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Lucas Loses Star Wars Stormtrooper Copyright Case

An anonymous reader writes "A prop designer who made the original Stormtrooper helmets for Star Wars has won his copyright battle with director George Lucas over his right to sell replicas. The five-year saga, which ended in the highest court in the land, has stakes of galactic proportions."

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  1. So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may be hard for a lot of younger people to believe, but there was actually a time in Hollywood when George Lucas was considered an incredible up-and-coming young director. Coming off of American Graffiti, a lot of people were thinking he would be the next Francis Ford Coppola. He was widely regarded as being in the same league (maybe an even better one) as Martin Scorsese coming off Mean Streets.

    But then the greed got him. An afterthought merchandising deal on Star Wars meant that his big money-maker from that point on was toys and merchandise, not movies. He stopped directing and let his best years pass him by. The ten-year-rule for directors is that, give or take, most directors have about 10 years of truly creative energy. And with the mountain of money he was sitting on from toys, he just sat back and let his expire. Now we'll never know what he might have done if he had to struggle, if he had kept working.

    That's a great lesson for you young creative types out there. Careful what you wish for.

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    1. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by redemtionboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ehhh, I don't think it has anything to do with greed. I think it has to do with that George Lucas is a great producer but a horrible director. Any director that says "I don't like the talking parts" should never be a director. If you think he is any different now than he was then, all you need to do is look at the original script to Empire Strikes Back. which features Darth Vader's subterranean castle with gargoyles and lava and that Luke's real father wasn't Darth Vader nor was Leia his sister. The thing that kept Lucas under control wasn't less licensing, it was smaller budget constraints and a lack of a team of yes men. No one dare tell Lucas that anything he did with Episodes I-III was garbage, He had a blank check to make the movies and a team telling him he could do no wrong. I couldn't expect anything different to happen.

    2. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      What's amazing is those innovations started when he was a kid.

      - Dan.

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    3. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by alphatel · · Score: 2

      You're forgetting about THX 1138 which for a student project, starring Duvall and Pleasence, was a true sci-fi piece of brilliance. Too bad about most everything afterwards.

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    4. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His failure was in never coming even close to living up to his creative potential.

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    5. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Yes, he made a lot of money before his directing career had even begun to mature. I'm just glad Scorsese didn't.

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    6. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      American Griffiti sucked. Lucas was always total fail.

      Agreed. I never saw what the big deal was. I could barely stay awake while watching it.

      Star Wars was such a huge hit because of timing and his special effects. I remember back then - there wasn't anything like it before: special effects is what made it.

      He's all special effects and no story. The last Star Wars made, it was all: Anakin turns completely evil, fight, Anakin kills, Yoda says something trite, pseudo Zen like and backwards, Palpatine says something trite and "evil", fight, more fighting, and Anakin dressed as Vader.

      Tada! Star Wars III.

      Isn't there a Perl script that writes Star Wars scripts?!

    7. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Ucklak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not a failure in a business sense but a failure in a creative sense.

      He surrounds himself with 'yes' people. Once he lost Kurtz, he never had that struggle to give his creative properties that extra push that made them great.

      Even Phillip Kaufmann is credited with Indiana Jones.

      Rick Mcallum is a total YES man and could have saved Prequel Star Wars if he would have had balls.

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    8. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Chucky_M · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plinkett covered this in detail via http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/ His reviews were easily the best thing about episode 1-3, GL is a great business man and nobody will take that away from him but he is the Microsoft of the film world.

    9. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by multisync · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ten-year-rule for directors is that, give or take, most directors have about 10 years of truly creative energy.

      Lolz ...

      Well, I guess someone better tell Scorsese, Eastwood, Woody Allen, David Lynch, the Cohen brothers, Cronenberg, Richard Linklater, Errol Morriss, Tarantino, Paul Thomas Anderson, Ang Lee, Gus Van Sant, and Wim Wenders their careers are over.

      Oh, and considering Lucas helmed two of the most successful movie franchises of the late 20th century, while founding companies that set the standard for cinima sound (THX) and special effects (ILM), no, I'm not surprised he was considered "an incredible up-and-coming young director." Along with contemporaries like Copola and Scorsese, he has had a dramatic influence on the art and science of making movies.

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    10. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by tg123 · · Score: 2
      Seriously, you make a handshake deal (Bet this deal was done in a pub)

      turn a few drawings into props for a major film and you lose all rights to use /make those props again ???

      How does that work ???

      Show me the paperwork that was signed.

