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Israel To Join CERN As First Non-European Member
First time accepted submitter WorldPiece writes "More accurately, first non-European full member. This comes with some opposition from groups pushing to boycott Israel academia in response to the Israeli government's policies. 'It is a vital part of our mission to build bridges between nations. This agreement enriches us scientifically and is an important step in that direction,' CERN's Director General Rolf Heuer, a German physicist, told the signing ceremony."
..so we have decided to harbor their heirs.
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Politics have no business in science.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
I'm surprised the Elders of Zion allowed this to happen.
You sir, need to STFU and GTFO. 'Nuff said.
Isreal is non-european ... it's definitely not african, it's not american, its not australian, and i have a hunch it's non-asian ...
did we just discover a new continent ?
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
Don't Israel have quite a considerable amount of tech industries these days? Be nice to get some official input from that.
I put my books on Amazon, Smashwords, Demonoid, ISOHunt and Pirate Bay. Search for 'Michael Cargill'
... joins any major international body in the 80's during their Apartheid ?...
Just wondering what the reaction would have been....
Just like then, I think BDS in a reasonnable mean to push the parties to make peace in the Middle-East...
For a military state such as Israel, it is impressive that every now and then they come up with innovations; not very many, but they do come up with them.
Personally, I think one shouldn't rigidly judge citizens of a state by the macroscopic behavior of their state- just because some of their state officials act as nationalistic fascists with no respect for human life, it doesn't mean that all of the population approves. I think everybody deserves a chance to prove themselves.
The three laws of thermodynamics:(1) You can't win. (2) You can't break even. (3) You can't even quit.
For advertising their part as being saviors of Jews from the evil fascists, the European left wing parties and their supporters are surprisingly antisemitic, and gravitate towards even more drastic antisemitic movements, such as the European islamists and Palestinian leadership. Outside the Islamic world there aren't many political groups that would have made so much in order to discriminate israeli and the Jews. It's a real surprise to me that this really affects decisions as high and far from political harangue as CERN.
Israel has strong ties by both Europe and western culture, is run by a real democracy supporting free speech and it has high level of scientific expertise, interest in scientific inquiry and capable researchers. Palestinians, on the other hand have none of these, because their leadership doesn't value them. Why the decisions of Israel's membership in CERN should depend on Palestinians' and their supporters opinions, instead of Israel's capabilities?
"It is a vital part of our mission to build bridges between nations."
I thought CERN was all about science. What's this about building bridges?
Get off my launchpad!
If it is not the academic elite that are to place pressure on Israeli politics, then who? Hit them where it hurts.
Politics IS a science. And science has politics. I wonder how many potential Palestinian scientists have gone undetected, untrained and unfunded?
Yes and no. There are very good reasons for keeping certain scientific results "secret". Even Einstein did that. Handing a criminal and inhumane state like Israel results without a filter in between is irresponsible.
All that aside: What Israel is doing in an institution, which has "European" in its name, is beyond questionable.
What's more interesting to me than Israel joining specifically, is the "first non-European member of the European Organization for Nuclear Research". Is Israel simply an exception, or will CERN be moving to less of a European focus in the future? For example, Turkey has applied for membership; will they eventually join? Could other in-the-region-of-Europe states like Egypt join?
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Hopefully if the other CERN scientists visit Israel by ship, Israel won't have commandos rappel onto the boat and begin machine-gunning the passengers.
And hopefully the CERN scientists won't be lying in wait with knives and bats to attack.
Seriously, the guns only came out after the "activists" captured and nearly killed several Israelis who were using minimal force.
Israel is a science, technology and engineering powerhouse. A little research turned up that Israel ranks fourth in the world in scientific activity as measured by the number of scientific publications per million citizens and that Israel's percentage of the total number of scientific articles published worldwide is almost 10 times higher than its percentage of the world's population. (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-ranks-fourth-in-the-world-in-scientific-activity-study-finds-1.4034). It's no wonder that CERN would be more than happy to welcome them as a member.
UEFA (soccer) and they participate in the Eurovision song contest.
Turkey is in a similiar scenario.
