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Ask Slashdot: Large-Scale DIY Outdoor Cooling of Cairo's Tahrir Square?

ClimateHacker writes "The struggle for freedom is still ongoing in Egypt and one of the many challenges that face the demonstrators in Tahrir Square is the sweltering heat. Skies are mostly clear and temperatures can reach up to 44 degrees Celsius (111 F) with hardly any shade. The risk of life-threatening heat stroke is quite real. I ask clever Slashdotters out there for novel DIY passive and active ambient cooling techniques. Perhaps some ideas could be a model for saving energy on cooling elsewhere."

259 comments

  1. It's not difficult by ribuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Making shade is the obvious solution. Anything from portable gazebos to improvised Berber tents to poles and shade-cloth. Shade is going to be more efficient than anything else at keeping people cooler.

    If water can be spared, a fine mist of water in one part of the square would let people who have gotten too hot cool themselves down.

    1. Re:It's not difficult by Sique · · Score: 1

      That's why the oriental bazaar is either roofed or full of little stands with shade-cloth. And that's why oriental plazas often have small artificial creeks and lots of fountains - it's all for the cooling.

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    2. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just as the metal used in freezer-cooler boxes absorb heat, and that I've seen that implemented for football players who play in the heat, this can be deployed as small units for public usage as supplemental cooling stations.

    3. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice. If the government doesn't turn off your water ''cause you might be helping the terrorists"
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    4. Re:It's not difficult by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Also use reflective fabric for the shade-cloth. Reflect sunlight back in to the air.

    5. Re:It's not difficult by Zzootnik · · Score: 1

      I looked thru the discussion and couldn't find this one elsewhere....
      A Blimp. A Really Big, Shade Producing Blimp.
      Or failing that, maybe some thousands of individual mylar balloons?
      In either case, park them strategically, and should provide some shading for the square.

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    6. Re:It's not difficult by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      For cooling, Misting Tents are better than simple tents.

      http://www.bigfogg.com/product262.html

    7. Re:It's not difficult by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      May I suggest to use tin-foil to reflect the light?

      Reflected sunlight might be an effective demonstration tool.

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    8. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, the tinfoil will be extremely effective to block the mind control rays the government may be employing.

    9. Re:It's not difficult by Xest · · Score: 1

      Mount some solar panels up high and use them to power cooled tents- shade from the panels, and cooling in the tents!

    10. Re:It's not difficult by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I would also add improvised camelbaks like those used by the US military would probably help. Dehydration in those temps is VERY real and VERY dangerous whereas a couple of two liters filled with water frozen the night before with a hose or surgical tubing would not only provide cooling as the ice melts but a source of fresh drinking water.

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    11. Re:It's not difficult by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      with mist there might be temp cooling, but the problem is that it makes the air more humid, which makes it for more than the moment even worse.

      overtime the surroundings will become more humid.

      However it might work, as long as new air comes in which is not that humid. :)

    12. Re:It's not difficult by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      cover the plaza with solar panels :D :D
      Use the solar panel generated electricity half for ACs and whatever else is needed on the plaza, rest sold back to network ;)

    13. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am an Australian and this sounds awfully simple to me but normally when the temperature goes above 35C a good wide brim hat, long sleeve cotton shirt and cotton trousers solves plus a regular supply of drinking water solves 100% of heat problems. I have worked on industrial sites in the middle of the desert wearing full PPE, i have ridden horses on my cousins farms and this is pretty much what we always do and it works perfectly even on days when it goes up to 46-50C.

      Your body is a natural evaporative cooler with an adequate supply of water and adequate sun protection. But to tell you the truth i am not going to tell the inhabitants of a desert country how to keep cool, I'm sure they could ask their grandmothers and get the exact same advise.

    14. Re:It's not difficult by Thing+1 · · Score: 2

      Uh, you're mocking the answerer, fairly obviously. The response was not mocking, it was stating the obvious, and then working towards a solution from that. Go troll elsewhere.

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    15. Re:It's not difficult by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, blimps are not allowed to overfly Egypt. Something to do with the Hindenburg, probably. You never know, with all that explosive helium...

      It might be that it was some other country (countries) over in that region, but I think it was Egypt. Someone I know was doing a cross country trip in a blimp and had to make a huge detour.

    16. Re:It's not difficult by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      A Blimp. A Really Big, Shade Producing Blimp.

      Right,. The government is going to be real happy to allow that to make demonstrating against it easier.

      This "Ask Slashdot" is even more stupid and obvious pandering to the audience than usual.

    17. Re:It's not difficult by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Nope. The air is zero percent humid. It will suck the humidity away VERY quickly, leaving behind cool air.

      This is why swamp coolers work so well in the desert.

    18. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shade and mist are really the only solutions - they both redirect heat energy up to the sky. Anything "thermodynamically clever" that cools one area of the square without rejecting its heat straight upwards will make other parts of the square even hotter. Like American cities.

      Mylar sheeting on a light frame is tempting, but I don't think it has the same practicality as simple shade cloth, plus, if you are protesting, do you want to look like a common man or a techno-dork?

    19. Re:It's not difficult by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Color, tint, and coat everything white. Have white walls and roofs, white pavement, and maybe even white tires so the pavement won't be darkened as fast. Have self cleaning coatings of titanium dioxide.

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    20. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then the NATO can sell Gaddafi's Bedouin tent to the Egyptians?? I'm confused.. (must be the heat).
      I think you're confusing Libya with its neighbour Egypt.

    21. Re:It's not difficult by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      You never know, with all that explosive helium...

      1. The Hindenburg was filled with hydrogen.

      2. Hydrogen is explosive, not helium. Helium is a noble gas.

      I expect you were being sarcastic.

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    22. Re:It's not difficult by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Not quite. The relative humidity ranges from 37 to 80% over the course of the day. It's easy to think of Cairo as being in the desert, but there's a giant river running right through it that provides quite a bit of humidity. A similar situation happens in Qatar and Dubai, although there the humidity comes from the Gulf.

      This is really about "how do you cool a giant all-stone no-shade plaza".

    23. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desert people shouldn't need anything but a StillSuit...

    24. Re:It's not difficult by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Be sure to use brightly coloured ones for added propaganda effect. Umbrellas etc work too.

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    25. Re:It's not difficult by Zcar · · Score: 1

      Considering the square is roughly a kilometer from the Nile, I think there's plenty of water. Don't know about the water quality, so misting my not be the answer, but the evaporative towers others have mentioned should have fewer concerns with this.

    26. Re:It's not difficult by ThorGod · · Score: 1

      Shade will only take you so far. At temperatures above 105-110F, wind convection 'cooks' you where ever you may be.

      A fine mist of water will cool you much more (in a desert - I don't know if it'd be effective in a humid climate). The finer you can make the mist the less 'annoying' it will be (and more cooling). If you can combine the two, mist and shade, you might even be comfortable.

      Anyway, I've learned some other DIY tricks for cooling myself in the desert. I always carry a metallic (no insulation) water canteen with me.* Hold the canteen close against the underside of your wrists or against the nape of your neck. Your blood pulls the heat from your body into the canteen and decreases your average temperature slightly. Be patient, though, this trick takes a couple minutes to start working.

      *The canteen maintains coolness in heat for quite a while. Putting some ice in the canteen makes this trick all the more effective and longer lived. Virtually anything that's cool should work.

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    27. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think shade cloth is the way to go, esp. since it can be used to promote your message. Kind of like the placards under the seats at college football games. Filling the square with little/ manageable suspended sections of shade cloth that when put together make a larger message would be great for everyone. And get new people down to the square to participate since it's more than just marching and picketing.

    28. Re:It's not difficult by Darktan · · Score: 1

      Tree planters (in Canada, at least) use Silvicool tarps too keep caches of seedings from cooking in the sun. They're a white tarp with aluminized Mylar on one side. I can attest that they're really quite effective.

    29. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest eating lots of cold pork sandwiches. With cheese, to protect against Jews. What? Your stupid religion has the same restrictions against pork as the Jews who are trying to to end your existence? What have you got against cheese? Well fuck your religion. And fuck the Jews. (Cheese-hating terrorists. Fuckers shot our guys on the USS liberty, and they damn well, knew what they were doing. Strafed the fucking life rafts, the miserable Zionist bastards. And that asswipe Silverstein collected twice for the 9/11 attacks when he didn't own the property, had set up the insurance just a few weeks earlier, and talked every fucking week on the phone with the Israeli prime minister. (Any other day of the week he and his kids would have been there on the top floor. Asswipe.))

      Or broad-brimmed hats and spray bottles of water for evaporative cooling. Oh, and fuck your religion.

    30. Re:It's not difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you, asswipe. Egypt's scum-sucking elite got there as the US-Israeli minions. Libya, OTOH, had the highest GDP per capita and direct democracy better than your Zio-whore system. Oh, and the Lockerbie bombing was the CIA protecting their Bekaa heroin route, not the Libyans. No credible evidence of Libyan terroriam has been produced - other than the supposed Rebels that NATO is supporting - they cut off heads, they cut off nuts, they torture, and murder, so of course the US backs them. Fuck you, you'll never get the water, fuck you you'll never get the oil, fuck you, you'll never get the people. But you'll reap the whirlwind, motherfucker. And justice be done.

  2. Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by tinkerghost · · Score: 5, Informative

    Pheonix Az & several other cities use tall evaporative towers to cool plazas -- pump water to the top & let it cascade down over tera-cotta tiles. The evaporation drops the air temperature and the cooler air combined with the dropping water forces the cooler air out the bottom of the tower.

    1. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 2

      Assuming the need for a temporary setup, the park is only about 2 blocks away from the Nile River. It should be possible to use a pump truck or something to pump the water in. There are some things to look out for, though. For instance, the smell of raw river water, blocking city streets with the temporary line, and the political football it gives to any opposition if (even decommissioned) fire-fighting equipment is used for a political event. E.G. politicians in the US will take emergency equipment out of service during a disaster to use as a photo opportunity instead to generate publicity and fake "leadership" imagery.

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    2. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A tall tower open at the bottom to the square and at the top can be made to generate a significant up-draft of air, cooling the street-level. The top of the tower needs to heat up in sunlight to generate the up-draft. This system exists in a number of mosques and old, traditional buildings in Egypt to cool the street-level covered walkways. You need to have a tall building with a stair-well or similar open tower at the down-wind end of the square, and to cover the area leading up to the tower.

