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Lenovo Claims Samsung Galaxy Tab Sold Just 20,000
An anonymous reader writes "Andrew Barrow, director of consumer products for Lenovo Western Europe, claims that the original Galaxy Tab only sold 20,000 out of one million shipped. He goes on to say Samsung was 'channel stuffing' in order to generate publicity and become known as a major Android tablet manufacturer."
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Sounds analogous to the common practice in the book-publishing industry of quoting "100,000 copies shipped" or whatever, which may or may not bear much relationship to how many books have been sold. In fact, some of the strange practices in book retailing, like publishers' willingness to give a credit to bookstores for unsold books without even having them returned, are in part aimed at making it easier to shovel a bunch of books down the distribution channels.
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Does anyone other than Samsung and Lenovo really care?
You can't be as or almost as expensive as the real thing (iPad) and *not* be the real thing. If they would sell the device at $200, it might have a chance. But for anywhere close to the price of an iPad, everybody is just going to buy the iPad, which is far more polished and comes with many more real tablet apps (not ported phone apps) and the app store.
If people can get more quality for the same price, they generally will. This is why Apple sells every single iPad it can produce, and knockoff products don't sell. Why by the knockoff when the real thing is around the same price?
Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?
Name the prior ones. Describe them. Were they decent multi-touch? Touch at all or just stylus? What kind of processor? What OS? What resolution & color depth screen? How thick? How heavy? Battery life? What was the price? How many apps were available?
Uh-huh, I thought so.
First? no.... First commercialy successful tablet? absolutely
That means there's 980,000 Galaxy tablets out there nobody wants.
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This is regarded as the best Android tablet device as well. Hello HP, you had the number two position in your hands, even YOU sold more than that before the fire sale.
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I'm thinking the Color Nook is about the best Android Tablet out there for the money.
The Samsung GTab is a very good tablet, with an alternative 7" size that many prefer to the ipad size. Certainly in the US the sales numbers must be far more than 20,000 given what I see on the forums, ebay, CL, etc. I find those Lenovo numbers highly suspect. There is a hugely active XDA community with folks from all over the globe contributing.
it's not a legal limbo, it's just apple delaying tactic. apple wants 'em samsung fabbed soc's to apple?
one size fits all? like shoes? at least there's variety, though most of those models haven't shipped worldwide.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Yes, this is still an Apple product, but I still have a Newton MessagePad. The Newton platform was released in the mid-80's and was somewhat of a failed experiment. I ain't no Apple fanboy, but I still think of the Newton as revolutionary, and some of the concepts used in its OS would make sense to take a look at these days, such as the handwriting recognition. But also, back in the 'early days' Microsoft did have a tablet device, that failed due to a combination of poor support and hardware limitations, similar to the Newton's demise. I see the success of the iPad as simply the first point in history where the hardware is powerful enough to compensate for poor development and code; couple this with better understanding of the hardware and better coding, and you have a device that finally works more than it fails. So what that there's no current true competitors? It's just a matter of time, we're just at the point where this technology is starting to really take off after a couple of previous aborted attempts. If the market requests tablet computing as the next 'big thing', we'll see more than just the Apple devices soon enough.
When MS released the Win Phone 7 they counted the retail sales, the devices setting on retail shelves, the devices in the retail channel, the devices on manufacturer's inventory shelves and, apparently, the devices being made at the time. All to make it appear that the WP7 was enjoying greater success than it actually was.
Of course, we are assuming that Lenovo is telling the truth which, along with ethics, seems to be scarce commodities in business these days.
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Don't kid yourself.
Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu. They've been making tablets for decades now. Most of them run Windows (either CE or X86), resistive touch or custom stylus.
They aren't sexy, but every 7-11 in the country (world?) has at least one for inventory control. People use them for work, not watching movies, so I guess they don't count.
