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Ugandan Seeks To Build Backyard Space Shuttle

An anonymous reader writes "Who says that only big, militaristic states are capable of manned space flight? The BBC reports on an attempt by Chris Nsamba to build what he hopes would be the first crewed spacecraft designed and built in Africa. Not that Nsamba, the Ugandan founder of the self-styled African Space Research Program, doesn't have any good role models. NASA's first African American flight director, Kwatsi Alibaruho, traces his roots to Uganda." Hopefully the press will help Nsamba's cause. I sincerely hope he makes it into space one day.

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  1. simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A lack of local facilities is hampering the project and I asked Chris Nsamba how he plans to simulate zero gravity, for example, in Kampala.

    "Easy" he said. "I've got a jet engine on order so I'm planning to build a tunnel, put the engine at one end and when I throw a guy in he'll float in a similar way to how he would in space."

    1. Re:simulating zero gravity by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      "in a similar way," yeah, similar in that they're both dead now.

    2. Re:simulating zero gravity by thehickcoder · · Score: 1

      and he will cook in a similar way to how he would on re-entry without a heat shield.

    3. Re:simulating zero gravity by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Sounds like he's building something like a "skydiving tunnel" but that's not exactly a zero-G simulator...

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    4. Re:simulating zero gravity by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      I was assuming the engine will be above/after the "skydiving area" with a grate to keep people out, and it would draw in fresh air from outside. That could work. But it's still not a zero-G simulator, it's a falling at terminal velocity simulator.

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    5. Re:simulating zero gravity by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 1

      But it's still not a zero-G simulator, it's a falling at terminal velocity simulator.

      Nonsense! It just means the Ugandans will be prepared for those windy days on the ISS.

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    6. Re:simulating zero gravity by LateArthurDent · · Score: 2

      Sounds like he's building something like a "skydiving tunnel" but that's not exactly a zero-G simulator...

      Yeah. As any skydiver will tell you, what we call "free fall" is not the same physicists call free fall. We're definitely not at zero-g (we don't feel like we're falling, just like there's a lot of wind), and we most certainly don't move in the same way astronauts would move at zero-g. It's more akin to how a plane flies...you change your body position in relation to the relative wind, and that causes the wind to turn / move you. That training wouldn't help at all.

    7. Re:simulating zero gravity by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      It's actually not difficult to generate 'zero-G' environment. Built a tall tower, and dig a deep vertical tunnel underneath it. Install an elevator, that can go up, then fly down in a free fall but at some point engage engines to come to a smooth stop. If the tower and the tunnel are very tall/deep, you can have a few seconds of 'zero-G' happening. Don't know how useful that is, but it can be done without jet engines.

    8. Re:simulating zero gravity by Nirvelli · · Score: 0

      But there's no wind inside that airplane.

    9. Re:simulating zero gravity by a_nonamiss · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. Completely different. Not even similar. What he's talking about is a wind tunnel that's turned up on its side, so that it's blowing upward rather than sideways. This way, people "float" around. It's nothing like a zero-G simulator. It's a skydiving simulator. NASA's vomit comet actually takes people up in in the body of a jet, and then goes into a calculated free-fall for a few seconds so that the plane, the pocket of air inside the plane and the people inside are all falling at the same rate, opposite the acceleration of gravity. This is what happens when a spacecraft is in orbit around Earth, except they can fall almost indefinitely because they fall at the same rate as the curvature of the earth.

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    10. Re:simulating zero gravity by tibit · · Score: 1

      Assuming they're getting a turbofan: You can always direct the turbine exhaust elsewhere so that it doesn't mix with the fan air. Fan air can go through a heat exchanger if you really need to cool it down, I don't think it'd be necessary.

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    11. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop being so f*~@ing stupid in your eagerness to damn. It is not, "completely different" and there are similarities. Maybe a banana is 'completely' different, or a pro forma invoice, or hot larva emerging beneath the ocean or an aardvark playing backgammon - but a wind tunnel used to simulate terminal velocity - allowing individuals to 'float' in the air - and an aircraft flying a parabola to simulate zero g - allowing individuals to apparently 'float' in the air - are not 'completely' different. There are some similarities. In fact, in the grand scale of things, taking a large chunk of what I have seen and experienced of the world, they have quite a lot in common.

      That's not to say that there aren't some very important differences.