      Sounds to me like George Lucas was being a cheapskate and ripping someone off.

      Is this great Wheel of Karma coming back or is it Luke defeating the Evil Emperor again ??? Use the Force .........

    11. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have one of the Darth Vader light sabers. In the sense that it is one of the flashlight holders that was rented to the movie by the props agency. I bought it when the props agency closed. At the time of the movie, no-one knew it would be a success. A lot of stuff was rented from the various agencies in LA. My version of the saber can be seen hanging from DV's belt. Once the movies became successful, the franchise has rewritten the history of its props and has mislead people in the various exhibitions it has staged. In the first movie, no-one was designing kit for posterity, they were renting junk for a single movie.

    12. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Of course. I was the one who wrote the original post, not him. I'm sure *he* also thinks his shit doesn't stink.

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    13. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by dunezone · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a "Making of the Phantom Menance" video that you can watch on youtube. The look on Rick Mcallum's face after the first cut of The Phantom Menace is priceless. Then they go talk to the editors who tell them they cant fix any of the problems they see. This was a main point on the Red Letter Media review of the movie also. The only thing that saved them was that the movie would be a box office success no matter what.

    14. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Out of your entire list, only Scorsese is an exception to that rule. He got about 20 years instead of the usual 10.

      And the only influence that Lucas ultimately had on the "art and science of making movies" was in the influence that the special effects innovators working *FOR* him had.

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    15. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      I think that main problem with the prequels was the fact he was in total control and no one challenged him on anything. With the original three there were others that brought in their ideas like script writing and directing. I'm not advocating creating by committee but sometimes a fresh perspective can make something better.

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    16. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Who's the bigger fool? The troll, or the anonymous coward who follows him?

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    17. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by SirWhoopass · · Score: 2

      I agree, the "Lucas is greedy" bit is far overblown. Yes, he makes a ton of money. But he doesn't live like Donald Trump, even though he easily could. From all accounts, he has a rather modest lifestyle for someone of his wealth. He pours the money into what he likes: making films. He seems to enjoy it from the macro level, and isn't so good at the details.

      Plus, a lot of people overlook the influence of his former wife, Marcia. She edited Graffiti, Scorsese's Taxi Driver, and all three in the original Star Wars trilogy. For the prequel trilogy there was no studio or editor who could force hard decisions on Lucas.

    18. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      I thought the clone wars non-cgi animations were the best part of the new bits.

      Grevious as an undeterable jedi killing robot was actually a decent villain.

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    19. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Pope · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would tend to agree: Lucas is a great technologist (THX sound, ILM effects, starting Pixar), a man who had a great imagination and desire for story telling, but an absolutely lousy director. You need to connect with your actors to get great performances from them, and Lucas wasn't interested enough in that. There's a behind the scenes clip from "Star Wars" that takes place on the Death Star. The good guys finish the scene, Lucas yells "Cut!" and the actors ask how it was. Lucas says nothing for a while, then finally says it was OK. The actors sarcastically say "Finally! Thanks, George!" or similar.

      Then look at the making of Episode 1 and some of the clips on Red Letter Media, especially about the casting of Anakin. George chooses a worse actor and everyone just agrees with him so they don't rock the boat. Then during filming, he provides barely any direction to the actors at all, which is why everyone except for Obi-Wan comes off so damn stiff. I think Ewan realized early on he wasn't going to get any feedback and just had fun with it.

      I'm certainly willing to cut Lucas some slack on "Star Wars" due to studio pressure and his own relative inexperience, but he was never and actor's director and I doubt ever wanted to be.

      Now back to the topic: Hooray for the little guy! :)

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    20. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by RoccamOccam · · Score: 2

      What does your heart tell you? I hope so. Yes, I guess... Ugh, now I need a shower.

      I don't remember that last line.

    21. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      What good is toiling away in obscurity making great films that nobody will see, and dying in poverty?

      He toiled away making great films that everyone saw, and got rich, so he stopped and let other people sell toys and books for him.

      When he finally decided to go back and milk the cow again after 16 years (during the last 10 of which he directed nothing and produced only The Last Crusade and Radioland Murders), there was only a skeleton and a bit of leather in the corner of the shed. That didn't stop him from trying anyway.

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    22. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by redemtionboy · · Score: 2

      It's not that there wasn't enough dialogue. There's plenty of it, but it's the wrong dialogue and its delivery was poor. I'd blame the actors on delivery, but the ones that had issues with delivery in the new films are fantastic in others, so at that point I must refer solely to the director.