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A far less expensive "clone" would have a shot, but currently Android tablets are not clones, they are 'alternatives'. ( not saying they are better or worse, just they are not the same and people seem to want Apples at this point )
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I find Lenovos numbers quite suspect. When the Toichpad only sold 1/10 as many shipped units, Best Buy went apoplectic and demanded to ship them all back but, you are trying to tell me that when Samsung does the same, Best Buy is all cool about it and not a peep? So, where are the galaxy tabs? Sitting in best Buy's warehouse? Yeah. Sure.
The soylentnews experiment has been a dismal failure.
I'm trying to work out the point of this mud slinging.
Don't burst AC-tard's bubble. In this case, the "Betamax" that he thinks is the iPad did in fact end up being the consumer's choice.
Saying Samsung isn't selling Android tablets doesn't have a positive effect on the popularity of Android devices. I think they are shooting themselves in the foot.
So even if it's the truth (and why would Lenovo libel Samsung?) it should be suppressed so as to not damage the reputation of your favorite platform ?
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Niche product is niche product.
I suppose you could call a Telxon a handheld computer too. But it's a niche product too.
So no, Fujitsu's tablets aren't general purpose enough to count.
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There is no way that Samsung sold only 20,000 of the original Galaxy Tab. There are more than that number sold in the UK alone.
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I had a Newton. The handwriting recognition was pretty darn good as I recall. You had to use a stylus, but hey, in the day, it was to beat the band.
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Consumer goods are a niche product.
Ever buy anything from Agilent?
No?
They sell a $7 billion a year in "niche" products.
Lots of consumer companies would love that sort of revenue.
Actually Lenovo did some tablet versions of its laptops. The X40 and X60. Pentium mobile based, 12" screen, windows xp.
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In contrast to their past history, Apple is not selling at a much higher margin over manufacturing costs (or they have lower costs) vs generic competitors.
This makes it very, very difficult to displace an iPad.
This is brilliantly done by Apple and a real problem for Android tablets: who is making any money ? Google is making a bit of money from the ads in the Google apps and the Android market, meanwhile the hardware vendors because of Apple's sharp margin on the iPad and because they don't control their platform are making nothing. It's a repeat of the PC market with Google playing Microsofts' role, only without the golden decade during the boom years. Amazon seems to be the only one who gets it: cut the tablet down as much as possible to make it cheaper, market to your existing customer base, create your own ecosystem with store etc. and tell Google "so long and thanks for all the fish." They'll be the first ones making serious money of off an Android tablet.
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Unfounded corprate trash talk. How is this news?
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>It's obviously calling early adopters idiots.
In a way, they are.
They're guaranteed to be getting beta-test products for the highest price anyone will ever pay.
For that, they get something that's a bigger version of the phone they paid too much for a few months before.
And very, very few of them get any sort of compensatory social or business boost from the image bump of having the latest and greatest. The only thing they all get is the tiny endorphin rush of buying something cool.
The mercantile world has conditioned hundreds of thousands of people to keep pushing that button.
Same here. I still have mine. Admittedly I don't use it these days. Handwriting recognition was never a big problem for me. I thought all the bitching about how poor it was back then was just a matter of people's expectations (with a lot of Apple haters, most of which probably never even used one) thrown in. Considering the hardware available back then, I think the Newton was quite amazing.
Thing is, the iPad's been out about - what, nearly 18 months now? I reckon if anyone was able to make and sell a similar tablet for $200, they'd have done so by now.
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that unless you commit to millions of units (a hell of a risk when nobody has been able to emulate Apple's success to date), it is not physically possible to manufacture a tablet for much less than US$300. By the time you add on the profit margin for distributors and retailers - particularly bricks & mortar retailers - you're not going to be able to sell it for much less than $450-500.
For a long time I've been fan of tablets. And I always wanted the TZ series from HP. Despite the battery life, counting that it runs Windows, you get far more apps that necessary.
No confusion, just more choices. I happily purchased one of the 7" Galaxy Tabs, and I have no regrets. I use it *every day*. I do, however, plan on getting one of the new Asus Transformers when they are released in October. Another non-Apple alternative that I'm happy exists.
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Niche product is niche product.
I suppose you could call a Telxon a handheld computer too. But it's a niche product too.
