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Linux Journal Goes — Surprise! — Digital

Mr_Perl writes "Linux Journal sent out an email to subscribers today announcing that they are going 100% digital. Subscribers signed on for a paper version of the journal, and now have been switched to an electronic version, apparently at the exact same subscription rate. No news yet on why they did it, and no sign of any offers to reimburse unused subscriptions for subscribers who are disappointed."

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  1. No thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I like having hard copies of journals, books, and magazines. I don't want to read stuff on a fucking tablet of some sort.

    People go on and on about how paper is fragile, but it's a lot more durable than the shitty Chinese-made devices that you have to use to read this "e-content". It gets worse when the publishers and vendors can arbitrarily delete material from your device, even after you've paid for it. Fuck that.

    Why the fuck would I pay the same amount of money and not get something physical in return? No thanks.

    1. Re:No thanks. by similar_name · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think we have the technology to print crap yet. I'm sure someone is working on it though.

    2. Re:No thanks. by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      > I don't think we have the technology to print crap yet. I'm sure someone is working on it though.

      Your wish is their command -- http://www.makerbot.com/ :-)

    3. Re:No thanks. by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And just on principal. The same price?
      It is free to make and distribute, how can the digital version be the same price?

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    4. Re:No thanks. by drobety · · Score: 2

      I like having hard copies of journals, books, and magazines

      Me too. It makes me feel good about myself when I throw them in the recyclable bin.

    5. Re:No thanks. by uniquegeek · · Score: 2

      They spend hours compiling the thing every month, and now their server's going to have a higher load (presuming people stay on). I'm not sure what they're using for desktop publishing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were occasional costs involved (stock images, etc.). How do you figure it's free to make and distribute?

      I'm not saying charging the EXACT same price is reasonable, but asking for 0.49 or 0.99 per issue for digital might not be a reasonable thing for consumers to ask, either.

      What would be free distribution is a free torrent - but then you'd either have to have it all free software, free images, free time, no expenses for the magazine, and people donating their time. As soon as you try to restrict who has it, you'll need to cover charges - the mere act of covering charges incurs a charge.

      Curious what people would think a reasonable price would be. I don't know, myself.

    6. Re:No thanks. by hawguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm very disappointed because it was my bathtub reading material. The bottom corners can sometimes get soggy, but it's still good. Can't say the same about a digital device. I'm not into the iPad hype anyways.

      Get a Kindle(*), put it in a 1 Quart ziplock baggy. Problem solved.

      I've done this in the bathtub, hot tub, and pool with no ill effects to my kindle. Which is more than I can say about some books and magazines I've accidentally dropped in the tub.

      * I'm sure other e-book readers would also work, but my Kindle fits perfectly in a cheap baggy, and the next-page prev-page buttons are easy to press while in the baggy -- probably not the case if it were a touchscreen device (like the Nook Color)

    7. Re:No thanks. by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Durability typically. Also the pictures tend to be more vibrant.

    8. Re:No thanks. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      Only a true nerd has LJ near the toilet with the pages stuck together.

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    9. Re:No thanks. by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2
      From the LJ's letter:

      (...) We realize that you may have paid more than our new subscription rate ($29.50 USD), so your current subscription term will be extended based on the remaining value of your subscription. For example, if your current remaining subscription value is $20.00 USD, the term will be extended by 8 issues based on the issue value of $2.56.

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  2. big mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just started buying this magazine at the news stand to take with me places I can't bring electronics. Now I guess I'll stop reading it.

    1. Re:big mistake by xtracto · · Score: 2

      You touch a very good point. For all the magazines I have bought and the ones I have subscribed to, I first saw them in a random news stand that I passed by and then, after briefly skimming through the magazine I decided to buy it.

      I did it about 20 years ago with PC Format. I did it later with Game Dev magazine (that shit was expensive to buy in Mexico), I did it with some *very* low print quality (black text on grey newspaper quality) magazine which had excellent content, also Linux Mag (for which I subscribed with an Alaska address and a cousin took the magazines to Mexico every 6 months. Then in the UK I used to buy the odd Linux or PC magazine (5 years ago).

      Now there is no way I will do such impulse buy. A lot of those magazines I just bought to read one or two articles which seemed interesting (or for the Jazz Jackrabbit demo floppy, or the Linux distro CD). Now I have to go to the internet to *look for* whatever I need... and the "discovery" (or pushed content as I like to call it) is minimum (well, hackernews is OK, but the editorial quality of blogs is terrible compared to any magazine).

      The problem with being "internet only" is that the only advertisement the magazine has is word-of-mouth. And the other problem is that buying only one magazine is really cumbersome (got to go into the webpage, use my credit card and... forget it) compared to passing by a random newsstand, seeing *that magazine that my friend told me about* and paying some change for it (after you quickly skimmed it).

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  3. I don't like digital-only periodical subs by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you let a paper subscription lapse, you don't have to return the books that you paid for under the subscription. It might be hard to find articles or search them, but you can keep a copy for as long as your copy survives! With reasonable treatment and storage conditions, that's upwards of 50 years.

