philosopher, referred to coverage of the Dominique Strauss-Kahn proceedings and to statements of the accuser's physical evidence as "pornographic," apparently meaning "something that could damage Strauss-Kahn." The Republicans call Obama a new Hitler for wanting to change the way health care is paid for: that's so far over the top that it's practically a convergence of Godwin's and Poe's laws. The world needs to settle down and discuss issues for what they are and find real solutions to them, not indulge in adolescent, verbal para-masturbatory fantasies that satisfy some deep inner lust for pathos.

      Oh, wait.

    4. Re:"Internet death penalty" by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference is that blacklists are entirely voluntary.

      Also...

      Spammer spotted.

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    5. Re:"Internet death penalty" by itchythebear · · Score: 0

      How is it going over the top?

      Nobody is being put to death when a website is blocked.

      If someone makes a living from their website, and you kill that website, you are basically killing someone.

      So its basically murder anytime someone gets fired form their job? come on man...

      This law is total bullshit, but the GP is right, that metaphor is the definition of sensationalism.

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    6. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Sinthet · · Score: 2

      I dunno, it seems pretty accurate in the context of a website. You're essentially stopping anyone from viewing it (at least in theory) therefore killing the site's ability to perform its intended function. Its true that the comparison is a bit sensationalist, but in the context of a website, its pretty accurate at the same time.

    7. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who was it that said "where one burns books, one ultimately burns people"? What is the internet but a great giant book that everyone can write a chapter in? The comparison between censorship and murder is older than both of us.

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    8. Re:"Internet death penalty" by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once you establish the precedent, you're on a slippery slope. This has been coming for a long time. A black person driving from Florida carrying a lot of cash is assumed to be a drug runner. Their car and cash are confiscated without a trial and they have to fight to get it back.

      A Hispanic person in Arizona must show ID to prove s/he is a citizen, otherwise they're assumed to be illegal.

      Now your website and your business can be taken away just on the accusation of violating some copyright somewhere.

      Ever read any of Niven's sci-fi? We're just about there. Next step, organ banks.

    9. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Fjandr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Refusing to route traffic to a site is a death-knell to it no matter how you slice it. The term "death" has many different and perfectly reasonable contexts. Only one of those is biological death.

    10. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yes. That's the strategy: They go over the top all the time. If we don't also go over the top, of course the balance will go in their direction.

      I personally think, we can't get over the top enough. Example:

      The terror cells of the MAFIAA group of mind-hackers regularly rape thousands small children, cut them into pieces, and eat them alive.. slowly... while they have to watch. All AT THE SAME TIME.
      "3 guys 1 hammer"* is a joke compared to their mental weapons of mass destruction.

      If we don't immediately nuke them from orbit, everyone will die a horrible horrible nightmarish death, like sliding down a tube water slide... which doesn't sound very scary, except that it ends in the mouth of a SHARK ON SPEED, the water is a mix or EBOLA AND ACID, and the insides of the tube are COVERED IN CHAINSAWS! ;)
      ___
      * Please don't watch it if you haven't. I can stomach very sick shit, but this one still haunts me to this day. It left some actual mental damage. Just this time, it's not worth it. Really. Really, really, really!!

    11. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Republicans call Obama a new Hitler for wanting to change the way health care is paid for.

      Damn Republicans. Don't they know only Democrats can compare someone to Hitler and get away with it? A liberal who compares someone with Hitler is insightful and informed. A conservative who compares someone to Hitler is a racist and hateful.

      BTW, Leahy is a Democrat, but I'm certain the posters here at /. will be able to find a way to blame this bill on Republicans. I have faith in that. Don't let the damn conservatives try and make this look like the liberal's fault. We know it's not true.

    12. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you ignore the word "internet" in that phrase and also take completely out of the context in which it was used, it is over the top. But the phrase is "internet death penalty". The site becomes dead to the internet. The full context of the phrase was "wait until a Web site is actually judged infringing before imposing the equivalent of an Internet death penalty". There is no implication that any person would be killed, the subject is a web site, which is no longer visible to the rest of the world - a dead site. The way it was used is completely accurate and apropos.

    13. Re:"Internet death penalty" by itchythebear · · Score: 1

      whoa whoa whoa, slow down buddy, where talking about this:

      If someone makes a living from their website, and you kill that website, you are basically killing someone.

      You find no problems with that statement?

      Once you establish the precedent, you're on a slippery slope. This has been coming for a long time. A black person driving from Florida carrying a lot of cash is assumed to be a drug runner. Their car and cash are confiscated without a trial and they have to fight to get it back.