Nothing earth-shattering except I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner.
Wearing pants should always be optional.
If Gaza is not Israel, then why did Israel have commandos with machine guns rappel onto a flotilla boat bringing food to people in Gaza? As far as the "area under their control", the area in the case of the flotilla raid was international waters. You know, international waters, like where the USS Liberty was when Israel killed 34 of its crew. It's funny how people sailing on a ship with food in international waters are the ones "agressively awaiting to attack any Israely they see", while the commandos rappelling onto the boat with machine guns (the "any Israelys (sic) they see" I guess) are not the aggressive ones. The Israeli commandos were armed with machine guns, the flotilla passengers were armed with nothing but pieces of wood from the mast and knives they grabbed from the kitchen.
I have the feeling you're an anti-semite or want to legalize gambling or something
and join the NPT.
As long as Israel commits crimes against humanity, engage in race discrimination, ethnic cleansing etc. they have no business in Europe. Their nuclear arms is also an issue that directly should concern CERN. We dont want to help other countries build better bombs, or is Iran invited too?
Just imagine if people had the balls to say no to Germany back in the day? Well, here is our chance to prove ourselves worty to be humans and to stop ignoring the atrocities.
What a poetic post, maybe we should translate it to Aramaic, put it to music, and sing it once a year?
I thought CERN was all about science. What's this about building bridges?
CERN was founded in the post second world war period. Part of its aim was to build bridges between nations THROUGH science since it was well recognised that science provides a common goal to work towards and that scientists are usually pretty open minded about most things. It certainly worked for me - as a Brit I now have many friends and colleagues scattered around the globe from a huge variety of different national, cultural and religious backgrounds thanks to CERN.
Politics have no business in science.
Accuracy does though - Israel is becoming and associate member NOT a full member of CERN. There is a difference!
in a land where people live peacefully, legitimacy is derived from the consent of the will of the people. in a land where people are in conflict, legitimacy is derived from force
it would be ideal if the land in question were legitimately ruled by what people consent to. but the people who live there are all too happy to reach for bombs and guns, and so they have decided that the way of the bomb and the gun is what rules their lands. blaming outsiders is a convenient excuse for one's own failures. outsiders would have no rhyme or reason to get involved if one side or the other weren't asking outsiders to get involved: there'd be no way in, all sides would repulse the outsiders. but in a land where calling in foreign powers is perfectly acceptable because hatred of your neighbor because they are sunni, or kurd, or whatever, is more important than regional solidarity, is a land that will never rule itself
the best thing about the Arab Spring is that those who spearheaded the overthrow of deeply unpopular governments insisted on no violence. because they knew this was all the excuse the government needed to respond with it's own violence. in this way, they won their own country
now the question remains if the discipline of this path of no violence can be adhered to. unfortunately, the middle east is fractured by ancient vendettas and conflicts, between religions and tribes. it is very hard for such a land to be ruled by peace. too many are hellbent on blood as the only answer, to conflicts which are best left aside
the arab world will never have peace, growth, and prosperity until the arab world itself, regardless of what outsiders do, put aside their own internal conflicts
what is legitimate in the arab world? ideally, what arabs want, decided peacefully. it is up to arabs themselves to reach for peace themselves, as the Arab Spring shows, that is the way they free themselves form oppression, foreign, yes, but mostly domestic
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The only interest Israel wants with CERN is better job security for spies.
This is a joke, right? I can't imagine a country that's more European than Israel.
My "dispute" is calling Israel a democracy. "Arabs in the west bank are not Israeli citizens, they're a people who live in disputed territories" Yes, that's the point, Arabs in the west bank do not get to vote or have Israeli citizenship. Ergo, Israel is not a democracy.
Israel to become Associate Member State of CERN
Geneva 16 September 2011. CERN Director General Rolf Heuer and Israeli Ambassador and Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations Office and
other International Organizations in Geneva, H.E. Mr. Aharon Leshno-Yaar today signed a document admitting Israel to CERN Associate Membership, subject to
ratification by the Knesset. Following ratification, Israel will become an Associate Member of CERN for a minimum period of 24 months. Following this period,
CERN Council will decide on the admission of Israel to full Membership, taking into account the recommendations of a task force to be appointed for this purpose.