    If you have a digital version... they have the ability to pull the old issues at any time; e.g. 10 years from now they might decide to "archive old articles", so you can no longer find them. Also if you let your subscription lapse, when your web account is disabled, you lose access to ALL issues, even ones put out last month when you had a subscription to the periodical.

    Also, if they go out of business and their website goes away, you lose access to all the articles you got under the subscription, and will have to pay more if you ever want to see them again, probably exorbitant fees to a database service or other archival service.

    Loss of articles may hurt you if you remember/kept a tab of it, and want to use the info. either to help you, to show someone else, or for research/paper writing purposes

    1. Re:I don't like digital-only periodical subs by MacTO · · Score: 5, Informative

      TFA notes that you can download a PDF version of the periodical, which means that you can keep the issues indefinitely.

      So what it really comes down to is a business decision, and they think that they'd be better off in an all digital format. And I think that the only people who have the right to complain about that are the ones who are going to end up with their remaining print subscriptions transitioned to digital (because that sure ain't what they asked for).

    2. Re:I don't like digital-only periodical subs by erice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... it also means you can print it if you so desire, so all the "whaaa give me paper" assholes can be happy too.

      You have a printer that will produce a full color, bound magazine that doesn't smuge for cheap? All I have is a crappy inkjet that smudges and cost a fortune to print in full color. Or I can get a color lazer printer that doesn't smudge and cost less per page but the images are garbage. In both I still end up with a bunch of pages that I have to hold together by stapling the corners. It looks and handles nothing like a published magazine.

    3. Re:I don't like digital-only periodical subs by uniquegeek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Keep them indefinitely? You mean continually backing them up to different mediums and hoping the medium doesn't die, converting the pdf to something else if pdf comes to a point of dying, hoping for backwards compatibility of readers (and ideally testing many of the pdfs each time the version or software package changes)...

      The effort involved with keeping magazines, in most instances, is carting the box around if you move. That, and keeping a pet bird away from it, if you happen to have one.

    4. Re:I don't like digital-only periodical subs by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Get yourself some archival optical media and you're done. Verbatim has some very nice stuff. It's stable at a broader range of temperatures besides the other benefits (in that it's actually designed to have longevity, unlike any normal media.)

      PDF is here to stay because ghostscript can handle it. Provided they're spitting out PDFs that you can render with gs, that is.

      The benefit, of course, is making a lossless copy and putting it in your safety deposit box or equivalent... that and not having to carry it around, or kill trees.

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    5. Re:I don't like digital-only periodical subs by faedle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Point by point, you realize, every argument you bring up is a red herring.

      Backing them up to different medium? A lot easier than making a photocopy of a magazine. I have EVERY DAMN TEXT FILE I'VE EVER WRITTEN dating back to the Commodore 64 days. Why? Because "backing up" is a simple process that's highly automate-able.

      Converting from PDF? See above: I have every damn text file I've ever written dating back to the Commodore 64 days. And I can read them all, too. Because (surprise!) there are emulators for running C-64 software, so I can fire up my old C-64 BBS any time I want. PDF compatibility is likely to be a non-issue, especially given that there are open-source PDF viewers even today, and given the quantity of stuff in that format it isn't going anywhere. I have early PDFs I created going back at least 10 years, all load up fine in modern PDF viewers, both open-source and Adobe's plugins and Apple's Preview.

      Digital copies are more survivable precisely because the ease and cost of copying is near zero. Copying and storing paper copies doesn't scale, and is costly.

  4. Marginal Cost Of Production v. Reader Demographic by cmholm · · Score: 2

    Of any periodicals, I think Linux-oriented rags are excellent candidates to go all digital. I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that the readership is on-line enough that getting their subscription material on-line is a natural step. They are probably more likely to have a tablet of some sort, even the rumored (gasp) non-Apple tablets.

    On the flip side: even if they increase their subscriber base, advertisers may lose eyeballs that would have flipped through an issue on the newsstand, or on a friend's coffee table/desk. Advertisers LOVE newsstand sales because the readers typically consume more of the content. Finally, I'm not surprised, but not pleased, that the subscription rate doesn't reflect the fact that major expenses will be eliminated: the post-layout printing and distribution costs.

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  5. Re:No thanks.: Ditto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I sit down with a dead tree version of anything, I read it with as much full attention as I can muster. I don't know why, but I really have to make a conscious effort not to get distracted when reading online and I want to skim. And then there's the read an article, see what's on /., read part of an article, go to Fark, read some more ....etc ....

    It's annoying but I find that my bad habits from online reading are moving over to the "real" world - I'm skimming more. I'm getting lazy with my reading habits. If the point isn't made in the first paragraph, I loose interest.

    The whole World is becoming tl;dr

  6. Re:It probably had something to do by bmo · · Score: 2

    While that sounds like a coincidence, it's probably the truth.

    Borders carried all of the computer rags that mattered. Now it's just down to Waldenbooks and Barnes&Noble and the odd "super-mega-newsstand" (that is getting rarer than hen's teeth) for retail dead tree geek mags.

