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$5M In Torrented Files Presented As Art

ideonexus snips thus from Wired: "The Art 404 gallery is currently exhibiting a piece by Manuel Palou called '5 Million Dollars, 1 Terabyte' which is a 'sculpture' consisting of a 1 TB external hard drive containing $5,000,000 worth of illegally downloaded files. The hard drive is displayed on a pedestal at the gallery." Adds ideonexus: "There is a PDF of the files stored on the device with links to the torrents." I'd like this to be an exhibit at every trial in which gigantic money damages are claimed for copyright infringement.

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  1. Does this classify by esocid · · Score: 2

    as found art?

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    1. Re:Does this classify by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Didn't you read the summary? It's Art 404. 404 is "not found". Therefore it is not found art.

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  2. A PDF? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know which is stupider, the concept of the art project, or that they are distributing a list of links over the internet with a PDF file.

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    1. Re:A PDF? by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 4, Funny

      The concept is fine. I'm working on a similar project right now. The stupid part is calling it art.

  3. So it has two songs on it? by mla_anderson · · Score: 4, Funny

    At current RIAA prices isn't that just two MP3s?

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  4. Re:Two questions: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, so the harddrive does not contain files, it contains one file with links to torrent files?

    No, the hard-drive contains the actual files in question, the PDF is a separate listing of what files have been downloaded to the drive, and their value IIRC (I can't access the PDF file without my browser crashing as I'm at work and this computer only has Adobe Reader).

    Second, THAT'S ART?!

    Moreso than most things passing as art these days.
    This exhibit actually aims to raise a valid point about piracy.
    By highlighting how trivial it is to cause $5million of "damage" (by certain definitions of that word) and how little effect it actually has, it's supposed to get people questioning the way we deal with infringers.

  5. Uh... art?! by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll say it again (for the thousandth time - and this is entirely subjective but it's still true): THIS ISN'T FUCKING ART!!! What it is, however, is a coherent political statement that actually says something (unlike the proverbial paint thrown on the wall, feces on a Ritz cracker, etc, etc). Imagine that...

    1. Re:Uh... art?! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      THIS ISN'T FUCKING ART!!!

      So you are saying the downloaded files don't include porn?

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    2. Re:Uh... art?! by Tar-Alcarin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So something can be entirely subjective, and at the same time hold some universal truth? That's quite impressive.

      But as for your main point, here's the definition of the concept of art, as quoted from Wikipedia:
      "Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging items (often with symbolic significance) in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect."

      I'd say; a coherent political statement that says something by means of symbolism, can easily be viewed as art.
      The fact that people are getting quite heated in a discussion about this, I think lends credit to that viewpoint.

  6. Re:Price determined by...? by Kjella · · Score: 2

    I guess the MSRP value of what the software/digital media is being sold for at the time of creation? i.e. ebooks, songs, DVDs, blu-rays, etc.

    So since the RIAA/MPAA/BSA like to ask for $150000 per infringement, I guess the lawsuit will be in the billions. That's one man certain to be a starving artist for the rest of his life....

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  7. PDF File size by bernywork · · Score: 2

    404 Art.... The file size is 40.4 KB in size.

    Co-incidence? I think not!

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  8. This is art by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know a lot of you are going to protest and complain that this isn't art, much like the protest over that sculpture made of raw meat... but in a sense this really is art because of the people downloading, the controversy over copyright, the flagrant copyright violation involved in the artist downloading these files and presenting them as an artistic work. I think it's commendable, and it definitely involves taking a risk and it does make you feel something, so it's art.

    I didn't say it was good art, but it is art, and I think it's interesting.

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    1. Re:This is art by impaledsunset · · Score: 2

      If I download the same works and put them on the same drive

      Kids these days! Not even the slightest bit of originality, sheesh! When we stole copyrighted works, we stole them creatively!

    2. Re:This is art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wish people would stop calling "statements", "art".
      Art is about aesthetics.

      While some art makes a statement, not all art does (for example the mona-lisa), and not everything that makes a statement is art (for example PETA rallies).