      Your missing the point, I already agree the PROTECT IP law is stupid, I'm just saying that metaphor was sensational. All the slippery slope examples you provided(which I also agree are disturbing) still aren't equatable to murder anyways. I find it pretty sad how slashdot readers seem so ready to defend a sensationalist statement when it happen to agree with them, but a similar statement made from a source like fox news would be torn to shreds(and rightfully so). Double standard much though?

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    14. Re:"Internet death penalty" by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Rather a person with no Social Security ID, but still with a driving license. Cannot receive legal benefits, but is still able to drive.

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    15. Re:"Internet death penalty" by itchythebear · · Score: 1

      The term "death" has many different and perfectly reasonable contexts. Only one of those is biological death.

      Yes, but when someone says "death penalty" the first thing most people would think of is capitol punishment, which is the biological type of death.

      Please don't think I am defending PROTECT IP, I'm not. But sensational statements should be called out even if it's supporting something I agree with.

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    16. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      Even as used here, I doubt many will jump to linking it with actual death. It's simply ridiculous to do so. A site without traffic is dead, so cutting it off is clearly a death sentence for the site. The terminology is commonly used to relate non-biological death in many different circumstances. This is nothing new. Sans other sensationalist wording, this is perfectly applicable to the matter at hand.

    17. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone has no means of support, they will die. If you attack their means of support in order to harm them, you are attempting murder.

    18. Re:"Internet death penalty" by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

      Nah, this ain't Plateau far from it.

      We are voting and paying attention. The TEA Party is legion and we are changing the conversation away from "Ask not what your Government must do for you" to "Ask instead how you can help to prune it's branches before they shadow every aspect of your life..."

      Queue the TEAbagger name calling.

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    19. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Eskarel · · Score: 1

      That would be great if the Tea Party were really about overseeing the government and ensuring that it acts appropriately. However the tea party is more about napalming the whole forest than doing some pruning, and "government is always bad" is as idiotic a statement as "government is always good". The tea party is letting the Republican party gut every even remotely good thing that government does while doing absolutely nothing at all about anything like this.

    20. Re:"Internet death penalty" by m50d · · Score: 1

      It was Herman Hesse, and he lived to see it come true.

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    21. Re:"Internet death penalty" by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      Then why are the teabaggers supporting the continuation of huge gov't subsidies to oil companies? Why are they supporting tax laws that exempt the wealthiest companies and shift the burden onto small business and individuals?

      The whole tea party is based on a failed premise that an individual can stand up to a multinational corporation and win. Maybe in a redneck shotgun fantasy; in reality the individual gets milked for every dime they have and thrown away in the end when they can no longer pay.

    22. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      A Hispanic person in Arizona must show ID to prove s/he is a citizen, otherwise they're assumed to be illegal.

      First, they only have to produce evidence that they are legally in the U.S. and second, only if the police are interacting with them because of some other illegal action on thier part. Finally, it is not only Hispanics who are subject to this law (I fully expect that if someone from Norway was stopped for a traffic violation and spoke very poor english, the police would demand evidence of legal residence).

      That being said, this Protect IP would be a bad law and should not be passed. I, also, agree that the forfeiture laws are bad laws that should be repealed/overturned.

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    23. Re:"Internet death penalty" by BenJCarter · · Score: 1



      There it is right on queue, and woefully uninformed. Too bad for you that you are dead wrong cptdondo. Sarah Palin, a very prominent TEA partier, has proposed ending all energy subsidies.

      As for some imaginary "failed premise" of individual empowerment, I believe the results of the last election and the things that are happening because prove the ignorance of your statement.

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    24. Re:"Internet death penalty" by black+soap · · Score: 1

      Having seen a blonde-haird russian girl being lectured at a checkpoint in Texas for not having her proper immigration papers, I suspect Hispanics aren't the target of the law - illegal immigrants are.

    25. Re:"Internet death penalty" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello, part of the problem.

    26. Re:"Internet death penalty" by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Not if you compare blocking websites to burning books.

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  4. Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How fast does an owner of a warehouse get a notice of a police raid with court order targeting one of the clients of the warehouse?

    1. Re:Comparison by Sulphur · · Score: 1, Funny

      How fast does an owner of a warehouse get a notice of a police raid with court order targeting one of the clients of the warehouse?

      Am I the only one who read "whorehouse."

    2. Re:Comparison by mywhitewolf · · Score: 1

      they tend not to shut the warehouse down to do it though, the warehouse can still operate.

    3. Re:Comparison by Inda · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes you are.

      The rest of us can read without issue.