    12. Re:simulating zero gravity by GooberToo · · Score: 0

      Yes because a polite post pointing out that someone didn't maintain context and/or comprehend what they said is SOOOO entirely trollish.

      Holy shit slashdot is dead.

    13. Re:simulating zero gravity by superdave80 · · Score: 1

      EXACTLY? You might want to brush up on the definition of that word. Or actually look at the link that you posted.

    14. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maintain fucking context your fucking idiot.

      Holy shit you all are complete fucking idiots. CONTEXT IS WHAT I FUCKING QUOTED! Its not fucking hard. Holy shit you guys are completely fucking stupid. You want to read what you WANT TO SEE, not what is actually fucking there. You arrogant, dumb fucking idiot. Asking politely to pull your head out of your ass does nothing - but initiate more trolling from more dumb fucking idiots.

      Holy shit you guys are really fucking dumb. The context if really fucking simple. The context was FUCKING QUOTED. Holy shit you are fucking stupid. You can't fucking read and you blame ME for YOUR stupidity. Holy shit you are a dumb fucker.

      Slashdot is dead.

      Slashdot - news and discourse for complete fucking idiots!

      I'm done. I can not stand what /. has turned into. Home of the dumb fucking idiot who thinks they are entitled to everything, having never earned anything, and generally with a below average IQ who think they are really fucking smart because they found a website they, themselves, helped completely fucking ruin.

      Disgusting.

    15. Re:simulating zero gravity by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      But there is gravity inside the air plane.

    16. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got such a hilarious mental pictures of you right now. But anyway. You seem eternally frustrated that the entire world is not, in fact, you. This somewhat disregards the fact that if everyone in the world were, in fact, you, then we'd all be dead within a single generation. Hurr durr, 'murka, fuck yeah etc.

    17. Re:simulating zero gravity by kanguro · · Score: 0

      All of that must be in a vacuum (or very thin atmosphere) to work as intended.

    18. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why are you replying to yourself?

    19. Re:simulating zero gravity by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily, if the elevator is used, then it can be accelerated downwards beyond normal free fall by motors and the air friction would be overcome really easy.

    20. Re:simulating zero gravity by rednip · · Score: 1

      No, that's the vomit comet, it has a two jet engines but uses a parabolic flight path to achieve free fall. I believe that what the guy was describing is more like Indoor skydiving.

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    21. Re:simulating zero gravity by rednip · · Score: 1

      It'd bee a lot cheaper just to use a carnival ride, there are plenty of them that put people at zero g's. Heck, it might even be cheaper just to go to an amusement park. When there one could also use the Gravitron to get some heavy g-force experience.

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    22. Re:simulating zero gravity by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. There will always be someone who will do as you described.

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    23. Re:simulating zero gravity by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the temperature rise of the fan air is typically 80 to 100 degrees, hot enough to cook your meat. these africans scare me with their talk of "throwing in a guy", and they are NOT going to be able to make anything with the precision needed to reach space. will not have the aerodymanics to not be ripped apart, will not have precise dynamic control of engine thrust direction, or even control of center-of-mass. different league than model rocketry! heck even a medium range missile is an extraordinarily demanding scientific and engineering achievement.

    24. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Forgot to switch to an alt?

    25. Re:simulating zero gravity by The+Creator · · Score: 1

      But there is gravity inside the air plane.

      Not very much, no.

      Theory of relativity

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    26. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was replying to the mods who modded him "troll". The problem was he said, "Please learn to maintain context and comprehend what you read", when he was the one who wasn't maintaining context or comprehending what was written.

    27. Re:simulating zero gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you explain why this proposed vertical wind tunnel is exactly the same as the Vomit Comet?

      A vertical wind tunnel pushes lots of air up to counter the force of gravity, at least that is the plan in this case.

      The Vomit Comet goes very high, then starts to accelerate downwards at a rate of 9.8 m/s to effectively remove the force of gravity inside the plane for a short while.

      The two are really quite different, consider that none of the intelligent people here have come to back you up, but several have pointed out your error.

      However, feel free to explain why you are right and others are wrong.

    28. Re:simulating zero gravity by _0xd0ad · · Score: 1

      Context, you fail it. Comprehension, you fail it too.

      Context is everything: in a "falling at terminal velocity simulator", you are falling through air. In a zero-gravity simulator, you are not, because the air immediately surrounding you is moving at the same speed as yourself. That's the context. Comprehend?

