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First Observational Test of the "Multiverse"

An anonymous reader writes "The theory that our universe is contained inside a bubble, and that multiple alternative universes exist inside their own bubbles – making up the 'multiverse' – is being tested observationally by UK physicists, who are searching for disk-like collision patterns in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) radiation. Though CMB is generally thought of as a uniform schmear of radiation extending in all directions in our universe, in fact, they say if a multiverse exists, there ought to be imprints trapped in the muck like footprints of where our universe banged into others."

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  1. first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    in this universe at least.

    1. Re:first by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting question. There are several different kinds of possible multiverse (see Tegmark). What this is looking for is type one, possibly type two. They're the most "boring" in some ways because the "other versions" of you exist simply because of statistical imperative and are also a very, very long way away. It's like proving two identical snowflakes have existed, but not knowing where or when. Still, I love the fact that people are trying to test ideas that were thought to be untestable at one point.

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  2. Collision? by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If universes can physically interact with each other, can each really be called a "Universe"?

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    1. Re:Collision? by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes. Inaccurately perhaps, but life goes on, the sun will still rise and fall.

    2. Re:Collision? by blair1q · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Can" and "Could" are two different things, especially when you're looking at the CMB. It emanates from the initial state of the universe, before the time when the laws of physics as we know them had formed. The other universes are not this universe because they degenerated to different laws. But before then, it was one big multiverse stew.

      Or some silly shit like that.

    3. Re:Collision? by Sicily1918 · · Score: 2

      "Can" and "Could" are two different things, especially when you're looking at the CMB. It emanates from the initial state of the universe, before the time when the laws of physics as we know them had formed.

      Uhhh... no.

    4. Re:Collision? by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but our universe is called Universe A. You can be Universe B.

    5. Re:Collision? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh my god -- wow -- what a mind blowing concept...
      If more than one universe, can it really be called a universe?

      Maybe we will need to call it something else...
      If more than one universe - hmmm - that'd possibly be very many.
      Many is multiple of one...

      I got it!

      We'll call it a MANYVERSE!
      No... wait .. that doesn't have a catchy enough ring to it.

      Many... mega... multi... multiple... hmmm....
      Multipleverse?? multiver..

      Ahh yes that's it -- A MULTIVERSE!

      Or you could have just read the damned summary.

    6. Re:Collision? by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If universes can physically interact with each other, can each really be called a "Universe"?

      If they could not physically interact, what would be the point? If something can't be seen, measured, felt, etc then how can it even be said to exist?

    7. Re:Collision? by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

      Err, no.

      Putting aside your citing Yahoo answers as being both an ad hominem (yet still hilarious) I should like to point out the the laws of physics before the big bang - the ones that Yahoo answer was referring to - aren't necessarily the same as the ones that occurred after it in the early Universe - i.e. after the big bang during the bold, quoted period in the post you're trying to correct.

      If you want to argue that the laws of nature are mutable then by all means try, but you will also have to show that the ways in which they change during the formation of a universe/the Universe aren't governed by rules otherwise it's turtles all the way down.

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    8. Re:Collision? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      I'm not fond of calling people morons, but when they make asses of themselves like that, I'm very tempted.

      GPP asked not whether the set of several universes can be called a universe; obviously, we call that a multiverse. He asked whether, if those several universes physically interact with each other, can each of those several physically-interacting things rightly be called a "universe", which together compose the multiverse?

      Traditionally, part of the definition of the universe is its causal closure and spatiotemporal isolation. Anything which interacts with anything in the universe is in turn a part of that same universe; consequently, different universes are not connected to each other in space or time. If there are multiple universes, thus, they must not interact with each other; for if they did, they would all be same universe. Otherwise, why don't we call each separate galaxy a "universe"?

      This definitional lack of interaction is one of the reasons some people take issue with the concept of the multiverse to begin with, as it makes them inherently untestable. That's why the article is supposed to be noteworthy: "Hey look! A way of observationally testing for other universes!" The GPP is noting, in turn, that if you can observationally test for it, that implies its interacting with our universe, and thus fails the usual definition of "another universe".

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    9. Re:Collision? by istartedi · · Score: 2

      If it has more than one verse, it's some kind of poetry or a song. If it has an infinite number of verses, it's Vogon poetry.

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  3. DO NOT CLICK by XanC · · Score: 2

    goatse

  4. Re:BS by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe you just don't what what you're talking about, and think that playing a public game of semantics is a suitable replacement for knowledge.

