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Apple Patents Cutting 3.5mm Jack in Half

An anonymous reader writes with an article on a recent patent application by Apple. From the article: "Apple likes thin devices and considers the depth of the iPod, iPhone and iPad as critical component of the aesthetic appearance of a product and has been very aggressive in finding ways to trim fat from its portable devices: The 3.5 mm audio-connector stands in the way of future design improvements: Apple suggests to simply cut it in half."

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  1. I'm confused by Minter92 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is apple trying to patent an actual invention?

    1. Re:I'm confused by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steve wants to force you to buy a $20 adapter that costs $0.03 to manufacture.

    2. Re:I'm confused by fastest+fascist · · Score: 2

      Half of one.

    3. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      just call it the iJacked your wallet

    4. Re:I'm confused by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'll note that the patent (you did RTFA right? No, silly me, of course you didn't!) specifies that current connectors would be compatible with the port, but that either it would require a magnetic system to hold the connector onto the port, or a cover would have to be installed to hold the connector on, thus eliminating the need for an adapter since current 3.5mm jacks would work with it.

    5. Re:I'm confused by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong. Current ports would be compatible with the new plug, but NOT the other way around.

      And there's already a more standard approach to this - 2.5mm audio jacks.

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    6. Re:I'm confused by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTFA much?

      You;re the one that's wrong.
      " Current jacks will fit the new port design, but since the port is cut in half and exposed to one side of the device shell, a traditional connector would simply drop out: Apple proposes a magnetic interface that would keep a thin audio connector in place"

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    7. Re:I'm confused by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need practice in reading comprehension I feel, like every second post on this whole story. If proof were needed that almost no one at slashdot reads the articles, this story is it, with 30 people immediately posting factually incorrect information that is addressed in plain english in the article itself.

    8. Re:I'm confused by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...both old plugs and new plugs are going to fall out all the fucking time.

      Jobs: Obviously, you're jacking it wrong

    9. Re:I'm confused by _0xd0ad · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Current jacks will fit the new port design

      A "jack" is a female fitting. So is a "port".

      jack noun
      8 : a female fitting in an electric circuit used with a plug to make a connection with another circuit

      [2]port noun
      5 : a hardware interface by which a computer is connected to another device (as a printer, a mouse, or another computer); broadly : JACK 8

      THEY MEAN EXACTLY THE SAME THING!!

      In other words, whoever wrote that is a moron and failed to successfully explain what they meant.

      I'm still not sure whether they meant that current jacks will fit the new plug design, or that current plugs will fit the new port.

    10. Re:I'm confused by JWyner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except, again, if you bother to RTFA, you'll note that the author clearly defines what he means by "jack" (i.e., plug), when he states "The audio jack consumes about 3.5, while the port and its ring add another 2.5 mm." Of course, I'm sure it's more fun to play Language Nazi than actually discuss the implications of the article...

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    11. Re:I'm confused by kidgenius · · Score: 2

      Jack is just the hole/opening. Port is the entire housing, etc.. Easy enough.

    12. Re:I'm confused by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      The actual patent states this to describe that figure: (well, what I could find, anyway - it doesn't include the figures, but it references the ones that were in TFA)

      FIG. 8 is a cross-sectional view of a plug connector 800 mated with a low profile plug receptacle 802 that illustrates a magnetic retention mechanism according to an embodiment of the present invention. In the embodiment shown, plug connector 800 is similar in general construction to custom plug connector 400 of FIG. 4. For example, plug connector 800 can include a cosmetic cap 804. Low profile plug receptacle 802 is similar in general construction to receptacle 200 of FIG. 2A.

      In various embodiments, low profile plug receptacle 802 can include a magnet 806 and plug connector 800 can include a ferrous attractor 808 (e.g., a ferromagnetic material such as steel). In one embodiment, the ferrous attractor 808 can be a discrete object embedded in the plug and/or connector body of plug connector 800. In another embodiment, ferrous attractor 808 can be integrated into the structure of the plug or connector body; for instance, the entire plug can be constructed of a ferromagnetic material.

      In other words, a standard plug would fall out of the port, unless it was made from a ferromagnetic material or had a bit of ferromagnetic material embedded so that it would be held in the port by a magnet.

      Unless I'm reading that wrong.

    13. Re:I'm confused by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of very powerful, very small permanent magnets already in existence. That's the easy bit.

      And I'm going to put this exposed, surface mount, powerful magnet in my pocket with all the other flotsam? I don't think so.

    14. Re:I'm confused by aix+tom · · Score: 2

      There will probably be iDuctTape available.

    15. Re:I'm confused by PitaBred · · Score: 2

      If you all of a sudden start calling a screwdriver a hammer, even if you say you're doing so, it still makes you look stupid. Words mean things for a reason. That's how we communicate. If you randomly redefine words to mean the exact opposite of what everyone else understands, it confusizes the meaningness.

    16. Re:I'm confused by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      both old plugs and new plugs are going to fall out all the fucking time.

      Unless somebody does something intelligent, like using a rare-earth magnet. A quick test with a neodymium magnet and a nearby pair of headphones shows that even a line of contact (cylinder/plane contact) is enough to hold the plug while I put it in my pocket. Pulling the magnet out of my pocket by the cord did separate the two, but note that's a shearing motion. A neodymium jack would have much more contact area, so the magnetic attraction would be even stronger, and the physical shape of the tip will hold the plug even more securely.