      All shade and covers should be removed at night to maximise the cooling of the earth, and re-covered when earth has stopped cooling - this can actually be quite late, when the sun is low, and does not mean getting up in the early dawn.

      Evaporative cooling, like the bush-air-conditioner, can be used if the local humidity is low. Wet the shading fabric and it will cool with evaporation. It becomes unpleasant as the local humidity rises, so use the minimum water to keep the fabric damp and no water if the fabric stays damp.

    3. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      Let's build tall towers, yay!

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    4. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Problem: This is a protest. The government probably isn't going to approve, and that long pipe is just a very easy target. A man with an axe, or even a deniable 'accident' with a truck to lessen the diplomatic fallout, and the coolant supply is gone.

    5. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by vlm · · Score: 1

      Problem: This is a protest. The government probably isn't going to approve, and that long pipe is just a very easy target. A man with an axe, or even a deniable 'accident' with a truck to lessen the diplomatic fallout, and the coolant supply is gone.

      Bucket brigade... its only "two blocks". Where I live that means either about 100 feet or about 2000 feet. Either way, they seem to have enough people. It would only take at most a thousand people to pass buckets.

      The obvious solution, is to move the protest where its cool. If the square is symbolic, you only need enough people in it to be symbolic, and put the masses along the cool riverbank? If they're trying to get international press, when I hear Egypt I think the pyramids (hard to keep cool) and the nile, where its easier to keep cool. Some square I've never heard of before the protests? Naah.

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    6. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Swamp cooler.

      Swamp cooler swamp cooler swamp cooler swamp cooler.

      Seriously, I moved to Phoenix from East Bumfuck, PA, and they're the best invention ever. A/C works fine, but it's hard work to keep a room at 0% humidity when you have to pump more heat into the 117F outside. Swamp coolers kill two birds with one stone, they cool AND humidify the air.

      I saw a guy with a 50-gallon trash container with polka-dot sized holes cut in it, a ring of (polyethylene, i think) foam attached to a metal frame inside, filled with about half a foot of water. He had an air duct attached to suck air through the center of the foam ring. THe whole apparatus sat outside his fifth-wheel RV, ducting the chilled air inside.

    7. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot to add for all you non-desert lovers, 117F isn't really all that awful. No worse than a Pennsylvania summer where it's pushing 90, with the air completely saturated with moisture. Sweating is actually quite useful here.

    8. Re:Evaporative cooling towers are standard .... by CrazyDuke · · Score: 1

      Aww, how cute. The mosquito thinks he's important because he can make people smack themselves in annoyance.

      1. Posit accusation against target as absolute fact to the audience.

      We are here:
      2. Target denies accusation, inadvertently reinforcing the accusation in the audience.

      The next steps are:
      3. Embellish the accusation to provide a false sense of tangible evidence. Come off as confident, making self appear charismatic.
      4. Target attempts to prove innocence, reinforces accusation more. Comes off as desperate, making them appear to be a loser. ...
      n. Hurray for availability cascade!

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  3. Tarp. by the_raptor · · Score: 0, Troll

    Get a tarp.
    Get some poles.
    Profit.

    Which is what I saw the protesters doing months ago. You get some shade, drink lots of water, and avoid heavy exertion. Basic hot weather protocol, which is all those protesters are going to bother to do. This isn't fucking rocket science, but this is one of the most retarded Ask Slashdots I have ever read.

    Why the fuck does your Western arse think it is smarter then the people who have lived in those climates for at least the past thousand years?

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    1. Re:Tarp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why the fuck does your Western arse think it is smarter then the people who have lived in those climates for at least the past thousand years?

      Because we have air conditioning, internet and Haagen-Daaz and they still live on dirt floors kissing their cousins' camel?

    2. Re:Tarp. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Hand out some umbrellas, aka "parasols".

      Para = stop
      Sol = sun
      Parasol = Sunstopper

      While we're having a Spanish lesson, sombra=shadow and from that we get the word for hat: Sombrero ("shade maker") - hand out some wide brimmed hats.

      Maybe some fans as well ... you know, the all the things people used to use before remote controls became a substitute for thinking.

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    3. Re:Tarp. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      It's a legitimate question, and 10 hours at slashdot saves an hour creeping @sandmonkey or @telecomix or any of the other places where this has been discussed, or an hour at the library.

      Also, I concur with Mathinker at (#36718270)

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    4. Re:Tarp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And "umbrella" itself comes from "umbra" = shadow

    5. Re:Tarp. by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      My bad, I forgot "Spanish" is a synonym for "Stereotype Mexican" over there...

      Sombrero just means 'hat', not necessarily the Mariachi type.

      Doesn't change the fact that they're fscking Egyptians and have over 3000 years of experience dealing with sunlight. I'm not sure a bunch of orange-fingered basement dwellers can teach them much. If you want to help, send money to the people who are taking them food and water.

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    6. Re:Tarp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck does your Western arse think it is smarter then the people who have lived in those climates for at least the past thousand years?

      Just curious, what makes you assume the guy asking the question isn't actually from Egypt? Sentences like "I ask clever Slashdotters out there for novel DIY passive and active ambient cooling techniques" make me think he may not be a native English speaker, at least.

      And why do you think that being from those parts magically imparts knowledge of how to effectively and efficiently cool large open areas where lots of people congregate? This stuff isn't in your genes, you know.

      Yes, poles and tarps are an obvious solution. Great, you get a cookie for suggesting the obvious, and another one for seriously believing that the submitter wouldn't have thought of that. Obviously, they did, but they're asking if anyone else has other ideas, things that perhaps aren't immediately obvious and that could be used to augment and enhance the obvious solutions.

      Way to prove your ignorance, friend.

    7. Re:Tarp. by the_raptor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And why do you think that being from those parts magically imparts knowledge of how to effectively and efficiently cool large open areas where lots of people congregate?

      Maybe because this isn't a novel situation you dumbfuck. The people that live in Egypt have dealt with this issue on a daily basis for thousands of years. This isn't a matter of a group of people going to a place whose environment is out of the bounds of their everyday experience. If the question was "I am going to Egypt as a tourist and would like to know how to deal with the heat" it might be a valid question. Thinking that a bunch of mostly Western nerds can come up with a better solution then the natives, that can be rolled out in time to have any effect on the protesters in Tahrir square, is Western arrogance of the extreme.

      "Oh the poor little brown people are too naive to understand that standing in the sun all day is tiring!"

      If the Egyptians need our help in anything it is in making sure our governments stop supporting oppressive regimes. Not tips on dealing with hot weather.

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    8. Re:Tarp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mad bro?

      You sound like really great guy and not a giant dick at all.
      I hope we can we be friends because I bet you're a really fun guy to spend time with.

    9. Re:Tarp. by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

      A friend of me told me a history of an american customer that got into her store in Mexico looking for some home decorating stuff, and then the customer ROFL at a picture of Don Quijote and Sancho Panza vs the windmills saying: "Look!! these are mariachis in Holland!".

      In reality, the most common type of hat used in Mexico is of the same shape than the one used in Texas and Southwest USA, that does make sense since culturally it was the same place for 200 years and the environment and farming jobs were very similar.

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    10. Re:Tarp. by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      OK ... good point. OTOH they overthrew their corrupt government, and we still put up with our criminal bastards who need to be ... removed. Not now, ten years ago.

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    11. Re:Tarp. by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      You must be looking for 4chan.

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  4. Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1
    The shade of a tent cooled by Peltier elements powered by the PV panels on top of the tent. No moving parts.

    Water will help as well... drink it plenty.

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    1. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't that add to the heat? The waste heat transported by Peltier elements needs to be moved somewhere else, otherwise you'll just get more heat stemming from the thermodynamic inefficiency of the process.

      Sure, the hot air might rise upwards and the tents might gain some cooling from such a setup, but I think this needs testing in real life in order to determine whether the real effect will be that of cooling, or warming.

    2. Re:Shade by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Peltier elements are not only expensive, but not very effective at cooling areas. If you had an array of PV panels you'd be better off having them power fans.

      Of course if you had unlimited resources or knew of where to get unbelievably cheap PV panels and massive and amazingly efficient and large Peltier elements a PV array roof with a Peltier cooled floor in the middle of an area like this would be pretty awesome. It's a shame it's probably economically impossible.

    3. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that only add to the heat present in the system? Unless you solve the problem of moving the waste heat somewhere away from the place, you'll just introduce more heat produced by thermodynamic inefficiencies of the process involving transport of heat using Peltier elements - the laws of thermodynamics, especially the first one, are ruthless.

      True, the air heated by radiators attached to Peltier elements might get hot enough to raise upwards and travel away from the camp, but you'd need to perform real world tests to really know whether the effect that you achieve would be that of cooling, or warming.

    4. Re:Shade by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      You are correct...you could maybe spray the tents with water but the increased humidity in the plaza might be more uncomfortable than the heat.

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    5. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Mount the Peltier elements outside the tent, with the cold side on the tent canvas (wasn't it evident?). Have the canvas wet to have a better heat conductivity.

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    6. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's obvious, but what do you do about the unmanageably hot sides of the elements that hang outside the tents? They will emit heat into the air, the air will circulate and reheat the surroundings and possibly the insides of the tents... What about people who travel between the tents?

    7. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Peltier elements are not only expensive, but not very effective at cooling areas.

      Not that expensive (certainly lot less expensive than the PV - I reckon these are the bottleneck).
      It is going to be expensive anyway - you are fighting 1kW/sqm incoming flux, with an outdoor temperature that makes a heat transfer against entropy a pain - with water not quite easily spared.

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    8. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 1

      You need to solve the problem of transporting the heat away, otherwise you're doing a thing that amounts to (pardon my French) shitting next to your dining table.

    9. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      I'm betting at a max to a 30 centigrade between the hot and cold side. Say a 25-27C on cold to a 55-57C the hot side - not that hot to burn one when briefly touched.
      In regards with the increased temperature outside - that's an opened system, with the convection eliminating most of it. Anyway, the balance of incoming energy is the same: the Peltiers are powered by PV-es, this the total heat eliminated cannot be higher than the incoming solar radiation.

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    10. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1
      Convection - it's not like the heat extracted from the tent will start forming some kind of ponds outside, is it?

      Now, look, I know what I'm saying is sound from the physics perspective. I also know that the problem is the cost (for the PV mainly), this is what it makes the solution impractical.

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    11. Re:Shade by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's obvious, but what do you do about the unmanageably hot sides of the elements that hang outside the tents?

      They could be cooled using Peltier elements.

