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Assange Back In Court For Sex Crimes Appeal
kaptink writes "Julian Assange is back in court today to appeal his extradition to Sweden. So far the court has heard more on the incompatibility between UK and Sweden sex crime laws and that the arrest warrant used was essentially flawed. — 'Ben Emmerson QC told Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Ousely that the European arrest warrant under which Assange is being held was flawed because it failed to provide a "fair, accurate and proper" description of the alleged sexual misconduct.'"
The girl that we had willing sex with, decides days LATER that she may or may not be so willing after all, and goes and asks for advice.
a conservative (swedish) politician (with ties to u.s. backed companies) intervenes, and a prosecutor in a DIFFERENT area takes up the case that the other prosecutor has DROPPED, and conjures up a new sex crime by stating 'continuing after a condom broke constitutes rape'.
with that fantastic, politically-driven propped-up legal interpretation, probably 30% or more of the world's male population are now classified as rapists. yes. if your condom popped out in the last moments before your ejaculation, you are a rapist.
how could you stop, you ask ? well, thats not the prosecutor's problem apparently. you may need to go to tibet and train 10 years in a mountain temple to be able to control your dick, in last stages of pre-ejaculation maybe. prosecutor doesnt care. he had to invent a sex crime, and he did.
well done sweden. good for you. you were one of the few countries in which corporate backed conservative politicians didnt start to screw the basic human rights over. now, you are one.
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For some reason the UK seems to roll over when it comes to extradition warrants. Someone will probably try to blame the EU (as TFA seems to) but it does not affect other EU countries. For example there was a case last week where some German men were found guilty of various war crimes while they were stationed at concentration camps in Italy, but none of them will be extradited. Germany only extradites people with their consent.
Assange has a long hard battle ahead I think.
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Non sequiturs make me eat lampshades.
This thing is a classic Dreyfus affair. I mean, isn't it obvious that they just want him out of the way since he exposed some of their dirty little secrets, thus they created this whole sex crime charge to achieve that?
And in doing so they have brought far more public attention to wikileaks. Yay for them. If they really wanted to discredited wikileaks they should "leak" a bunch of bad info, wait a year they reveal the information to be false. Then just call all the content of the site into question.
Like him or hate him, you have to admit he's got that sex crimes appeal. Rowr!
Thats what usually happens when you give a superpower a black eye. Im all for truth and justice and liberty for all, but hte fact of the matter is, when you piss people off, they forget all that stuff. Im sure Assange is guilty of something, the rape thing is a bit of a strech, but again thats what you get for playing women too. None of this stuff about Assange surprises me because he comes of as a grandiose asshole of the 1st order.
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Isn't he Australian?
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Strauss Kahn had been openly criticizing the value of the U.S. dollar in the weeks leading up to his arrest and had just pulled ahead of the pro-U.S. Sarkozy in the French presidential race. Omar was raising funds for the Muslim Brotherhood, in their effort to secure a place in the new Egyptian government.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Speaking of lampshades, I think I'll have the tuna salad on whole wheat.
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What involvement has the US had in his accusation, charges, or deportation?
Oh, it's secret. Got it. The lack of evidence proves it.
Well none, obviously. What would the U.S. even have to gain from Assange's arrest? It's not like he was threatening them in any way. Besides, the CIA doesn't do bad stuff like frame people. Only other government's intelligence agencies do bad stuff like that.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
It's not deportation, it's extradition, there's a difference.
It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for being subtle.
Depends on how deep you go down the conspiracy path.
At the extreme end, when they got involved in exposing that the US has no gold - http://www.eutimes.net/2011/05/russia-says-imf-chief-jailed-for-discovering-all-us-gold-is-gone/
More reasonable (but still off in conspiracy land) when Strauss Kahn talked up Special Drawing Rights to replace US dollars for reserves and for oil trading - http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/10/markets/dollar/index.htm. Such a move would crater the US economy (yes even further). Saddam and Gadaffi also got on the "trade oil in something other than dollars" bandwagon before the US bombed their countries.
Hate to say this, but Assange isn't important enough for the US government to bother with, when all is said and done.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
the only thing that I suspect in all of this is that Assange is an asshole, and rips condoms on purpose. Beyond that I don't care about him, but his work with the Wikileaks is very important regardless and the materials they publish are excellent and need to be revealed.
