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New RIM Streaming Music: $5 For 50 Songs?
jfruhlinger writes with news that Research In Motion will soon jump into the music service market. The service will be available through BlackBerry Messenger, and will offer users 50 songs for $5/month, which they can then share with other people who own BlackBerries.
"So why would anyone pay $5 a month to get 50 songs on their phone, when they can pay $10 a month and get an unlimited number of songs, that work on lots of different devices, from services like Rdio and Rhapsody? Reasonable question! But RIM seems to be assuming that its subscribers won’t ask. Instead it is playing up the notion that BBM Music will be about 'personalizing' your phone, in the same way that ringtones supposedly did a decade ago. Ringtones, as you’ll recall, let buyers play a few seconds of a song, and sold for a couple bucks, while full songs from Apple’s iTunes went for 99 cents. And for a few years, the music companies and the wireless carriers sold lots and lots of ringtones."
Or you can wait a few months and buy 50 shares of RIM for $5. How much does a deathknell ringtone cost?
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Are you nuts? We used to buy songs on plastic discs, called RECORDS, in the 1970's for 99c!!!
Before going down the 3rd time, a drowning man thrashes harder than ever.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
"What about this."
"We're RIM. You want this."
"No. Seriously. What about this?
"We're RIM. You want this."
Newsflash RIM. You've been resting on the fact that you were a big dog in the early professional mobile market. That's not going to save you. It's the only reason you haven't bailed from the market already. It's not going to slow your plummet anymore.
So get back to work and FOR FUCK'S SAKE...INNOVATE. Otherwise, take your place along other relics such as Microsoft Bob. The Lisa. The Osborne 2. Get the picture?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
This isn't aimed at the corporate blackberry users. BBM is the new pager (remember those?) - the messaging of choice for low class drug dealers and their customers. Think the London Rioters. They loooove them some BBM, and might go for $5/mo for 50 songs, which is 10 more than you need for the top 40 regurgitated R&B hits.
This is a very bad deal for anyone who would actually read slashdot, but I can't say it's completely a horrible idea for RIM.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
99 cents for a song isn't extortion. At worst, it's a price somewhat higher than you'd like it to be. The fact that you have the ability to take something without paying doesn't mean that someone is extorting you by asking that you give them a dollar as a reward for their hard work.
So now 10 cents is too much to pay for a song? What's outrageous is being charged 20 cents for a freaking text message.
Let's do some math, based on my personal collection. I have 7,677 songs, only a small minority of which (~400) are Creative Commons or public domain. If I were to rent those from RIM, that would be... $770 per month. Even by RIAA standards, that's extortionate.
But, you say, I don't actually listen to all those songs. You're probably right. Let's trim out the ones I gave 1 or 2 star ratings (my entire collection is methodically tagged), the ones I only have because they came on an album with other songs, or even just to complete an artist's collection. That cuts things down to 6254 songs, or $630. Still way too high.
Again, you repeat, I probably don't listen to all of those in one month. In fact, so far this month I have listened to a mere 727 songs. Adjust for the length of the month, and that comes out to 1090 songs/month, or $110. Which is still too much for me to pay, but maybe someone will. Sucker born every minute and all that.
So let's say I only rent my very favorite songs, the one's I've given the full five-star rating. That's 70 songs (I'm very conservative with that rating), two of which are CC-licensed, and one more that is copyrighted but not available for sale. Still, that would be $10 a month, for my favorite songs and a few variations each month. Which isn't competitive with other streaming services, and isn't even really competitive with buying permanently from any popular store - those 70 songs would cost ~$70-100 to own forever, or a few month's worth of streaming.
#!/bin/bash
echo RIM are confused by the market
echo RIM don't know what to produce
echo RIM think that everybody likes Blackberry's
echo RIM can't accept that you would prefer another mobile
#!C
#include "staff.h"
#include "key.h"
#include "tempo.h"
#define poem RIMisRIM
a poem() {
RIM is RIM not Rim nor rim
tis why we stick them in
but
so where to put-it do we
}
#!/bin/bash
echo Can you guess what's in the headers??