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  5. Multiverse "pressure" by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, my 11-year-old son said something kind of interesting last night, on this subject. This month's article in Scientific American is about multiverse theories, and he asked me (paraphrase), "If the universe is contained among a bunch of other universes, and the universe is expanding, isn't it possible that the other universes are exerting pressure on our universe as it's expanding?"

    I'd never really thought about that before, and it may be an unanswerable question (along the lines of, "what are the multiverses contain in"), but I thought that was an intriguing thought.

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    1. Re:Multiverse "pressure" by wdef · · Score: 2

      Kudos to your son. In fact, NASA's Goddard Space Centre has speculated that gravitational pull from another universe might explain the Dark Flow of galaxies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_flow This is unproven however.

  6. Re:This... by johanatan · · Score: 2

    No, not verify. You can only say that the tiny amount of observation we've directed at the hypothesis is consistent or inconsistent with it.

  7. Re:BS by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, you're just making it up now. Typical Libertarian. Go back to jerking off to pictures of Ron Paul, and leave serious historical and economic analysis to people who don't treat politics and economics like some sort of a religious statement.

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  8. Re:BS by Blackwulf · · Score: 2

    I am going to make the assumption that you are living in the US (based on your other posts.)

    Considering that the summary says that "UK Physicists" are researching this, my guess is that neither you nor I are paying for this as a US taxpayer.

  9. Hidden Reality, by Brian Greene by rocket+rancher · · Score: 2

    Just finished reading The Hidden Reality by Brian Greene, a respected string theorist. He explicitly mentions mining the CMB data for exactly this kind of observation.

  10. Re:BS by DuChamp+Fitz · · Score: 2

    You've now proven you know nothing about physics, economics, or American history. That's quite an accomplishment for one thread.

  11. Re:Meanwhile on earth ... by DuChamp+Fitz · · Score: 2

    You're assuming that the abilities that make for a good cosmologist are the same as those of a good climatologist, politician, or genetic/agricultural engineer. They're not.

  12. Re:This... by elsurexiste · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was expecting this kind of comment. You fell into my trap! Muahahaha! :)

    Now, seriously, Karl Popper is a late guest in the show. There are two lines of thought, verificationism and falsationism (Popper and its following). The first one states that you must verify your hypothesis with experiments. Those experiments, though, are nothing more than steps in an endless stair of confirmation. Popper said that scientists should aim for the opposite, that is, you can't verify but you can falsify, and Science's objective (with capital "s") should be to keep trying to falsify hypothesis.

    It doesn't matter in the end with which epistemological view you adhere, as they are two sides of the same coin. If you are a verificationist, you keep doing experiments that will verify your hypothesis until you find one that doesn't. If you are a falsationist, you keep doing experiments that will falsify your hypotesis while you wait for the one that succeed in doing that. Either way, you keep on testing: that is the essence of the scientific knowledge.

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  13. Re:Nonexistent by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2

    Look,

    If you wanted to observe multiple universes, I wish you'd have asked me earlier, mate. I'd have introduced you to my neighbour, Benny "The Shroom" Colforth.

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  14. Re:Hume and the Irony Universe by shoor · · Score: 2

    'universe' comes from Latin words meaning something like "rolled into one". 'University' for example, was originally a synonym for 'guild'. Students in Bologna, Italy, in the Middle Ages formed a guild or university to have bargaining power with tradesmen, landlords, and teachers. The idea caught on and that's how European Universities got started.

    So, 'multiverse' could mean 'rolled into many', which to me doesn't seem too far off the mark the way it's applied. Anonymous coward says he (or she or it) prefers 'cosmos' for a space time continuum. The word originally meant 'order' and was in opposition to 'chaos'. (According to the wikipedia, so it's almost certainly true.) It doesn't lend itself to a hierarchical terminology though, does it?

    I think it's more productive to say we have a universe, all rolled up into a bundle, but there are other bundles out there, forming a multiverse in the cosmos, which may have come forth from a primordial chaos. But that's me.

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  15. Re:Meanwhile on earth ... by Creedo · · Score: 2

    Others worked on more pressing problems, like preventing catastrophic global warming, trying to avoiding using the remaining oil by fighting over it and making sure we are all fed.

    Sure, let's throw astrophysicists at economic problems. That's not inefficient and dumb at all. But, wait, we can head that problem off by forcing anyone who wants to be an astrophysicist to instead study something more practical. It's not like exploring esoteric physics has ever resulted in practical applications and the advancement of human well-being. /SARCASM

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