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E Ink Demos New Displays, Gadgets At IFA 2011

An anonymous reader writes "E Ink turned up at IFA 2011 with its Triton color e-paper, which has exactly the same properties as the monochrome version found in the Kindle (two-month battery life, no power use when viewing a page, as readable as a sheet of paper) while adding 4,096 colors. We also get to see the E Ink watch, signage, cellphone and USB stick displays, and the latest glass-less e-paper inside a credit card. E Ink hopes to use the new plastic substrate in future e-readers, meaning they will be thinner, lighter, and more shatterproof than those that ship today."

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  1. Just in time... by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not more than two days ago, my wife (a librarian) saw a color e-reader (using a backlit LCD), and mentioned that it'd be great for children's books. I said that e-ink was probably a better option, because the reader could use less power when a distracted kid leaves it turned on. Now, there's hope for the benefits of both!

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    1. Re:Just in time... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The one distinctive feature of children's books is the thick cardboard cover and thick pages, because children aren't exactly known for their carefulness.

      I'm not sure how a E-ink device would fare after a few months of being aggressively fingered, scratched, thrown, banged, sat and vomited upon, especially considering that, unlike a real book that would be used occasionally and then shelved, an e-book would used all the time, precisely because it can display any book.

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    2. Re:Just in time... by fmrbastien · · Score: 3, Funny

      The problem I have with paper is the distracting animation when I flip the page. Or when the wind flips the page... or when doing anything, really. Very annoying indeed.

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    3. Re:Just in time... by Zouden · · Score: 2

      I wonder if we'll see a resurgence in comic books / graphic novels. There'll always be a market for physical comic books but I think there's a much larger audience out there who would enjoy the stories but don't want to spend the money collecting them. I know there's iPad apps for that sort of thing but I think a colour Kindle is much more appealing, and the 4096-colour range of this E Ink screen would be well suited to the artwork style.

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  2. Re:Cooooool. by Dot.Com.CEO · · Score: 3, Informative

    I used to be like you. I have about 1500 books. Then I got a kindle and I'm converted. Just give it a go, it's actually damn good technology done right.

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  3. Useless for video by Mathinker · · Score: 2

    The current E-Ink tech is useless for video because the refresh rate is very slow.

    What fascinates me about the summary is the plastic encapsulation. I wonder if eventually we will have objects which resemble paper books, but the individual pages will be easily rewritable?

    My guess is that before that happens, mainline culture will change enough that people will think of paper books similar to the way most relate now to phonograph records. OTOH, I don't really believe I have any great ability to predict the future that far out.

    1. Re:Useless for video by locofungus · · Score: 2

      I wonder if eventually we will have objects which resemble paper books, but the individual pages will be easily rewritable?

      This would be fantastic and could, potentially, obviate the need for a power supply or buttons at all. You'd "dock" the book and rewrite the pages and then carry it around and use it just like an ordinary book.

      Tim.

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  4. Re:Refresh rate? by wrook · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to this article: http://www.e-ink-info.com/fujitsu-shows-new-prototype-color-e-reader Fujitsu is building something based on this and it has a refresh rate of 0.7 seconds. So pretty slow. Other articles ( http://www.e-ink-info.com/auos-sipix-e-paper-now-fast-enough-video-6fps ) suggest that some monochrome panels are capable of 6 frames per second and speculate ( http://www.e-ink-info.com/e-ink-do-not-expect-new-monochrome-e-ink-display-2011 ) that 24 frames per second may be possible in a matter of years.

    So... it's still mostly useful for static displays, but in a couple of years we may be seeing it branching out into other applications.

  5. Letter sized... by Tropaios · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article states that they print ROLLS of this stuff over a meter wide and up to a kilometer long... Why can't I have a color e-ink reader with an 8 1/2" x 11" screen, a touch screen, and full PDF support?

    I don't care what it costs, shut up and take my money!

    1. Re:Letter sized... by daid303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I say "wallpaper". Really, how awesome would that be!

    2. Re:Letter sized... by Tropaios · · Score: 2

      That would also be amazing. but at 167 ppi, your 12 ft wall with 8 ft ceilings is going to be a roughly 385 megapixel display...

      But I am also the same guy who wonders why if I can have a qHD display in a 4" cell phone, why can't I have a 4K display in my 17" laptop...

      Scumbag tech companies aren't innovating fast enough!

    3. Re:Letter sized... by jeti · · Score: 2

      That would also be amazing. but at 167 ppi, your 12 ft wall with 8 ft ceilings is going to be a roughly 385 megapixel display...

      So? The wallpaper doesn't have to update quickly. Use vector graphics and a passive matrix display.
      You don't need a lot of memory or a lot of transistors for a high resolution display.

    4. Re:Letter sized... by ccguy · · Score: 2

      Take mine too, but for fuck's sake, don't bring that letter size shit to new devices! Do A4 please.

    5. Re:Letter sized... by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The article states that they print ROLLS of this stuff over a meter wide and up to a kilometer long... Why can't I have a color e-ink reader with an 8 1/2" x 11" screen, a touch screen, and full PDF support?

      I don't care what it costs, shut up and take my money!