So no, Fujitsu's tablets aren't general purpose enough to count.
Hahaha. You are so dumb.
Here in Brazil, tablets are extremely expensive: you don't get a netbook for the price of a tablet... you get a notebook. Mind you, desktops are cheaper than notebooks over here.
It's like that in many markets across the world. For example, where I live, the P1000 Galaxy Tab - which I think is the oldest and cheapest model - sells at the equivalent of $1000. It is only marginally cheaper than the iPad 2 (the first iPad ever sold here; arrived a month ago to 2-3 stores in the entire country). Something tells me they won't sell many of either.
...if Apple's injunction against Samsung has anything to do with there supposedly only being 20,000 out of a million units sold?
I got an older model G Tab on clearance for $200 and i couldn't be happier. Prices on tablets are dropping fast. In less than a year we will see a drop from $800 iPads to Amazon's $250 tablet. I thank HP for showing the industry the way forward.
Tablets are here to stay. If they're too expensive for you now, just wait another year.
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And that's where the epic fail resided before Apple came out with the iPad! An OS wholly unsuited for a tablet device! Only the tight integration of OS and hardware that Apple provided is what made a tablet computer a useful! Yes, not for all the same things as a laptop, but, partially the same things and some other things for which a laptop is not ideally suited, such as reading or watching video on a plane. I love my MacBook Pro, especially with MacPorts giving me a lot of the unix-y command-line tools that I love, but I would never use it or even a much smaller laptop (mine is 17") to replace my iPad for my lengthy bus rides or even on my plane rides. And yes, for me it is primarily a media consumption device and fantastic web browser. (I know, no Flash, and good riddance to it, too!) But, so what? The right thing for the right job is what I say. It may not work for you and I don't see it replacing my laptop for a long time, or even ever, but I get about 2 hours of solid use out of it every week day and for non-geeks, I am a programmer, it may well work as the only device they need. Especially when paired with a bluetooth keyboard.
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For about $15 more, you can snag a Viewsonic gTablet from Amazon... though until the gTablet price drop, was looking at the Nook Color. The gtablet is running a much better CPU, though the screen on the NC is a bit better in terms of field of view. my gTablet is pretty narrow, but once rooted to VEGAn-Tab, runs way nicer than the stock ROM. NC needs to be rooted to get the most out of it, which isn't a huge deal, just good to know. I'd like to see either of these hit the sub-$200 price point though.
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The pricing you note is not exclusive to Brazil. For the most part, globally, in averages, price ranges are:
Desktops Netbooks Tablets = Laptops = High End Desktops
Despite this, the iPad 2 still seems to be overselling netbooks. So its not just an issue with price. Price MAY make non-apple tablets more appealing, though.
If rumors are true, we will be seeing a $250 Kindle Tablet soon with an Android fork that will run Android 2.2 apps but no Google services at all, and likely fork compatibility going forward. I bet nothing in the world must scare Google more than that tablet. If true, it will kill the market for any non-Apple tablet and steal any control Google has over that market.
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No, he's right. Plenty of people won't buy from Apple, and for good reason.
What is plenty of people? 20,000? 100,000? There might be even more who don't buy any tablets simply because they are too broke ass poor.
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Channel Stuffing? You mean advertising? Yeah, everyone does that...
Except Apple because they could not manufacture enough iPads to keep up with demand initially let alone having some left to "stuff" the channel. There was no need to report "shipped" units when they could just quote sold units.
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The problem with handwriting recognition is twofold. First, it's actually a really hard problem (hell, humans have problem recognising my handwriting, what chance do machines have?). The second is that a pen is actually a pretty poor input device for text. I can type a lot faster than I can write with a pen, and the result is always consistent, while with a pen it can vary in quality depending on a whole variety of factors.
That said, the Newton had some amazing technology. The UI for copy and paste was beautiful. The drawing application, which let you sketch shapes and then turned them into vector primitives, was amazing to use. Newton Soup was an great idea, as was the agent.