    29. Re:simulating zero gravity by tibit · · Score: 1

      I've seen a jig just like they propose where fan air goes through a bunch of nozzles where it's mixing with external air, sort of like Dyson's "air multiplier" fan. No need for any cooling -- they planned on having some, but it worked well enough that they removed the heat exchanger. The temp rise was 25C. Toasty, but bearable.

      As for rocketry: the first thing is to do is to model the heck out of everything, all the way to the test beds. That means hardware-in-the-loop test beds, software-in-for-hardware stand-ins where you verify that your behavioral model of actuators and engine matches the real thing, etc. They only need one guy who understands that, others can be pretty much organized grunts to do engineering. As long as they'll gain understanding over time, it'll be OK. There needs to be one person who read and understand Feynman, so to speak :)

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    30. Re:simulating zero gravity by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      sure, they can do all that...and make a wonderful rocket that goes to a few miles altitude. It takes the resources of a nation or billionaire or equivalent corporate wealth to go beyond that.

    31. Re:simulating zero gravity by tibit · · Score: 1

      As long as they can make that rocket affordably, they can just keep shooting it up till all the bugs get worked out. As to how many resources it takes: if they get labor comparably for "free", who knows -- they may just pull it off. I wish them well. I do worry that they're a cargo cult bunch at this point, like another reader aptly noted. Of course experience plays a big role: good luck in finding in Africa people that SpaceX could "snatch" from closing-up NASA-related programs. At lest those guys do some useful work, rather than, say, emigrating and helping out a potential adversary...

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    32. Re:simulating zero gravity by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand, to go above a certain altitude you will need hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tool and die, testing gear. and advanced materials. You will NOT be using recycled steel or aluminum, hand welds, and a fifty year old milling machine snatched off ebay. The needed balance, precision, strength will not be there.

    33. Re:simulating zero gravity by tibit · · Score: 1

      Not hundreds of millions of dollars worth: SpaceX pulled off entire Falcon 1 -- avionics, two new engines, tanks, tooling, testing, launch complex, fuel, hauling by the sea for a couple hundred mil. I don't think they were using very advanced materials either. Of course you can't exactly make pressure tanks designed with factor of safety (F.S.) 1.5 using materials of unknown provenance. But they may well design it first just so that it flies its own weight, with 0 effective payload. You increase factors of safety, get it flying, and then decrease them as you learn what's important and what isn't. I'm pretty sure they can learn from other's mistakes -- for example, if someone asked me how to make tanks for a new rocket, I'd say: do what SpaceX did -- stir welding. The tooling for that can be probably had for a tens of thousands if you are in an area with cheap supply of "junk". You can always do crack inspection for any plates you want to reuse.

      As for fifty year old mills of eBay: of course you have to do a full stripdown and refurb, add digital readouts, possibly NC drives, but that's what you always do if you want a nice machine out of a used one. The cast iron body is probably better when aged for 50 years :) The main driver in make-vs-buy is often labor cost. Where labor is almost free, you can make a lot of cool stuff affordably.

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  2. why does remind me of "Free Willzyx" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. What he needs is... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    an adorable sidekick, like a bonobo or a kitten or something.

    Then he can easily get the popularity and funding to make this happen.

  4. Backyard Space Shuttle.... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Funny

    These guys already beat him to it...

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    1. Re:Backyard Space Shuttle.... by lennier1 · · Score: 1

      Calling one of those turds a "car" was mighty generous of them.

    2. Re:Backyard Space Shuttle.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets be fair, even with the immense combined engineering talents of James May and Richard Hammond, they couldn't quite get into orbit. Or space, for that matter. Still, did it at least once...

    3. Re:Backyard Space Shuttle.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Due to your contaminating my computer with the media at that link, I say you've incurred damages to my computer of no less than 1,500 internets. Please, PLEASE have consideration for others who do not enjoy crap programming.

      Thank you.

    4. Re:Backyard Space Shuttle.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow "murdering gay people based on bronze age ideas" and "having a successful space program" doesn't really go together.

  5. CmdrTaco's new job! by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Funny

    Test pilot!

  6. I do. by DarthVain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have no doubt they have the ability to make a "spacecraft".

    Actually getting that in to space, particularly with squishy meat bags on board that don't want to go "pop", is another story.

