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Internet Use Found To Affect Memory

An anonymous reader writes "The rise of Internet search engines has changed the way our brain remembers information, according to a new study out of Columbia University (abstract). 'We are reorganizing the way we remember things,' said the study's lead researcher. Because search engines like Google and Bing are so easily at hand, we feel less need to remember details that can be easily looked up. One possible upside: 'Perhaps those who teach in any context, be they college professors, doctors or business leaders, will become increasingly focused on imparting greater understanding of ideas and ways of thinking, and less focused on memorization. And perhaps those who learn will become less occupied with facts and more engaged in larger questions of understanding.'"

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  1. From the department of... by Anrego · · Score: 3, Interesting

    explaining the gory details of what we already know? Ok maybe for a general audience this is news, but for any tech minded person, I imagine this was already well understood.

    I learnt to program before I had access to the internet, on a Dragon32 (TRS-80 clone), from one source of information: a single book. I remember re-reading a paragraph many many times over to squeeze a little more understanding out of it). I can _still_ remember the specific memory address you had to poke to squeeze a little extra performance out of the processor.

    Now days (and I think we all know this or at least relate to it), I have the stuff I use frequently memorized, and anything else I relegate to “stuff I can just look up”.

    Would also note that it isn’t just the internet (at least for programming). Auto-complete and intuitive naming also plays a big part in the lack of need to memorize stuff.

  2. A Smart man once said... by BagOBones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Never memorize what you can look up in books. --Albert_Einstein
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

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    1. Re:A Smart man once said... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      Never memorize what you can look up in books. --Albert_Einstein

      I'm inclined to agree. What's more valuable: Knowing how to solve problems or memorizing the solutions to a bunch of problems?

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    2. Re:A Smart man once said... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reminds me of this SMBC comic on the difference between a science fan and a scientist.

      http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1777

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    3. Re:A Smart man once said... by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think Einstein may have been overstating things. Some details may often be safely left in books, but a portion of the memorization I did in school has served me quite well, despite what I thought at the time. You have to build a framework of knowledge in any subject area to know what details you can look up in the first place, and having at least a foggy recollection of things you memorized at one time helps. "Is it in a book or not" is not a good standard for that.

    4. Re:A Smart man once said... by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 2

      Never memorize what you can look up in books. --Albert_Einstein

      Yeah, why bother memorizing stuff like 6*6=36 when you can just look it up in a book?

      Plus as an added benefit the government won't need rats in a face cage to get you to the 2+2=5 stage, they'll just change the web page to make that the new truth.

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    5. Re:A Smart man once said... by heathen_01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree with your point. My example is the java JDK. Sure its searchable and indexed, however if you don't know you need to use a ReentrantLock it will (potentially) take a lot of searching before you realise that is what you need to use. However once you remember that you need a ReentrantLock then looking up what the constructor parameters are is invaluable.

    6. Re:A Smart man once said... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Depends on how quickly you need to know the answer to the problem. You ever seen someone searching desperately for a calculator because they need to add up a list of 5 or 6 numbers? Or someone that can't write a paragraph without a dictionary? It's such a sad spectacle.

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  3. Re:All men rejoice by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No... because that should be in your Google calendar, and you'll receive a reminder when you visit it.

  4. Supplements to improve memory by nido · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last summer I found a little herb shop in Phoenix, Arizona. One of their custom loose-leaf tea blends was called An Elephant Never Forgets. My memory had been rather fickle, ever since I lost it entirely for a 2-week period after I nearly drowned at the lake, some 12 years before. The lack of consistency was rather annoying, but only when I realized that there was something I couldn't quite remember.

    I bought an ounce of said tea, and immediately noticed a dramatic improvement in my ability to remember. I don't take it all the time, or even regularly, but I did happen to see the bag this morning. Funny how that works.

    Here are the ingredients from the above link, to save you all a click:

    Mental focus formula
    Ingredients:
    Ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba) – increases circulation to brain, increases cerebral function
    Gotu Kola (Centella asiatica) – nerve and brain tonic
    Rosemary (Rosemarinus officinalis) – antioxidant, supports cerebral function
    Rhodiola (Rhodiola rosea) – increases memory and overall performance
    Sage (Salvia officinalis) – antioxidant, supports cerebral function
    Spearmint (Mentha spicata) – increases circulation, flavor
    Cardamom (Eletteria cardomomum) – increases circulation
    Calendula Petals (Calendula officinalis) – encourages lymphatic circulation

    Additional Information
    This formula is great for those who wish to be mentally alert without using caffeine. A very popular tea among students, but excellent for anyone wishing to support focus, concentration and memory.

    Huperzine-A, from the moss, also has potent memory-improving properties.

    There are a lot of other important factors to memory improvement... I should look for a publisher. :)

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    1. Re:Supplements to improve memory by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure you were just sold snake oil, you know like those multivitamins that claim to increase your penis size...

    2. Re:Supplements to improve memory by gomiam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You missed an ingredient: placebo ;)

    3. Re:Supplements to improve memory by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Heh... Actually...

      Gotu Kola has been shown to pretty much be one of the highest natural sources of B1, B2, and B6 vitamins- which would be brain/memory boosting.

      Ginko's been claimed to be memory loss/dementia preventing. Mixed bag there on the research (some research indicating so, some not...)- but they DO know it has an impact on healthy individuals by boosting attentiveness considerably through it's ability to inhibit norepinephrine uptake. I'd say it'd help in remembering things because of that aspect.

      Not sure about the other herbals in the tea, but Firmoss happens to supply a known fairly potent nootropic. Research has shown that it's roughly as effective at dealing with Alzheimers as the current drugs on the market with quite a bit less side effects. Other research on the nootropic aspects are currently ongoing but they're in the process of producing a highly refined and concentrated version of this substance to treat Alzheimers right at the moment.