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Millions. Just like there are millions of people avoiding Microsoft Windows. But sure, of the nearly 7 billion people on the planet, most won't afford an iPad. Then again, it's only sold 30-something million units, a comparably negligible number.
Who's cloning who? And who's the competitors again? Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?
The former does not imply the latter.
That being said:
Go read a history book, fanboy. And scrape that tattoo off your arm.
Which history book? The one about Newton? Or the one where the iPad is the first successful tablet? But, no, basing my posts on reality? I must simply be a "fanboy", there can be no other explanation!
Windows 8 seems to be geared entirely towards use on a tablet despite the fact that the public appear to have very little interest in tables. Apart from the iPad (which is triumph of marketing rather than design) none of the other tablets are selling at all. Tablets don't offer the functionality of a PC, nor do they offer the portability of a smartphone, so they have no real purpose.
A lot of companies act like the desktop is dead and tablets will take over, but the reality is that tablets are worthless. Complex tasks can only be done on a PC, while a PC also offers a far better experience for simple tasks like web browsing. The computer industry seems desperate to change purely for the sake of change, and in the process is destroying usability by gearing interfaces towards tablets.
I really hate the direction computing, and particularly user interfaces, have been heading for the last few years. I'm going to live in a cave.
For a long time I've been fan of tablets. And I always wanted the TZ series from HP. Despite the battery life, counting that it runs Windows, you get far more apps that necessary.
You get a lot of WIMP GUI applications. You don't really get all that many tablet apps, though...
no they wouldnt, they learned that from the smart phones. they can take a 100$ phone mark it up to 500$ market it right and shit the consumer does not know, they are all 500$ phones
its kind of like speeding on the freeway, if your in the pack you might not be noticed
Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu.
He said "commercially successful", not "subjectively successful". You're just making up definitions to fit your argument.
There's really no way to argue that the iPad isn't commercially successful, isn't the *most* commercially successful, and isn't the first truly successful, tablet ever made. That doesn't mean that there weren't other tablets, or that companies didn't make money selling them. Just that up to now, they've all been niche at best and have *NEVER* been a consumer hit among the general populace.
Yes, people just "hate" Apple and Microsoft for no valid reasons whatsoever. It's not "hate", it's simply being objective and not a F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy).
Right, because "reality" is that the iPad is a flop? Or that it's not the most successful tablet ever? Or that it wasn't the first truly successful tablet?
And how exactly is it that you can claim to be objective when you immediately follow that claim by stating those that disagree with you are "F.F.F. (fruity fucking fanboy)"? If you really had an objective argument, you should be able to defend it without such nonsense.
What Android devices looked like before and after the iPhone/iPad
I'm not sure what the author of that article was thinking, but that prototype was issued 6 months after the iPhone came out. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can't find an Android phone that existed in any form before the iPhone was released.
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They aren't sexy, but every 7-11 in the country (world?) has at least one for inventory control. People use them for work, not watching movies, so I guess they don't count.
Seriously? Every 7-11? So that's 40,000 units. Let's be generous and say there's two per store - that's 80,000. And let's say every hospital in the US has a hundred - since that's the only other place I've seen them. So that's roughly 600,000 units.
Apple has sold 69,000,000 iPads and iPad 2s.
The consumer market is different than the commercial market.
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Success, if defined by meeting your sales goals, would have to go to Fujitsu. They've been making tablets for decades now. Most of them run Windows (either CE or X86), resistive touch or custom stylus.
They aren't sexy, but every 7-11 in the country (world?) has at least one for inventory control. People use them for work, not watching movies, so I guess they don't count.
Sure they count, let's add them up: 40,000 stores, say 1 tablet every 2 years, round up: 0.5 million units in 20 years. It took Apple about two weeks to sell that many. Heck, people call the Apple TV a failure, and that sold over a million.
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Yes because clearly only 7-11 buys them. Do trolls even try anymore?
Just like there are too many TV's in various sizes, huh? What a moron.