      Who keeps modding this crap up? It's not funny; it's childish.

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    4. Re:Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's relevant here where the act of buying is criminalized.. ;)

  5. Welcome to the two-tier internet. by bmo · · Score: 2

    Real Internet for those of us who know what we're doing.

    Censored internet for the proles.

    And we can lord it over them.

    Good times to be had by all.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the two-tier internet. by Eulogistics · · Score: 0

      "First they came for the non-tech-savvy, but I simply laughed, because I knew a way around the censorship..."

  6. routing around the damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I suspect the US is on a long term slide to being an internet 3rd world country.

    The rest of the world will learn to simply route around the damage zone known as the USA. Bad US laws seem like a long term giveaway to aspirants like China and the BRIC.

    1. Re:routing around the damage by camperdave · · Score: 1

      The rest of the world will learn to simply route around the damage zone known as the USA.

      But... But... But... Slashdot is hosted in the US!

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    2. Re:routing around the damage by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      But... But... But... Slashdot is hosted in the US!

      You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs...

    3. Re:routing around the damage by metacell · · Score: 1

      But... But... But... Slashdot is hosted in the US!

      Yes... for now.

      Mua ha ha ha ha...

    4. Re:routing around the damage by cpghost · · Score: 1

      The rest of the world will learn to simply route around the damage zone known as the USA. Bad US laws seem like a long term giveaway to aspirants like China and the BRIC.

      If only it were true. The US has lobbied, bullied, coerced, cajoled, and convinced most other countries in the world (including third world countries!) to adopt its own Copyright-style laws. I'm afraid that the US, in this case, is more like a environment polluter, spilling and spreading its conception of maximalist, taliban-style copyright elsewhere too. I hope we won't say in a few years: first the US invented the Internet, then the US destroyed it.

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    5. Re:routing around the damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who says I can't?

  7. Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The PROTECT IP act is a freebie given to Big Content because it is too expensive for them to police the use of their own content. Regardless of what anyone thinks about Copyright, this is a clear example of leveraging government to enforce artificial restrictions on the use of content in favor of the companies that seek to monetize said content.

    We have laws already in place for companies to lodge complaints with websites when their content is being used without license. But the content companies complain that it is too hard for them to find unlicensed use of their content. The solution via this act is to take down content on **possible** unlicensed use by the government and by other companies on a simple complaint.

    IF the PROTECT IP provided heavy penalties for false or inflated complaints, then okay. But it doesn't.

    IF the PROTECT IP provided for possible criminal charges should it be used to violate free speech as opposed to taking down infringing content, then okay. But it doesn't.

    IF the PROTECT IP provided fees and taxes on Big Content to cover the public expense of implementing the act, then okay. But it doesn't.

    ANY Government granted system of monopolies granted out to privileged parties, where such monopolies do not and in fact cannot exist without Government intervention, this is socialism. It is bad enough that we have copyrights that last over a hundred years, and that we cannot upload birthday videos because a song written in the 1800's is (most would say falsely) under copyright. That we have extend copyright terms without compensation to the public.

    But why should the public pick up the bill to enforce copyright?

    Make Big Content to pay for it, and make Big Content liable for misuse of it, and throw anyone in jail if they use it to inhibit free speech, then okay.

    But that won't fly. Because this is about making money, and Big Content can't make money if they are at risk, or have to pay for the enforcement of their own (supposed) rights.

    1. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why should the public pick up the bill to enforce copyright?

      Maybe because copyright is a governmental (ie public) concept? And if there were laws that made the enforcement of these laws up to the copyright holder you'd be on here bitching up a storm about how it makes the small copyright holder a target of rich corporations and going off on other tangents. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, as they say.

    2. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Well done, sir! You have described the situation perfectly.

      Unfortunately, you will be eventually modded down mercilessly, for your use of the word "Socialism" as if it were a bad thing.

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      --- Jerry Garcia
    3. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have NO idea, where you Americans get your definition of "socialism" from. FOX "News"?

      Because it couldn't be more wrong.

      What it actually resembles, is a fascist dictatorship. Which is what the GDR, and other so-called "socialist" states *actually* were.

      So PROTIP: Just because those countries called themselves "socialist" or "communist", doesn't mean they were.
      Just like if someone called the USA (or many, many other countries) "democratic". You would laugh at him for being so delusional.

      It's fascism. The merger of industry and government. Resulting in the law of the jungle. Aka. the "free market".

      Why can 300 million people (or 500 in the EU) not crush a few thousand (yes, it's not more, no matter how bit they make themselves look) terrorists? (I mean the MAFIAA aka. "Big Content". They are terrorizing people for their own gains. Which is the actual definition of "terrorism".)