You can't handle the truth.
But if his UK visa expired, would he be deported to Australia?
ext you'll be saying that the U.S. would be willing to frame someone for a sex crime just to put a pro-U.S. puppet in charge of the IMF and ensure the reelection of their pro-U.S. puppet in France.
Thats a brilliant theory! How is the Strauss Kahn case going anyways?
Whats that, charges likely to be dropped, Strauss Kahn likely to run for the presidency still?
Oh, ok. Guess thats part of the secret illuminati plan as well?
Another angle on the Dominique Strauss Kahn case: They may also have been targeting New York AG Eric Schneiderman, who just happened to be making moves to prosecute the banking giants under New York law. By having the case blow up in his face, they probably succeeded at discrediting Schneiderman as well.
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You have to remember that the U.S. government is completely incompetent except for secret conspiracies, they call pull those off without anyone blabbing anything about it.
Yes
No, he's still in the Corporatist party (blue branch).
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I have no doubt that the CIA has the capability to orchestrate something like this. My doubt is that they'd bother. Assange is basically irrelevant. He's part of the bread and circuses of government - leak some trivial secrets, sack some junior government employees, and make it look like you're working hard. He hasn't done anything that would make him worth the CIA spending time and money on.
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I'm not so sure.
Lest we forget, Wikileaks seriously embarrassed the US government not so long ago. I think the purpose of this is less to punish Assange and more pour encourager les autres (or more accurately, discourager) - from having anything to do with leaking information.
so, she didnt enjoy it, but she endured it, because HE ENJOYED it. and you are, along with the morons who modded your idiotic post up, are actually jus tifying the charges against the man on those grounds. not only that, you uttered out another idiotic bullshit saying 'if swedes have laws agains that, good for them'.
no. good for you. well done. as of this moment, you basically practically classified 50% or more of sexual relations in between 1 or more participants as rape.
totally leaving out the fact that, everyone at all times endures a lot of things they dont like in any voluntary participation in ANYthing (ranges from marriage to jobs) and things just cant be perfect to the point of you enjoying everything you participate every time, the woman who has participated in that 'joyless' sex act, has not only attended social functions with assange later, but also had MORE sex with him later. if she hadnt enjoy having sex with him, she would not.
the idiocy here stems mainly from the fact that, you are totally clueless about the fact that 'rape' suddenly came into being when assange had sex with ANOTHER women, and AFTER that act, the first woman, who not only had engaged in multiple acts of repeated sex with the guy, suddenly felt the need to go to police to talk about rape.
it is appalling that there were people who modded your clueless and foolish post to +5.
someone mod parent down please. maybe he wont talk shit before actually researching and knowing about the current events he is talking about, next time. not that i have much hope that he will tho.
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explain to me. why it is flamebait.
is there someone in their right mind justifying people complaining about sex, DAYS later it happened in a consentual fashion ? have sex today willingly, decide its rape tomorrow.
im anxiously awaiting justification of the moron who downmodded the parent as flamebait. not that it is possible to RATIONALLY justify what i have posed though.
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"Such a move would crater the US economy " If the US economy gets cratered so will every other economic system on the planet that is more complicated than using goats and virgins for as currency. Isn't it a simple and orderly world when everyone can blame the US for every single fucking problem? It offers absolution to everyone there by stifling any real efforts to actually address their own problems. If you believe the world can dump the dollar without bankrupting themselves you are living in a dream world. The current US debt load is not an insurmountable obstacle giving the sheer size and dominance of the US economy. As a percentage of GDP the US debt is ranked 36th in the world. The US per capita GDP is ranked 7th in the world only losing out to countries smaller than an average size US city such as Kuwait,UAE, and Qatar. People love to proclaim the US no longer manufactures anything but somehow they are still ranked the #1 exporter in the world. People like to claim China owns the US because of their purchase of government bonds and securities but never acknowledge that the Chinese consider these investments safe, profitable, and low risk. Any harm China would inflict in this arrangement would end up hurting them more than the US. China has the 2nd largest economy and is still about 4 trillion short of surpassing the US while having 4 times the number of people to support under their system and they have started running into their own difficulties lately which is slowing down their projected growth. There are countries looking to dump the Euro and return to their own currency so situations like the Greece meltdown doesn't take them down. If the world critics want any positive changes in the world they need to stop taking the easy way out by blaming the US for everything and expecting them to fix everything. The US does have problems and has created it's own share of problems and should be part of the concerted efforts to make things better but it is hardly the cause of everything that goes wrong in the world.