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I'm just in the process of dusting off my asus a730w from about '05. Touch but no multi-touch, came with a stylus but you didn't need it, 450mhz intel xscale, windows mobile 2003, 640x480 screen, perhaps 15mm thick, weighed I don't know, maybe 200g, 3 hours usage time, price about £125, thousands of apps at least. Form factor feels more like a modern phone, but in many ways it acts like a tablet, and I can see a continuous line of incremental improvement from there to the ipad. The app store is innovation from apple, and I still don't know how they got all those developers lining up to port programs for them - I can only assume they convinced them there's money in it. I guess apple users have always been willing to spend money on small utilities that PC users would expect to find for free. Or maybe it's just that anyone who'd pay apple prices on these things must have money to burn. But either way, sure, the app store thing is something apple did first, and calling the google one a knock-off is fair. But on the hardware side the ipad is evolutionary and nothing more, and any number of non-apple tablets can match that.
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You forgot the most obvious Apple innovation, which fortunately is protected by a government-supported sole economic profit mandate (aka patent) 'till the tablets come home.
The real pertinent question to ask when trying to separate the chaff from the apples is: "Describe them. Did they have rectangular screens and rounded corners?"
If the answer to that question is "yes" they obviously stole all they ever came up with from Apple. It would not be the first time that happened, after all.
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I'm not going to try too hard to counter the fanboyism. I hope I am not feeding the trolls.
Apple were far from the first to invent the tablet, but what they did do was turn a niche market into a mass consumer product through a combination of producing up to date hardware running an OS and application suite that was widely accepted and popular. I could denigrate it to say it was simply an iPod/iPhone maxi, but the new form did allow it to be so much more.
Here's a couple of examples of tablets, I didn't look too hard, these are just from casual memory.
Fujitsu had a sequence of Stylistic tablets, for example one came out in 2004, here's a review http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/fujitsu-stylistic-st5022d-tablet/1707-3121_7-31252752.html
Sony had a couple too, the U50 and U71 http://www.vaio.sony.co.jp/Products/VGN-U50/
I don't know if they sold a million, but they definitely sold over 20k. They probably sold over 20k just in Australia, where when they dropped prices to $300, it was impossible to find the tablet in stores. As far as the device goes, it was mildly competent but in tablet terms it's primitive, any tablet running a phone OS is like that. Samsung have moved on and brought out far better devices and just announced the Galaxy Tab 7.7 which is a completely different story altogether. Meanwhile Lenovo have released me too chunky tablets that noone cares about. Samsung are the ONLY company competing with Apple on their terms, they are also the only ones that scare Apple right now. Lenovo can shut up and go back to the lab and figure out why their tablet is twice as thick and heavy as the competition and so expensive when it's basically mobile phone hardware glued to a larger screen and larger battery.
Wanna know how Apple's doing? Just go down and see how busy your local Apple store is. I bought apple stock about 5 years ago on the basis of that. :)
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Sure, but that wasn't your question. Apple didn't invent tablets, they just figured out how to sell them to consumers outside of the niche markets that other manufacturers occupied.
Even on the OS front they basically put the iPhone OS on a bigger screen, and they were not the first to try it. The Nokia 770 pre-dates the iPad by years and runs an OS designed for phones. While Apple can claim that the iPhone was a real game changer (and kudos to them for it) the iPad was really just the next logical step on a well trodden path.
For example Apple had to wait for a low-power high-performance CPU like everyone else. Battery life is one of the killer features you list, but you can't really attribute that to Apple because it was the development of CPUs, LCDs and batteries by other companies that made it happen.
In fact the touch interface of the iPad is quite badly designed in some ways. For example the keyboard is way too large to type on comfortably like the iPhone one. Apple do seem to have a nack for doing good UIs, but like every other company they are not infallible.
So well done for seeing the gap in the market, but that other stuff...
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Pfffff what do you have against fruit?
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As for TFA i'm sure all those channel stuffed units will end up going for pennies on the dollar, retailers don't like having tons of units gathering dust. i personally will be happy to pick one up at $99 on Woot! but I frankly wouldn't pay more than that for a pad. Some folks may think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread but i already get 4 hours plus on my laptop when playing video PLUS I can get work done, so what's the point.