    4. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      This law DOES put the enforcement of these laws in the hands of the copyright holder. And I will bet (if it passes) that I will be complaining about how Rich Corporations are abusing this bill by bullying small companies (small copyright holders).

      My point is that (without changing any other part of this bill) Big Content should fund the bill if you are going to pass it. If they are not going to pay fees or taxes to cover the cost of implementation, then it is a gift to Big Content.

    5. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Right. Because the Media, the Lawyers and the Politicians have done **such*** a great job debating and selecting the policies we have now in this country!

      Besides, what use is Math and Science when it comes to understanding the world anyway?

    6. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used the term as a troll. I can be honest and I can admit my faults. I haven't anything against socialism myself. But you have to understand that in the U.S. it is an awful insult to the Republicans among us. And if you look at the implementation of Copyright from a certain perspective, it is clear that this is a Government imposed right for a few being imposed upon the people. In the U.S. we usually call that socialism. It really isn't socialism, but that is what most people walking down the street would call it (when it is described in these terms).

      But I haven't any problem with considering copyright as being fascist. I have no problem considering copyright as terrorism.

      You know, you write a post and you take an angle and you go with it.

    7. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 2

      The comment was a troll, but aimed at those that might think this bill promotes capitalism. It does not, but rather copyright is about building artificial markets. Most Americans view socialism as the opposite of capitalism, and so I used the term loosely along those lines.

      I understand that economic models are more complex than that, but hey! It was a post written on a whim!

    8. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "socialism/sSHlizm/
      Noun: A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

      The government is not the community. This is what it has always been: oligarchism.

      "An oligarchy (Greek , Oligarkhía) (oligocracy) is a form of government in which power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, military might, or religious hegemony."

    9. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      Socialism: giving taxpayer money to the poor. Capitalism: giving taxpayer money to the rich.

    10. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Okay, you win. This is capitalism assuming we don't give any significant portion of the copyright money to content creators.... And since they don't get more than a few percent of what is collected from copyright, I guess you win.

    11. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Okay, not socialism..... But copyright certainly isn't about competition either.

    12. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the option where I get to keep my money.

    13. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by ildon · · Score: 1
    14. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      So, if these things aren't (weren't) socialist, what is? I don't see any non-true-Scotsman way to define it so that these countries aren't included and anything this side of the global revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat is. And we already have several words for what is on the other side of $name_of _rapture_in_particular_religion$, the two most common being heaven and utopia, so I don't see the need for another. In that case, why not use the word "socialist" for the kind of society inevitably made by people who set out to make a socialist society*?

      *except for groups small enough for social pressure to be an effective control mechanism, e.g. families and small collectives.

    15. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by devent · · Score: 1

      Laws that benefit the (poor) citizens, that is socialism and un-american. Laws that are benefiting the big cooperations that is free market, and as we know, if the big cooperations making tons of moneys that is good for everyone, and as such the American Dream.

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    16. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    17. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me just say you're doing a disservice by further muddying up the waters: what you mean by "socialism" is actually "statism" (which includes boths end of the spectrum: "Stalin's communism" and "Mussolini's fascism").

      By polarizing a situation that's actually multidimensional, you're further reinforcing the fallacy that there are only two possible ways: extreme socialism and extreme capitalism.

      History tells us that both extreme socialism and extreme capitalism have horrible pitfalls. For some reason, the most successful countries in the world (that don't depend on their natural resources for wealth) actually follow a healthy middle term.

      Actually, the most ironic thing is that the PROTECT IP Act is actually the product of extreme capitalism, where corporations and capital have more influence over the laws than actual citizens.

      But, go ahead... keep promoting the "socialist bogey-man" and keep ignoring all the problems of uncontrolled capitalism.

    18. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be a socialist society if these companies were forced to behave in a way that benefited the society they currently leach off.

      To give them a controlling monopoly and mechanisms to ensure their permanent survival so they can not only continue to leach, but to perfect the leaching, is close to the polar opposite of socialism.

      If you want a name for it I recommend American Capitalism - it's not capitalism by A. Smith's definition (as that also involved helping society as a whole as an end point - different from socialism as that puts helping society throughout the whole process). It truly is something created and currently being perfected in the US (although most Western countries are doing their level best to emulate it). You should be proud of that... I think.

    19. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      How is it socialism? In its most simplistic form, socialism takes from the haves and gives to the have-nots. This bill does the exact opposite: it gives more to the big players, and everybody else gets to pay for it.

