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Samsung Halts Galaxy Tablet Promotion In Germany
An anonymous reader writes "Samsung Electronics said Sunday it has pulled its latest Galaxy tablet from the IFA trade show in Berlin, after a German court approved an Apple-requested injunction — the latest move in a wide-reaching patent dispute between the two firms."
Clever, Apple, clever. Today from the "How do i make my competitor look more important than he probably is"-department.
Attention for free. Show you tablet one day on a Exhibition, then get the free headlines that "It was pulled due to a court order from Apple".
This directly makes the tables an competitor to the ipad (which they are not, they have different audiences, different sizes, and different advantages/disadvantages; i could well imagine to buy both).
Apple did not invent the tablet PC, but they want to ban anyone else from making anything resembling a tablet PC.
Apples claims will not stand up to reality.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Lying is one of apple's forte's. Remember the "can we please use the Apple trademark and we promise never to go into the music business"!
Um, your link itself explains that Apple sued Samsung first, over "allegedly copying it's products".
I wonder if this will end up hurting Apple because it will start people thinking that if Apple is trying tactics like this to stop sales of the Galaxy Tab, then the Galaxy Tab must offer serious competition to the iPad. Apple normally don't resort to legal tactics to stop competitors since they can usually rely on producing a better product.
The fact that the display booth at IFA was hastily covered up just smells of desperation on Apple's part. Of course it's more complicated than that, but most people won't see it that way. I suspect this battle will just result in bad PR for Apple, and extra publicity for Samsung.
"A week in the lab saves an hour in the library"
Apple has no injunction against any Samsung 7" tablet, and hasn't tried to get one
Samsung itself, along with hundreds of news outlets, would no doubt be interested in hearing your theory. Do you have the slightest shred of evidence to back it up?
Well, I for one am reassured, now that courts will be controlling the scope of choice for me, when I go shopping for gadgets.
The Galaxy is a copy? "Imitation is the highest form of flattery." Humans have been copying others' ideas since the invention of the wheel. What about the violation of the patent: "A Method and Process for Producing Fire by Rubbing Sticks Together" ?
Hey, let the market decide . . . do you want the real thing with a chic logo . . . ? Or some cheap rip-off . . . ? Check your wallet first.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
For crying out loud, you're bashing Apple for going back on a promise they made 30 years ago . "Music industry" back then meant selling vinyl records. How is that lying anyway? 30 years passed before they decided to start producing MP3 playback devices in a totally different music and technology landscape.
This was posted there last night, and I was pretty surprised at the anger towards Apple in the comments (The comments there have since degenerated into an Apple Fanboi vs. the rest of the world "ur mom" catfight). But the general tone is clear: Apple could not have done more or better marketing for Samsung's devices. Apple is also royally hurting its own sacred brand with these type of actions, as the perception of Apple as the feisty underdog becomes one of an abusive monopoly similar to the way Microsoft has long been perceived.
Statistically speaking, I don't think 1 event is a trend.
That's disingenuous. Also before the iPad were things like the Nokia N700 (Maemo) and the SmartQ series (Ubuntu/Wince/Android). The SmartQ devices, in particular, look a lot like the Samsung design, yet predate the iPad by years.
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Are you serious? How much time has to pass, in your opinion, in order for it NOT to be a lie? Are your wedding vows still valid after 30 years?
http://www.designer-daily.com/android-device-design-before-and-after-the-iphone-ipad-18040
To deny the obvious design cloning is to reach an extreme level of Apple-hating that even I can't understand.
http://i.imgur.com/NbDRW.jpg
So, if visual design is what matters, and not the software (which is different since the iOS is so superior as you would remind us), what do you think about this Samsung digital picture frame from 2006?:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/09/samsung-digital-picture-frame-stores-pics-movies-music/
Form follows function, which is why every TV and computing device is destined to look the same once a level of miniaturization is reached. That's why you see similar tablets in a 1970s TV show ("The Tomorrow People") and a movie from the 1960s ("2001 a Space Odyssey").
Apple certainly is a style trendsetter, but really it is more about bringing things to market that are the closest to what the visionaries have already described. There's a rather clear evolution from other mp3 players through to the ipod, iphone, and then ipad. And yes, along the way things came from non-Apple sources too.. the next iphone will have screen dimensions suspiciously like an HTC EVO, and a notification bar straight from Android. That's what happens in competition.
I'm sorry this conflicts with your worldview that all these nice Apple products were invented in a vacuum.