Israel has a long-standing relationship with CERN, and has been an Observer at the CERN Council since 1991.
“It is a vital part of our mission to build bridges between nations. This agreement enriches us scientifically, and is an important step in that direction,” said CERN
Director General Rolf Heuer. “I am very pleased that CERN’s relationship with Israel is moving to a higher level.”
“I am very happy with this decision,” said Eliezer Rabinovici, Professor and Director of the Institute for Advanced Study at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem
and Israel’s scientific observer to Council. “I view it as recognition of the Israeli contributions, both scientific and technological to CERN over the years. The Israeli
scientific community is looking forward to the continuation of this joint adventure.”
Israel has a strong tradition in both experimental and theoretical particle physics, with a major involvement in the OPAL experiment at CERN’s flagship
accelerator through the 1990s, the Large Electron Positron collider. Israel’s accession to Observer status in 1991 followed an agreement to contribute funds to the
CERN budget to support Israeli scientists, as well as providing equipment to CERN. The Israeli fund also contributed to LEP running, supported LHC construction
and R&D for future accelerators. During its association with CERN, Israel has also supported Palestinian students at CERN,
notably sending mixed Israeli-Palestinian contingents to CERN’s summer student programme.
In 2009, Israel was accepted as a special Observer State, with the right to attend restricted Council sessions for discussions of LHC matters. Israel currently has
a strong involvement in the ATLAS experiment, and participates in a number of other experiments at CERN.
If you shut yourself off from criticism, you are willfully ignorant. Be so, if you wish, but don't call yourself "intellectual" or an academic.
Funny, I could say the same to you.
Right, politics aren't intrinsically linked to sharing of energy and arms research. I'm sure they'll cooperate, collaborate, and exchange with Iran too, as soon as a regime change happens to happen. But Netanyahu's "Nuclearly Ambiguous" Israel is a perfectly stable, sensible ally to trade nuclear research with. All in the name of science, of course.
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2010/10/montreal-activists-launch-campus.html
send + more == money?
Germany in the 30's made a concerted effort to rid German physics of Jewish influence., See how well it worked out for them.
I wonder how science and creationism fit into the jews religious perspective?
Is Israel going to pay them, or do they get a free pass like usual?
Ban them everywhere until the agree to act like international citizens and not an apartheid race based society.
What if some of that science is used to kill more Palestinians? Or used to clone European passports? Or used to invade its neighbours? Or used to subvert US politics?
I don't want Israel involved in European affairs, anymore than I want my passport data made available to them, it is none of their business.
Great they will be able to make a neutron gun to fire on Palestinians from space. Use that old reactor that does nothing put produce plutonium and is still running 20 years past its useby date and was built using stolen technology. Perhaps find a god partial and claim ownership based on an existing patent on god. Wouldn't it have been better to BDS the god particle?
Surely the membership of CERN should have had the wherewithal to consider the plight of their fellow scientist VANUNU, and asked for his release prior to openly sharing data with a nuclear bbully. Oh wait just a moment, theyre not even bound by START or the Nuke NPT, so i guess CERNS all kosher.
"The war you don't see" by John Pilger http://www.fluxradio.org/thewar.zip After watching it, I think it is enough to make anyone barf and the corruption of the BBC
Now everything will be owned by the SENMACE corporations. The laws of the nations will be used to generate from the public commons within the CERN communities many discoveries paid for by the taxing paying people of the other nations that freely participate there, which discoveries will end up victim to copyright or patent packages to be sold off to the "profit making chests" of the feudal lord SENMACE.
Monopolies [copyright, patent, and license of the pieces of the public commons] created from thin air, by a rule of law made by one of the nations have allowed a very few to accumulate and own all and to quash other independent competition of whatever kind simply by call on the nation that made the law to enforce it.
Humanity has made its life in patent prison.
before these threads turn into all-out cries of "Kill the perfidious Jews!"