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Lawyer Attempts To Trademark Bitcoin

An anonymous reader writes "A NY based lawyer has submitted an application to the US Patent and Trademark Office claiming first use of the term bitcoin on June 22nd, 2011. The evidence of first use in the form of a letter detailing his wife's offer to sell "bitcoin" for $17.50 on June 23rd. A pdf extolling the virtues of bitcoin has also been uploaded to his law firms webpage."

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  1. Punish Trolls by jarich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This beautifully illustrates why there should be some punishment for this type of behavior. He's obviously ignoring all prior art and forcing an already overloaded system to deal with this crap. Fine him.

    1. Re:Punish Trolls by Ice+Tiger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess he thought the wikipedia stub for Bitcoin created 8th March 2009 doesn't count as prior art or something.

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    2. Re:Punish Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice rant, but unfortunately your knowledge of intellectual property laws is about on par with the rest of slashdot. First, you can't trademark troll, since trademarks are only valid if in active use. Second, there's no such thing as prior art in trademark law. If Coca Cola went out of business tomorrow, and nobody bothered to buy up their trademark, it would be perfectly legal for me to start my own soda company called Coca Cola. Third, most of the fault here is Bitcoin's, as they should have registered the trademark themselves, or failing that, protected their trademark without registration.

    3. Re:Punish Trolls by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Prior art" is about patents. Trademarks have more to do with "common use" and in this case, I believe that can be easily demonstrated. Bitcoin is a "thing" not a brand and so it should not be eligible for trademark any more than "web browser" would be.

    4. Re:Punish Trolls by pacergh · · Score: 5, Informative

      While the term 'prior art' is a patent term, there is something directly similar called prior use. So the argument is still valid, even if the terminology is not legally exact.

    5. Re:Punish Trolls by pacergh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Registering a trademark isn't necessary. It's never been necessary. International laws have not changed trademarks like they have changed copyright.

      Even a registered trademark can be restricted geographically. An example is Waffle House. Waffle House is a chain of diner-like restaurants in the Southeast US. It has a federal mark for 'Waffle House.' However, a chain of Waffle House restaurants geographically located in Indiana (or Illinois, can't remember exactly) had used the mark in that geographic location prior to Waffle House seeking the federal registration.

      The result is that Waffle House cannot use the Waffle House name for its restaurants in Indiana because of the already-existing Waffle House restaurants. Instead, it goes by Waffle Steak.

    6. Re:Punish Trolls by m50d · · Score: 2

      So if I started a fresh root with a more sane mining rate policy, would/should I call it bitcoin?

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    7. Re:Punish Trolls by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fine him? he's a lawyer. disbar him. He's obviously unfit to be legal council.

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    8. Re:Punish Trolls by SplicerNYC · · Score: 4

      Loss of license to practice law for life might be a way to dissuade the next person.

    9. Re:Punish Trolls by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

      Want you smothered want you covered like my Waffle House hash browns...

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    10. Re:Punish Trolls by cusco · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the warning, I'll make sure to avoid them, too. (Although the term 'Waffle Steak' would probably have scared me off anyway.)

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    11. Re:Punish Trolls by rbrausse · · Score: 3, Informative

      no idea about the US but here(tm) in the EU trademarks are not registered exclusively for every usage but for one (or many...) classes according to the Nice Classification (stupid javascripty page, no idea how to deeplink to "Class Headings").

      So it would probably impossible to register the generic term "Internet" as trademark for class 38 (telecommunication) or 9 (data processing equipment and computers), but until 2009 (the holder deleted the trademark) "Internet" was in Germany registered for class 39 (travel arrangement).

    12. Re:Punish Trolls by hedwards · · Score: 2

      He's trying to trademark a term that's already in common use and claiming that his wife coined the term for somebody elses product. This isn't a case of somebody that's unaware that a term is already in use and trademarks it anyways. This is somebody that's deliberately trying to trademark a term which refers to a product that he doesn't own, control or create.

      Given the use that he's citing only the most ignorant of examiners isn't going to wonder how the first use can possibly be in a sales transaction without it being explained in the same document.