      So...saying that they were just sold snake oil...not as such. Where do you think asprin came from? It was by researching the effect of salicylic acid and trying to find a "better" answer for the stuff that already largely worked- from plant extracts, much like this herbal medicine you're calling "snake oil". Yes, much of this stuff is that- but to dismiss it like you did is to ignore where your medicines at least initially came from.

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  5. Understanding requires factual knowledge by KalvinB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You can't "understand" things if you don't have the "facts"

    The brain is also far superior than Google in combining facts into new understandings. Google cannot relate Moby Dick and Treasure Island together. You have to actually read the books to know what each are saying so that your brain can extrapolate the common themes.

    The idea that having "stubs" of knowledge in the most powerful computer on the planet and leaving the real meat of facts in the dumbest computers on the planet is somehow a good thing is just idiotic. Google is not going to link information together for you. You have to put the real meat of information into your head and then only your brain is capable of making connections to create real understanding.

    1. Re:Understanding requires factual knowledge by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Your example defeats your argument. Nobody needs to memorize Moby Dick or Treasure Island to relate them together. Reading a book is not the same as memorizing it. If you were going to write a thesis on this you would just go back to the books and find the passages that back up your assertion.
       

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    2. Re:Understanding requires factual knowledge by slinches · · Score: 2

      You can't "understand" things if you don't have the "facts"

      Sort of. You can't "understand" without at one point knowing the facts. Do you currently remember all of the words to both books? But you obviously do remember the general story lines and plot themes. This is exactly the point TFA was making. We don't recall things that we know are available to look up, but do remember those that that aren't (i.e. your interpretation of that data).

      The idea that having "stubs" of knowledge in the most powerful computer on the planet and leaving the real meat of facts in the dumbest computers on the planet is somehow a good thing is just idiotic. Google is not going to link information together for you. You have to put the real meat of information into your head and then only your brain is capable of making connections to create real understanding.

      The human brain is powerful, but it's strength is not accurately storing information. What it is good at is recognizing patterns and linking data together to build models that are applicable in a larger context. Once our understanding is built, there's no need to store every piece of information that went into it, just a link to where it is or the ability to recreate it from our mental model.

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  6. For anyone saying this is bad... by bmo · · Score: 2

    Literacy changed the way how we remember things. Before that, we had to rely on oral tradition.

    If you think that external tools weaken your brain and are bad for you, I suggest you try giving up reading and writing for a week. Not forever, just a week. No newspapers, just word of mouth. No jotting things down on post-it. No Sacred Shopping List for your Fallout Shelter.

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  7. Relevant Einstein quote by shoehornjob · · Score: 2


    ONE OF Einstein's colleagues asked him for his telephone number one day. Einstein reached for a telephone directory and looked it up. "You don't remember your own number?" the man asked, startled. "No," Einstein answered. "Why should I memorize something I can so easily get from a book?" Einstein was waay ahead of his time.

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  8. False equivalency by Kijori · · Score: 2

    From my experience the internet does indeed create greater access to knowledge and facts, therefore making things like research much easier and making it unnecessary to remember trivial details that can easily be re-found. I think there is, though, a negative side to this abundance of information: a false equivalence among the different sources of information. How many times do you hear internet-users - and particularly, I would say, those who have grown up with the internet - stating as fact things they read in a blog, or an article from some unheard-of digital publication, and using that information to attempt to refute statements from a far more authoritative source? How often - here on Slashdot, for example - have you seen people refuse to believe something where another poster has cited a credible offline source, but accepting any link, no matter where from, as proof? How often do you see Wikipedia articles with footnotes that reference a page with no citations and no reputation as though the mere existence of a link somehow confirmed the point's veracity?

    It's very easy, and in my experience very common, to treat the internet as a single source of knowledge, every fact that flows from which is equally credible and deserving of equal respect; this is perhaps helped by the anti-hierarchical bent of many internet users and online communities. This, I think, is something very strongly to be resisted. Hierarchy should be welcomed, provided it is won on merit. As an example, the authors who write the works of reference (offline) on a subject are selected because of their eminence and learning, and their writing is criticised by other respected experts in journals and other books. When we pretend that that filter is without value and that everyone's contribution is equally informative we put ourselves in the paradoxical position of having our learning hampered by an overabundance of information.

    I was going to continue and give further examples and explanation but I don't want this to become overly lengthy and obscure my point: we should embrace the value of the internet - but we need also to be honest about its limitations. The online community is at present hostile to the idea of expert editorial control on online resources. They should not be (within reason). The internet can remove hierarchy and equalise everyone - but is that always desirable?

  9. Used to dislike history class ... by perpenso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Never memorize what you can look up in books. --Albert_Einstein http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein

    I disliked history until I had a class in high school where a teacher went off curriculum and taught the class like a college class. No memorizing dates and such, they can be looked up in a reference, what we focused our time on was *why* that historic person made that particular decision at that time and place. What influenced or led to that decision? This is when history became interesting to me.

    FWIW this was all pre-internet.

  10. Re:Slashdot Bias shows through by nido · · Score: 2

    I assume you are referring to the studies that show anti-depressants are no better than placebo. This was discussed here some time back:

    http://science.slashdot.org/story/08/02/26/107234/Antidepressants-Work-No-Better-Than-a-Placebo links to http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045

    hth, HAND.

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  11. Re:Slashdot Bias shows through by nido · · Score: 2

    All drugs have placebo effects (even the ones that actually have physiologically useful effects), so gomiam's statement was entirely meaningless. But because of the Slashdot Bias for "Corporate Science", he gets instant +1 insightful +1 funny.

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