    1. Re:I do. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be a meat popsicle?

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    2. Re:I do. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bono was on tv this morning asking people to save their old rubber bands for the propulsion system.

    3. Re:I do. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Heh.

      Police: Are you classified as human?
      Korben Dallas: Negative, I am a meat popsicle.

    4. Re:I do. by DarthVain · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised he doesn't power the whole thing by himself by all the hot air he produces...

    5. Re:I do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be the most egological engine in the world!

    6. Re:I do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA.

      That craft in the picture with the guys working on it IS NOT a space craft. It says in the article that they are building up to space flight by building the first aircraft to be designed and built wholly in Africa.

      I do hope they make it eventually but I doubt they'll make it in 15 years let alone 4-6 years!

    7. Re:I do. by hawk · · Score: 1

      There's also the "backyard" problem.

      I don't know about your neighbors, but mine would be quite angry over launching even a Mercury class rocket from mine . .

      Also, it would be awfully rough on the tomatoes and berry bushes. The melons and corn, too, I suppose, but to he'll with them; they just sucked water and didn't produce.

      hawk

  7. Maybe someday... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    he'll make Captain.

    1. Re:Maybe someday... by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      Naw he's clearly Commander material.

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  8. Why the idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have touched the edge of space with lesser requirements than your typical huge roaring rockets.
    Can't a man dream anymore?
    Are you just automatically assuming that, because they are in Africa, they have no chance?

    Almost seems insulting.

    1. Re:Why the idle? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Are you just automatically assuming that, because they are in Africa, they have no chance?

      Almost seems insulting.

      If you looked at the pic of the "shuttle" in TFA you'd understand. I want the guy to succeed too, but...just look at that sorry thing...

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    2. Re:Why the idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't a shuttle. It's a proof of concept aircraft, aka, a glider, to show they can get the aerodynamics right.

      Looks absolutely like what it should look like, for what it is. People build backyard gliders all the time.

      You're just racist, and refuse to read.

    3. Re:Why the idle? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I know it is bad form to RTFA, you're only supposed to look at the pictures, but reading the captions at least seems acceptable.

      The pictured craft is not the space shuttle, it is an airplane being built for engineering practice.

      That said, WTF is with said picture being where the category picture is supposed to be? The Big Taco is gone for one day and they've already trashed the place. If they think this is a news site, I've got news for them; it's a dreadful one!

    4. Re:Why the idle? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I didn't finish RTFAing. If it's a glider then it looks sufficient.

      I'm racist you say? LOL

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    5. Re:Why the idle? by txghia58 · · Score: 1

      If you had read TFA you would have realized that the picture was of a standard airplane they are building to test their skills. They can't do any worse than this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078681/

    6. Re:Why the idle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good, I heard Andy Griffith needed a new role.

    7. Re:Why the idle? by Rei · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This whole endeavor seems a bit like a cargo cult to me. I see no signs of actual scientific rigour, and instead just a "let's build things that superficially look like things we've seen before" attitude.

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    8. Re:Why the idle? by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

      Exactly! There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. The air plane is not for going in to space. It's how they will sharpen their skills. Then they will move on. This clean slate method can work. I don't know how long it will take and at some point they will need to procure a lot of fuel and materials but the project is in its planning stage. Good luck to them.

    9. Re:Why the idle? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      It isn't a shuttle. It's a proof of concept aircraft, aka, a glider, to show they can get the aerodynamics right.

      Looks absolutely like what it should look like, for what it is. People build backyard gliders all the time.

      You're just racist, and refuse to read.

      Well, he isn't even close for aerodynamics. Look at that thing and look at your classic glider. See a few differences? If you're looking for something that might have some sort of horizontal movement if dropped off a B52, it's remotely possible that it would not drop straight out of the sky, but I doubt it.

      I also don't see the DC3 they're planning on using as the drop ship. Yeah, it's nice to dream, but those acetone fumes are a real bitch.

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    10. Re:Why the idle? by Teancum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While this may seem a bit far fetched, there is a precedent for a small but determined group of people who I think will eventually be able to get some vehicles above the Kármán line and perhaps even eventually into orbital spaceflight. While not mentioned in the article, these groups have been able to do some impressive things.