    13. Re:Punish Trolls by geekoid · · Score: 2

      Apple has no trademark on 'Podcast'

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    14. Re:Punish Trolls by nugatory78 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When BK wanted to enter the Australian market, the name Burger King was already in use. They tried to everything possible to get ownership of the name but failed. The current owner was happy with his business and refused to sell. Eventually (I think it was ~2003), BK got rights to the name and started renaming every store BK. I used to work for Hungry Jacks in the late 90's. All the training material was BK branded, even the equipment was.

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  2. I hereby move to trademark the word "dollar" by youn · · Score: 5, Funny

    my first documented use of the word dollar being today when I said enthusiastically, "oh a dollar sign... how cool would that be if every one paid me a dollar every time they used the word dollar" ;)

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    1. Re:I hereby move to trademark the word "dollar" by gilleain · · Score: 4, Funny

      my first documented use of the word dollar being today when I said enthusiastically, "oh a dollar sign... how cool would that be if every one paid me a dollar every time they used the word dollar" ;)

      Even better, every time they pay you, ask them "How much was that again?..." and they would reply "Oh, just a dollar..dammit!". You would be raking it in, so much so that you would have to construct some sort of special multi-rake machine to get it all.

  3. I'll trademark the term 'lawyer' then. by morikahnx · · Score: 2

    why not?

    1. Re:I'll trademark the term 'lawyer' then. by Morose · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, no downsides then?

  4. Why he will succeed by TurinPT · · Score: 2

    No bitcoin user is going to cough up the $300 required to counter his claim.

    1. Re:Why he will succeed by timholman · · Score: 2

      No bitcoin user is going to cough up the $300 required to counter his claim.

      Will the USPTO accept payment in BTC instead? :-)

  5. How did he even get through law school?? by bigrockpeltr · · Score: 2
    from his PDF:

    "Bitcoin transactions are virtually anonymous, and untraceable."

    4 lines later:

    "a public list of all previous transactions is collectively maintained by the members (peers) on the network."

    i guess it should be expected from someone trying to do something like this.

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    1. Re:How did he even get through law school?? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

      You don't get it. Bitcoin transactions are VIRTUALLY anonymous, not REALLY anonymous.

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  6. Link to the entry in the USPTO database by PSVMOrnot · · Score: 2

    I just checked, it's actually in the US Patent & Trademark Office's trademark database:

    http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=85353491

    By the looks of it, it will be three months before it is assigned to an attourney for review.

    I wonder if there is a fine for fraudulently claiming a trademark?

  7. I have already applied for copyrights by slackzilly · · Score: 3, Funny

    For the following words and characters:

    first
    post
    copyright
    patent
    plus
    +
    apple
    troll
    euro
    .

    I could apply for some more but I figure these will generate enough money for my needs. I am not greedy and selfish.

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  8. His business model makes sense to Slashdot crowd by turkeyfeathers · · Score: 2
    1. Trademark the term Bitcoin [tm]

    2. Collect a royalty everytime someone uses them

    3. Profit! He'll soon be a Bitcoin [tm] millionaire*

    * which will buy him a BigMac [tm] in the real world once that phony currency collapses.

  9. Vigilante justice by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    Now, normally, I am not a fan of vigilante justice, I should make that clear.
    The problem I see however is that it is clear that our system no longer has justice for the common man. Justice can be bought in America, this is clear. Judges routinely tear up the constitution in order to protect corporate interests.

    Lets say that a group of guys beat this guy down. I'm talking hardcore. Would the next guy think twice? What about beating 10 of these trolls down? How many beat downs would it take for the message to get out that the people are not going let you fuck them any more?

    1. Re:Vigilante justice by bussdriver · · Score: 2, Informative

      A witch wasn't a witch because there is no such thing (don't mention that silly religion like they actually have real witches.) A crooked bastard is something that exists and does so openly today with trite rationalizations as a defense -- not that they didn't do the stuff but that it is not a big deal go back and watch your TV...

      The post wasn't talking of burning then (something that involved murder) but beating the snot out of them.

      Those people are easy to spot and even if beaten in error; they will live and likely have plenty of money for healthcare. That being said, if this had any impact at all on the others it would be to make them less blatant or create more convincing excuses for their actions.