Oh BTW Protip: If you want to really boost your battery life when watching videos on a laptop? Get DVDIdle Pro, well worth the money IMHO. It'll cache the video to RAM instead of spinning the DVD or HDD thus saving serious battery time by letting the HDD and DVD drive shut down. I have found I get nearly an extra hour, that is a 25% increase in time, simply by using DVDIdle pro, great piece of software.
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Huh?
Sure, but that wasn't your question?
I didn't have any question! I believe the original (not mine) question was:
Who's cloning who? And who's the competitors again? Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen? Go read a history book, fanboy. And scrape that tattoo off your arm.
And I would claim that Apple was not cloning anyone because they came up with the first OS that truly works well on a tablet. If you look at the numbers of iPads sold and compare that to the numbers of tablet computers sold before the iPad became available you'd have to live under a rock to not also call that "a real game changer"! I don't necessarily disagree that it might have been the "next logical step". But before I got my first iPad, I would have also thought that it wasn't such a big deal but now I only use my iPod Touch for music and not much else because the iPad is so much more enjoyable to use for reading and browsing on my bus rides and for movie watching on my flights. I am sure any UI has room for improvement and where did this
but like every other company they are not infallible
come from?? Who in their right mind would think that? Do you think I'm retarded?
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I don't mean at Fry's. I mean, in use. Not at a tech conference, but among the typical, everday, consumer.
I've never seen a 7" Galaxy Tab.
As of June, Apple has supposedly sold 25M iPads. 1M Tabs? That means for every 25 iPads I saw "in the wild", I'd expect to see at least 1 tab.
For fun sake, let's assume they sold 25,000. That means I'd at least see 1 for every 1000 iPads. I know I've seen at least 1000 iPads - probably 2-3 times that means. Not a single 7" Tab. (I've seen one 10", and I've seen one Xoom, but that was because it was at a programmer user group meeting, and Xooms were given away at Adobe's conference last year.)
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So how does Lenovo guy know much about Samsung sales?
Living in Korea, I've seen them fairly regularly. Koreans will let nationalism colour their purchases, and you can buy the tab here on a payment plan from various shops. So it's not that hard to get. The same goes for MP3 players, while I rarely saw anything but iPods in North America, at the same time that I came to Korea, an on the street estimate would have put their market share at only around 10%.
Now a lot of people are using their phones (which are often iPhones, but just as often not).
Also Samsung claims 6 million shipped, not a million shipped.
It's quite clear Lenova seems to be talking out of their ass.
We have an android app and market stats say 5,600 galaxy tabs have our app installed (so probably more people installed and then uninstalled). Can't believe that 25% of galaxy tab users have our app installed.
Don't you think that 20,000 is too little?
The latest "iPod/iPhone/iPad-killer" turns out to be a flop.
You're confused. They're talking about the original Galaxy Tab - the 7" Android 2.2 tablet that came out last year. It was rather meh by all accounts, which was accurately captured by reviews and user feedback. I don't think anyone seriously considered it an "iPad killer".
The current model is Galaxy Tab 10.1, a 10" Honeycomb tablet - and that offers some serious competition to iPad.
The reason why Apple is able to sell at rather low prices is because they know they can sell those things, so they make massive, multi-year preorders of components - screens, CPUs etc - and economy of scale kicks in. Whereas Android tablet manufacturers have no certainty that they can even sell a million of their devices within a year.
That said, it's still possible to beat iPad on price. E.g. Asus Transformer is still selling $100 cheaper.
Android tablet makers don't seen to understand that, with the iPad being used by law enforcement, and hospitals, and all. Nobody needs an Android table that costs just as an iPad.
Suppressed? How is saying Lenovo should shut the fuck up and stop using self defeating information to smear their competition a request for them to "suppress something"?
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hell, humans have problem recognising my handwriting
I can't read *my own* handwriting the next day. I have to print stuff in block capitals to be sure I'll understand it. And I was taught 'proper' handwriting the 'traditional' way...