      The groups I'd compare to this effort include:

      • Armadillo Aerospace - a couple of Texans with big dreams and a comparatively small budget (compared to NASA)
      • Copenhagen Suborbitals - a bunch of crazy Danes who can't keep still. BTW, check out their submarine they built earlier... gives a whole new meaning to a ballistic missile submarine.
      • ARCA - The European continent holds more than a few nut groups. These are the Romanians who have really gone out on a limb to redefine what spaceflight even means.
      • Unreasonable Rocket - Just when you've seen it all, along comes a group who does even more with less. And these guys are from California.

      My point here is that a small group with limited finances can put stuff together if they care, provided that they make the effort, experiment a whole bunch, and keep working at the issues. The nice thing about all of the above groups is that they've been around for a few years, seem to be pretty stable, and have all flown vehicles of various kinds to prove they are legitimate. These are not groups with pretty power point presentations, but rather folks that have more than a couple smoking craters from experiments gone bad as well as some amazing success stories too. I expect every one of these groups to be above the Kármán line within this next decade, and quite possibly one or two of them could achieve orbit in the next 20-40 years if they stay persistent with their business plans.

      I certainly see nothing special about these groups, and it is entirely possible that a group in Uganda could join their ranks in their quest to build a cheap but quality rocket. There are some amazing resources to draw upon as well as a whole bunch of experience. Besides, Uganda doesn't have to deal with ITAR restrictions, so there may even be an advantage for them over some of their competitors.

    11. Re:Why the idle? by dokc · · Score: 1

      A cargo cult is a religious practice that has appeared in many traditional pre-industrial tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced cultures.

      This has nothing to do with cargo cult. They are not stupid, uneducated savages. They are people with vision and BIG ideas (something what our western culture is lacking in the last couple of decades)

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    12. Re:Why the idle? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Are you just automatically assuming that, because they are in Africa, they have no chance?

      Sir, you are a mind reader! How do you do it?

  9. Spiritual sequel to by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

    I hope they do it and then years from now I can watch about it in movie form, it will be the spiritual sequel to the movie Cool Runnings.

    1. Re:Spiritual sequel to by jason.sweet · · Score: 1

      Sanka... you dead?
      Ya, mon.

    2. Re:Spiritual sequel to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Lets hope it doesn't end in a malfunction and crash like in Cool Runnings. Hard to spin a happy ending out of a crater.

    3. Re:Spiritual sequel to by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      ...crashed, creating a huge crater. Initially, everyone was very sad... but then, when the children of the lost astronauts were dedicating a monument to their parents, they found gold deposit in the crater!

      Then, in the sequel.... turns out the gold was really pyrite, and no one had the heart to tell the kids. So they got a free jet trip home, and grew up to make flimsy, unspaceworthy craft - just like their parents. Just so heart warming. And there's a really cute dog involved.

      [curtain draws to a close to an inspiring crescendo of melodic log-drumming]

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    4. Re:Spiritual sequel to by MattGWU · · Score: 1

      Sanka last seen observing local high school science class Egg Drop day with great interest.

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    5. Re:Spiritual sequel to by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      ... years from now I can watch about it in movie form...

      You already can!

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  10. Cardboard boxes by BoogeyOfTheMan · · Score: 1

    When I was a kid, I used to build shuttles in my living room all the time.

  11. Black NASA by Jodka · · Score: 0

    On a related subject, don't miss the Black NASA documentary.

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  12. South Park by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who else thought of the Mexicans in Free Willzyx? $200 for a trip to the moon? No problem.

  13. Background in astronomy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is NOT adequate to teach "the dangers of re-entry".

    I'd bet that they won't even get off the ground, much less into space, and it's a good thing too because there is NO way their project would survive re-entry.

    And yes, I understand that the photograph is a plane, not a space-ship. They haven't started building the space-ship.

  14. To quote a Turkish Footbal team director in his by unity100 · · Score: 0

    half-assed, self-taught english :

    "Everything is something happened" Fatih Terim, Technical Director

    (he is trying to say better to have any result than nothing at all).

    funny tho it is, this guy have directed various turkish premiere teams, turkish national teams, ac fiorentina, ac milan

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatih_Terim

    he insisted in talking his half assed self-taught english despite everyone told him to use his assigned translator. ill leave you with another quote from his splendidly horizon-widening english :

    "I want to look front - i dont want to look back"

    (he means to say he wants to concentrate on matches are to come, rather than dwelling on results of past matches).

    1. Re:To quote a Turkish Footbal team director in his by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The bad part is I understood exactly what he was talking about.