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  7. Re:You can't wipe your ass with an e-reader. by similar_name · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least I can wipe my ass with it after I take a big shit. I'm not even joking. Magazines and newspapers make great toilet paper substitutes.

    I disagree. Glossy paper just smears the shit around and newspaper gets ink all over your ass. You're better off with a sock.

  8. Bad for the non-computer users by blendergasket · · Score: 3, Funny

    That really sucks for the subscribers who either don't have access to or don't know how to use a computer.

    1. Re:Bad for the non-computer users by healyp · · Score: 2

      No, they're probably reading PCWorld

  9. Re:Been done already... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...that whole "digital magazine" thing has been done already.

    It's called the Linux Gazette.

    linuxjournal is squatting linuxgazette.com. You may want to try the net domain for the real thing.

    I stopped buying linux journal when the articles became too predictable - rehashes of the same articles from the same month the previous year. Boring!

  10. Re:From the Editor by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ever since I discovered HTML, it’s been my preferred format for writing. Every word of mine that’s gone into Linux Journal, since I started in 1996, has been written and delivered in HTML.

    Hahaha, totally typical. When I edited Randall Schwartz's column for Web Techniques magazine, he delivered his manuscripts in Perldoc format. (Note: This was neither cute nor geeky, it was just a pain in the ass.)

    What’s different for me this time is that I’m not paying attention to my monthly 900-word limit (or less if images are involved). While a word limit does impose the discipline of brevity, the fact remains that brevity is not the only virtue of good writing. Yes, it’s a good one to have when your column appears on the last page of a print magazine. But when that magazine is no longer confined by the dimensions of printed pages, you’re free to go longer—or shorter, as the case may be.

    It's my belief that this is precisely what is wrong with a lot of online-only writing. Nobody is bothering to edit it anymore. Writers are free to ramble on for as long as they choose, and most readers end up tuning out after the first page (or not reading TFA at all). When an editor pretends that an online brain-dump is actually better than a well-edited article, watch out: the publication is about to take a nosedive.

    Linux Journal always has been a publi- cation for the Linux Community. Linux Journal will now be a publication by the Linux Community as well.

    Oh, so no editing, and no actual writing either? Where's my checkbook?

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  11. Won't be renewing by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I subscribed to Linux Journal because I wanted to support a Linux publication. I can get everything I cared about from Linux Journal from a variety of blogs that I already subscribe to, for free, via RSS.

  12. not another one by renegade600 · · Score: 2

    the rate everything is going digital, pretty soon I won't have anything to read when on the porcelain throne.

  13. Eventually I Will Have No Magazine Subsciptions by rally2xs · · Score: 2

    PC Mag went digital, subscription is up, I didn't renew. That's the way I intend to treat each magazine every time that happens. I pay money for a magazine, not a download. Do not enjoy reading on a monitor.

  14. Re:From the Editor by afabbro · · Score: 2

    "Ever since I discovered HTML, it’s been my preferred format for writing. Every word of mine that’s gone into Linux Journal, since I started in 1996, has been written and delivered in HTML

    Um, Doc, the Linux Journal Author's Guide says "Articles must be sent as plain ASCII text".

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  15. Re:From the Editor by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Oh, wow, I enjoyed Web Techniques back in the day. Thanks for that.

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  16. Re:From the Editor by PCM2 · · Score: 2

    Oh, wow, I enjoyed Web Techniques back in the day. Thanks for that.

    You're welcome, though I can't take a lot of credit.

    I was hired at Web Techniques as Senior Technology Editor. It was the first full-time editorial position I'd ever held. After they hired me I asked them why me out of all the other candidates. The editor-in-chief told me that out of all of the candidates he interviewed, I was the only one who gave an acceptable answer to the question "what is the relationship between Java and JavaScript?" He said every other candidate gave an entirely different answer, and he had never heard so much made-up bullshit in his life.

    Unfortunately, on the first week of my job, when I hadn't even really finished arranging things on my desk, I got called into the publisher's office for a meeting. He explained that they were going to be relaunching the magazine with more of an enterprise focus, and he was real sorry about that, but he couldn't tell me before I was hired because it was all confidential. I don't remember how many issues of Web Techniques I contributed to before the relaunch actually happened; it might have been a year's worth, but maybe less. I gave my 100 percent for the relaunched magazine, too (it was called New Architect), but I think it was a better magazine in its original format. Unfortunately, it was really difficult to sell ads against a magazine full of code listings at that time, and I don't think it's gotten any easier. So I do feel for the Linux Journal in that respect.

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  17. Cancelled by medraut · · Score: 2

    I cancelled my subscription because of this. The irony is that I had just signed up - subscription to start Oct 01 :-)

    Personally I _want_ a magazine that can sit on the table in my lounge, *cough* or on top of the toilet cistern. I do wonder how many subscribers they're going to lose because of this. Im sure they did a survey and decided the benefit was worth it.

    Heh, LinuxJournal deathclock anyone?
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