The Sharp Zaurus could be used as a 'finger' touch screen (although it was a stylus 'pda'). Multi-touch is an improvement, but I'm fairly certain there had been prior multi-touch developments before Apple brought it out with iphone/ipod touch. Hell, there were plenty of touchscreen devices around even in the 90s, the parts just weren't small enough for a tablet sized device and weren't all that great for non-stylus usage. There is nothing particularly 'original' about a tablet, it is an oversized PDA, and its all just a take on science fiction concepts and a natural evolution for a device to become smaller and more portable as technology improves the components.
If you think Apple was the first "tablet" with a touch screen and have to argue specific features that it had, you have lost your mind. It was the first handheld tablet that used new enough technology that it was a generally enjoyable experience, but it was far from any sort of 'first' for what amounts to an oversized PDA. (Oh, and hook that bitch up and transfer files and music to it without using Apple's proprietary iTunes software... hell, the sharp zaurus had an SD slot and a CF slot in it. and a slide down real keyboard.)
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This one might be more relevant to the discussion: what tablets looked like before and after the iPad.
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Yes, it's so wildly successful they stopped reporting sales numbers. Now there's vote of confidence if ever I saw one.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
You'd think there'd have been some really significant discounting in the channels if there were a million sitting in warehouses. There were some brief offers on the original Tab, but there was no fire sale. Presumably Samsung would have an interest in getting them in people's hands rather than simply scrapping them. It would be an expensive - and unimaginative - way to protect brand reputation.
Apple did invent what most people think of as a tablet today - a sub 2 lb device with a screen significantly bigger than a phone or PDA, a capacitive touch screen (no stylus) and an OS purpose built for a small screen and touch interaction.
The previous definition of a tablet, which is now essentially defunct, was basically a notebook computer with the screen reversed, running a desktop OS and using a stylus.
The keys on the iPad keyboard are the same size as the keys on a macbook. It's a very good design for the intended use, not so good if you're standing and need to type more than a few words. Of course, there's the split keyboard in iOS 5 to address just that case.
Probably. But it's not a tablet. B&N is VERY careful to market it as an ebook reader. It's priced like an ebook reader and it's capabilities are very good for an ebook reader. By not calling it a tablet, it doesn't get compared to an iPad.
I bought an original iPad as soon as they were available in Canada. The extra productivity and convenience of carrying around fully annotated and searchable scientific papers with me, on a device that made them easy to read, alone made it more than worthwhile.
Yes, some early adopters buy for status. Others buy because a product has finally come along that does what they need, and buying one immediately is more than worth the premium you'd avoid by waiting for a year.
Hy-Brazil is not sinking.
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
The only differences between BetaMax and BetaCam are the speed of the rollers (BetaCam is faster, because that allows a higher bandwidth) and the number of heads.
BetaCam is actually an extension of BetaMax. It is the C++ to C. Consider it BetaMax++.
Therefore, your argument is that "professionals" used higher-quality gear than consumers, although it was essentially the same technology.
Congratulations on your critical thinking skills?
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If Google is all about openness, where's the public repository for the search engine?
It is accessible via web browser at www.google.com
Just sayin'.
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This one might be more relevant to the discussion: what tablets looked like before and after the iPad.
And if you found that interesting, check out what Apple thought tablets should look like before they came up with the iPad.
Also, Knight-Ridder invented the iPad in 1994... 16 years before Apple did (Apple released the first iPad in April 2010, according to Wikipedia).
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The problem is that the margins are pretty thin. Apple doesn't make that chunky a profit on iPads (at least not in the US market- Europe might have some more fat built in)m certainly not compared to their iPhone and iPod ranges. They're doing it on purpose- to trump other competitors on price (in exactly the way you say).
Samsung can't make a tablet as good as the iPad and sell it at a profit for $200. $300 at cost, maybe. But if they want to make a profit on it (and that is kinda the point of a tech company making a product at all), they're looking at a similar price to Apple.