You could climb on the shoulders of another small man, hang a large coat over your shoulders and talk in a really deep voice. That might not be enough, but it would be a start.
Did your linked page originally came from realitydistortionfield.com?
The LG Prada phone was winning design awards months before the Iphone was first announced. Note that this article on the Prada phone is dated before the Iphone was first announced: http://mobile.engadget.com/2006/12/15/the-lg-ke850-touchable-chocolate/
Likewise, the Ipad closely resembles prior tablets. Here's the Crunchpad prototype from six months before the Ipad was first announced: http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/crunchpad-the-launch-prototype/
Here's the Knight-Ridder concept tablet from 1994 (16 years before the Ipad was first announced): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBEtPQDQNcI&feature=player_embedded#at=139
Sorry fanboys.
Here in Germany we believe that an unfettered free market is going to be significantly worse for us than the current government.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Imagine if they win: They'll have a legally enforced monopoly on tablets!
Not so. They'll have a legally enforced monopoly on a very particular design of tablets.
Like the judge said: “There are a lot of alternative ways to design a tablet device, as the market amply shows.” Doesn't sound like he has any interest in stopping others from making tablets.
Letting your whole food production wander off to cheaper workers is a terrible idea for the stability of the country (a trade problem could cause mass starvation and Germany has always been limited in long range trade as our navies could never stand up to more seafaring nations like Britain and France). Just because our farmers need to have enough money to buy TVs and other luxury goods they aren't somehow inefficient money eaters. Everything costs more when made here but that's only cost to the consumer. Our human workers still require the same amount of nutrition for the same actions. Our machinery is the same stuff they're using anywhere else (maybe even more modern and efficient). Our farming practices are set up to keep the ground usable. We don't burn down tropical rainforest just to grab new farmland because our old areas got depleted.
There are more costs than just the money exchanged at the supermarket. I don't disagree that international trade is heavily exploiting Africa by paying them so little they almost starve and thus pushing them to farm more cash crops and overfarm the land until it's unusable leading to rainforest burning but that's not going to get better by abolishing our own farming.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
. It has become so complex and relies on so many differing pieces that it is getting increasingly difficult to differentiate between products. That leaves functionality and design as a product differentiator.
That makes no sense. If things are complicated, it's easy to differentiate. It's because the design of a tablet is so simple that all tablets look the same (barring colours, and whether to round off certain edges or not).
Here's another choice Apple had: not suing other companies for using a shape that was around before the iPad..
which is totally what she said
Android market 200% in 12 months, Apple panics
According to http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2106625/android-market-share-doubles-apple-ios-falls-cent
"Apple's IOS operating system (OS) has fallen eight per cent in popularity over the last year, while Google's Android OS market share has doubled"
Apple is a sore little pesky bastard. The iPad tablets they have produced have been around for decades as precursors, and for millennia (or millenniums, if you prefer) as design cues.
There must be some reason why Samsung decides not to fight back much harder, the initial arguments is on their side. There is a secret agenda or clue somewhere. For now, I have no idea.
And those "before iPad" tablets were obviously superior, having functionality put before design.
If you post as an AC, don't expect me to spend a mod point on you.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4058472/Samsung-set-to-sue-Asian-phone-makers-says-report
Fandroids hate facts.
The whole of American Industry is reliant on international manufacturers like Foxconn and millions of good American jobs have been outsourced to places like India, China, Brazil , Korea, Southeast Asia, Russia and the former East European countries. The manufacturing machinery that I built for my former employer has been ripped out and shipped to Poland because of cheaper labor. American companies have no choice but to try to protect its intellectual property or see its standard of living fall to an equilibrium. It may already be too late. If you work in the Software industry their is no reason why your job should be done in a high wage country like U.S.A. or Canada. Their are many hard working programmers and developers in India who work for lower wages. Banking, Law research, Accounting, can all be outsourced. Something to think about on this Labor Day holiday. Strong intellectual property laws are one way to retain the incentive to invest in new ideas going forward. And rethink your attitudes to companies like Rambus who outsource fabs but try to retain rights to their Intellectual property.
Because Apple registered the design in Europe in the mid-90s.... Nice try though. Why don't you try and look up things relevant to this case instead of irrelevant distractions.
That's disingenuous. Also before the iPad were things like the Nokia N700 (Maemo) and the SmartQ series (Ubuntu/Wince/Android). The SmartQ devices, in particular, look a lot like the Samsung design, yet predate the iPad by years.
