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Online Parody Cartoon Targeted For Prosecution

SeattleGameboy writes "It seems that the Renton (suburb of Seattle) police need a remedial course on the U.S. Constitution," linking to a story at Seattle TV station KIRO which says "The Renton City Prosecutor wants to send a cartoonist to jail for mocking the police department in a series of animated Internet videos. The 'South-Park'-style animations parody everything from officers having sex on duty to certain personnel getting promoted without necessary qualifications. While the city wants to criminalize the cartoons, First Amendment rights advocates say the move is an 'extreme abuse of power.'"

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  1. "certain personnel getting promoted without necess by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Funny

    "certain personnel getting promoted without necessary qualifications"

    The prosecution may have merit, wouldn't the above qualify as obscene?

  2. ACLU by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Interesting

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    1. Re:ACLU by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Interesting

      but overall, the ACLU is anti-church, anti-family, anti-white, and anti-establishment

      Nonsense. The ACLU defends *all* churches, not just the mainstream ones -- they step up to defend groups like the Westboro Baptist Church, as well as Muslims,Jews, atheists, Pagans, etc. The ACLU defends the rights of *all* families, not just Mom+Dad+2.5 kids. Labeling them "anti-white" is gibberish -- the ACLU defends the free speech rights of the KKK.

      And in a nation where the "establishment" has no respect for the rights of the people, being anti-establishment is a virtue.

      Not to say they're always right, but the ACLU is on the side of the angels more often than any other political group.

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    2. Re:ACLU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The only people who think the ACLU is anti-church are the ones who think their religion should be promoted to the rest of us. a random piece of data I found. I'm not sure how they're anti-family, or anti-white or anti-establishment. Unless you're trying to tell someone else how to live their life it's unlikely there is any reason to detest the ACLU.

  3. Blame the prosecutor by mbone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not the police, it's the prosecutor. The police may have agitated for this, but the prosecutor is the person who should know better.

    1. Re:Blame the prosecutor by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not the police, it's the prosecutor. The police may have agitated for this, but the prosecutor is the person who should know better.

      And should face disbarment for dereliction of his duty as an officer of the court.

      The actions he seeks to prosecute are practically textbook examples of protected speech.

      The judge who signed that warrant has some explaining to do as well. He isn't there to operate the rubber stamp, his job is to make the police and prosecutors demonstrate that their warrants are valid and constitutional before he signs off on them. If he won't do that or he's too much of a patsy to do that then he's a disgrace to his office and yet another in a growing list of reasons why citizens should re-consider any level of respect they might have left for their government.

  4. Wait for it... by U8MyData · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...you civil liberties are becomeing an endangered species if you question authority, impead the operations of businesses, or criticize your elected officials. I never thought it would come to this in this country. Isn't it sad that the pent up frustration and anti-establishment from the 60's generation (the people now in power) has morphed into this?

    1. Re:Wait for it... by naroom · · Score: 5, Funny

      I blame hipsters! (Is it still cool to blame hipsters?)

      It was only cool to blame hipsters before it was cool to blame hipsters.

    2. Re:Wait for it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Generation gap. The 60s people marched, risked jail time, and their lives to deal with this crap.

      These days, people don't give a shit about rights, as long as they have their iPhone and their Facebook. Maybe they might sign a petition to have the First Amendment reinstated, or like a group on FB saying they miss having the ability to not have their property searched at whim. However don't expect anything more than that.

    3. Re:Wait for it... by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      I lived through the 60s. It was more than just the war. A lot of people put their lives on the line in ways that had nothing to do with the draft. Their friends were getting killed because they were trying to vote in the south, for example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_civil_rights_workers_murders

      Corny as it sounds today, they did it out of a commitment to social justice.

      You're right, though. The draft incentivized them to resist the war in Vietnam.

      Of course, 3,000 Americans died in an even more senseless war in Iraq. I don't know why that doesn't incentivize kids today to do anything (beyond voting for Obama, which doing nothing).

    4. Re:Wait for it... by FutureDomain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generation gap. The 60s people marched, risked jail time, and their lives to deal with this crap.