    20. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Whatever it is, it's definitely not socialism. If the government took from the rich and gave to the poor, it might be. But it's the government taking from the poor (from everybody, really) and giving to the rich (Big Content). That's more like fascism, which is tends to include a very tight coupling between industry and government. Industry works for the government, and government works for the industry. You see a lot of that lately in the US (though it started with the military-industrial complex, obviously).

    21. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think it is either socialism, or communism, or fascism. Perpetual IP is, in its generating idea, aristocratism. You know, "the rule of the best people", lords and ladies. All content authors deserve our infinite gratitude and ass-kissing, etc, you get the idea. No social deal with smart and gifted individuals for benefit of the people, the unwashed masses, as Founding Fathers and other champions of Enlightenment planned. No, this is a new feudal-like system in the making. IMHO, the problem is not that there are evil corporations who fleece consumers as well as exploit original authors. You wouldn't be any better off if artists (and other IP crappers) themselves were commanding most of the loot, they are greedy humans just like any other. The problem is massive oppression under pretense of fundamental human inequality which is sold back to us over and over by "star" (celebrity) system. We are already contemplating grass-roots counter culture to substitute IP one (even though it repeatedly failed in past: hippies, punks, ...) but the system is getting ever stronger stranglehold on individual creativity under pretense of plagiarism, even though they themselves are far from above it. Ultimately, when it reaches critical point, the revolt of oppressed masses will send our civilization into a Dark Age period of hostile anti-intellectualism and anti-artism.

    22. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Communism is giving taxpayer money to the poor, except that everyone is poor. Socialism is using everybody's money to pay for "services" that "everybody" "needs".

    23. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Socialism and fascism are only a small distance apart on any realistic political scale. Both advocate strong government controls over economic activity. Both advocate central planning by government bureaucrats of one sort or another.

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    24. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Actually, if I just made people reflect on the idea that copyright ISN'T capitalism, then I have done a good thing. In this context, it doesn't make sense to worry how the use of the term "socialism" might reflect negatively on solutions to healthcare, providing basic needs and education to the poor, etc. Besides, in the U.S. socialism ALWAYS refers to the benefits being paid to someone else. It is never their Medicare or Social Security check.

      The Issue of getting people to understand the need for social solutions to particular social problems is an issue for another day.

      The Issue for today is to make people understand that copyright isn't about competition to provide the best value to the consumer. It is about welfare to a relatively small industry (which is why I picked the term I did to describe it).

      So you don't like the fact that I used the term "socialism". But on the other hand, how many people do you think have actually taken the time to TRY and understand what kind of economic system copyright fits into? That IP law in general fits into?

      If we can expose the myth that patents and copyright are the foundations of capitalism, then something good has been done.

    25. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by zzsmirkzz · · Score: 1

      It's fascism. The merger of industry and government.

      That is not fascism either. Fascism it the totalitarian control of all, using extreme patriotism and violence to unite the people under one banner. Direct, post-9/11 America was the closest to Fascism we have come. The way I see things, Democrats = Socialists, Republicans = Fascists. Under either party, the Government is only going to get bigger and more invasive in its practices. What we need is people to turn off the tv, drop their red/blue bias, and really think about what is best for this country right now. Focus on individuals, not parties and then, maybe, we can effect some change around here that would help this country, not just the elite that either run it or buy those that run it.

    26. Re:Copyright is Socialism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who think fascism isn't socialism also think that St Bernards aren't dogs.

  8. Absolute power yields the obvious by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    This is just the latest example of what happens when you invest the kind of power that we have in government. Those levers will be used to attain the ends of whoever brings the most money to the table to coopt the people controlling it.
     

    1. Re:Absolute power yields the obvious by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      This is the same government people want to invest regulatory power in to enforce "net neutrality" - even though nothing that the government has proposed actually fits with what they themselves would actually call "net neutrality"

      Stop listening and start watching, folks. They are telling you one thing but doing another.

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  9. anyone really surpriced? by superwiz · · Score: 2

    Democrats are married to Hollywood. Anyone really surprised that they would try for a law which would let Hollywood to punish people as soon as they are accused of "piracy"?

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    1. Re:anyone really surpriced? by bmo · · Score: 1

      >Democrats are married to Hollywood.

      Protip: Hollywood is an equal opportunity bribe^W campaign contribution machine.

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    2. Re:anyone really surpriced? by superwiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, not really. Their contributions to Democrats dwarf their contributions to Republicans. When was the last time LA traffic was stopped because GW Bush went to Hollywood for a fundraiser? Never. It already happened twice in the 2.5 years of Obama's administration.