I think you should read the actual filing. Apple isn't filing suit based upon the fact that the devices look very similar, but upon that fact coupled with the fact that the user interface is also very similar (and in fact violated both trademarks on the art and software patents on the interface), the packaging in very similar, and the hardware uses patented Apple designs. It's all these things in combination that Apple is claiming is misleading users (well and the regular patent claims). It's one thing to have a device that looks sort of like an iPhone or iPad. It's another to do that and design an interface with the same elements right down to cloning a dozen of the icons.
roman:
Give it a break already. If batshit insane libertarianism was at all a possibility for any human society larger than a bunch of proto monkeys on the Serengeti, somebody would have tried it.
It's OK to have meaningful relationships with other humans. It really is. Try it sometime.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Yes, you can obviously make a tablet without fear getting sued by Apple - but Samsung decided they'd rather copy the design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JooJoo
Is this what you had in mind, when you talk about 'copying design'?
And, obviously, I am not talking about Samsung copying the design...
First of all: until June 2009 the JooJoo/CrunchPad looked notably different: http://techcrunch.com/2009/04/09/crunchtablet-hits-the-net-a-little-early/, even ignoring the color, the non-flat front is quite obvious. Further, as http://peanutbuttereggdirt.com/e/custom/Apple-vs-Samsung-1-Hardware-Design.html shows, there are still a number of differences to Apple's claims: not only is the silver bezel missing that both the iPad and the Galaxy Tab have, the JooJoo's screen is also not centered - and its hard to tell what its icons look like. But let's get to the most important point.
The suit in Germany is based on the European Community-Design 000181607-0001 - filed in May 2004
Any "prior art" prior to 2004 please.
Fandroids hate facts.
The suit in Germany is based on the European Community-Design 000181607-0001 - filed in May 2004
Any "prior art" prior to 2004 please.
An oft-overlooked - but crucial - point of CD filings: you must have your design registered AND start using it for it to be considered 'active'. Just like registered trademarks in the US - they are not considered live and enforceable until you start using them in commerce.
Was Apple using that design back in 2004? No? When did they start using that design in commerce? Until that date - the design was registered but not enforceable. And like trademarks, others who use your registered design before you start using it are indemnified from infringement issues (it's why you often have small local mom-and-pop stores using "registered names/trademarks" without problem - they were using them before the larger entity registered and/or used the mark).
Samsung was using that design back in 2006, well before the iPhone existed or the iPad was even announced.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Um, my link itself explains that Apple sued Samsung first in the United States, but that Samsung sued Apple first in Japan and Germany. This article is about the lawsuit that Samsung brought against Apple in Germany.
i thought, therefore i was...
And that's one reason why Apple didn't sue the JooJoo. So what's Samsung's excuse - that they actually copied the JooJoo, not the iPad? After the CD was enforcable?
No, the CD is no longer enforceable against Samsung - because they started using that design before it was enforceable.
Here's an example. You are a nationwide restaurant called Fanboy Foods. You have a new slogan "Cheap Good Eats". You register that trademark - and it's accepted and granted.
A year later, my little store, Rooster's Grub, starts using the same slogan - "Cheap Good Eats".
A year after that you, Fanboy Foods, starts using your registered slogan. Guess what - I can still use the slogan since I was using it in trade before you were - I still have precedent to use it - even though you registered it before my first use. You didn't use the slogan in commerce, and thus you have no priority against my use.
You can stop and legally prohibit anyone else in the entire US (or in the case of the Apple/Samsung spat, the EU) from using that slogan - and even collect damages against them. But since I was using it before you were using it, you cannot restrict my use now or in the future.
Same thing with community designs - you can only enforce against people who begin using it AFTER you registered AND used the design in commerce. Doing one or the other does not preclude others from using that same design - you need to do both to have the legal right to prohibit use. Which is why Samsung actually has priority in use of the design - not in registration, but in use. So they're fine from a design standpoint.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
I want to thank all you guys here on this forum for posting so much relevant and highly interesting information about evolving product designs in the world of consumer electronic products.
By the way, someone gave me an iPad2 not long ago, but after having it for a while and reading about having to jailbreak it just to install apps I want (like VLC), the way Apple controls their products made me sick and I returned it for a Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Honestly, I don't see how so many people avidly follow Apple when the company is so clearly the worst offender in terms of restricting use and cornering its users to force them into its own markets. The only explanation I can come up with is that most people are just technologically very inept and terrified of not being spoonfed.