      These days, people don't give a shit about rights, as long as they have their iPhone and their Facebook. Maybe they might sign a petition to have the First Amendment reinstated, or like a group on FB saying they miss having the ability to not have their property searched at whim. However don't expect anything more than that.

      Of course there are people today who care enough about our rights to stand up for them. They're called Anonymous. They may be trying to create change the wrong way, but at least they are standing up against corporations, organizations, and governments who try to censor and tear down the First Amendment.

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  5. Thank god for the Streissand effect! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another nugget I would not have known about were it not for someone out there trying to stop it!

  6. Tough Case by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's going to be hard for the prosecuter to prove "intent to embarass", given that the Renton Police Department apparently has absolutely no sense of shame.

  7. IANAL by Freddybear · · Score: 5, Informative

    But these guys are:
    http://volokh.com/2011/08/04/is-it-criminal-to-publish-parody-videos-that-use-lewd-language-meant-to-embarrass-and-emotionally-torment-police-officers/

    Yes, the Renton (Wash.) city prosecutor’s office concludes, applying the Washington “cyberstalking” statute — an excellent example of the dangers of the broad “cyberbullying” and “harassment” statutes that I have often condemned. KIRO-TV reports:

    The Renton City Prosecutor wants to send a cartoonist to jail for mocking the police department in a series of animated Internet videos.

    The “South-Park”-style animations parody everything from officers having sex on duty to certain personnel getting promoted without necessary qualifications.... [Last week, the prosecutor filed] a search warrant accusing an anonymous cartoon creator, going by the name of Mr. Fiddlesticks, of cyberstalking (RCW 9.61.260). The Renton Police Department and the local prosecutor got a judge to sign off as a way to uncover the name of whoever is behind the parodies.... ...

    Under the prosecutor’s view, any statement — including on a blog, in a YouTube video, in a newspaper article, on television, or whatever else — is a crime if it is made “with intent to harass, ... torment, or embarrass” the subject of the person “[u]sing any lewd, lascivious, indecent, or obscene words, images, or language.” A comedian’s joke that “lewd[ly]” or “lascivious[ly]” described President Clinton’s behavior with Monica Lewinsky, or for that matter Congressman Weiner’s behavior, would be a crime if it was made “with intent to ... embarrass” the President or the Congressman. The Hustler parody attacking Jerry Falwell, which the Supreme Court held to be protected against civil liability under the “intentional infliction of emotional distress tort,” would be a crime. Indeed, in this very case, the theory is that the videos are criminal because they described alleged police sexual misconduct using “lewd” or “indecent” words with the intent to torment or embarrass particular officers. (The theory expressed in the document — a search warrant application — is that the videos sufficiently identify the particular police officers who were involved in the incidents to which the video alludes.)

    If the prosecutor is right that the statute should be interpreted this broadly, then it’s clearly unconstitutionally overbroad. Speech to the public doesn’t lose its constitutional protection because it’s intended to torment or embarrass. (It may lose such protection when it’s intended to be perceived as a true threat of criminal attack, but that’s not the issue here.) Nor does lose its constitutional protection because it uses “lewd” or “indecent” terms. And while one-to-one speech said to an unwilling listener may in some circumstances be restricted — which is the reason traditional telephone harassment laws, if properly crafted, may be constitutional — this rationale can’t be used to suppress speech said to the public, even if the people discussed in the speech are tormented or embarrassed by it.

    Moreover, the statute would be clearly unconstitutional as applied to this video, and the prosecutor and the judge ought to know this. (The prosecutor is Renton Chief Prosecutor Shawn Arthur; the judge on an earlier warrant was James Cayce, but I don’t know what the affidavit said there, and I don’t know the name of the judge who apparently issued the warrant based on the affidavit included with the KIRO story.) A search warrant can onl

    1. Re:IANAL by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The prosecutor fully knows he is barking up the wrong Constitutional tree, but what is really unconcerting is the fact that they are doing this just so that they can find out who "Mr.Fiddlestick" is. Since Google won't reveal who "Mr.Fiddlestick" is without a criminal investigation, they are using this to run around that requirement. I doubt that they will even charge him with the statue. Pretty sickening abuse of power.

    2. Re:IANAL by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and you can guarantee "Mr. Fiddlestick" will turn up with a knife in him in an alley somewhere with "no suspicion of foul play".