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    12. Re:Shade by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      No. The only extra heat would be owing to a change in albedo from the solar panels. Enhanced convection outside the tent should more than compensate that. You can't add more energy than is already entering the system with solar. you are just making use of the low entropy of few photons as it converts to higher entropy of many photons (of lower individual energy). The energy stays the same and the entropy conversion would happen anyway without the PV. You would get net heating if you used grid power since then you would be bringing energy in that was not already coming in anyway.

    13. Re:Shade by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Peltiers suck up energy. The area of PV panels needed would be impractical. The only use I can see for peltiers in this situation would be to cool down drinking water.

    14. Re:Shade by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      If the humidity is low from the beginning it might work fine, and setting up a system using evaporation of water can be very effective. In reality that method has been in use in some areas of the world for a long time. Way before the use of modern air conditioning units as seen here.

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    15. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 1

      Not quite. Without PV, lots of solar enerdy would simply get reflected (assuming that the tents would be made of a bright material - you could even possibly use bare sheet metal roofs that would act like mirrors, reflecting most of that energy with just a fraction of complexity of the system involving PV and Peltier).

      With PV, you are deliberately accepting that energy using dark solar panels and have to do something with it.

    16. Re:Shade by the_olo · · Score: 1

      Sorry, took a minute to reread what you said about albedo and convection. Are you sure that you don't overestimate convection here?

    17. Re:Shade by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      Convection kicks in when there is a large temperature gradient. The hot side of the coolers will have a gradient and should thus create thermals that would not otherwise be there. That carries warm air out. It may not be very important compared to what the wind does anyway.

    18. Re:Shade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's obvious, but what do you do about the unmanageably hot sides of the elements that hang outside the tents?

      They could be cooled using Peltier elements.

      Funny. Seriously, though: If you stack them vertically really high, right....

      Would that also require a wind to move the heat away from over the square? Without any wind, it would be more lika a closed system, wouldn't it? Then Homer would appear, bringing scolding reprimands:

      "Tahir Square! In this city we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"

      ???

    19. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Peltiers suck up energy. The area of PV panels needed would be impractical. The only use I can see for peltiers in this situation would be to cool down drinking water.

      Yes, but ... the shade the PV-es generate ;) !

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    20. Re:Shade by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Im not sure whether fans would help at 110f-- it may help your body cool evaporatively, but you will also be heating people up by blowing air warmer than their bodes over them. Seems to me it would be self defeating, and just increase the rate at which they get dehydrated.

      Can anyone else comment, whether the rate of cooling would be higher than the rate of heating?

    21. Re:Shade by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      How is that not expensive? A buy it now price of $16 for a 4cm square plate... that's a 25x25 grid for a square meter coming out to an even $10,000 per meter!? Or do you intend to tape them to everyones forehead and hook them up to the grid with a bunch of wire?

    22. Re:Shade by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      Excellent point.

    23. Re:Shade by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Depends on the relative humidity. At very low humidity, it's cooling; at very high humidity, it's not. Ballpark, you can cool down to a few degrees above the wet bulb temperature.

    24. Re:Shade by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Is there some way we could use Brawndo, or maybe just electrolytes? Brawndo has electrolytes. 'Cause it's got electrolytes.

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    25. Re:Shade by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Utterly moronic. A heat pump to cool water, sprayed on the crowds using the Nile as a heat sink, now that would be about a hundred times more efficient and effective, but still impractical. Peltier coolers is about as stupid as praying for fairies to raise a cooling breeze with their goddamn wings.

      No, the only practical ideas are:
      1. hats
      2. water spray bottles
      3. awnings
      4. cold drinks
      5. big fucking fans with water-misters when the above aren't enough

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    26. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Do you really want a freezing chamber in the tent? Otherwise, you perform the computation based on the (power x efficiency) that you need.

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    27. Re:Shade by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Utterly moronic. Peltier coolers is about as stupid as praying for fairies to raise a cooling breeze with their goddamn wings.

      As moronic as the question of the OP? To such a question, such an answer... Geesh: I ask clever Slashdotters out there for novel DIY passive and active ambient cooling techniques. - like the traditional methods of the Egyptians living there for thousands of years are no longer valid?

      I mean, do you really think there are any solutions for fighting an energy flux of 1 kW/sq.m on a quite large open space and create a temperature gradient against a 44C?

      Assuming an area 100 x 100 m, that means an energy influx of 10 MW - if only 50% needs to be eliminated it means constantly extracting 5 MW - with a "cooling technique" of a 30% efficiency, you need a 15 MW installed power - that's the power of 3 heavy diesel electric locomotives.

      No, the only practical ideas are: 1. hats 2. water spray bottles 3. awnings 4. cold drinks 5. big fucking fans with water-misters when the above aren't enough

      Of course they are.

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    28. Re:Shade by Kagetsuki · · Score: 1

      These are contact coolers, just putting them out won't do much for ambient temperature. On top of that they cool progressively, essentially taking heat from one side of the element to the other. You'd need to position the hot side against something, that something would have to be cooler than ambient temperature, and since they are contact coolers you'd need to have your cooling target touching the pad. You can calculate power x efficiency all you want, if you don't understand how the element operates or the thermodynamics involved you're going to end up with a whole bunch of expensive tiles with wires sticking out.

  5. Ask a silly question by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    Wear long, loose white clothes. Place a towel or something similar on/around your head, sort of like a hood.

    I've heard that they do this with great success in some countries.

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    1. Re:Ask a silly question by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Wear long, loose white clothes.

      Or black clothes, like the Bedouins:
      http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v283/n5745/abs/283373a0.html

      Seriously, this entire Ask Slashdot is just hilarious to me. Our collective fat asses are supposed to tell desert natives how to keep cool and hydrated? Heh.

    2. Re:Ask a silly question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desert natives in Cairo? Really?

    3. Re:Ask a silly question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You assume that there aren't any desert natives reading slashdot.

    4. Re:Ask a silly question by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>Desert natives in Cairo?

      Cairo is in the desert.

      The people that live in Cairo should know better how to deal with the heat - again, in Cairo - than random people on the internet.

  6. people power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only cool and innovative thing I think would work is setting up a piezoelectric floor to power some mist fans. Otherwise, just get out of the farking sun and put up some shade.

  7. Simple Distributed Cooling System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about each person bringing in a small circular tub (1ft dia) that has 5ltrs of water and keeping it near to him/her.

  8. Watercooling by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    Water evaporating from clothes. Arrange for fire service to spray people with water from the trucks. This is quite common in outdoor festivals - the car moving very slowly through the crowd, and firemen pouring a mist of water over the crowd. This suffices for a hour or so, can be repeated as needed. Also, if anyone faints, or feels otherwise ill, they can be handed over to the fire truck to be taken out to a medical station..

    Otherwise, if you can't get cars, just get a bottle of water for yourself and pour it over yourself from time to time.

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    1. Re:Watercooling by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Here you go! This is the ONLY realistic solution. Keep everyone wet. You're not going to be able to put shade up and keep it up in a space you don't really control.

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    2. Re:Watercooling by jpvlsmv · · Score: 1

      And supplement the water delivery system with a chemical that will enhance "donations" of additional water from the participants.

      Water cannons and tear gas. Great idea.

      And shooting the protesters will reduce their body heat's contribution too.

      --Joe

    3. Re:Watercooling by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2

      Arrange for fire service to spray people with water from the trucks

      "We weren't trying to disperse the crowd with water cannons! We were just trying to help them cool off!"

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    4. Re:Watercooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [[Arrange for fire service to spray people with water from the trucks.]]

      I heard they used to do this in Alabama, back in the '60s.

    5. Re:Watercooling by treeves · · Score: 1

      Sure, and if the protesters start to overheat in other ways, you can always increase the water pressure (think water cannon) and "cool them off quickly".

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  9. Duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scantily clad women with large fans (to fuel the fervor for women's rights, while cooling everyone off, of course.)

  10. Get a job in an air conditioned office by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

    And be part of the solution, you lazy smelly hippies.

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  11. Glas, cooled water by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1
    I recently saw this and think it might work if you're looking for a more complex solution as all the obvious:

    Have water run over a thin plate of some sort (glass is more aestethical pleasing) and have a stream of cold water run over it while your container or source of water is cooled. (your container before repumps the water fe.)

    In these temperatures, place de device preferably in a enclosed improvised portable room (aka "tent").

    The result should be a pleasing soothing sound of water, in cooled down high humidity where you can optionally get funky with a nice beer while you're protesting.

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  12. The obvious solution by kubajz · · Score: 2

    Let's see... something that reflects heat, and has other possible benefits against an abusive government... hmmmm...

    Have you considered a tinfoil hat?

  13. Giant inflatable dome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with air conditioners!

  14. A wet towel around the neck by wrwetzel · · Score: 1

    A wet towel around the neck is an efficient way to stay cool. The evaporating water cools the towel and the adjacent arteries and veins going between the brain and torso. Bill

  15. Simple and effective, white sheets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have seen two layers of shade work very well. The first layer absorbs the sunlight and the second layer spaced apart beneath creates a draft between the two layers which isolates the people below from the upper hot shaded material. White is much better at reflecting heat, dark colours absorb heat. Fans or moving air is more practical than cooling. So two white sheets spaced 50cm apart would be best. Keep the sheets as high up as possible.

  16. Solar Updraft? by imunfair · · Score: 1

    Obviously not a DIY solution - but I was wondering if a government wanting to do this on a large scale could actually use a solar updraft tower type design directly above the area that would suck hot air out and bring in a breeze and and (hopefully) cooler air from the surrounding vicinity. Bonus: you get power from it as well

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower
    http://science.slashdot.org/story/01/12/10/0610203/Thermal-Solar-Plant-To-Be-Erected-In-Australia

    1. Re:Solar Updraft? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      All those people will already do that. people at the perimeter of the group will be a LOT cooler than the ones in the middle.

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    2. Re:Solar Updraft? by IICV · · Score: 1

      Why do you think Egyptian architecture (and Arabic architecture in general) is full of minarets?

    3. Re:Solar Updraft? by johndmartiniii · · Score: 1

      I think you mean domes (qubaab in Arabic). You find them in a lot of Middle East architecture. Minarets (maazin in Arabic) are the towers attached to mosques which were classically used to call the azaan--the Muslim call to prayer. They largely have no function now as all but the most anachronistic muezzins call the prayer using a microphone and loudspeakers. I suppose the minarets are a good place to hang the loudspeakers.