    23. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by GooberToo · · Score: 2

      Most intelligent people saw the writing on the wall when he sued Battlestar Galactica way back when. He's been on a steady decline ever since.

    24. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by aztektum · · Score: 2

      Spielberg anyone?

      Jaws -1975

      Schindler's List - 1993

      Jurassic Park - 1993

      Saving Private Ryan - 1999

      Munich - 2006

      Plus everything in-between, that's 30 years of, give or take, of making movies people "must see."

      Munich did not bring in the crowds like Jurassic Park, but it wasn't that kind of movie. It was still critically lauded and nominated for many awards.

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    25. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by s13g3 · · Score: 2

      Really? Lucas isn't greedy? He musters the entire weight of his fortune, business and legal team against little guys selling bits of plastic; this is neither the first nor the only example of such behavior, as there is the beginnings of a clear pattern dating back to 1984 when he sued FASA Games over the use of the word "droid", leading to their game "BattleDroids" being renamed "BattleTech". I appreciate your sentiment, and would agree that Lucas' ex-wife probably had a lot to do with his earlier films being any good (since none of his films since then haven't been), but regardless of his lifestyle, he's still a greedy, arrogant schmuck.

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    26. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by GooberToo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I could have eaten a bowl of alphabet soup and shat a better plot than that.

      Actually, 1-3 literally have no plot. They are just a combination of random, usually conflicting and confusing words, and images.

      Don't believe me? Check these out. The narrative voice is annoying as all hell, and the reviews are very long, but he does an absolutely wonderful job of analyzing those "movies." Literally, they have no plot. If a film student were to produce that shit, they would be ejected from school.

    27. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by berashith · · Score: 2

      was there a Natalie Portman shower scene only available on a special edition DVD set?

    28. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by GooberToo · · Score: 2

      Because I'm sure he wouldn't see his own career as a failure

      Very likely, you're wrong. Look at how many of his movies he goes back to fuck up. That's typically a sign he does in fact see his previous accomplishments as a failure; either directly or indirectly.

    29. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

      You're forgetting about THX 1138 which for a student project, starring Duvall and Pleasence, was a true sci-fi piece of brilliance. Too bad about most everything afterwards.

      Actually he did two versions. Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB was the the student project in 1967. The 1971 movie THX1138 was the Warner Brothers/American Zoetrope version based on the short he did as a student in 1967.

    30. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by el+borak · · Score: 2

      Any director that says "I don't like the talking parts" should never be a director.

      You mean like Kubrick did in 2001?

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    31. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The lightsabres cut through flesh and bone like a hot knife through butter. The surprising thing isn't that hands get chopped off, it's that anyone finishes the training with all their limbs still attached. How many corpses get thrown out the back of the Jedi academy for each one who graduates? They don't even use training swords - right from the time they are barely old enough to walk they are using the omni-slicer.

    32. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Whoa! Differentiate between early and late Cameron please.

      The Terminator and T2 were excellent films. Aliens is close to being perfect.

      I'll concede that he hasn't maintained that level, but he has demonstrated a level of vision, technical skill and artistry far beyond Lucas.

    33. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Star Wars was such a huge hit because of timing and his special effects. I remember back then - there wasn't anything like it before: special effects is what made it.

      There was more to it than that. It was a classic good-and-evil story with some mythology ("the Force") thrown in, some very entertaining characters, amazing sets and alien costumes, space ship battles, and of course the lightsabers. A lot of very unique ideas, and while not really high art (the plot was straightforward and mundane), it was very entertaining. Some of it was a little campy, but then again in the 70s, everything was campy, plus that can be a nice alternative to the hyper-realism that things have now. Movies are supposed to be an escape from reality; I really don't like movies that show the most nitty-gritty life in all its gory details, I want to see something that makes me think positively.

      Even so, those movies could have been a lot better. Even for the 70s, Star Wars (ep4) was a little too campy, and ep6 had problems. ESB showed what those movies really could have been if Lucas had stuck to his strengths--FX, costumes, visuals, etc.--and let someone more capable handle the direction and script. The script and especially dialog are his absolutely worst qualities, as we saw in the Prequels. Small children could write better dialog than he can.

    34. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by joss · · Score: 2

      > They were a perfect opportunity to paint a horrific personal slide as an idealistic young man with the galaxy laid out before him becomes everything he hates becuase of hubris.

      Star wars 1-3 did a perfect job of this, as long as the young man you're talking about is George Lucas.

