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Atari C&Ds Emulators, Site About Asteroids

An anonymous reader writes "Atari Inc. has launched another round of cease-and-desist letters targeted at what remains of its fan community. Having threatened homebrewers for the Atari 2600 and 8-bit systems, as well as emulator authors for mobile platforms like Android, they're now upping the ante by menacing Atari emulator authors on the Dreamcast and sites with Asteroids in the name (though in fairness, that site apparently once hosted a version of the Asteroids game). The working theory is that the company is planning a big push into the mobile market, and is trying to eliminate everything it believes could threaten its latest attempts at reviving the brand name. However, the emulators in question appear to have no copyrighted content from Atari, so it's unclear what exactly Atari believes the infringing material to be."

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  1. Infringing material... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    However, the emulators in question appear to have no copyrighted content from Atari, so it's unclear what exactly Atari believes the infringing material to be

    Their trademark.

    1. Re:Infringing material... by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      That's one thing I guess. Even so I could care less about this. If what's left of atari wants to slice it's own throat that's their business. Stupid is as stupid does and suing the few remaining fans they have ranks right up there. That's bean counters for ya.

    2. Re:Infringing material... by _0xd0ad · · Score: 2

      They obviously believe that an "Atari emulator" that emulates, as closely as possible, an actual Atari could feasibly be confused with an actual Atari product. And I have to admit, they have a point.

      Personally I think emulators should be legal, but I have no idea how a lawyer would argue this in court. Probably some sort of disclaimer stating very clearly that it is not associated with or endorsed by Atari would be enough to cover their legal behinds, but even then I'm sure Atari would try to challenge it.

    3. Re:Infringing material... by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except they are spamming DMCA notices -- the C standing for Copyright -- and all of the claims made in the notices are about copyright infringement. I hope someone nails Atari to the wall for this bullshit.

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    4. Re:Infringing material... by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally I think emulators should be legal, but I have no idea how a lawyer would argue this in court

      The same way the after-market industry argued for car parts. Saying the oil filter is for a Ford V8 is descriptive, not infringement.

    5. Re:Infringing material... by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 2

      Infogrames has forever tainted the Atari brand to the point that it is almost worthless. They've done more damage than a hundred Tramiels. Their shareholders should be pissed. What an ignominious waste of an incredible legacy.

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    6. Re:Infringing material... by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a copy of the initial post of the DCemu thread linked in the summary:

      I received this cease and desist letter from Atari, are they completely dumb, did you guys get one? Should we be concerned? As far as I know, its still legal to distribute emulators unless some new law passed? and of all the sites, they are referring to my old ass DCEmu archive.

      "Atari, Inc.
      417 5th Avenue
      New York, NY 10016-2204

      Tel: 212-726-6500
      Fax: 212-726-4214
      E-mail: us.legal@atari.com

      August 30, 2011

      Re: seanbajuice.com

      Dear Domain Admin:

      I am writing on behalf of Atari, Inc./Atari Interactive, Inc. (“Atari”) to demand that you immediately and permanently cease and desist from the infringing activities described below and comply with the other demands set forth in this letter.

      Atari is a global producer, publisher and distributor of interactive entertainment software for all market segments and all interactive game platforms. Atari is the exclusive owner of intellectual property rights, including copyrights and trademarks, in numerous interactive entertainment software products, including those listed below, and vigilantly protects its rights.

      Based on available information, Atari has a good faith belief that the url(s):

      http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/dcemu-atari800.htm
      http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/dcemu-DC7800.htm
      http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/dcemu-dcs2600.htm
      http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/dcemu-lynx.htm
      http://dcemu.seanbajuice.com/dcemu-stelladc.htm

      infringes its copyright and other intellectual property right by copying, reproducing and/or offering for distribution, display and/or download (including through links to other sites) unauthorized console emulation software and/or unauthorized copies of game products (software) protected by Atari’s copyright rights. Atari’s copyrighted works that have been infringed include:

      Atari 800; Atari 2600; Atari 7800; Atari Lynx

      The infringing material or the material that is the subject of infringing activities (collectively referred to as “Infringing Material”) is listed and/or identified by console and game-related titles or variations thereof, console and game-related descriptions, or images of console and game-related artwork.

      The Infringing Material is in violation of Atari’s exclusive rights under the United States Copyright Act. It therefore constitutes copyright infringement in violation of 17 U.S.C. 501.