      A commodity hard drive containing files, is not art. It can (depending on how it's used) be a statement.

    3. Re:This is art by mfh · · Score: 2

      Art is about aesthetics.

      You raise the "principles of beauty" argument and you have made a good point, to some extent. How do you explain languished art, art of pain and darkness, art that paints sorrow? Beauty is what triggers a positive emotion so in my opinion, your statement that art is about aesthetics is lacking because it only expresses one of many rich emotions possible to be generated through art. Visual art, feeling art, art of noise; these are the contrasts of art and each has a place. To suggest that only one fraction of one part is what art is all about is like saying clam chowder is about the milk.

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  9. Why is that? by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    I'd like this to be an exhibit at every trial in which gigantic money damages are claimed for copyright infringement.

    Why? What relation does the exhibit have to a civil regarding copyrights? Or do you think wasting the judge's time will work in favor of the defense?

    I've seen crime scene photos displayed in a gallery as art. Do you think those should be exhibits at the trial? (Obviously the crime scene photos are evidence. I mean, the particular fact that the photos could be displayed as art, is that relevant to the trial?)

    "See judge, the blood splatter is art. Therefor this killing was not a crime!"

    Unless you're going the other way, and saying, if anyone should have to pay big money for copyright infringement, it should be the pretentious arsehole who tries to pass off a commodity hard drive as art.

    In that, I'm with you 100%.

  10. Re:Two questions: by Scutter · · Score: 2

    First, so the harddrive does not contain files, it contains one file with links to torrent files?

    Second, THAT'S ART?!

    It provoked an emotional response in you and it caused you to talk about it with other people. I'd say that classifies it as art. Maybe not GOOD art, but art nonetheless.

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  11. Re:Ahh, copyright infringement.... by halivar · · Score: 2

    Every time you borrow my air, you are stealing from me. Please stop.

  12. Re:Not art by somersault · · Score: 2

    “Your mother” is a large installation that turns food into feces [sic.]...

    FTFY

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  13. Re:Two questions: by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently, anything can be called art now.

    That tiny little box sitting on a pedestal is apparently worth $5,000,000. It think it's a poignant statement on copyright.

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  14. Re:Two can play it that game by Tsingi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If you had a terabyte of music, they would sue for a lot more than $5,000,000.00.

    Interesting system, it's just like conjuring money out of thin air. In the olde daze a pirate was someone who had to work for his money, kill, rape, plunder. Now all he has to do is copy a file. Not even steal it, just make a copy

    Avast ye swabbies!

  15. I didn't think it was art either, at first... by bistromath007 · · Score: 2

    Then I looked at the pdf. I can see that he chose which files he'd download very carefully. This isn't $5M of effortless movie and music grabbing. The first section of the list is several software tools that have outrageous license prices, like AutoCAD. Crown jewel of the collection: eight years of fiction books, $3M. It is literally an order of magnitude larger than the next largest thing on the list. This work shows how kinds of knowledge and culture that we don't spend a bunch of money and time arguing about in court have been affected by our banged up ideas about IP rights.

    This is a work of art.

  16. In other unletated news by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

    RIAA claims a 5.000.000USD tax reduction because of donations to an arts project.

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  17. Re:Two questions: by Pope · · Score: 2

    Is this supposed to tell me if I'm an art critic or a lesbian, Mr. Decker?

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  18. Re:Two questions: by xaxa · · Score: 2

    Well, if that's the definition of art, I just created an art masterpiece in my bathroom. I named the piece "Where's the plunger?" It's a kind of performance art, actually.

    Sure. But that's not a new idea.

  19. Re:Two questions: by cHALiTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly: We could take another hard drive and copy the first one over to it, then BAM! we've got ourselves 10M bucks. Then another and it's 15M. If we do a couple hundreds, we could actually end world poverty!!

    The concept as I understand it is that the fact that just producing a copy of a disk can instatly create 5M dollars worth of anything is incredibly wrong. From there you can start deconstructing the whole business interpretation of copyright.

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