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    3. Re:anyone really surpriced? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Democrats are married to Hollywood.

      I believe the correct term is "civil union".

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    4. Re:anyone really surpriced? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, while Democrats have a hard-on for Hollywood, 'Hollywood', in the sense that we are using here, consists largely of influential and rather parasitic multinational corporations, so they can be assured of Republican support.

    5. Re:anyone really surpriced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could also be because he was, you know... W. How about comparing stats with Obama and Reagan?

    6. Re:anyone really surpriced? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Reagan comparison wouldn't be a fair comparison for 3 reasons: (1) he was a California politician (he was a governor of California); (2) he was a President too long ago so the Secret Service procedures were probably different; (3) he was a member of the Academy (in fact served as the head of SAG before getting into an elected office). Basically, Reagan was a Hollywood insider. But even a modern Hollywood insider such Thompson received less in Hollywood money than most Democratic candidates did during the primaries.

      I am not sure why you would think that there is something special about Bush which made him less likely to receive Hollywood money. He enjoyed higher popularity ratings during the same period of his administration than Obama does now.

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    7. Re:anyone really surpriced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not really. Their contributions to Democrats dwarf their contributions to Republicans. When was the last time LA traffic was stopped because GW Bush went to Hollywood for a fundraiser? Never. It already happened twice in the 2.5 years of Obama's administration.

      Hollywood, the place, and Hollywood, the Industry, are two entirely different things. Most people who are involved in Hollywood, the Industry, do not actually live in Hollywood, CA.
      Yes, Obama stopped traffic in CA when he visited- because of how popular he is in that area. It has nothing to do with how much money people who live elsewhere gave to his campaign.

      The fact of the matter is that both the Dems and the GOP receive sizable donations from MIAA/RIAA lobby groups as well as direct campaign donations. Hollywood is not in bed with "the Dems" they are in bed with Congress.
      You need to stop treating Congress as two separate groups- they are one entity and need to be treated as such. Those people were not elected to only represent the view of people who voted for them, but to represent ALL of the people in the country. We need to stop letting the two groups hide behind party labels and demand that they stop fighting like children and get something done.

    8. Re:anyone really surpriced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blame it on Bush. He stopped cutting all that brush about the same time.

    9. Re:anyone really surpriced? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      No. there is nothing civil about that union.

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    10. Re:anyone really surpriced? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Traffic is always stopped in LA so that is a poor example.

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    11. Re:anyone really surpriced? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      His "popularity" has nothing to do with it. The traffic was stopped because of the street closures by the Secret Service. He was there for a fund raiser in person BECAUSE the people in the Hollywood business are such prolific Democratic party donors. Stop spinning.

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    12. Re:anyone really surpriced? by superwiz · · Score: 1

      If only he took up a more intellectual past time like golf like a normal person instead.

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    13. Re:anyone really surpriced? by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it's a "criminal union".

    14. Re:anyone really surpriced? by zzsmirkzz · · Score: 1

      Democrats are married to Hollywood.

      No, they are not. They are one-and-the-same. There is a subtle difference. Unless, you're saying the Democrats are married to themselves.

  10. 98 Percent Oppose the bill in Texas by paulsnx2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I know that U.S. Senator John Cornyn doesn't read Slashdot, but hey! it is interesting...

    Nation: 90 percent oppose.
    Texas: 98 oppose.

      https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s968/report#nation

    1. Re:98 Percent Oppose the bill in Texas by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Is this because they know something about it, or because it is something that Congress is considering?

    2. Re:98 Percent Oppose the bill in Texas by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Most likely because the polling site is self selecting for Internet Political Junkies.

    3. Re:98 Percent Oppose the bill in Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      98 % of the population may oppose perhaps, but Lamar Smith (TX-21) as chairman of the house Judiciary Committee both pours and drinks whatever the latest the kool-aid the industry wants. He'll smile and nod sympathetically when a clueful constituent engages him, but at vote time he tows the line as if he were bought and paid for by Hollywood. ACTA, Son-of-DMCA, or the latest patent folly, he's right there. He apparently believes that no IP grab, no matter how egregious, would be important enough for his district to unset him.

    4. Re:98 Percent Oppose the bill in Texas by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      98% of people who care about following the legislature and know about popvox and sign up.

      I'm guessing if you polled the general public it would be something like 75% don't care, 10% think its OK because a Dem proposed it, 10% think its crap because Dem proposed it, and 5% who understand what it means are against it.