Here is another excellent article on exactly what Strauss Kahn was calling for (and why it scared the U.S. government so much). Of course, with their puppet in place as IMF head now, this plan has been quickly dropped.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Seriously embarrassed by what, exactly?
The point is that this is what Strauss Kahn was calling for right before his arrest on trumped-up charges. And literally within days of a new IMF chief being elected, the prosecutor in the case (who had previously made a public arrest and called the case rock solid) suddenly drops the case and admits that the only witness is a joke. If you think that's all just a coincidence, well then, what can I say?
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
If you engage in retroactive rape, time traveling Hitler may insult your grandmother!
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Exposing the nasty secret memos of the State Department (many of which have and will cause serious diplomatic problems for years to come) and also exposing serious weaknesses in their security, among other offenses. That's no laughing matter. People have been assassinated over MUCH less.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Strauss Kahn's political career is over and a pro-U.S. puppet is in charge of the IMF. I would call that a pretty successful operation. The goal was never an actual conviction.
And no Illuminati or tin foil hats necessary. Just an agency with a long and well-documented history of these sorts of operations to protect U.S. interests.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
The same Bonnier business which received funds from the US Federal Reserve Bank, along with Sweden's central bank, during the period of 2008 - 2010. Funny how those things always work out that way????
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Your comments are excellent, LizardKing, but that must be added. More importantly, they Brits should be far more concerned with the total compromising of their government and police forces by the Rupert Murdoch crime machine, and begin using all their resources to extradite Murdoch and his co-conspirators.
the most enlightening post in this whole discussion. spills out a lot of names to watch for.
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"Alex I'll the-rapists for 1000 dollars..."
youre screwing someone, and she withdraws consent half a second before your ejaculation. or, just at the point you started ejaculation and your body is convulsing involuntarily.
Please enumerate all of the circumstances where it's ok to fuck somebody who doesn't want you to. That sounds like it would be very useful to know.
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I'm not using that argument, but I think it requires a good faith effort to stop as soon as possible. Which usually will be pretty immediate. Not several minutes later. But, you do have a point, in that absolutely immediately isn't necessarily realistic in all cases.
"But crucially, Emmerson said, there was no lack of consent sufficient for the unlawful coercion allegation, because "after a while Assange asked what AA was doing and why she was squeezing her legs together. AA told him that she wanted him to put a condom on before he entered her. Assange let go of AA's arms and put on a condom which AA found her."
That make the above paragraph much milder and more akin to "he did not see it immediately but complied afetrward".
Im willing to state that your opinions on the matter has about as much influence on the actual facts of the case as does mine; that is, none whatsoever.
The fact is that he is being tried for involuntary intercourse, which is being termed rape. Whether or not you think the law is reasonable is irrelevant, especially when it comes to his extradition. If Assange can show that he attempted to comply with the woman's wishes, that would be a matter for the actual trial; at the moment the fight is over whether he will go peacefully to a trial or make a spectacle out of this entire thing.
Might be credible if you had a shred of evidence to back your claims up; otherwise, how do you intend to separate yourself from scores of other certifiably nuts conspiracy theorists?
Which is completely irrelevant to the US not liking the idea of a transition away from trading oil in US dollars and from using US dollars as reserves.
And also completely unrelated to what I claimed which had nothing to do with manufacturing or debt to GDP ratios and so on.
There's certainly no blaming of the US - it's the only place that doesn't get any of the blame since they aren't the ones choosing to use another country's currency for world trade. Your the only one who mentioned the US being a cause or being expected to fix things.
There's also no "inflicting" or malice involved (from China). It will change at some point and everyone knows that (we don't use the pound sterling for international trade anymore after all). Obviously the US would prefer it to be later, while some others would prefer sooner, while some others just want to be ahead of the curve without spooking the markets and triggering a collapse that hurts them.
Being the world's reserve currency has *huge* advantages and the US can't really be faulted for benefiting from them. However, take those advantages away and you are going to be in trouble if you have relied on them. Also note that said cratering of the economy isn't the end of the world, it's just a restructuring though one in which the US emerges from significantly less wealthy (but positioned to boom again if the government can manage the transition).
woman says in her own testimony that she never told him to stop. you cant even begin to charge 'involuntary intercourse' with that.