      I get the impression that they're talking about large sheets of the "microcapsule" material used in the displays, rather than complete displays with the electronics required to "write" pixels to them. They're pretty clear that the electronics are the limiting factor.

      Meanwhile, the Kindle seems reasonably happy with displaying PDFs - its just that panning and zooming them is painful - partly because of the limited controls on a Kindle, but mainly because of the very slow screen refresh.

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    6. Re:Letter sized... by dargaud · · Score: 2

      I've got a better suggestion. Why not just make it 11.7" x 8.5" and then it could display both A4 *and* letter pages.

      You mean 21x29.7cm... C:-P

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    7. Re:Letter sized... by Hadlock · · Score: 2

      I think the main problem is that the company who makes the eink "paper" displays is also the company that makes the video controllers for them. There are no third party video controller manufacturers yet. From what I understand, the "paper" is a solid, quality product at this point; the main sticking point is that the controllers are still very basic; several eink products use the same video controller as the Kindle. It's not like you can just attach a VGA or HDMI cable to one of these things and get video output (yet). Due to the design of the video controller, they don't scale terribly well.
       
      That said, put me on the mailing list for a 1x2 meter display when they become available! Nothing like having a weather/news display on the wall you can see from across the room, or being able to check your email from across the living room at a glance.

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    8. Re:Letter sized... by jimicus · · Score: 2

      The biggest "detail" is probably "Nobody has a way to drive a display that size. Yeah, sure, we could build one but the engineer time would be expensive, not to mention tooling up a factory which doesn't come cheap. So unless we can spread that cost over many hundreds of thousands - maybe even millions - of units, the unit price will be so high that few will want to buy it. We have no idea whether or not we could sell that many in the first place, so we're not about to ask someone like Foxconn to run off an initial batch of 250,000. Look what happened when HP did that."

  6. Re:Refresh rate? by c0lo · · Score: 2

    I can see screen update speed being an issue when you're looking through the pages of a manual as opposed to casually reading a book.

    Looks like a value of 6fps - at an even lower speed, I don't thing thing browsing a book would create problems (comparison terms: the old silent movies were shot at anywhere from 12 to 26 fps, the standard is now at 24 fps).

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  7. Re:control by peppepz · · Score: 2

    [DRM sucks]

    Then use plain PDFs.

    (12) Smells nice.

    Nothing can beat the smell of fresh desiccant when you open the box of a shiny new gadget (such as an e-book reader).

  8. Re:Refresh rate? by wvmarle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Movies don't have the interstitial effects. Or at least much less so. For a movie 24 fps means 24 frames displayed; the time to change a frame is much less than 1/24th of a second. For a screen like this 6fps means 6 frames displayed, but also implies that the time to change a frame is 1/6th or a second.

    This is also exactly why gamers waited so long to ditch those CRTs and started using flat screens. The refresh rate was too slow.

    Not that I think it's a problem for books (mostly static images), but you can't fully compare it to movies.

  9. Re:control by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

    There is a geek hoarding habit which I guess would fit in with the need to have compact digital copies of everything. But there is really no requirement to keep your own copy of every book you have ever read or may read at some point in the future.

  10. Re:flick through by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm reading a book on my Kindle that has notes at the end of each chapter. By the time I get to them I want to look back and reread the passage they refer to - easy in a real book, but very laborious in an e-book. ... Along with its indifference to book design of course...

    You reckon? I always hated the end-notes in a book, even a real one.

    I can understand that layout-ing a book for press-printing is much cheaper if relying on end-notes instead of footnotes, but with now the ubiquitous use of the computer in "desktop publishing" this should not be an excuse (at most, I can accept the idea of relying on endnotes if the notes themselves have a large extent).

    But end-notes in an ebook without back-referencing? Good God, the publisher of such books must be to lowest type $crooges, with the only motivation of staying in business being to punish everyone that need or love to read a(n e) book.
    My point: don't blame the eBook reader, but the publisher of such monstrous mutilation of the ebook.

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  11. Re:Refresh rate? by Required+Snark · · Score: 2
    Motion picture frames change 24 times per second. However, each frame is displayed twice, so 48 images are displayed each second. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_projector#Shutter

    A commonly held misconception is that film projection is simply a series of individual frames dragged very quickly past the projector's intense light source; this is not the case. If a roll of film were merely passed between the light source and the lens of the projector, all that would be visible on screen would be a continuous blurred series of images sliding from one edge to the other. It is the shutter that gives the illusion of one full frame being replaced exactly on top of another full frame. A rotating petal or gated cylindrical shutter interrupts the emitted light during the time the film is advanced to the next frame. The viewer does not see the transition, thus tricking the brain into believing a moving image is on screen. Modern shutters are designed with a flicker-rate of two times (48 Hz) or even sometimes three times (72 Hz) the frame rate of the film, so as to reduce the perception of screen flickering. (See Frame rate and Flicker fusion threshold.)

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  12. Re:I'm convinced! by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

    You forget the obvious alternative; a single long stretch of paper. It could be rolled up to make it portable. Now THAT would be progress!

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  13. Re:I'm convinced! by Defenestrar · · Score: 2

    Perhaps you could roll from both ends to achieve a "scrolling" look mimicking modern computer displays. It'd give a high tech feeling to your idea!