  11. Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ORGS ENDORSING
    Graphic Artists Guild
    Independent Film & Television Alliance
    Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)

    ORGS OPPOSING
    American Association of Law Libraries
    American Library Association
    Association of Research Libraries
    Center for Democracy and Technology
    Demand Progress
    Don't Censor the Net!
    Fractured Atlas
    Public Knowledge
    Reporters Without Borders

    https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s968/report#nation

    1. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small nit. Maybe I'm missing something, but six of the nine organizations on your "opposing" list appear to be left-leaning lobbyist/advocacy groups who could be expected to oppose this type of bill (even without reading it, though I'm sure they did). The other three are librarian groups.

      In short, the list does not produce the overwhelming sense of "all the good guys are on one side" that may have been intended.

    2. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      The list wasn't provided with the intention to prove where the good guys and the bad guys stand on this fight. The list comes verbatim from the link provided. There are several notable organizations missing from the list, including the ACLU, EFF, and FSF, among others. I thought that was also interesting.

    3. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically the people that actually create the stuff want the law - the people who simply leech it for free don't. What a surprise.

    4. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      Why does it matter if they are "left-leaning" groups? The other three organizations endorsing the bill could also be described as left-leaning.

      I think the more relevant breakdown is that all the groups endorsing the bill are corporate lobby groups and all the groups opposing are not. If a bill only has support from corporate lobby groups that stand to benefit from the change in law, that's a pretty clear indicator that something is wrong.

    5. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the groups opposing it are poor by comparison. Do you expect a bunch of librarians to be able to buy politicians like the MPAA does?

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    6. Re:Who likes/dislikes the PROTECT IP act? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Damn them libraries, the leeches! Always trying to get stuff for free!

  12. It doesn't matter by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Funny

    You can have all the letters you want. You can roll sick kids in wheel chairs in to give speeches. If you didn't pay for the law, you don't get it's benefits. That's the way our new corporatist free enterprise system works.

    What do you expect for free?

    If you want a law, you hire a lobbyist. They will give you a quote, just like getting your driveway seal coated. You pay. You get what you want.

    Who do you think your congressmen and senators are working for anyway? You? Not likely.

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    1. Re:It doesn't matter by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Dude (or Dudette), let you not forget that unions, who, for exampe, pushed for Obama care and now have promptly petitioned to not be included in the provisions foisted upon everyone else.

      Lobbyists are the problem. ALL Lobbyists.

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    2. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would expect that in a country with free journalism the support of an impopular but bought law would be political suicide?

    3. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude (or Dudette), let you not forget that unions, who, for exampe, pushed for Obama care and now have promptly petitioned to not be included in the provisions foisted upon everyone else.

      Apparently not, after all.

    4. Re:It doesn't matter by characterZer0 · · Score: 1

      Lobbyists are just people offering money. The problem is the people who take the money and the people who vote for those who take the money.

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    5. Re:It doesn't matter by kurt555gs · · Score: 1

      Where exactly would this mythical country with "free journalism" be located?

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    6. Re:It doesn't matter by zzsmirkzz · · Score: 1

      Lobbyists are the problem.

      No, Lobbying is the problem. Lobbyists are just a side-effect. This institutionalized form of bribery (I can't see it really being called anything else) should be abolished for sames reasons Bribery is supposed to be illegal for all other people in Offices of Authority. An official act should never be able to be bought, by any one, at any price, at least not legally.

    7. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello Mr. Archangel Michael.

      What does a whoosh sound in heaven?

    8. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you even know the first thing about Obamacare? Do you want pre-existing conditions? The ability to cancel your group? Perhaps you'd still like to pay into an insurance policy where less than 80% is actually spent on your health care?

      Without unions there wouldn't be a middle class. The problem is reactionary politics stirred up by an irresponsible right wing media.

    9. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like a foghorn on wings. The annoyances keep on moving and they make a great targeting practice while we are waiting for the Kenny.

  13. $&%# dns just go back to host files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just use host files, no need to be at the mercy of these tightwads and DNS. It was a bad idea to begin with.

  14. Slashdot Masturbation Fantasies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the end, the only thing this law will accomplish is to drive internet business out of the country.

    Do you hear yourself?

    No. No, it won't. This law will do absolutely nothing of the sort, and you damned well know that.

  15. Constitution? by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I believe there is a section of the US constitution that prohibits punishing people without a trial. I realize that's a depreciated api but it's still worth noting that prior versions of us gov allowed such functions.

    1. Re:Constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only applies for criminal not civil.
      ianal

    2. Re:Constitution? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Problem is even if the API is deprecated that reason given for not supporting it will be that it isn't a punishment. Another thing this law may run afoul of is the takings clause, but that is also in the same section as the other deprecated APIs, and has also been found to no longer be a supported function.