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    4. Re:Solar Updraft? by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      And those fucking loudspeakers are by far the most rational reason to want to bomb the goddamn Mohammedans back to the stone age. If that had been the sales pitch, I'd be 110% behind the ongoing ordinance distribution program.

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  17. Thats hot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come live in Darwin, Australia where the temp gets as high as 40c with 100% humidity!!!.... Harden the f%$k up!! lol......

  18. Ridiculous troll by slasho81 · · Score: 0

    This sounds completely like a troll. First, the weather in Cairo is hot, but not 44 degrees C hot. Second, people do not hold prolonged protests in Tahrir nowadays. Third, protesting isn't supposed to be an easy activity. You're not guaranteed certain conditions like you're in a freaking office. Forth, any real protestor would worry about tear-gas and batons way more than they would about the heat.

    1. Re:Ridiculous troll by johndmartiniii · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is not a troll. Or if he is, he has is head unwittingly in the right place.

      There have been protests again in Tahrir for about a week. They ramped up on Friday and haven't really abated since. They also regularly happen on Fridays. The Egyptian army have been hesitant to use force again after a few recent incidents which got entirely out of hand. Here's a link to a local English translation daily on the protests this past weekend: http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/475123.

      It is not unreasonable for protesters in Cairo to be concerned about this sort of thing at all. The biggest protests happened in the middle of the winter when cold is a serious issue, particularly at night. Up until the beginning of July the weather has been quite mild, but just this week we have had two 40+C days. Yesterday was still stifling at 38C. Today is a breath of fresh air (sort of) at 32C, but it is always about 4-6 degrees hotter downtown, even with the river right there. It can be terribly dangerous. It's easy to get dehydrated or to develop heat/sun stroke rapidly without realizing it.

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  19. Summary of snobbery by Mathinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery. OTOH, if some genius here can somehow, with only second- to third-hand knowledge of what kind of resources are really available and what conditions are really like over there, come up with a solution which will make their life easier, I'm all for it.

    I'm not holding my breath.

    1. Re:Summary of snobbery by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery.

      We're going to tell desert people how to keep cool...!

      How about some air conditioned shoes...

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    2. Re:Summary of snobbery by memyselfandeye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery. OTOH, if some genius here can somehow, with only second- to third-hand knowledge of what kind of resources are really available and what conditions are really like over there, come up with a solution which will make their life easier, I'm all for it.

      I'm not holding my breath.

      No kidding. What kind of snob asks how to actively and passively cool a city that has been around longer than almost any other city on the planet. I can seriously imagine some ridiculous sandal wearing tree hunger walking around Cairo right now dripping all over the place bitching and moaning about how "quaint these people are that they can't figure out how to survive in the desert. iPhone... to the Internet. Find me the the answers that have alluded this ancient civilization for millennia. While we're at it, ;let's start a blog to figure out perpetual motion so we can finally put big oil out of business."

      So here's my advice. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Or in parlance... If you can't stand the heat, take your iPhone and fly back to your air conditioned hovel in New England. And try to avoid 'constructive criticism' of that 'authentic demonstrating mother' whose taken her child outside in the 'child endangering' heat... mother's always know best.

      This just pisses me off more than my relatives visiting me in New Mexico and bitching about the heat... ignoring the crystal clear skies, clean air, and mosquito free evenings.

    3. Re:Summary of snobbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My God, it exists.

    4. Re:Summary of snobbery by bytesex · · Score: 2

      We're going to tell desert people how to keep cool...!

      How about some air conditioned shoes...

      You'd never get them past the TSA.

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    5. Re:Summary of snobbery by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Informative

      People generally hang towels soaked in ice water around their neck. We do this sailing down wind here in Texas (no shade, no apparent wind due to the speed and direction of the boat) in the summer. Your neck has two giant arteries in it and quite a bit of blood flow, not to mention the ice water soaks your shirt and gives enormous evaporative cooling. The icewater gives immediate relief and the evaporation keeps you cool for 45 min or more. AFAIK this is a pretty common practice in hot areas.

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    6. Re:Summary of snobbery by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I doubt they have to worry about any tree hugging iPhone using New Englanders or Old Englanders for that matter since they have managed to kill their number one industry which was tourism. It's relatively easy getting rid of a government but you should at least try and have some sort of plan to replace the old before you start storming the barricades.

    7. Re:Summary of snobbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly, it reeks of of how the author seeks to impose such Western contrivances like "blocking the sun using physical objects" similar to how the same violation was done in years past to the Egyptian subspecies, one that has genetically evolved a series of miniature demons that allow the naked body to expel fast-moving molecules so that the body can maintain a temperature of 37 degrees Celsius whilst the ambient temperature is 44 degrees and in bright sunlight.

    8. Re:Summary of snobbery by isorox · · Score: 1

      I doubt they have to worry about any tree hugging iPhone using New Englanders or Old Englanders for that matter since they have managed to kill their number one industry which was tourism. It's relatively easy getting rid of a government but you should at least try and have some sort of plan to replace the old before you start storming the barricades.

      I went on holiday to Cairo in May, wonderful time to go. There's never been any danger to tourists, aside from people unused to checkpoints that went out for a period of about 3 days in the height of the revolution.

      There's hardly anyone in the Egyptian museum, rock up to the great pyramid at 12 and walk straight in (normally last ticket is sold at 08:46, 90 second after opening), and a 6 day holiday, staying in 5* accommodation, swanky resturants, etc. with a business class day trip to luxor, cost less than 12 days in Greece in June, staying for free with my parents.

      I strongly advise you to go now, before the Muslim Brotherhood take over and it becomes like Saudi.

    9. Re:Summary of snobbery by fritsd · · Score: 1

      Certainly, it reeks

      I see what you did there!
      Won't someone think of the poor Maxwell's demons working themselves into a sweat..

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    10. Re:Summary of snobbery by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      We're going to tell desert people how to keep cool...!

      Just do what we do in the more civilized West: chug an ice cold bottle of beer and go inside to your heavily air conditioned condo, which is powered by the remains of ancient dinosaurs that we drill out of the ground at great expense from...Egypt!

      See how neat that works? It's like a big circle that only makes one rotation and only goes in one direction.

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    11. Re:Summary of snobbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery. OTOH, if some genius here can somehow, with only second- to third-hand knowledge of what kind of resources are really available and what conditions are really like over there, come up with a solution which will make their life easier, I'm all for it.

      I'm not holding my breath.

      Given that the government violently opposes demonstrations, any even remotely complex, large scale or expensive solution is infeasable as the army will destroy it soon enough. Whoever posted the question probably did not know much about Tahrir square, dictatorships or conditions in Egypt.

    12. Re:Summary of snobbery by werfele · · Score: 1

      . .. . a city that has been around longer than almost any other city on the planet.

      Cairo dates back to the 1st century, so it's not really a contender for the oldest city on the planet. On the other hand, you could try to bridge in the history of Memphis, which was only 12 miles away.

    13. Re:Summary of snobbery by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I visited there a couple of years ago and had a fairly good time but I think I will hold off making any future plans until all the excitement settles down.

    14. Re:Summary of snobbery by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      I was just there for work from Saudi Arabia. Your experience is completely different from what happened with me and my co-workers. One guy was robbed at knife point in a tourist market in the daytime. Police offering hash. Tanks in the street. I guess if we stayed at the Hilton it would've been different.

      I don't think it'll become like Saudi. I don't think anywhere could become like Saudi.

    15. Re:Summary of snobbery by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery."

      The very Tahrir Square is stinking colonialistic snobbery. Nobody in his sane mind would put a, what? one hundred diameter square in the open in the mid of Cairo except because that's what "civilized" people (aka Napoleonic heritage) do, exactly because what the article referes to: 44ÂC under the Sun in summer.

    16. Re:Summary of snobbery by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      PopeRatzo, I'm a long time fan, first time responder, but they ain't drilling much oil in Egypt.

      Yeah, I guess I'm behind the times. We're not getting the oil from Egypt any more.

      I wonder how many decades pass by before the US is in the same.

      You don't have to wait, we're already there. The con artists and corruption are at the top. And by "the top" I mean corporations.

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    17. Re:Summary of snobbery by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      In heat above that of body temperature, it's simple to stay cool by layering light layers of natural cloth loosely around the body. This creates pockets of cooler air and causes a quasi insulation effect and evaporation cooling of your own sweat when it's wicked away by the clothing. It sort of goes counter to what we want to do which is shed the clothing, but you can make a scorching 110 degree day seem like a nice cool 85 or so day in your little micro climate.

      85 degrees F might still seem extremely hot for some, but remember that the humidity is really low and the sun is not beating down on your skin directly. Civilizations have been using this to survive in the dessert for longer then recorded history most likely.

    18. Re:Summary of snobbery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100%. They got rid of Mubarak and are not going to accomplish anything by being a public nuisance at this time. Nothing much will be happening during the summer, and probably not much until after the elections in the fall. So, especially since it is mostly just media and agitators now anyway, why not find a windy beach and "demonstrate" there?

      By the way, currently the temperature in Cairo is 26C, humidity is 58%, the wind is from the North at 8 km/h, and it is 2 minute's walk to the river. Not bad at all for noon in Cairo.
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    19. Re:Summary of snobbery by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I was there about 2 years ago and didn't really have any problems. Granted I stayed primarily in tourist areas. I thought Saudi Arabia was just plain weird when I was there doing some work. I didn't have any problems but then again I wasn't female. The women in our group all seemed to be a little nervous when we went out in public.

    20. Re:Summary of snobbery by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      Nervous, eh? They must've been hiding something! You should've stoned them. I bought a newspaper today because of the headline, "Women protected from laborious jobs". It says they aren't allowed to make coal from fossils. I think they have to skip coal and go straight into making diamonds.

    21. Re:Summary of snobbery by bstender · · Score: 1

      It's relatively easy getting rid of a government but you should at least try and have some sort of plan to replace the old before you start storming the barricades.

      wow, you're turning the snobbery dial to 11, too bad it wasn't parody...
      and, not sure what is more classic "dumb american", the part of how easy it is to overthrow a govt. or the notion that the first priority above all should _obviously_ be the cash flow.