      No, it's probably not going to be as resistant to disconnects as other plugs, and I certainly won't be hoping to see it in my stage sound system, but it'll be just fine for an iPod or iPhone, even for joggers.

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    17. Re:I'm confused by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      A "jack" is a female fitting.

      So, where does the phrase "jacking off" come from?

      Turning your own hand into a "female fitting"

    18. Re:I'm confused by BillX · · Score: 2

      A "jack" is a female fitting.

      I propose a movement to start calling the male end a jack, and the female end a jill. Confusion solved! (In a generation or so when it catches on, of course...)

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  2. Not sure if I want this by Giometrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Won't a thinner connector make it much easier to snap off ?

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    1. Re:Not sure if I want this by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the perspective of those who are likely to sell you the connector, that's a feature.

    2. Re:Not sure if I want this by Intropy · · Score: 2

      He's part of a shadowy organization including Teve Torbes, Dob Bole, Boba Fett, and Lamar Alexander #2.

  3. Re:More Apple-specific connectors? by jo_ham · · Score: 2

    Did you read the article? No? Didn't think so. The design features a method to make the port compatible with current 3.5mm plugs - either by magnetic connection, or via a "cosmetic cap" to hold the plug in place. I assume one that stretches to accommodate the full size 3.5mm plug.

  4. Jerks. by Nationless · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great.

    After only recently being able to plug in most phones with the same USB cable and FINALLY having 3.5 jacks a standard on said phones, Apple now wants to go fuck with the standards.

    Jerks.

  5. Re:Matchbox Prior Art by blair1q · · Score: 2

    Make the box lid a flap rather than a slide?

    Two-headed matches?

    Sell re-heading kits?

  6. Helps you insert it the right way round by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another advantage which they omitted from the article -- this invention will help you insert the plug the right way round.

    With the current circular 3.5mm jacks, it's actually impossible to know whether you've rotated the plug correctly. Sure, you can try to figure out if you've got it right by listening to the resultant sound quality, but that's inexact and most people don't even have the equipment. Now with Apple's invention, everyone will be able to insert it with the right rotation -- first time, and every time.

    1. Re:Helps you insert it the right way round by jovius · · Score: 2

      Exactly. It's great that Apple sells a device called iPolarizer to find the exact position. It works by aligning the electromagnetic fields of the connector and the plug to the same plane of reference. The effect lasts for a few weeks until you need to polarize the connectors again. There's also an app to visualize the process.

  7. Re:Why not 100% wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why should those perfect forms have holes in them?

    So tempted.

  8. Re:Not what I was expecting from the summary by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    It was kind of hard to do given that they used the term "jack" to mean "plug" and the term "port" to mean "jack" or "receptacle"....

    BTW, has anyone ever actually seen an audio plug (other than the old telephone switchboard plugs from the early-to-mid-1900s) that contained any significant amount of ferrous metal? I'd be curious to know how someone could think that standard audio plugs can be held in place by a magnet. I'm assuming, based on the fact that the person who wrote this story got basic terminology wrong, that the author also misunderstood that aspect of the patent....

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  9. Re:Obvious? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    The other nine will instead suggest to get off your fetish of ultrathin devices and just make the device thick enough for a normal plug. It's not as if that would be very thick anyway.

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  10. Re:TRS Connectors Suck by compro01 · · Score: 2

    The patented design allows semi-TRS plugs to mate with standard jacks, but does not permit the connection of standard headphones to the Apple design--what people will actually want to do, given the poor quality of the usual bundled earbuds.

    From my reading, a full male would work with this (the female end is basically like a trench or ditch on the outside of the device), just half of the connector would be sticking out and held in place al a magsafe, but a semi male probably wouldn't work with a full female, as nothing would hold it in contact.

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  11. Apple hasn't patented jack doodle. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    This is an application, not a patent.

  12. Re:Not what I was expecting from the summary by jo_ham · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, the idea is for a surface mount 3.5mm port that a half-width plug will sit in flush, but a normal 3.5mm plug will sit in but be proud of the surface, both held in place by a magnet. The patent also specifies an optional cover to make it look more aesthetically pleasing (or as a structural element of the port, depending on magnet strength).

  13. Re:Obvious? by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 3, Funny

    This invention halves the size of the jack, is compatible with all existing devices, and is less likely to break the device (pull on the headphone just pulls it away from the magnet instead of yanking the whole device). And nobody in 96 years thought of this solution.

    This is exactly what patents are for. Rewarding the people that spend their dollars on research to improve things. It's a small but innovative idea, and gives Apple a small advantage over competitors. Stop eating the sour grapes and start inventing.

  14. Re:Rotated by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Funny

    The round design is more for the ability to implement a non-keyed plug and port that does not care about orientation. I would think Apple would be in favour of that more than most companies.

    (Please excuse the traditional Apple joke, I couldn't help myself.)

  15. Re:Rotated by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

    You're both wrong. Round sockets (in general) became standardised by the germans during WW2 because they were faster to make. Simply drill a hole into the case of whatever electronic device you were making. Square ports were fucking difficult to cut into enclosures (still are - I tend to use round ports in my projects whenever I can simply because they are easier to make).

    Also, this is really good whiskey I've got here - my sister gave me a bottle to give me dad next time I flew down to visit, only he got a heart attack before I went, so now I'm sitting at my desk with an almost finished bottle of 25 year old single malt scotch.
    IOW, I may be talking shit :-)

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