      No - he'll just commit suicide. By shooting himself in the back of the head. Twice.

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    3. Re:IANAL by mosb1000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They already know who he is. The comics chronicle conversations he had with people in that office. And you can tell from their tone that he's on the outs with the leadership. They just want proof it was him so they can fire him, or whatever.

  8. Prosecutorial misconduct by Fjandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The judge should be removed from the bench and the prosecutor should be disbarred. This is blatant abuse of the judicial process, and both are either complicit or incompetent, and either one should warrant their removal from their respective offices.

  9. Open note to Renton Police and courts by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When you yourselves are seen as not obeying the law of the land, you expose yourselves to the risk of removing your authority. Authority is granted for certain purposes, not others. You must enforce the law, you are not allowed to enforce whims. You are diluting your authority by permitting such abuses. The people will see this as an abrogation of the agreement between government and the governed.

    Just because the founding fathers lived a couple of centuries ago, doesn't mean that people don't get equally upset now as they did in 1776.

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    1. Re:Open note to Renton Police and courts by IonOtter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, police are not supposed to "enforce the law", they are supposed to maintain order.

      If they see someone causing disorder, they may, at their discretion, choose to gently caution, give a stern warning to, give a written citation to, or arrest, the individual causing the disturbance.

      In a perfect world, a police officer will NOT enter into that situation simply because the individual causing the disorder is merely annoying or insulting to the officer themselves. In a perfect world, a police officer is supposed to have a thick skin and endless amounts of patience. In a perfect world, an officer refrains from a confrontation until someone else complains about the disorderly behavior, or that behavior clearly escalates to maliciousness and/or damage of physical property, or the overall psychological well-being of the populace.

      In a perfect world, "law enforcement" is the product of proper police behavior.

      What we are seeing is petty, selfish, arrogant, belligerent, puerile and legally actionable misbehavior by the police and their support structure.

      And, should the local legal system fail in providing a solution, then the case must be escalated to the state, then federal legal system.

      Should that fail, our problems are going to be much more serious than police misbehavior.

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  10. Yes and No by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course, NOT !

    In America, the cops is always right !! No matter what the cops did, or still doing, there are always people who will scream their heads off telling you that the cops are right !

    It has nothing to do with 1st Amendment or Free Speech or Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

    The Cops are above them all !

    Actually, the issue is a bit more complex, although this is certainly how many officers behave. (Others are significantly more professional, and even courteous.)

    A huge problem we have is that, realistically, the prosecution gets to write the story. The vast majority of cases settle, which means that the formal record of any criminal event in this country is the prosecution's version of events. This version of events is frequently, at best, inaccurate. The function of the prosecution and of the police, on paper, is not to be a neutral arbiter but to make sure the case is strong. This is not to say that this version of events is a deliberate lie, but it nevertheless completely fails to be an accurate record of the event. So of the huge volume of data we have of criminality, most of it is incredibly biased. Only when a case actually goes to trial does the defense present a case, and there the assumption on the part of most people in the room is that the defendant is guilty.

    That being said, I also know several people who have been beaten by the cops without provocation. Those cops are not professionals, and they are not just something of an ass at times. They are fucking criminals who should be sent to jail.

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    1. Re:Yes and No by haruchai · · Score: 5, Informative

      And some should face the electric chair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ljYNgLnpxM ( Murder of Kelly Thomas by 6 police officers, tasered and beaten to death )

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  11. (Some of) the videos in question by BillX · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11622514/score-parody-3

    http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11599075/score-parody-part-deux

    Also, the username(s) used by the uploader were "MrFuddlesticks" (not fiddlesticks) and "whothehellispenny". It looks like the rest of the videos have already been deleted (couldn't find any kind of search feature on xtranormal).

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  12. Re:Abuse Of Power? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know you're being annoying, but the truth is that it is expected that police forces will try to overstep their authority.

    That's the whole point of the Constitution: not that police forces and government officials will never overstep their authority but that when they do they get bitch-slapped to the ground and the overstepee gets a fat payday to punish the ones who violated someone's rights as well as their fat-fuck supervisors who got their position because they are the brother-in-law of the city council chairman.