      Pursuant to the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”), which is codified at 17 USC 512, Atari demands that you 1) expeditiously remove or disable access to the Infringing Material; and 2) take steps to prevent further infringement of Atari’s intellectual property rights at the above referenced URL(s).

      I have a good faith belief that use of the copyrighted materials described herein is not authorized by Atari, its agent, or the law. The information in this notification is accurate. Under penalty of perjury, I affirm I am authorized to act on behalf of Atari whose exclusive copyright rights I believe to be infringed as described herein.

      This notice is not intended to be a complete statement of the facts or law in this matter. Nor is it intended to be a complete statement of Atari's positions, rights or remedies, legal or equitable, all of which are specifically reserved.

      If you have any questions, please contact me by phone 212-726-6500 or email at us.legal@atari.com.

      Thank you.

      Regards,

      Kristen Keller,
      SVP & General Counsel"

      http://pastebin.com/kmkN7zCM

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    7. Re:Infringing material... by tibit · · Score: 2

      Using a trademark for identification purposes is kosher IIRC.

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    8. Re:Infringing material... by WillyWanker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bullshit. It's more legalized extortion. They know just the threat of a length and expensive lawsuit is enough to get these small operations to shut down, even when Atari knows damned well they don't have a case. Laws and rights don't mean shit if you can't afford to defend them. Welcome to America.

    9. Re:Infringing material... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Their trademark

      Exactly. If they don't protect the name "Atari" from being used by these sites, there's a chance that someone under the age of 30 might actually learn what "Atari" is.

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    10. Re:Infringing material... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that the BIOS of a machine made in 1975 can be DMCAed shows us why China and India is gonna kick our ass. Can you believe such insanity? our entire industry is building upon the shoulders of the giants that came before but thanks to Valenti (may he rot in hell) and his endless copyrights combined with DMCA garbage the west is pretty much dead with regards to innovation.

      One simply can no longer build on the ideas of the past without a giant minefield of patents and copyrights controlled by absolute douchebags. I should know because I had a nice little idea to bring back the Shareware discs of old. It would have been "DOSBox...in a box" where the old Shareware games could be loaded and played like the old days of pre Win9x. but trying to deal with the douchebags i quickly found that one can't even offer the shareware titles anymore because the pigs that currently hold the rights all want iMoney for them, even if they have NO PRODUCTS being offered or even any hope of porting those titles in the future. We ain't talking Wolf3D here, we are talking about all the funky and weird crap that used to be on those "300 games for $5!" discs.

      I found out if I want to say "Fuck America!" I can have the whole thing made in China no problem, but in the USA? the minefiled makes it more expensive than the highest AAA games, all thanks to endless copyrights and douchebaggery. is it any wonder the USA is in the shitter?

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    11. Re:Infringing material... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      I like how the base unit of damage to a company name is the "Tramiel". How much face has Sony lost in the past five years, would you say? 2-3 kiloTramiels?

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    12. Re:Infringing material... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      No dufus my proposal was to offer them a percentage of ALL sales with no bullshit. The plan was a whole 3% for us, 5% for the DOSBox guys as a thank you, and the rest given to the authors after BOM which would have been quite cheap so you are talking more than 80% split between them. I'd also remind that we are talking about shareware titles here that were originally DESIGNED TO BE GIVEN AWAY to build interest in the full apps. I proposed a larger cut for those that gave full games but even if all they offered was the original shareware they would have been given a cut AND a link to any site they wanted to sell other merch AND full credit for something THEY ARE MAKING ZERO PROFITS ON right now.

      Instead what I saw was the same douchebaggery over and over. they'd say "let me get back to you" followed by them finding out what the highest selling app on the iShiny was and then demanding 30% more than that because hey their shit don't stink, right? never mind we are talking about ZERO upfront costs to them, ZERO transfer of rights to me, and ZERO work involved with promotion or anything else from them. hell some of them had the brass balls to demand that we sign our rights over to them so they could do whatever they wanted with OUR work while giving us nothing in return but the right to load a 25 year old piece of shareware on a stick!

      so now I'm looking at doing it in China where guess what? I won't have to pay them shit and can just sell it on a ton of places like chinamart. yet again the west loses because of greedy MBAs, why am I not surprised?

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    13. Re:Infringing material... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      You're right they can sell it for anything they want and I can just have it made in China where they don't play their little reindeer games, get the picture now Sparky? ALL YOU ARE DOING is taking work away from Americans, that's it, that's all. I can build it in China without paying them dick, and don't forget we are talking code they have ALREADY GIVEN AWAY on literally hundreds of thousands of discs, as that was the whole damned point of shareware.