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    22. Re:Summary of snobbery by cavreader · · Score: 1

      I am just perplexed with how in this day and age everyone seems to accept the treatment of women in Saudi Arabia and the other predominantly Muslim countries. Everyone seems to rationalize this acceptance with statements like "well it's their religion imperatives so we just need to accept it and not interfere or speak out against this type of behavior". It's like if people in the US still practice slavery as long as someone can argue it's part of their religious dogma or killing homosexuals using religious ideology as the excuse. The treatment of women in Muslim countries possess all of the characteristics of slavery and are a clear affront towards the human rights being trumpeted around the world. Behavior such as this helps spur the growing animosity directed towards Muslims, the moderates as well as extremists. The Muslims immigrate to other countries and bring this type of behavior with them into societies that have struggled for years to eliminate this type of treatment of people. Religion is ideally a personal commitment in faith not the mindless acceptance of man made rules and rituals that have little to do with the core beliefs of any religion. I am not a religious person and I don't have any problems with those who are but the behavior exhibited by some of these hardcore religious sects and the acceptance of these actions by the world at large really disturb me.

    23. Re:Summary of snobbery by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      I'm not holding my breath.

      Actually, holding your breath would probably be a good thing. Not only are most people full of hot air, but the amount of CO2 released with each breath contributes to some small fraction of the human-generated portion of our current greenhouse emergency!

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  20. Misters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    simple : use misters .Water comes in , goes through nozzles to make tiny droplets , then the fan pushes the air and moisture.
    These devices have been in use in large spaces in Florida for years.Keep a place cool ? Use a mister.
    Even available as rentals 8)

    FTB

  21. Just do your usual thing by dmesg0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Blame Israel for the heat as well. You'll feel much better immediately.

    1. Re:Just do your usual thing by Sulphur · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Blame Israel for the heat as well. You'll feel much better immediately.

      Israel planted enough trees that it changed the climate.

    2. Re:Just do your usual thing by chomsky68 · · Score: 1

      Israel planted enough trees that it changed the climate.

      By sucking the Dead Sea dry and causing an environmental catastrophe.

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    3. Re:Just do your usual thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know that they already had salt sucking genetic modified trees.

      They don't stop to amaze me.

    4. Re:Just do your usual thing by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      There are plants that do just that - for example mangrove.

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    5. Re:Just do your usual thing by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Slight correction. No-one is sucking the Dead Sea - the water is so salty that even desalination is impractical. The level is dropping due to diversion of the incoming Jordan River. The blame for the resulting drop is shared between Israel, Jordan and Syria - all three of them draw large quantities of water from the Jordan River, so there isn't much left by the time it reaches the Dead Sea.

      It's a nasty political mess. The 1967 Six Day War was fought because of that river. At the time, Israel drew most of their water from the river (They still do) - but Syria was upstream, and started constructing a project to divert the river for themselves. This would have completly destroyed Israel's agricultural industry and rendered parts of the country completly uninhabitable without an investment of tens of billions of dollars. When diplomacy failed to convince Syria to halt their plan, Israel launched a series of air-strikes on the constuction sites.

      You can blame whoever you want, but it all comes down to the need for fresh water in a part of the world where there just isn't enough of it to go around. When such a vital resource is in such scarcity, evey country will do anything they can to secure it for themselves regardless of the consequences for others. The alternative is drought and mass-starvation, and that is no alternative at all.

  22. Water. Lots and Lots. by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 2

    Spray a firehose upwards through something that will make a fine mist. Most will evaporate, sucking vast amounts of heat out of the air, which will flow downwards onto the crowd, along with the remaining chilled water. You want pressure rather than sheer volume.

    Burlap/canvas tents can be cooled with a constant trickle over them in the same way.

    Slightly less messy might be a series of hoses that carry chilled water from a tank out to modified hot-water-bottles strapped to people, and then away again, maybe even back to the tank to close the system. Rip a few fridges apart and put the cooling pipes in the tank. Run any waste water over the hotside pipes and then into the drains.

    It's like CPU cooling, just on a larger scale: :-)

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    1. Re:Water. Lots and Lots. by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

      For extra effect, put the burlap tents under the firehose spray, and try to get the mist to block the sun. (Small artificial clouds.)

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    2. Re:Water. Lots and Lots. by retroworks · · Score: 1

      That's what the Cairo police said. See picture of water cannon kindly cooling protesters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Hyqgkdw6s

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  23. Synthetic Cooling Towel Equivalent and Water by amanicdroid · · Score: 1

    I realize the initial request was for large scale cooling options but an affordable equivalent to synthetic cooling towels would help drastically. Draped over the neck, the towels take advantage of evaporative cooling.

    Sadly with the lack of foresight there's probably not enough time to organize sponsorship from one of the multiple companies competing for market dominance but I'm sure our resourceful /.ers can recommend an equivalent like say a damp cotton/polyester blend rag.

  24. My suggestion by benjamindees · · Score: 1

    After consulting Google maps and images, I see the environment is roughly:

    1) Flat terrain, near the Nile river
    2) Mostly concrete
    3) Standing-room only

    So I would say the solution would mostly comprise

    1) Shade,
    2) Drinking lots of water, and
    3) Air flow

    Setting up awnings shouldn't be too difficult. It should be possible to filter, bottle and chill water on site. Procuring some large fans and some type of power supply should be possible as well.

    --
    "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  25. Just asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the square a circle?

    1. Re:Just asking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same reason a boxing ring is rectangular I'd expect.

  26. Wet down the pavement by mattr · · Score: 1

    In addition to the above posts about reflecting away heat from above, may I suggest you wet down the pavement in advance.
    This will reduce the heat coming from the hot pavement below which may otherwise reach dangerous temperatures.
     

    1. Re:Wet down the pavement by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

      Heh.. I come from an equally hot place, where it is hard to stand out for more than 5 or 10 minutes, let alone the whole day. The problem with wetting down the pavement is that the water evaporates literally in 10 minutes (since it is water spread over a large area). I don't know if they can spare enough man power to keep repeating this process.

      Like other posters said, the only feasible option is constructing a shade preferably with a very good reflective material. Drink water and yoghurt to keep yourself refreshed.

    2. Re:Wet down the pavement by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

      Except in the short-term it acts like a sauna, transmitting the trapped heat in the pavement into hot saturated air.

      --
      Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
    3. Re:Wet down the pavement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the idea. All that water evaporating sucks a lot of heat out of the pavement.

  27. For outdoor cooling... by crow_t_robot · · Score: 1

    Burn hydrocarbons. Lots of them.

    Love,
    The real "ClimateHacker."

  28. Universal studio by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    A couple years ago I was at universal studios in August (a hot time to be in Florida) what they had was a kiosk of misting stations just some pipes pumping a fine mist of water to a group of 10 people at a time. For about a minute in those you feel better for about 15 minutes. But you could store a large tub of water and a gas pump and place these at key locations. After you are done you take it apart and pack it away.

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  29. Uhmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you seriously trying to suggest DIY temperature cooling techniques to people who have been living in the desert for mileniums?
    This is hilarious... Or else, really really condescendent, almost racist.

    1. Re:Uhmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is condescendent, but not racist. It would be more racist to assume "all those desert people" don't need any advice about cooling techniques because surviving in the heat should practically be in their blood.

    2. Re:Uhmm... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Sounds really strange to me too.

      Maybe the young city people are out of touch with their roots ? ;-)

      --
      New things are always on the horizon
    3. Re:Uhmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK. English lesson:
      millennia, not mileniums
      condescending, not condescendent.

      Not racist, the Egyptians aren't a separate race, although most of them adhere to a stupid religion (Muslim) and expect everyone else to be impressed that they are thus proved fools, fools with no more intellectual or critical thinking ability than the racist, genocidal Orthodox Jews, or batshit rapture-crazed suicidal Christians, which is a valid reason to discount any of their opinions on anything - especially judging whether they are smart enough to come in out of the sun. They aren't. But god bless 'em, maybe they'll get a government that isn't a puppet of the US and Israel. Nah...

  30. International Aid by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Ask the RAF to fly them over some British weather. We'd be happy to spare it, really!

    --
    I am TheRaven on Soylent News
    1. Re:International Aid by benjamindees · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately it's a package deal and also comes with British teeth.

      --
      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    2. Re:International Aid by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Thank god. I was worried it came with British women....

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  31. Vegitation by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

    A couple of years ago in Penang I took a tour of the botanical gardens. A short section of the tour took us through a stretch of native forest. The microclimate in the forest was much more comfortable than other areas. So break up the concrete and replace it with trees. I know this may not sound very feasible in the short term but it is the only way to beat the climate in the long term.

    1. Re:Vegitation by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 1

      But what about the worms...

      --
      Mother is the best bet and don't let Satan draw you too fast.
    2. Re:Vegitation by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Walk without rhythm.

  32. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a squared circle.

  33. You're kidding by EEDAm · · Score: 1

    You have got to be kidding me. You seriously thing anyone on Slashdot has anything to teach the people of Egypt anything about how to stay cool in the heat, in a civilisation that has been running countless generations of agrarian workers out in the fields on the Nile delta for ten / twelve hour days for oooohh, over ('scuse me) FIVE THOUSAND (ahem) years and the millions of city dwellers who also make their livelihoods substantially outdoors? Either this is an epic troll or epically short of self-awareness.

    1. Re:You're kidding by kvvbassboy · · Score: 1

      Not really. You would be surprised at how insufficient many of the ideas are. Add this to the fact that the majority of the people these days are used to the indoor environment, and are no longer agrarian workers slogging out in the sun. New thoughts and ideas are always welcome.

    2. Re:You're kidding by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm Australian. We have heat and deserts too, you know. Not everyone here is from Minnesota or Canada.

      Yes, it's a long shot. Most of the solutions will be obvious repetitions, which alone can be reaffirming, but we live in hope that one person out there has solved this so thoroughly and elegantly that we will be amazed by their ingenious solution.

      People have made excimer lasers from tinfoil and air. I know one guy who invented a nanopore water filter that removes 99.99% of contaminants and is made from mud, coffee grounds, and a cow turd.

      --
      Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
    3. Re:You're kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Working 10-12 hour days in the fields under the hot sun is not a good way to stay cool.

      24 hours a day in your mom's basement with a mini fridge full of 2-liters is a great way to stay cool.

      Slashdot AC just took your sweaty ass to school!

    4. Re:You're kidding by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

      Besides, who cares if it's a troll. It's still an interesting intellectual challenge.

      Not up to it? That's OK. Others will have a go.

      --
      Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
    5. Re:You're kidding by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      "Well, I'm Australian. We have heat and deserts too, you know."

      Yeah, but you guys' answer to everything is more beer - wait, actually you might be on to something there...