  15. Congo's program is a bit further ahead. by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 1
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  16. Four to Six years by markg11cdn · · Score: 2

    I asked Chris how far away he thinks he is from his dream of sending a manned shuttle into orbit. "Let me tell you", he replied, "building a space shuttle is a big job." He thinks he'll have it done in four to six years.

    Maybe they'll beat NASA back to space?

    1. Re:Four to Six years by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I think two kids, a wagon and a few bottle rockets could beat NASA back to manned space flight.

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  17. Top Gear Top Tip: by milbournosphere · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      Although to be fair it did launch pretty well, which is impressive considering, well, its a Reliant Robin. I have no idea how they thought they could get it to land, though.

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    2. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by milbournosphere · · Score: 1

      I know! I was watching with bated breath, and was sad to hear that they were done in by one release mechanism. Oh well, it was an amazing episode regardless, and a valiant effort, despite the horrible aerodynamic qualities of the Robin.

    3. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by name_already_taken · · Score: 2

      Had it not failed to separate from the large fuel tank, then they might have had a chance.

      The RC Reliant glider model, while not exactly making a smooth landing, wasn't going very fast when it hit the ground.

      After the perfect separation of the SRBs you might suspect that it was rigged to fail, for television.

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    4. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by tibit · · Score: 1

      I was suspicious, too, of the big fireball when it hit the ground. What the heck burned so violently? It should have had no fuel of any kind left at that stage? Or were there boosters that would activate once the tank had separated?

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    5. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by milbournosphere · · Score: 1

      Good point, but as a viewer, I would've been much more satisfied had they succeeded. I know that Top Gear often tweaks reality on their shows, but the only entertainment value gained (that I can make out) by blowing the thing up would be the fireball. My guess is that it would've been much less work (and money) and much more climactic to just let the thing succeed.

    6. Re:Top Gear Top Tip: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was watching with bated breath

      Bated! He said bated, not baited! (Bursts into tears of happiness)

  18. He'll plow a field and plant food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    long before he ever thinks about a space shuttle being built in Africa.

    This Ugandan must be some sort of prominent well-fed individual, because 95% of all the other Africans are thinking about food because they are the ones that couldn't migrate to the former Rhodesia region Zimbabwe where the Afrikaaners created farming communities.

    1. Re:He'll plow a field and plant food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually those Zimbabweans are thinking about food yet again since Robert Mogabe's government forcefully removed all those farmers and mobs destroyed the farms.

  19. Getting it into space is one thing.... by SwedishChef · · Score: 2

    and getting it back safely to Earth is another. I wish 'em luck.

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    1. Re:Getting it into space is one thing.... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Yeah a reusable shuttle as a first step seems like an unnecessarily massive and risky undertaking...a rocket w/ Apollo-style return module would be a better idea.

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    2. Re:Getting it into space is one thing.... by Locutus · · Score: 1

      but that doesn't sound as good when you get the email asking for donations and reserve your spot when it's flying. Sounds like a scam to me and IMO it's not really news if all they are doing is hoping to do this, that, and the other thing. Lots of people hope to do things which never happen but the cardboard mock-ups look fun.

      LoB

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    3. Re:Getting it into space is one thing.... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah a reusable shuttle as a first step seems like an unnecessarily massive and risky undertaking...a rocket w/ Apollo-style return module would be a better idea.

      Looking up some thing in the Estes model rocketry catalog would be a better one.

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  20. Who says? by andresambrois · · Score: 1

    Who says that only big, militaristic states are capable of manned space flight?

    Gravity. That's who.

  21. Dear Sirs by bill-kellerman · · Score: 5, Funny

    FROM: Mr. Chris Nsamba

    TO: Dear Sirs

    Madam:

                    I have been requested by the African Space Research Programme to contact you for assistance in resolving a matter. The Programme has recently finalized a large number of contracts for space exploration, in time producing moneys equalling US$40,000,000. However, because of certain regulations of the Ugandan Government, it is unable to move these funds to another region.

                    You assistance is requested as a non-Ugandan citizen in moving these funds out of Uganda. If the funds can be transferred to your name, in your United States account, then you can forward the funds as directed by the African Space Research Programme. In exchange for your accomodating services, you will to retain 10%, or US$4 million of this amount.