      So I'll just have it made in China, some Chinese guys can take home their checks to their families, and Americans can go line up for a welfare check, cool with you? Because that is what is gonna happen. I wanted it made here but greedy MBA douchebags wanted more than a triple AAA title for 25 year old shit. That is their right, as is mine to have it made in a country with sane IP laws. Works out great for everyone except those stupid American peasants, don't it? As long as there is a single place that doesn't play your reindeer games YOU HAVE TO COMPETE or someone else gets the business. So I'll just join the likes of GE and hundreds of other companies and offshore it, puts me in some great company. meanwhile Americans lose more work, don't get shit, again shock shock greedy MBA refuse to accept anything but iMoney and fuck American workers, why am I not surprised?

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  2. Re:HAHAHAHAHA by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lots of people would. For a laugh or nostalgia. Would they pay for the privilege? I doubt it.

  3. Resurrection failures by diodeus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    8-bit Atari is to Atari is like Duke Nukem is to Duke Nukem Forever.

  4. Really Atari? by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    Going after 2600 emulators for Dreamcast?

    Going after emulators for Android is like the RIAA going after bit torrents. Going after emulators for Dreamcast is like the RIAA going after bootleg Edison cylinders.

    (Not that I don't have emulators for the 2600 and NES for my Dreamcast--I do--but still. The phrase "bigger fish to fry" comes to mind.)

  5. Re:Wait .. Atari's still around? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

    In name only. I believe the company that bought the name was known as Infogrames, but acquired the Atari trademark and game library sometime in the early naughties.

    Back in the 90's I worked as an artist on a game for the original Atari in Milpitas, they folded over a decade ago.

  6. Re:Uhh, the games? by PhxBlue · · Score: 2

    ... it's obvious they don't want people playing Atari games ...

    Well, I for one am happy to oblige.

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  7. Ok, maybe they have something new up coming out by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2

    I grew up on Atari games, maybe they are planning a push into the mobile market. That'd be cool. But suing everyone who still remembers your name is not a good way to generate good will.

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  8. Re:Uhh, the games? by bonch · · Score: 2

    They're not legal if they're using Atari trademarks or linking to Atari ROMs, such as BIOS images.

  9. Re:Uhh, the games? by LocalH · · Score: 2

    The emulator authors are doing neither (unless you can find a trademark for a targeted machine outside of the dead "Atari 2600" mark). The 2600, which is a targeted machine, never had a BIOS. Try again.

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  10. Re:Uhh, the games? by DJHeRobotExVV · · Score: 2

    Your honor, the defense cites Sony v. Connectix: http://digital-law-online.info/cases/53PQ2D1705.htm

    Although the case in question pertains to whether or not Connectix as a whole were engaging in copyright infringement by way of having "intermediate copies" of the BIOS for the original Sony Playstation, I would submit that the following statement in Judge Canby's ruling on the case is pretty definitive regarding both the legality of emulators as well as the subject matter (trademarks) with regard to which Atari are sending out C&Ds, though it has not been tried in and of itself:

    "The intermediate copies made and used by Connectix during the course of its reverse engineering of the Sony BIOS were protected fair use, necessary to permit Connectix to make its non-infringing Virtual Game Station function with PlayStation games. Any other intermediate copies made by Connectix do not support injunctive relief, even if those copies were infringing. The district court also found that Sony is likely to prevail on its claim that Connectix’s sale of the Virtual Game Station program tarnishes the Sony PlayStation mark under 15 U.S.C. Section 1125. We reverse that ruling as well." [emphasis mine]

  11. Re:Wait .. Atari's still around? by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 2

    Atari passed through several hands between Time-Warner and Inforgrames. Before Warner, it was owned by it's founders (Nolan Bushnell, et al). After the North American video game crash, the Tramiels (Commodore's founders) purchased Atari's debt from Time-Warner in the mid-80s for next to nothing. After a reasonable run of actually producing compelling product (Atari ST/TT/Falcon line and the over-hyped and critically bugged Jaguar), they sold it to a disk drive manufacturer in the 90s, who in turn sold it to Hasbro and/or Mattel a few years later, and it eventually wound its way into the hands of Infogrames who ditched their worthless name, took on the Atari moniker, and have been trying their damnedest to ruin it ever since.

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