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    35. Re:So goes a once-talented filmmaker by sentientbeing · · Score: 3, Informative

      The RedLetterMedia reviews are better than the movies. Theyre fantastic.

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  2. List of Lucas supporters by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article, a list of people that supported Lucasfilms in the lawsuits: Spielburg, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Jon Landau, Brian Henson (Jim Henson's son). These guys just saw a lot of their monopolistic merchandising rights in the UK disappear.

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    1. Re:List of Lucas supporters by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, and the UK just saw the first evidence for 10 years that in a small hidden away part of the universe, sane copyrights do exist!

      Even though this guy won, the case basically said Lucas had 15 years to monetise the design, and since then this guy, who moulded the original helmets, may now make some money off that having seemingly made fuck all from the original billions the Star Wars franchises netted Lucas and friends.

      All in all, it seems like a decent outcome. Lucas got to make his money from story telling and directing, this guy got to make money from his talent- creating props. Is that such a bad thing? Should Lucas really have been able to make money on even the bits he was talentless at? Even there he had 15 years to do so it would seem!

    2. Re:List of Lucas supporters by Desler · · Score: 2

      Yes, but when he purchased these items they were not considered works of art. They were bought as industrial props and nothing more. The UK court didn't care that after the fact it was realized these could be sold as works of art because at the time they were bought they were nothing but props and as such only get 15 years of copyright protection. Unlike the US court, the UK court didn't fall for Lucas' revisionist history.

    3. Re:List of Lucas supporters by Grumbleduke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Much of the High Court judgment was taken up arguing this (as Ainsworth was counter-claiming that *he* owned the copyright in the helmet), but it was ruled that if there were any copyright or design rights they would be owned by Lucasfilm as there are presumptions about employers etc. owning things, and the evidence suggested that Ainsworth had only made minor modifications to the original designs, and these had all be approved by someone at Lucasfilm, possibly Lucas himself. [You can read the HC judgment here.]

      However, the court found that the helmet (and the other props he sells) weren't sculptures, so not covered by copyright at all in the UK (the design right they're covered by expires after 15 years). While there are copyrights etc. owned by Lucasfilm in the sketches, plans, drawings for the helmet (and in the films, of course), there is a specific exception to UK copyright law (under s51, CDPA) for making models from plans - this doesn't infringe copyright in the plans (otherwise you'd need a licence for every set of flat-pack furniture or Lego model).

  3. I have mixed feelings about it. by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have mixed feelings about it, but I like the way the decision went. I think the "implied contract" BS is just that... BS. That this ruling might "hurt" artists in Britain because movie makers will not want to use them is also BS - all they have to do is have, you know, an ACTUAL contract.

    That what this artist is doing is "piracy" is also BS... he's actually making physical objects... the same physical objects he created over 30 years ago. Calling it piracy is like a record label calling their own artists pirates for doing live performances, even though there was no clause in their contracts not to.

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  4. I feel a great disturbance in the Force... by ozbird · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... as if millions of voices suddenly cried out "F*ck you, Jar Jar Binks!" and were suddenly smug.

  5. A Miscarriage of justice! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently, the UK case hinged on whether the stormtrooper armor was a sculptural work of art(entitled to copyright in hahaha-not-quite-perpetuity) or a merely functional design(15 years). The court decided the latter.

    However, as a nerd and pedant in good standing, I cannot allow this ridiculous assertion to go unchallenged: can armor that fails to protect its wearer from being clubbed to death by mere teddy-bears, and reduces the accuracy of the Empire's finest to one notch above slapstick truly be called "functional"? Absurd.

    1. Re:A Miscarriage of justice! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Quoth young Skywalker: "I can't see a thing in this helmet."

      So it is written.

    2. Re:A Miscarriage of justice! by Tetsujin · · Score: 2

      I'm reasonably certain the function of the so-called "armor" wasn't protective at all. Its sole function was to look impressive and create an army of troopers that look exactly alike. This is intended to dishearten their opponents, because when one falls, an identical one takes their place and you don't even notice that one's gone.

      They started out with an army of clones... and made armor so they'd look identical? :)

      (Though I never really thought of the Imperial Stormtroopers as clones... I never really thought about the mention of the "Clone Wars" in Star Wars, always assumed Stormtroopers were just regular guys.)

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  6. Why did Lucasarts have any rights at all? by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    The writeup suggests that Lucas just bought a load of armour from a supplier. No contract to indicate this was a work for hire. The artist designed and manfuactured the armour and then sold it. They were just sold as props. I seem to agree with the supreme court here.