                    Please call me at your earliest convenience. Time is of the essence in this matter; very quickly the Ugandan Government will realize that the Programme will be maintaining this amount on deposit, and attempt to levy certain depository taxes on it.

    Yours truly, etc. and so forth.

    Chris Nsamba

    1. Re:Dear Sirs by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      lol

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    2. Re:Dear Sirs by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I can help you with that. Send me the money and I'll make sure it gets transfered properly.

    3. Re:Dear Sirs by tibit · · Score: 1

      For that kind of money dear sire, you can get half a payload on Falcon 9, and have plenty leftover for kickbacks :)

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    4. Re:Dear Sirs by Locutus · · Score: 1

      BINGO!

      LoB

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    5. Re:Dear Sirs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can help you with that. Send me the money and I'll make sure it gets transfered properly.

      Very well. Please transfer the $1000 bank fee and I'll make the transfer. I'll fully refund you as soon as I've unblocked the money at the bank.

  22. Size & militarism by leandrod · · Score: 1

    Who says Uganda is small & peaceful?

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  23. Haven't I seen this before? by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 2

    I can't help but feel this will end up something like Zambia's space programme from the 60's.

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  24. Good luck, but learn from the big guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they aren't seriously considering the shuttle design. It was an expensive lesson for a big country. 1. The vehicle was below the boosters, and easily damaged. 2. The promise of quick turnaround with a reusable vehicle never materialized. 3. You need top notch pilots and/or very reliable computer systems to deadstick land every time.

    They should work their way up the ladder of rocketry (sounding rocket, space rocket, satellite, manned satellite). It's a proven path to success.

  25. It's a long way to space by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    They won't get there with paint brushes and sandpaper. Space is a long way. They've not even built a working rocket engine yet, and a small team of engineering students? and he thinks he can do it in 6 years? I'm wishing it was possible too but it isn't.

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    1. Re:It's a long way to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people don't know what they're doing.

      They're so ignorant of the problem that they don't even comprehend how difficult it is. Their proposal to use a wind tunnel to simulate zero g conditions indicates that a good high school student knows more physics than their principal researcher.

    2. Re:It's a long way to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't get there with paint brushes and sandpaper. Space is a long way. They've not even built a working rocket engine yet, and a small team of engineering students? and he thinks he can do it in 6 years?

      I'm wishing it was possible too but it isn't.

      Sure they can! With enough dynamite, anything can get into space.

    3. Re:It's a long way to space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, space is quite close.

      http://www.universetoday.com/25410/how-far-is-space/

      Which is not to diminish the difficulty of getting there - or more to the point, getting there, entering orbit and returning,

  26. "I sincerely hope he makes it into space one day." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope he makes it back ... alive.

  27. I heard... by Jawnn · · Score: 2

    That they've retained Billy Bob Thornton as a consultant.

  28. So that's where the Nigerian 419 money went! by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    They were covertly funding a space program!

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    1. Re:So that's where the Nigerian 419 money went! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Uganda... Nigeria... it's all the same, right?
      Just like the USA and Cuba. Can't tell the difference, right?
      Or a spanked monkey and yo mom. Ok that actually really is the same thing. :D

  29. Cargo cult? by ozbird · · Score: 1

    Build it, and they will come.

    1. Re:Cargo cult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That describes Space Nuttery no matter what country you're in!

    2. Re:Cargo cult? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build it, and they will come.

      No, not really! Are you suggesting that this team of admittedly eccentric engineering students believe that the Space Shuttle is powered by... magic?

      Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick, and I frequently do, your comment comes across as pretty patronising and, well... just offensive.

  30. A Real Project for Real Teaching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A real project is a terrific way to enhance the teaching of engineering, both concepts and practical mechanics. It is the next step after the story-problem, that puts calculations into application formats.

    In addition, "insurmountable" barriers are the best incentives to innovate. Consider the "barriers" that the builders of the Paul Allen Spaceship One confronted, and devised solutions for, including a workable para-wing re-entry speed modulating system, in lieu of the ceramic heat-shielding tiles and surfing to hold shy of burn-up.

    Even if the Ugandan engineering students never get into space, for having done worked from math to hands-on application they willl have more engineering education than those math-centric 'engineers' who only imagine an idea, draw a concept, look up material and load limits and transfer-calculate them, then go to the machine-shop and say, "Make something like this. Change what you need to.", or ask "Can you make this so it will work for us?"