I've seen a Samsaung Galaxy out in the wild, and I don't see many tablets period- so anecdotally they seem to be doing OK in my neck of the woods. Nowhere near the market spread the iPad has, but none the less. As long as they're selling enough to pay back the R&D, I'm sure they won't abandon the sector quite yet.
Also, I'm a little sceptical of any claims a large gadget manufacturer makes about failures at their competitors. I'm sure it's no coincidence that this statement comes a few days before Lenove announce their own tablet product.
Wow, you responded to a discussion of the sales numbers of tablets with an exceedingly brief (3 sentences) "article" with the headline "Samsung Stops Reporting Phone Sales Data". Better yet, the article says that analysts speculates that the reason they did so was because of their continuing legal battles with Apple.
Way to go, champ. You've really got some good information, there. Meaty article, solid reasoning... supported the heck out of your tablet snobbery with an article about phones.
Lemme guess, you're an iDiot?
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There are too many Galaxy tabs in too many sizes, it has suffered total brand confusion. With Apple you just need to decide the Wifi or 3G, Balck or White and GB ammount. With Samsung you got the 7.0, 7.7, 8.9, 10.0, 10.1 and "note" 5.5 and "Player" 3.8, plus they are in legal limbo with Apple which gives you a risk of being stranded with a "banned" product.
Yeah, I hate having to choose a size in addition to deciding that I want a media playing device.
I mean, who needs a 7" tablet, when there's a 10" tablet? Nevermind that I can't slip a 10" tablet into a jacket pocket, whereas the 7" fits just fine...
Now when you get down to the less-than-four-inches tablet, you might have a point - my phone has a 4" screen and plays avi and mp4 video just fine. On the other hand, if the price point is $150 or so, and it's got plenty of storage space, then I might reconsider - my phone was $500 without a contract.
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First of all, the "ported phone apps" you describe aren't ported, they simply run natively on the same OS. Apple's success can largely be thought of in the same light, if you wanna make a big deal out of it. Apps written for one iOS device run on any of them.
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Don't be retarded in public, please.
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Really? You're getting hundreds of dollars in ROI from something anyone could get at a library 20 years ago?
I think you're getting a little bit of extra convenience, and think enough of yourself that not having to open a notebook lid is a "value" greater than any other utility to which you could have put the few hundred extra dollars you spent.
That distortion of self-worth and the economic value of money is also part of the conditioning I mentioned.
Way to go, champ. You've really got some good information, there. Meaty article, solid reasoning... supported the heck out of your tablet snobbery with an article about phones.
It was widely reported so I just pasted in the first link I found. I'm assuming slashdot readers know all about the latest news.
Lemme guess, you're an iDiot?
*plonk*
If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error.
I'm sorry, I thought I was talking to an adult. Go run and play in your own little world and keep thinking everyone who disagrees with your myopic worldview is an idiot, full of himself and brainwashed.
Run along now.
Wow. You really do have a thin skin and no sense of reason. And not a little touch of paranoia.
So how does Lenovo guy know much about Samsung sales?
Samsung published its sales figures. They recently (about a month ago) decided to halt that practice, possibly because it was giving their competitors an advantage in the market.
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Therefore by definition it is a complete failure.
Define "complete failure".
Are you seriously suggesting Apple was first to release a tablet device with a touch screen?
Name the prior ones. Describe them. Were they decent multi-touch? Touch at all or just stylus? What kind of processor? What OS? What resolution & color depth screen? How thick? How heavy? Battery life? What was the price? How many apps were available?
Uh-huh, I thought so.
You smarmy twerp. There were plenty of PC tablets out there with reasonable touch / stylus input. Multi-touch is cute but not necessary.
Apple was the first to miniaturize it and make something that causes yuppie envy. They were the first to make a luxury tablet, but not the first to make a tablet.
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There were plenty of PC tablets out there with reasonable touch / stylus input.
But of course, the actual market for such devices did not find stylus input to be reasonable. Maybe single-touch would have been reasonable if the speed, memory, resolution & size had been better, or maybe single-touch just doesn't cut it. You can call me names all day, but you can't deny this fact: the iPad was the first tablet computer to have broad success in the market.