    What I don't see is why Lucas has rights for those first 15 years. If I use any other commercial product in a movie do I have full rights for 15 years to explit it? If I have my hero drive a Ferarri does this mean I can refuse to allow Ferarri to make their own cars for 15 years?

    Also it's a bit rich for the spokeswoman to say "We believe the imaginative characters, props, costumes, and other visual assets that go into making a film deserve protection in Britain." I didn't see anything in the article about the artist getting royalties for the millions of stormtrooper figures sold.

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  8. Re:Interesting by Desler · · Score: 2

    The decision basically said that the helmets were not works of art or sculpture, but instead 'industrial props',

    Yes, because at the time that was all they were viewed as by Lucas when purchasing them. It was not until after the success of Star Wars and the merchandising rights started to become lucrative were all these props considered "works of art". It's historical revisionism to claim otherwise.

  9. Re:Interesting by Joe+U · · Score: 2

    I see the opposite.

    'Design and produce 50 helmets and suits, based on a sketch, for a movie I'm filming' doesn't equal 'Design and produce a statue, based on a sketch, for my garden'.

    It was obviously a mass production of props for a movie set, the fact that they became popular doesn't change that.

  10. Unmitigated gall and greed by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are so correct. And make money he did--during the late 70s and 80s, George Lucas and 20th Century Fox made millions off this movie. Apparently, that's not enough though, nosiree. In spite of the piles of cash in both of their respective bank accounts--and the piles of cash that are still flowing into their respective bank accounts because of the franchise--they're going to begrudge this schmo living a very modest life a few thousand dollars for physically making something that he originally designed that helped contribute those millions to their bank accounts.

    And then they have the unmitigated gall to accuse the guy of piracy--the guy who designed and built the things to begin with!

    You know, I could understand this if it was some jerk who has no relationship to Lucas or the movies making them and selling them as "Authentic Star Wars Stormtrooper Helmets," but that's clearly not the case. What should have happened is that George Lucas should have said, "You know, even if he's technically breaking copyright law, I'm going to give this guy a pass." Or if he were worried about holding onto his IP rights (even though there's a snowball's chance in hell of him losing them if he chooses not to pursue one single guy because of personal reasons), then he should have called the guy up and said, "Hey, how about giving me a token cut of the profit of each one sold for legal reasons, like say, one penny, and you can even tell people that they're authentic and authorized by George Lucas?" Oh yeah, because that would mean that their piles of millions of dollars would be shorter by a few thousand dollars, which is antithetical to the principle of being so damn greedy that it's not enough that you succeed, but everyone else must fail.

    Watching the Star Wars is one of the most cherished memories of my childhood, and I've always wanted to share those movies with kids growing up today. This crap makes me sick, though. It makes me wish that I had never seen the damn movies to begin with and stop sharing them with other people.

    Personally, I wish that they would restore the copyright length here in the U.S. back to its original 28 years. 28 years seems like plenty to make money off of your creation, and making it any longer stifles creativity and innovation of others and takes away from the public domain that which belongs in it. I know this case took place in Britain, and I wish that they would enforce a similar copyright period, which would have made this whole case a non-issue. The way I'm reading the article, although the outcome was fair to Mr. Ainsworth, it's still not a best-case scenario. He really only scraped by because the court found that his creation was an "industrial prop," not a work of art. Still, whatever, I'm glad the guy won.

  11. This victory will certainly change things. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 2

    While this certainly is a victory for this guy, things will change in the movie industry. No longer will props be bought without huge contracts that take away every single right of the people who design and build them. I foresee this causing the elimination of most independent shops designing and developing props. Movie studios will instead go to (or create their own) industrial prop houses and hire cheap talent to crank out props. The really good artists will be replaced by wage slaves just showing up for a paycheck. Sadly, winning this battle may eventually cause the war to be lost.

  12. I really wanted to side with Lucas on this one... by erroneus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I do see the stormtrooper costume as art or at the very least, a critical component of art creations such as video and images. How is a prop not art?

    But you know? Still glad Lucas lost in this case.

    But one argument I didn't read and kind of expected to read at some level is that these costumes are COSTUMES. They are CLOTHES. And guess what? Clothes are not eligible for protection under copyright or trademark. Logos and branding on clothes are eligible, but for hundreds of years, this has been the case and courts have held this up for nearly as many years.

    I would have argued that the helmet and armor are clothes and are simply not eligible for that kind of intellectual property protection. I wonder how that argument, if made, would have fared through the courts?