  31. This is a joke. by superdave80 · · Score: 1

    It's far from complete, there's still no engine...

    Bah! Details, details.

    he's been teaching them how to calculate the distance between planets for example

    Why? This thing will be lucky to not fall apart before it reaches the upper atmosphere, let alone travel to another planet.

    I asked Chris how he plans to simulate zero gravity: "Easy" he said. "I've got a jet engine on order so I'm planning to build a tunnel, put the engine at one end and when I throw a guy in he'll float in a similar way to how he would in space."

    Except for the small fact that you have high velocity air screaming at you and every small movement will change your attitude, direction, etc. due to that wind. And this is the guy in charge.

    1. Re:This is a joke. by ZigMonty · · Score: 1

      Wow... this guy is going to get people killed...

    2. Re:This is a joke. by Bucky24 · · Score: 1

      I think that was a pre-determined outcome. What remains to be seen is if they will actually make it into space before they are killed.

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    3. Re:This is a joke. by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well, if he could do it, he'd be building ICBM's for ugandan government.

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  32. Give the guy a chance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has little money. They don't have the experience to complete the task. It's my guess that they will not succeed but I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

    But they are giving it a go. Instead of insulting the man why doesn't someone on Slashdot with some basic skills or knowledge of the subject offer to lend a helping hand. Maybe some of the amateur rocket scientist could take their knowledge and understanding and help. Perhaps there could be some mutually beneficial outcome.

    I have got more sympathy for this man than any of the fat slobs who sit pontificating about the failings of the project or taking easy pot shots.

  33. "I sincerely hope he makes it into space one day." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? Space is even more hostile than Uganda.

  34. Hello, Cargo Cult Science by SuperBanana · · Score: 1

    Constructing an imitation of an existing craft (Scaled Composites): check

    No engineering, or even basic science, experience: check

    No budget: check

    No materials: check

    Friends of the guy pretending to do work for the reporter: check

    It's just a typical African publicity prank/scam, just more ambitious in premise than usual.

  35. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's nice to know that someone still has the guts to try something daring rather than hide behind pathetic excuses in this day and age.

  36. Will it be called 'The glory of Africa'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I seeing things, or is the African space
    shuttle being built in someone's backyard,
    Powered by a jet engine, and made of wood?

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  38. Oh crap. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    This is just scary" I asked Chris how he plans to simulate zero gravity, for example, in Kampala.
    "Easy" he said. "I've got a jet engine on order so I'm planning to build a tunnel, put the engine at one end and when I throw a guy in he'll float in a similar way to how he would in space.""

    And come out well done .
    Hey if they where trying to launch a satilltite that would be one thing. Build a manned spacecraft like Mercury, maybe. A shuttle? They are out of their minds.

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  39. Who launched Captain Alex? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

    As long as he's better at flying than his countrymen are at special effects....

  40. OTRAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lutz Kayser and the OTRAG corporation already did this in Zaire (now Dem. Republic of Congo) in 1977.

    Wikipedia link --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRAG

    It may not have been a "shuttle", per se, but the project proved without a doubt that advanced orbital capability is within the technical reach of individual countries on the African continent. The construction of a facility on par with a modern vehicle production plant could churn out ten-tonne-to-orbit capability in a couple of months; the materials and expertise needed would equal a lot full of BMWs (for example), which have been built near Pretoria since 1968.

  41. Getting things done by Murfyn · · Score: 1

    Building things can be difficult. At least it is for me. My variable power source I built out of a kit does work. The scanner I tried to build from parts never did work. "The Boy Who Harnessed The Wind" http://williamkamkwamba.typepad.com/williamkamkwamba/book.html is an excellent account of What Can Happen If You Try. This attempted shuttle is just sad. They could build a nice glider with what they have to work with, perhaps. A glider would be a fine thing to have built.

  42. The emperor has no clothes on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One has to say it once in a while: The emperor is naked.

    And I don't mean it in reference to the poor sods who are building a future child's playground prop in their back yard. The unfortunate fact of the matter is that when one's IQ is below a certain level, one simply does not have the insight so see how stupid you are yourself.

    I am of course referring to the reporter and others who patronizingly exclaim how wonderful and inspiring this attempt is, and also warn off any laughing at from the outset.

  43. Lets hope he names it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Salvage1.

    Hopefully theres someone else here who knows what im talking about :)

    K