      --
      "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
  34. [OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed trees by lkcl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    slighly off-topic: two major cities - tel aviv and bangalore - cut down large numbers of trees in order to make room for more people. the immediate result was a rise of 10 Centigrade in bangalore (from 45C to 55C). in tel aviv's case, not only did the temperatures rise but also migrating birds no longer have a stop-over point half way along their route between the two hemispheres.

    not that planting some saplings in a public place is going to help in the immediate short-term, i appreciate...

  35. Direct ingestion of ice by Kludge · · Score: 1

    The most energy efficient way to cool people is to pour ice directly into them. Give each person an styrofoam cup of crushed ice to eat. The low temperature of the ice plus the heat of fusion will pull a lot of heat.

    1. Re:Direct ingestion of ice by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      The most energy efficient way to cool people is to pour ice directly into them.

      Only if you ignore the energy required to produce the ice.

      --
      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    2. Re:Direct ingestion of ice by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up please.

      --
      Boredom is bliss.
    3. Re:Direct ingestion of ice by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

      I think, within the thermodynamic boundary of Tahrir square, we can.

      --
      Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
    4. Re:Direct ingestion of ice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would work until the body regenerates that heat by burning calories, which it would do very quickly to maintain the correct internal body temperature. Ice would only help people that have gone beyond the heat control that the body can handle. The ideal method is to cool the environment around the people to prevent them from getting to the point where they would need ice to help cool their bodies.

  36. I don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does this story have to do with bitcoin? :)

    1. Re:I don't understand by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      What does this story have to do with bitcoin? :)

      Probably the place is so hot because some serious bitcoin mining is going on there. You know, lots of CPUs producing heat ... :-)

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  37. Refreshing! by Giovanny · · Score: 1

    I would strongly suggest the use of water-cannons. Not only would water-cannons control protestors but they would also keep them refreshed and cool during their protests!

    --
    Life is sleep. Death is a dream. Wake up.
  38. tap the cool Earth & water underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As above, shade, water mist, & vegetation are options, however in the desert water is in short supply (that's why it's call desert, duh :)) Capture the wind as some house architecture in the region does. Dig down several feet, there is ample cool water there, and, the temperature is MUCH cooler. Use windmill for power.

  39. Space blanket awning and beach umbrellas by AC-x · · Score: 1

    I'd suggest anything that can create shade, either making some space blanket awning (something like this perhaps) or try to get hold of cheap beach umbrellas.

    The umbrellas can also be painted with slogans etc.

    1. Re:Space blanket awning and beach umbrellas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something with cardboard boxes. I am thinking of using them myself to stop the flat ceiling from heating, and then radiating heat on, and on, and on ....
      Or aluminium foil. Hats perhaps? Sorry, couldn't resist.

  40. Radiant barrier is what you seek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you are looking for is called Radiant Barrier. If you feel like paying double or triple what the product is worth, visit your local big box hardware store. Otherwise hop on Ebay and buy a roll or two (usually 250' x 4') and use however is needed. Radiant barrier is strong - does not tear easily. Fully blocks all radiant heat.

  41. 2 Layer Shade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 layer shade.

    Basically 2 suspended layers with an air gap in the middle.
    Top layer blocks sun, but absorbs some heat, which is radiated in all directions, including downwards.
    second layer easily blocks this radiated heat and air currents remove the heat from the layer of air inbetween.

    I read about it when going to camp in Hungary (35C) and wanted to be able to sleep in my tent after sunrise.
    Anyway, it works very well and apparently is used to great effect at the burning man festival (which is in the desert)

    I used Ropes, Tarp, Poles and Pegs.

    J.

  42. water cannon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    water cannon

  43. WEll let's see.. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    The following is what I have done at Burning Man festivals in the past.

    1 - space blanket.... Yes a space blanket. they reflect 98% of Infrared and visible light. it makes a HUGE difference in the desert heat.
    2 - water soaked white neck wrap. The evaporation effect of that wet cloth around my neck makes a GIANT difference in low humidity.
    3 - water soaked white turban. Again.. Evaporation is your friend.
    4 - white umbrella..... seeing a trend here? if you are in bright sun the best thing you can do is reflect as much of it's energy away from you as possible.
    5 - wet clothing.. Again white, again wet.... isn't physics neat!

    The biggest problem is pesky deserts dont have a constant supply of water. Someone needs to complain to the planet engineers about this oversight.
    What I have discovered is that most people that live in those regions already know how to keep cool. It's the idiot Americans that cant understand why people don't die instantly when they dont have AC in their cars or homes that cant figure out how to stay cool outside.

    Actually that was unfair. It's pretty much any Idiot that is lacking in education and lives in a 1st world society no mater what the country.

    And yes, I am an American... Most of us really are pretty stupid when it comes to common sense and life skills.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:WEll let's see.. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cairo isn't really a low-humidity area. It's more comparable to the southeastern US in terms of temperature and humidity (which makes sense; they're at essentially the same latitude). Fans and stuff are nice, but the only way to deal with the heat in these areas is to stay hydrated and toughen up.

  44. An easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move demonstrations here. It is a cooler place, and given how things are going on in Egypt after Mubarak fall, I don't think the world will ever notice a difference.

  45. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Jeremy+Lee · · Score: 1

    Hmmm. They can't plant them directly... but they could bring in planter pots. Buckets of soil. Six guys to a tree.

    We'd want to fill the square with as many as possible, using the least footprint. So, we need a locally available plant with a relatively small root ball, long stem, and large crown, with a high transpiration rate. This will cool the air and provide shade.

    Botanists. We need botanists. They'll know.

    Plus, the sudden greening of Tahrir square might be news-worthy by itself.

    --
    Jeremy Lee | Orinoco
  46. Evaporative cooling towers by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    What they do in Phoenix, Arizona to cool out door areas is have tall hollow cooling towers with openings at top and bottom (at ground level), and something akin to blankets hanging at the top kept wet.

    Hot air comes in at the top of the tower, cools via evaporation of the water, and therefore becomes heavier/denser and falls down the inside of the tower then comes out of the openings at the bottom under it's own momentum.

    I guess in a country where labor is super cheap you could have humans keeping the "blankets" wet rather than using a water feed, if that was a construction issue.

  47. I'VE GOT IT!!! by _0rm_ · · Score: 1

    First you get twenty thousand eggs. Next, you make a big fucking omlette and then... oh wait...

    --
    Boredom is bliss.
  48. Bags of ice by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    Have the mosques and churches ask worshipers to bring bags of ice in when they come. Have protesters carry those to the square. Build cooling shelters from the ice and collect the melt water to filter and drink. Anyone who gets into medical trouble can get relief at the at one of the shelters. People who are not in trouble can get some relief from a cold drink.

    1. Re:Bags of ice by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      My first car was imported to Florida from Ohio, without air-conditioning (and was understandably inexpensive, especially when I purchased it in June). Over the next three months, I developed the habit of stopping every hour to purchase an ice-drink (Slurpee from 7-11), or just travelling at night. Sheepskin seat covers to wick the sweat were also very helpful.

      Direct ingestion of ice works, and in my experience, one liter of crushed ice lasted about 45 minutes for comfort, 90 minutes before there were possible health concerns from being exposed to 40C+ heat. Of course, in the car I had access to a guaranteed strong wind and some shade, might be more taxing on the body in the open square.

    2. Re:Bags of ice by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      Speaking of cars, one of the complaints about electric cars is that they don't have the energy for heating or cooling. At this point, with a less than a 100 mile range, a few hot water bottles or ice bags should handle all the needs that would come up. Those can be prepared as the car charges. Once the range goes up, the energy issue becomes smaller and eventually goes away. I suspect we'll see this kind of solution popping up just like your 45 minutes of comfort.

  49. Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about water cannon? Doesn't the army have some of those?

  50. blood of protesters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At a constant 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit, a fine mist of the blood of the protesters would serve to keep people relatively cool without even counting evaporation.

  51. Want fast and cheap shelter? by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Geodesic domes - with a possible side effect... Can't hurt to give it a try

    --
    For justice, we must go to Don Corleone
  52. Human sun-heat management basics by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    White, wet turbans. White wet clothing. You can use non-drinking water to soak the clothing. Even very warm water will help as it cools via evaporation.

    Drink isotonic drinks at body temperature. If drinks are cold, the body produces more heat to cool the liquid down.

    Don't forget minerals and vitamins. Minerals like regular table salt are important to keep the body going and the mood up, especially when people have been sweating a lot. Alcohol free beer, barley water and simular drinks are both isotonic and have the basic set of minerals. No soft-drinks or sugar. No alcohol. Rather drink less non-alcohol.

    Full, lose clothing. Non-dark.

    Important: If body-temperature is maxed out and people are at the edge of a sun-heat-stroke it is *always* better to be fully clothed. There is a reason why Bedus wear a Shesh. Also lose, long arms and lose long pant legs. It may feel warm for the layman, but body temperature eavens out at a high level with a full heat-shell rather than overheating in bare sunlight.
    Consider Baggy pants or Hakamas for both ladies and men.

    Hand-fans. You can build those easyly with wire and cloth if they are lacking. Build them large, take turns faning slowly.

    Rescue blankets. Dirt cheap and super efficient at repelling heat. Use them to build sun-tarps and tents.

    Hats are better than sun-glasses.

    Sun & Heat Optimsed Head Garb in order of efficiency:
    1 Shesh / Turban
    2 Sombrero / Chinese Rice-Straw 'Dish' Hat / Cowboy Hat
    3 Light-colored Longsleve wrapped as Shesh (instructions on the web)
    4 Leginoaires Cap with neck-cover / Safari Helmet

    Butter can help the skin if sun-lotion is lacking and the skin isn't burnt yet. Don't butter damaged skin! Use curd to cool and replenish burnt skin. (consult a doctor, medical disclaimer, blah blah ... y'know)

    When cooling with cool-packs or ice apply the cool-packs at the lymph-nodes and don't let the sun at them. The human body has its own conditioning system and will spread the coolness to where it's needed the most from the lymph-nodes on out.

    And last but not least: Good luck with your struggle. The thoughts of all of us are with you. And treat the egytian ladies fair! I'm looking forward to a time when the middle-east beauties can walk around free and are equal to men.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Human sun-heat management basics by h1q · · Score: 1

      "Sun & Heat Optimsed Head Garb in order of efficiency:
      1 Shesh / Turban
      2 Sombrero / Chinese Rice-Straw 'Dish' Hat / Cowboy Hat
      3 Light-colored Longsleve wrapped as Shesh (instructions on the web)
      4 Leginoaires Cap with neck-cover / Safari Helmet"

      [ citation needed ]

  53. Needs low humidity by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    Currently the humidity in Cairo is 89%. I doubt that the solutions used in one, very dry location in another country would work there.

