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OpenBSD Marches Toward 5.0 Release
badger.foo writes "OpenBSD-current just turned 5.0-beta, providing us a preview of what the upcoming release (slated for November 1st) will look like. Peter Hansteen takes us through the main new features and explains the development process that has consistently turned out high-quality releases on time, every six months for more than a decade."
If it wasn't for the fact that most System Administrators are more comfortable with Linux or Windows (And many of the new ones are not too willing to expand that much on the command line). I would have all my servers running OpenBSD. You get it set it up to do the Job you want and let it work.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
He's "De Raadtical"!
That's why I use it! No one can piss all over a party on the listserv like Theo!
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Disclaimer: I use OpenBSD for hosting mission critical financially sensitive servers.
Sent from my ASR33 using ASCII
OpenBSD 5.0 will be released in November.
Twice a year releases mean that we knew this back in 1996.
And 5.0 will be just as much a major release as 4.9 was.
If your hardware is older, OpenBSD is a safer environment - if your CPU does not implement the NX bit, OpenBSD manages the same functionality with W^X. Many other memory-handling features make the system safer (malloc with mmap, rather than sbrk, for example), although there can be a performance penalty.
OpenBSD implements privilege separation in many of the daemons of the base system (ftpd, dhcpd, ntpd, sshd), so you can trust them more.
OpenBSD's alternate daemons for well-known protocols (ntpd, smtpd) give you some "security through obscurity," and you also gain flexibility.
There are also custom patches for well-known servers to improve security (apache chroot).
In a number of ways, OpenBSD is the "Reference UNIX Security implementation." Come see why.
for the last couple years, http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html#hardware very good, works with all the wireless and USB devices I've plugged into it including cameras, several types of wireless ethernet, usb to serial. Yes, it works on my Toshiba and Thinkpad laptops with all video and sound ok, admittedly as one of two alternate partitions for grand occassions with windows xp, and not my main Linux one.; A lot of the recent device additions of that is due to NetBSD and FreeBSD, the BSD license is great for spreading the device love around.
Sweet! Does it ship with Pulse Audio?
Some things that annoyed the hell out of me:
1. First install it wouldn't boot. Seems it didn't save the partitions correctly, so tried again. This time it booted.
2. Home and end keys don't send you to the end or beginning of the command line you're on. Mac also does this. It annoys the hell out of me. One thing windows and linux got right.
3. It comes with vi by default but trying to install vim was a hassle. And once you get it installed, it's not used by default. Instead you gotta create an alias on your shell login script. But even then I could not get that working. On linux, when you install vim, it replaces vi. If I use the command vi after I install vim, it'll use vim. On bsd it keeps both, leading to frustrations.
4. You need to install openssh server after and then go through hoops to allow users to login.
This really did remind me of linux back in 1995. It's archaic and you must remember work arounds. How hard is it to make these modifications be part of the standard install? Why weren't they done a long time ago? I'm sure if you started making stuff as "easy" as linux, you'll attract more users. But from trying it myself, I can see why it's used by so many few people.
What a stupid way to count users.
However there are many people who try to seem smarter than they're, and they might deserve to be made fun of.
Leaving aside the moral debate of when a person deserves mistreatment, what is the value of abusively mocking someone in a public forum? It does not raise the level of discourse to something productive. At the least it's a kind of friction and so energy goes out the window as a kind of heat loss. Maybe it's a kind of turbulence that amplifies the original wobble of stupidity rather than smoothing things back into a laminar flow. Maybe it promotes a culture of antagonism, resulting in rampant friction and turbulence throughout, even in areas where there's small and meaningful/useful disagreement.
From what I can tell, it's an emotionally underdeveloped way of giving in to one's anger urges rather than a well-considered method for advancing discussion and making progress. You could say it retards progress. There are other, more sophisticated, and actually beneficial ways for handling disagreement and coping with people who are patently wrong.
but did you ever figure out why virtualization is a bad hack to prop up crappy software?
Poettering:
"You're not welcome to complain if it's free"
On how the speaker got feedback from various mailing lists/communities:
Poettering: "You didn't ask the right people...next time just ask me, thank you very much."
Poettering:
"I'm sorry your mindset from the 1970s unix is not up-to-date anymore...*booos*...I see, lots of UNIX lovers here...*cheers*
Speaker:
(after talking about hald)
Poettering: "Ok, hald has been deprecated for 2 years, not my fault people still use it."
speaker: Yes, but it's got these limitations, we should get rid of it, do you agree
Poettering: No, when we designed it it was great, it did all these things that could never be done before
speaker: but it never worked
Poettering: you're doing it wrong, it worked great.
The guy interrupted the speaker for the entire talk and then got up and stage after him and took the mic. What an asshole. Completely regardless of whether or not you disagree with the speaker, it's just plain rude to interrupt a talk like that.
Actually, if people think OpenBSD's release schedule is a good thing, then I have no idea why people would complain about Mozilla trying to mold their release cycle in a similair fashing.
Because OpenBSD has been doing what Chrome did from the start: a timed release cycle. Take the features that are done and only release those.
The Mozilla folks still need to learn a bit I'm sure. They'll probably get the hang of it soon.
New things are always on the horizon
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Jack: What if the applicant wants to discuss virtualization?
Theo: Hurl abuses at him, hit him with the broom, and then threaten to get a shovel.
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