  10. Publicity Stunt by brainzach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of defending the trademark, the lawyer is promoting the virtues of Bitcoin. He is probably just trying to generate publicity to pump up the price of Bitcoins that his wife is selling. I doubt the lawyer is stupid enough to think he can be successful trademark Bitcoin.

  11. Re:He doesn't even understand bitcoin by Bryan3000000 · · Score: 2

    Apparently he thinks that all previous uses of the term "bitcoin" to describe the system were made in untraceable cryptographic transactions, so that no evidence can be produced that his use is not the first. If this is the case, he's proven himself to be more than somewhat of an idiot.

  12. Media Hog or Brilliant Unmasking of Creator? by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 2

    It's obviously a publicity stunt, as there is no real money to be gained from this. He has (successfully) made himself famous, now placed on Wikipedia and on news outlets eating up bitcoin news *cough*slashdot*cough*. Fame CAN be bought.

    The other thing to consider is whether or not this is a ploy to unmask the original creator of Bitcoin, who disappeared and remains completely anonymous. The lawyer might argue in a court case that only the original creator can defend or fight his claim. In that case... who is this lawyer working for that is trying to unmask the bitcoin creator?

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  13. Notice of Opposition by PurpleCarrot · · Score: 2

    All these arguments are great, except that they mean nothing if the mark gets published in the Official Gazette and no one files a notice of opposition within 30 days. Then the mark will be presumed valid and harder to overturn. After a certain point, the mark can no longer be challenged, so it's best to get in opposition as early as possible.

    If it gets past the first examiner, it will be published in the Official Gazette in the coming weeks (it's a weekly publication). That's when the notice of opposition should be filed. It costs $300, and requires proof of service to the applicant.

  14. Generacization by DrYak · · Score: 3, Informative

    The chief enemy of trademarks isn't "Prior Art" but becoming "Generic".

    It doesn't absolutely matter who used what first (unlike prior art & patents).

    What matters is :
    - In the market where a the trademarked product is sold, does this name clearly identifies the product as a separate marketed entity ?
    - Does the company owning the trademark actively work in order to avoid the term becoming generic.

    The first is why, sometime, plain normal dictionary words are acceptable as a trademark. Because in that market the word clearly is the specific product. As an example : an apple is a fruit. But Apple, in the IT world, is clearly the maker of Mac and iProducts, that's why its trademarkable. Then, when it moved into the music sector, things started to get problematic, because the Apple name was also widely known for a music publishing company. On the other hand you can't name a media player "Player" and attempt to trademark it this way, because the word "Player" is already used to describe the whole category of this product. It's not specific.

    (Also that explains why some words can be trademarked for lots of separate products by separate companies. There is a brand of diapers called "Unix". But the chance of making a confusion between an operating system and an accessory for babies).

    In today situation, bitcoins can't be used for a product name, because in the specific domain where lawyer attempts to trademark the word (in the realm of virtual currency) the word "bitcoin" has been already in use to designate a virtual currency. He can't claim the name for his own product. (Or at least not alone. He can still try to market his shop "Mama Jess' all honest Bitcoin trade" - or something along this idea)

    The second is why we very often see completely stupid suits happening now or then about trademarks. The owner has to be active preventing the word becoming generic. That's why Google is publishing explanation about how to correctly use this name. Otherwise there's a risk that people will start using as verb, and then use the verb to describe "searching on any search engine".

    Now, if the lawyer start pretending that in fact, he's also been working on his very own virtual currency-based product, that he back then decided to call "bitcoin" and is only filing the trademark now :
    Well, theorically, he could try filing the trademark so late (as said above, timeline isn't relevant), but the problem is that until now that he's filing it, he hasn't done anything to try to protect the trademark. Even if he genuinely wanted to call his product "bitcoin", it's too late because that word is now widely use to describe the virtual currency we all know about, not specifically the product that this lawyer has been trying to sell.

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  15. Unix diapers by DrYak · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a brand of diapers called "Unix"

    Are those for boy or girls? Or just universal?

    Apparently : they are unisex.

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