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That isn't how you do it. You have a relatively low level person with access to information supply the fake information. You then have them spend the next year in a jail cell. I doubt it would be that hard to find someone that would willingly play the roll of the patsy.
You really like ranting, don't you.
You think everyone in this discussion is american. What an americocentric idiot you are.
I suppose I should take it as a compliment that you mistake me for a native speaker.
You think it's reason to regard all arguments against Assange only in isolation, so nothing amounts to much, but you weave everything against the accusers into a big conspiracy theory.
Uhhh....Did you miss that this thread is about WikiLeaks?
I'll see if I can get the CIA to send you a signed confession.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
That would make a great sig line.
The world is made by those who show up for the job.
Assange's work with Wikileaks is indeed extremely important, and that is precisely why he should have got over his personal shame, instead of acting this childish and disrespectful - and all this commotion would all be over and done with long ago and more importantly the focus back where its better need.
Filing accusations of this kind is never easy, especially not when the guy is a huge celebrity. Give these women a break until their case have been tried. Being right or wrong, together with whatever evidence these women have been found trustworthy enough to have their case investigated, which means Assange needs to be interrogated. Probably it all ends there, maybe not, but that is the way it have to work. Thousands of people are extradited between European countries every month, it is common procedure and Assange is no exception - the law applies to ordinary people as well as politicians, footballers, rock stars and the occasional Julian Assange's. Just get over it, Assange!
To make it easier for Assange, he was even offered to be interrogated discretely at the airport without media or anything, but he declined. Maybe it was the 'without media' part that made the offer less appealing?
PS. Contrary to common belief people are not convicted of rape in Sweden for 'forgetting to use a condom'.
This case is groundless unless the alleged victim had a serious reason for "not articulating" herself properly, that is, fear for her safety if she did so. That would make the case a sexual assault, and that is a common feature of assaults. Being "badgered" into sex is not grounds enough.
Yes, because the critical question in these cases isn't whether she wanted it, but rather which other aspects of the situation make it OK for a guy to have sex with a woman despite the fact that she might not actually want to.
Are you adequate?
One of my favorite parts of Johnny Dangerously is that news article.
Do you have any evidence that the posters who put forward those objections you listed were American?
If not, then congratulations, you just let your emotions judge and convict an entire country's population of being unforgivable due to some pseudoanonymous comments people made on the Internet.
I really hope you don't hold any position of power or serious responsibility in your day job that requires objective analysis.
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Do you have any evidence that the posters who put forward those objections you listed were American?
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Being the reserve currency does provide great benefits but this fact has provided stability and is so embedded in the world economic model that changing to something else would be catastrophic for not only the world economy but also for the world diplomatic relations. This issue would prompt the US to really start using their every bit of leverage they posses to prevent this from happening. Classifying the change as "restructuring" is like describing violent genocide as mere population restructuring. This is just the kind of issue that can speed up the coming of WW3. Governments also do not have the final word on this issue because the global conglomerates for good or ill also have the means to throw up road blocks if it appears they are looking at economic upheaval. The sheer administrative costs associated with this type of change over is enough to cause problems. And then the question becomes what should become the new reserve currency? China's artificially manipulated currency, the Euro which is already raising red flags after the problems in Greece, the ruble, the yen, or the peso? When is the last time the countries of the world have come together unanimously on any issue of importance?
Source would be nice, I linked my source at the start which says that she DID withdraw consent during the act.
Do you not have an enter key?
For the first line, yes the US dollar has provided stability, the problem is it is now not doing so. The dollar's devaluing is pushing prices higher and pumping inflation everywhere else (there should be inflation in the US - that's what happens when you borrow lots, but it is being seen elsewhere instead). The rest of world isn't going to put up with that forever, hence the moves at moving to "currency baskets" and so on.
For the last line, I stated what the guy was for using in the first damn comment, and of course it was none of the currencies you listed.
I didn't read the rest, since it's one huge block of unreadable text.
source is above in higher posts of this thread. there are many posts pointing to other phenomenon not broadcast by anglo-american media as well.
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Far as I understand the latest law in the UK is even more strict in this case.
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