    --
    politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
  54. Evaporative Cooling, plus some hysteresis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people here have the right idea. Make shade, give people water, and try swamp cooling (evaporative cooling) to take maximal advantage of the difference between wet bulb and dry bulb temperatures. I don't know the geography of Cairo so I'm unaware of the general humidity levels, but if Tahrir square is close to the river evaporative cooling might be difficult to use.

    A secondary problem with evaporative cooling may be that your district water is already hot. This will diminish the effectiveness of your cooling tower. One commenter suggested allow the heat of the square to radiate out during the night; I'd suggest something analagous for a reservoir of water used in your cooling tower. Fill up and keep a reservoir of water in the square at night, allowing it to cool to ambient temperatures. Use this reserve for as long as possible during the day to get maximal cooling effectiveness with minimal humidity increase.

    If you're dead-set on using a reservoir, it may also be a good idea to dig a hole for water storage in the ground, maybe 2m deep. At that depth, the temperature is close to maybe 15 degree C year-round in many parts of the world; regardless, it is still probably much colder than ambient air temperature.

  55. Ask Phoenix by xclr8r · · Score: 1

    It's been a decade or so since I've been down there but I remember the Downtown area next to the compass restaurant hotel having a misting system. Probably a horrible use of water but if it keeps people alive..

    Also these guys might know what's up.

    http://www.haciendarentals.com/cooling/

    --
    Beware of those who profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.
  56. Tin-foil umbrella & wet clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tin-foil umbrella & wet clothes, with a little hope of wind, I'd say.

  57. Cellular Solar Power AC by randomErr · · Score: 1

    Here's my idea:

    - Create two row of light colored cement blocks about a foot apart
    - Place a steel or aluminium pole with a base into your bricked area and fill with sand or soil
    - Plant a native grasses or shrub into the media you filled the bricked area with.
    - On the top of the put a solar panel facing towards the sky and underneath the panel put a bank of cooling chips.

    The solar panels will create shade,a wind block and reflect some of the light away. The grass or shrubbery will do the same will absorbing the heat. The brighter the day the more the panels will generate cool air. The cooling chip I was talking about would be something similar to those found in USB beverage coolers (see link below).

    http://www.amazon.com/ZBANG-ZB006-USB-COOLER-WARMER/dp/B000WWUP3I

    --
    You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
  58. Please don't mistake... by nategasser · · Score: 1

    ...the good intentions of someone who happens to live in North America or Western Europe and wants to help someone he sees struggling in another part of the world for colonialistic snobbery.

    Telling people to mind their own business while someone else suffers, historically has not accomplished very much.

    1. Re:Please don't mistake... by Duradin · · Score: 1

      This is sort of like someone from Florida giving advice for dealing with a blizzard to someone who lives in northern Canada.

    2. Re:Please don't mistake... by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      > ...the good intentions

      I vaguely remember a certain road being paved with them? My comment was trying to point out that this person's "good intentions" could very well be interpreted totally differently by others.

      > Telling people to mind their own business while someone else suffers, historically has not accomplished very much.

      The intention of my comment was far from that. It was more like:

      "Your question is stupid, you should travel there yourself, or at least invest a lot of effort to collect the necessary information from people over there, so you can actually have some real chance of helping them (probably by asking them what you could do to help them, rather than assuming that they themselves are less likely to know what could help them than you or some other random Slashdotter)."

      That seems far from telling the OP to "mind his own business".

  59. Taiwan is hot... by MasaMuneCyrus · · Score: 2

    I'm in Taiwan right now. People here sometimes spread water all over the ground (though they do it in Japan a lot more). With enough people doing it, you can really cool the air in a local area just by watering the hot asphalt and letting it evaporate. Otherwise, people just stay in the shade. There are some misting tents, too. And, of course, big straw hats (though I don't think people in the middle east need help on dressing appropriately for hot weather, they seem to have had that covered for thousands of years).

    1. Re:Taiwan is hot... by MasaMuneCyrus · · Score: 1

      Another thing that construction workers do in japan is get a small white towel and put it on their head longways going down and covering their neck, and then they put their hard hat on top of that. It's not uncommon for them to soak the towel in cold water before they do it, either. that would be effective, combined with a turban or straw hat or whatever else kind of hat you might find in Egypt.

  60. evaporative cooling has limits.. 40C-ish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's dry, and the temp is in the mid 30s, evaporative (swamp) cooling works pretty well. As the temperature starts to rise much above 40, it's not so effective. The temperature drop is only about 10C-15C, at the cost of greatly increasing the humidity, which actually makes things worse for the people, because humid air reduces the thermal cooling from sweating.

    In the worst cases (at the shore in the gulf states/countries) the humidity can be high enough that the dewpoint/wet-bulb temperature is close to or above body temperature, in which case water in the atmosphere actually condenses on people, raising their temperature. (or worse, condensing in the lungs, forming a peculiar kind of pneumonia)

    All that Middle East architecture to keep things cool by evaporation actually is more about "storing cold"... cool large massive things down at night, and then circulate air over them during the day. Large thick walls have a long thermal time constant, so, by the time the heat pulse from the daytime heat reaches the inside, it's actually night time, and the outside air is cool. So you rely on clever management of the ventilation patterns.

    As others have pointed out.. shade and hydration is where it's at. hydration lets your body do the cooling (and 40-45C air temperatures, if not too humid, are easy for most people to tolerate)

  61. One Problem May Be by Old+Sparky · · Score: 1

    That Tahrir Square is not square; it are round.

  62. Cooling in hot, dry climates... by h1q · · Score: 1

    Is best and most cheaply done in almost all circumstances with shade and a fine mist of water.

    And I saw exactly that in higher-end cafes in Morocco, Spain, and France during the summer.

  63. Several ways... (Please read!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Several ways:

    Shade: As in wear a wide-brim hat. (Think sombrero.)

    Evaporation: Get wet. Let the water evaporate. Evaporation is endothermic. You want the evaporation (cooling) to be as close to the skin as possible. Ideal spots are hands, feet, and neck. But arms, legs, chest, and back will work too.

    Melting works well (also endothermic), but it doesn't last as long unless you insulate the material (such as ice). And it's harder to deal with. Keeping a hand in a styrofoam ice-bucket will let you function quite well in extreme heat. (Though watch out for your hand getting too cold, which causes discomfort. You might need to share a single ice-bucket amongst several people, each taking turns as they overheat.)

    A wet towel is quite helpful with respect to evaporation.

    A somewhat better solution lies in the crystals found in baby diapers. They are designed to absorb large quantities of water. Wrap them tightly in cloth, soak in water, and wear around your neck. It works! It's sold commercially in America. I've used it! (Though you will get a little sticky by the day's end.)

    Breeze: Which leads back to Evaporation. A solar-cell and a fan do wonders. Or even just a battery and a fan.

    In the US, you often see squirt bottles with a battery-operated fan attached.

    Oh, and WEAR WHITE! Ideally white that is reflective above 800nm. The difference between wearing white and black is substantial!

  64. Not really DYI, but by vasquez1 · · Score: 1

    These umbrellas (http://www.tenarafabric.com/medina.html) seem to be working quite well in Medina.

  65. Do like they do at Rakis by Duradin · · Score: 1

    Stillsuits. The good desert models, not the shoddy ones sold in cities by museum Fremen.

    1. Re:Do like they do at Rakis by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Stillsuits. The good desert models, not the shoddy ones sold in cities by museum Fremen.

      I always wondered how they didn't die of heatstroke in suits designed to not let sweat evaporate. Try to wear a rubber suit in the desert...

      --
      Non-Linux Penguins ?
  66. Stop wearing all those clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Stop wearing all those clothes.
    2) evaporative cooling for both people and in huge towers

    If the people started wearing extremely light weight clothing - almost see through, that would help with evaporation from the skin. This is especially important for women.

    I don't know that you can deploy enough cooling units for 20K people, but here in the states at large outdoor gatherings a firehose is often used to spray the crowd. 15 minutes later, it becomes muggy in that area and 15 minutes later all the water is gone - evaporated.

    1. Re:Stop wearing all those clothes by cheros · · Score: 1

      If the people started wearing extremely light weight clothing - almost see through, that would help with evaporation from the skin. This is especially important for women.

      I think you ought to get your pr0n from the Net like everyone else. Nice try, though 8-)

      On a more serious note, the clothing thing confuses me somewhat. The people that spend all their time in the sweltering desert seem to wear quite a few layers, no idea how they manage that. The thought alone makes me sweat..

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    2. Re:Stop wearing all those clothes by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Air is a good insulator, layered clothing traps lots of air that is protected from solar heat and loose layered clothing allows for air movement over the skin to for evaporative cooling.

  67. Cooling them fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally i think we should ask the great Billy Mays, or fire millions of bullets straight into the air; that will create tons of shade...

  68. Go green... Trees!! by higuita · · Score: 1

    all cool gardens in hot countries have a lot of trees to make shadow and even better, some running water on that shadow. No one yet out perfect this nature design on a open space.

    one bit part of the problem is that the cities are more and more concrete, stone and roads, there is no green space, no shadow, no running water

    of course, this is a very slow solution for the future children :)

    for a short term solution, you need shadow, whatever material is good, but put at least 2 layers of it and some space between then (the "hotter the material gets, the bigger the space), so the first layer will get hot, but the air flow between the layers will keep the second layer cooler.
    dont forget the indirect sunlight, if you get much indirect light, you are also getting indirect heat

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  69. Not necessarily snobbery. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that's why the original question strikes me as stinking of colonialistic snobbery.

    Just because someone asks for help and thinks there might be a novel answer an expert might think of, even if it's a question it would have been nice to have an answer to any time in the last ten thousand years, doesn't mean we should call him a snob for asking. Ignorance or shortsightedness is not necessarily snobbery. The pursuit of knowledge should not be punished. Nor should he be called a colonialist, for that matter--he didn't advocate taking over the place.

    Me, I'd go with shade, big fans, and ice-cold beverages. But I don't know if there's too much sand for the fans.