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    3. Re:Constitution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, not really. Technically injunctions aren't considered punitive, but they've been around for a long time.

    4. Re:Constitution? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      PROTECT IP lowers the bar on what infringement is criminal. Put a video on Youtube with a copyrighted song in the background, get 10,000 views, and that is a criminal act under this law. Likewise if your website gets 10,000 views.

  16. First target: Wikileaks by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

    One of the most obvious targets of this kind of "copyright protection", applied to political speech, is Wikileaks. In many cases, the document owners did not consent for those documents to be published, so under the strictest interpretations of copyright law, without the political exceptions applied, they've already had their contribution funds siezed indefinitely by the relevant credit agencies. This would be just another spike in their destruction, much to the pleasure of corporate or government organizations whose secrets are exposed there.

    1. Re:First target: Wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? In the UK we cover this sort of stuff under Crown Copyright - which means you can reproduce it to your hearts content, and do what you like with basically. Surely the US stuff is covered by something similar?

      That sort of thing is pure copyright law - it's no different to the GPL for example.

  17. Miss Glenn Beck that Much, Do You? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if any of the actually fact checked noise on the Internet gets the attention of those who look for the noise they most like to hear?

  18. Leahy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone please run against Leahy. We really need to get that screwball douchebag out of office. He's really bad for the Net.

  19. This isn't about IP by samantha · · Score: 1

    This is a wedge in the door, the biggest so far, to allow the government to control the internet. This bill effectively allows government to close down any website they like almost on whim long before they get around to bringing the case to core, if ever. It is a continuance of precedent from the civil forfeiture laws in drug and other cases. Property is held to be guilty until proved innocent and is seized or shut down without any sort of due process.

    Don't just snigger sadly in year beer on this one. Fight for all you are worth as if your relatively free internet life depended on it.

  20. Ask for more than you want; get what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The government keeps pushing for more controls. Others push back.

    When the battle has been won and most of the government's wishes are lying in the dust both sides will be happy. Those who resist the changes will be happy because most of what was being pushed for will have been abandoned. The government will also be happy because what they wanted will have been achieved, quietly, amidst all the fuss, in full sight but while the opposition's attention was elsewhere.

    Don't be fooled by the headlines. Look at the facts.

  21. p2p DNS system by Syirrus · · Score: 1

    Time to make our own p2p DNS system. Government wants to interfere? No problem, we can make sure DNS stays in the hands of "we the people".

  22. Al Franken by gamemank · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised to see Al Franken on the sponsors list ( http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-968 ). He appears to champion net neutrality, and I would think fighting this kind of thing would be on the same agenda.

    1. Re:Al Franken by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Why surprised? Democrats are in Hollywood's pocket (no, not as much as Republicans... much, much, much more). The only reason that Republicans are against net neutrality is that it's bad business for the Newscorp-Microsoft deal. And Republicans are in the Newscorp's pockets. Other than net neutrality, most laws restricting Internet and general computer use come from Democrats.

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  23. Re:LOL! American Freedom! -Wwide they same people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    World wide it is the same. Citizens meaning well try to stay out of active political issues.. They keep their heads low, or worse they don't read history, they don't recognize government acts as important to themselves, so they end up victims.
    The Bankers, TRADERS and their bigger than "the nations they control " SENMACE on the ground soldiers already have control of most of the national and regional governments of most of the nations of the world. Like a virus, they impose copyright and patent monopoly to take charge of your life and mine. Citizens, meaning well and trying to stay below the radar, let SENMACE giants trespass on and over their freedoms, because the Traders and Bankers and the SENMACE soldiers work through the governments they control, to extract "protection payments" in the form of monopoly law [copyright and patent] instead of collecting their "protection payments" in Capone fashion, at mussel end of a gun..
    Legislation of this "monopoly type" affects everyone worldwide, because it becomes international law. Everyone's cause in freedom is at stake and in jeopardy when "trespass against freedom " becomes law. "New born" or "old age", grant of monopoly, affects prices, goods availability, jobs, job security, salaries, entrepreneurial competition and local economy independence.
    In the EU the SENMACE are forcing uniform copyright and patent monopoly laws to make cheaper and easier lobbying efforts to "crush and munch" citizens freedoms by positioning SENMACE dominance in the political, financial and knowledge sphere to tighten the belt against would be competition and actual freedom.
    Recognize this freedom quenching encroachment for what it is: worldwide, far reaching, and devastating.