    It is the beauty of our Constitutional system in action, and it keeps me from getting overly outraged at the police assholes who actually believed that you can prosecute someone for simply expressing an opinion.

    Now, the outrage would be warranted if somehow the prosecution stuck or said donut-eating side of pork and his department managed to somehow avoid the punishment they so richly deserve.

    For the most part, I'm OK with police. I know several socially and teach a t'ai chi course that is attended by a few forty-something officers. For the most part they are decent and honorable people who don't fuck around with peoples' rights. They are of a generation that is sickened by the behavior of predecessors like a former Commander Jon Burge (here in Chicago) who is sitting in a Federal penitentiary for extracting confessions through the use of torture. But now he's got to be really careful when performing his daily ablutions and the men who were tortured to confess have received multi-million dollar awards, which is of course insufficient for having spent years, sometimes decades behind bars and in a couple of cases on Death Row. But the right people were punished and the right people were paid and the generation of cops that seem to be rising to supervisory positions at least here in Chicago appear to be more professional and more decent.

    In other words, the system seems to work, but only if we constantly watch it. There needs to always be civilian oversight of all law enforcement (and military for that matter). There are still problems, but there's at least an expectation that they will be solved.

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  13. I'm not a criminal defense lawyer, BUT ... by Compulawyer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... I am a lawyer. Isn't there just a TINY problem with a judge in the State of WASHINGTON issuing a search warrant for premises located in the State of CALIFORNIA?

    This isn't a civil subpoena - it is a SEARCH WARANT. Hello? Jurisdiction anyone?

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  14. Re:i lived in renton for a few years... by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the renton police like to pretend they are all swat officers in a robocop movie. all of their patrol cars are kitted out with external roll cages, and the officers wear full body armor at all times. i used to work in the old city hall building, and they would use the floor below us for training exercises with flash bang grenades. we'd ride the same elevator up and i'd count the number of handguns strapped to their hips and chest (always more than their number of hands). parking in a lot full of brand new cop cars with shiny new powder-coated black rims didn't make me feel safer... it made me feel like the police had their priorities in an order that did not benefit the community... this story is more of the same.

    Who the hell are you and what have you done with the MichaelKristopeit### Troll?

  15. Re:Abuse Of Power? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're posting this in a article where someone is being charged by drawing a comic of police.

    And thirty years ago, people were charged for being gay.

    You have to take your progress where you find it, friend.

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  16. Re:Abuse Of Power? by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, sorry, the system doesn't work. Many police are sadistic bullies, and even the "good cops" accept it, so the good cops in their No, sorry, the system doesn't work. Many police are sadistic bullies, and even the "good cops" accept it, so the good cops in their complicity are bad cops too.

    People who are framed by the cops usually go to jail, sometimes to death row.

    The cases where innocent people are acquitted are rare, usually the result of an unusual circumstance, like the person who actually did the crime feeling guilty and confessing, or a crime where a DNA test can resolve the facts.

    The Innocence Project, which first started freeing people from jail with DNA evidence, said the significance of their acquittals was that they were rare and unusual and they demonstrated that many people were falsely convicted in cases where they *couldn't* be vindicated with DNA evidence -- and they're still in jail.

    Worst of all, when cops get caught committing perjury, the prosecutors usually don't prosecute. For example, in New York City, during the Democratic convention, the police arrested demonstrators who were doing nothing illegal -- along with innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with the demonstration -- and gave sworn testimony, under oath, accused them of felony crimes.

    One of the defense lawyers got the police's own videos, which clearly showed that the defendants were innocent, and that the cops were committing perjury. But the police department refused to prosecute them for perjury. If it wasn't for that accident of having the videos, these defendants would have had to choose between pleading guilty to a minor crime or (if they had the $50,000 or so for a criminal defense) going to trial and possibly getting convicted of a serious felony.

    So the police have strong career (financial) incentives for framing people, and no penalty for lying. What do you think they're going to do?

    If you look at Zimbardo's Stanford prison experiment you'll see that it's almost inevitable for the police to turn into sadistic bullies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

    In order to avoid it, the police managers and elected officials have to make strong efforts to overcome these natural tendencies, and most of them don't do it.