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Except that Steve Jobs publicly said that Apple would use non-DRM'ed music in February 6, 2007 and Apple offered EMI tracks in non-DRM'ed format starting May 29, 2007. Amazon didn't launch the public beta of their store until September 25, 2007 and it went live January 2008. I can't see how at least several months before Amazon == after.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
And, as usual, everyone on this entire site is aware of that.
That isn't Apple's model. That is the normal way of buying music that Apple only adopted after facing pressure from the community and competition from Amazon and others.
Spin history any way you want. The truth is, Jobs penned his famous "Open Letter" a full year before Amazon opened Amazon MP3. It just took Jobs a little longer to work out the details and hammer out the details, since they had a lot more deals with a lot more labels, already in place.
RIM is laying off a fair amount of their workforce. Coming up with the worst ideas possible. The tablet is crap, the phones are old tech and horrible. This is their newest idea? The future for RIM looks bleak. Hell I can use subsonic and stream my whole music library to my phone or any web browser for nothing.
How much of that $770 would get passed on to the performers or writers? With some operations (mostly ring tones) that answer was $0 and assuming this bunch are going to be honest it's probably still going to be a single digit. There's a very good reason why the music industry looks a lot like organised crime and that's due to some of the same players being involved in both. Buy those CDs at the merch table after the show or off the performers web sites, it's the only way performers are going to get a decent cut.
and how long is a 'song' ?
Some artists have different ideas about that.
In the days of vinyl and also cassette tapes, a song could be around 22 and a half minutes. (and an album would be divided into 2 parts, (eg Hergest Ridge) or a double album could be 4 parts (Incantations)
Then CD's came along and a 'song' could be up to 74 minutes (something to do with one of Beethovens symphonies)
I don't have any songs that long, but I do have one nearly an hour long (Amarok)
So I don't mind paying just under $10 per hour of music as long as I can move it to other devices, and listen to it as many times as I want. But I won't pay to just 'rent' music.
Wow, after I do the Princess Bride line, you're going to set me up so perfectly with that blatant misuse of the word "simile"? It's too easy...
So you listen constantly to music you don't like? Maybe you should just turn the speakers off and save yourself the money(if you're actually paying anthing int the first place). Car analogy time. Imagine renting Yugos over and over again, just hoping that you will accidentally get a DB Vanquish. Save your time and just buy music you like and if you just think you like music but in reality do not then stop listening to music.
Someone wrote, performed, and recorded a song. If you would like to be able to listen to their work whenever you want, pay $0.99 for it (which is 1/2 of the cost of a fricking cup of coffee these days, and that will last you about an hour until you pee it out).
Did they force you to download it and now demand money or they will break your fingers? No? Then it's not extortion.
I don't get why people complain about this stuff so much. It's a completely elective entertainment expense, you decide if it's worth it and either buy it or don't...
I guess that's why buying the full album is usually couple bucks cheaper than it would be to buy each song individually. (I'm checking ITMS for this; not sure about other stores.) I agree, though--it feels like prices should be lower, since there's no physical media involved. Unlike many here, however, I don't mind companies having profit margins. Making songs cost 1c would be unprofitable--which means a lot less would be made (okay, that might actually be a good thing, but I digress).
If you can't convince them, convict them.
But if you don't buy enough songs, you get on the list where they sue you and accuse you publicly of possessing child pornography. And that is extortion.
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It's almost as if he was exaggerating the point by using a simile! The nerve of some people.
It's pretty obvious you need to go to Simile School.
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Just off the top of my head...
RIM and Verizon release the Storm as an answer to the iPhone. It sucked horribly, three generations of horrible in comparison.
Moto and Verizon come along a shakes the entire industry with the Droid.
Samsung joins the party with the Galaxy, HTC with the Incredible and EVO. Moto, HTC and Sammy continue to iterate better performing products.
Meanwhile RIM tries to answer this with the Torch in the same epic manner of fail as the Storm.
Moto, Sammy, HTC, LG, hell even Huawei and Sanyo are iterating better performing product than RIM. Sanyo, seriously.
How can you not hate them?
I don't know about you but I'm done hoping something will happen when every bit of news from them it is just more monkeys and footballs every single time.