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    1. Re:Not necessarily snobbery. by malakai · · Score: 1

      And to that, one of the things I recall from the most recent Iraq war, was a comment by an Iraqi in the street (early in the war, when people had flowers in their hands) , who was amazed at the concept of the "Camel Pack" backpacks the GI's had. Apparently they became a big import/seller after they saw the American's use them. Unfortunately for CamelPack, Inc, they imported a bunch of Chinese knock offs....

    2. Re:Not necessarily snobbery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yo guys think we live in a desert??? did you see tahrir sq its just a regular sq in a regular street there's no sand

  70. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Erioll · · Score: 1

    slighly off-topic: two major cities - tel aviv and bangalore - cut down large numbers of trees in order to make room for more people. the immediate result was a rise of 10 Centigrade in bangalore (from 45C to 55C).

    Speaking of 45C... you'll never EVER see a temperature in Egypt officially reported as 45.0 degrees C or higher. The reason is that there's a law on the books that says that if it's that high, it's "too hot to work" and thus people need to, by law, given the day off while it's that hot if working w/o A/C. So the "solution" for the government is to never report higher than 44.9C.

    Really. My wife and I were in Egypt last year (an awesome tour), and a thermometer somebody had showed 58C (this was near Farafra in the western desert), but the digital road sign said the temperature was 44.9. We asked about it, and the locals told us what I just said above.

    So up to 45 in Cairo? Sure, but probably even higher.

  71. Genetic Adaptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the sand niggers / dune coons were adapted to dealing with temperatures like this.

  72. Ask yourself; what would Burning Man do? by kb1 · · Score: 2

    As with all technological problems someone at Burning Man has already prototyped an elegant solution.

  73. Towel by PPH · · Score: 1

    Towel on face. Then pour water on it.

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  74. lighter clothing by Max_W · · Score: 1
    Why not to make a revolution in clothing, if you are at it? Lighter clothing, shorts, light hats with big brims for men and for women.

    By the way, one of the reasons of energy crisis and global warming is the mass usage of medieval clothing, not only in Middle East, but in Western cities too.

    Washing, drying, dry-cleaning, ironing all those zillions of suits and long sleeve shirts for office takes enormous amount of energy. Let alone air-conditioning offices for these suits.

    Why not to introduce business shorts and short sleeve shirts for summer weather?

  75. Actually some in US live in hotter climates by perpenso · · Score: 1

    This is sort of like someone from Florida giving advice for dealing with a blizzard to someone who lives in northern Canada.

    BS. The article mentioned temperatures up to 111 F. Millions who have grown up in inland southern california see that quite often in the summer time. And when they visit Phoenix in the summer these people think: damn its hot. So actually there are plenty of Americans who have comparable or even more extreme experience.

    FWIW, devices deploying a fine mist in Phoenix seemed to work quite well in the summer.

    1. Re:Actually some in US live in hotter climates by Duradin · · Score: 1

      It's a dry heat in Phoenix. Cairo might be a humid heat.

      I'd bet you'd not give a thought to some busybody from Alaska and their plan to save those poor naive Arizonans from the heat.

    2. Re:Actually some in US live in hotter climates by perpenso · · Score: 1

      It's a dry heat in Phoenix. Cairo might be a humid heat.

      Wiki also shows Cairo to be quite a bit cooler than the article suggests. Average summer high of around 95F, "rarely surpass 40 C (104 F)". So even with humidity the environment does not seem beyond what many Americans have experienced.

      I'd bet you'd not give a thought to some busybody from Alaska and their plan to save those poor naive Arizonans from the heat.

      True, I haven't given any thought to such a ridiculous straw man. Have you given any thought to a serious conversion between residents of Arizona and residents of Egypt on their respecting methods cooling? Or if you want more humidity lets swap Arizona with Mexico, a place with regions that are both hotter and more humid, and with which a few Americans have some experience and could share their observations on the local customs and techniques. Info want to be free, so sharing it is good right? :-)

  76. Misters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You see these things at county fairs and I've even seen them at a coffee shop. First, unlike a tent it wouldn't block your view. That's important because it's a protest arena so you want to see and be seen. Secondly, it's fairly lo-tech and probably not very expensive. All you need is water, something to pump it through the little plastic tubes, and something to prop up the tubes on.

    One drawback is that this requires some "infrastructure". You need to replenish the water and you need to power it. Perhaps handing out spray bottles, super-soakers, and hats is a better idea. The party with their logo on the cooling freebies wins the election. :)

  77. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cut down large numbers of trees in order to make room for more people

    The cut down the trees to make room for cars. Most of the space in almost all cities is devoted to the worship of the car. Roads, parking lots, garages. It is actually quite ridicules when you think about it.

  78. Pretty simple ... by InsGadget · · Score: 1

    Tarps, fans, salty foods, water. You sweat, the wind cools you. Unless you build insulated buildings with HVAC systems, that is the best you can do.

  79. Polymer cool neck bands by jbeaupre · · Score: 2

    The goal is to keep people cool, not a place. Here's one cool option (pun intended).

    People have been making "cool ties" for several years now. Basically a cloth tube with a little bit of water absorbing polymer inside (available at gardening centers in the US). They hold a lot of water and create a little evaporative cooler for your neck. Like soaking a towel, but more water with less dripping.

    People make them and send them to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. there are versions for necks, helmets, even vests.

    Here are some detailed instructions: http://www.watersorb.com/polymer_cool_neck_bands.htm

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  80. Personal evaporative cooling system by randall77 · · Score: 1

    Design a system where you pour water into a personal container, and have a system of pipes from that container which distributes the water over the entire surface of the skin and evaporatively cools the person.

    Oh, wait, evolution already did.

  81. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before Tel Aviv was founded there were mainly sand dunes there, so the trees that were cut down were actually planted by the city. In Tel Aviv there are still many trees in the streets and also a large park along the Yarkon stream, so there was no real change in the place available for migrating birds to stop. The birds tend to skip the cities (they prefer food from fish ponds and grain from the fields over the nightlife Tel Aviv can offer) and land to rest in other parts of Isreal, mainly the Hula lake and the fish farming areas between Tel Aviv and Haifa. The trees in Tel Aviv metro. have no real effect.

  82. Easy by david.a.judge · · Score: 1

    Piss on a towel, wrap it round your head. Basic desert survival technique.

    Of course, it may get pretty smelly around there after a few days.

  83. The Square is on fire... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Square, The Square, The Square is on fire!
    We don't need no water, let the M_F_er Burn!

  84. Cool the square pavement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool the square by transporting the heat to elsewhere where it can be used to generate power which can be used to move the heat transport agent (heatpipe principle maybe?)

  85. Protest at night silly by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 1

    Pass out little bic lighters and have everyone come out at night. Feel the love.

  86. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could bring in moss, grass or sod with seeds or other plants and made green isles or islands... sounds expensive/laborious but would be quite memorable especially seeing as you will not be going anywhere for a while, and have a surplus of labor. a mid term plan of repurposing the city from moving cars and people to standing people, in this case gorilla landscaping, it might be worth it to make the place more useful to the people using. It might be a psychological boot to the people to have have a plan to organize around other than anger and waiting.

    tl;dr
    bringing in plants and soil would improve cooling, make a statement and change the streets to be useful for people since cars will not be there in mass any time soon, though would need to tend to the plants and water to spare for them

  87. Host a US invasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently released report shows that USA spends $20,000,000,000 a year in Afghanistan for air conditioning alone.

    Perhaps you could get in on some of that?

  88. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

    Yes it was all a wasteland, a howling wilderness before it was settled by the noble, selfless Jews who made the desert bloom.... without stealing anybody else's water, or land - at least no one who mattered - or anyway, certainly no one who could fight back. Selfless Jews, unaccountably harassed in later years by the cowardly terrorism of little brown untermenchen, walking around to deliver bombs instead of properly dropping them from planes on children like real Yehudi herrenvolk do.

    And its spelled "Israel", not "Isreal", O Hebrew sage.

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  89. Simple Tech, block the heat, use natural drafts by joenospamblo · · Score: 1

    For the open square, a regular grid of telephone poles with staggered height sheets of white canvas or translucent plastic. This allows unobstructed air circulation while blocking 50% to 80% of the sun's heat.

    For passive ventilation, 4 tall telephone poles arraigned in a square with transparent plastic sheets forming a square chimney. Inside the chimney have sheets of black plastic forming an X between the poles. The sun's heat on the black plastic will cause an updraft that will draw cooler air into the square through the gaps between the staggered height tents. There should be a number of chimneys arraigned around the square to provide enough draft to handle the heat generated by the people in the square [10,000 people = 1-5 megawatts].

    Water hoses can be strung between the tent poles with mist sprinklers spraying the people in the square.

    The temperature may be 111F outside but it will be less than 90F under the shade of the tents.

  90. Mist by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

    What I would do is any of the following: Make shade, Make breeze, or add mist. Tarps and poles help the first. Large fans with the second, and using water sprayed over a large area would help cool the air, cool the people, and cool the surfaces. If you combine fans, shade, and mist, you can cool off even 120+ temperatures to a reasonable level over a large area at minimal cost.

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  91. Give everyone a white mylar helium balloon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If everyone carried a white balloon overhead, and they were packed closely enough, it would reflect the sunlight back into the sky.

  92. Re:[OT a tiny bit] -Tel aviv, Bangalore removed tr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>> the immediate result was a rise of 10 Centigrade in bangalore (from 45C to 55C)

    Really? I've been living in Bangalore for the last 10 years and have never experienced or heard of 45C temperatures. In fact it would be news if the temperature got anywhere close to 40C.

    Not to say that trees aren't getting chopped to accommodate more traffic.

  93. 55C? in Bangalore?! by pkphilip · · Score: 1

    The highest temperature ever recorded anywhere in India was just south of 52C... and Bangalore is a place with very temperate climate.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records#Highest_temperature_ever_recorded

    Bangalore never gets above 40 C.. and very rarely does it get over 35 C. It is true that a large number of trees were cut down and the temperature did go up, but it wasn't anywhere close to the 10C that you claim.

  94. What you need is a stadiumsized evaporative cooler by vkg · · Score: 1

    http://www.port-a-cool.com/ is the commercial version, but it's basically some giant fans blowing through a constantly wet evaporation surface.

    On second thoughts, I just checked the climate data and it looks like Cairo tends towards humid heat at this time of year, so that's actually not going to help very much at all.

    Back to shade then.

  95. Vegetation by luv2sled · · Score: 1

    Vegetation in general will cool down an area. Less concrete and more trees will have an impact.