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Italy Prepares '"One Strike" Anti-Piracy Law

angry tapir writes "The Italian government is preparing an anti-piracy law that could ban Internet users from access after one alleged copyright infringement, a lawyer and an analyst warned. ISPs would be required to use filters against services that infringe copyright, trademark or patents under terms of the draft law. The proposed changes to Italy's e-commerce directive were drafted in July by members of parliament belonging to the Il Popolo della Libertà (PdL) party of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi."

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  1. Filtering traffic eh? by GeneralTurgidson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So anything that gets by this amazing filter isnt considered piracy? Sweet.

  2. In Other Words by cosm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Italian government is acting as the protector of corporate profits. What a white knight they are! Can there be a "One Strike" bad politician law so that after their first major fuck-up they get to go to federal PMIA prison for a minimum of 1 year? What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

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    1. Re:In Other Words by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, more directly of Berlusconi's corporate profits. Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me. A crook, a disgusting old letch, and on top of it a complete ass, who for all his vaunted business skills, is still overseeing the drive to keep Italy one of the "I"s in "PIIGS".

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    2. Re:In Other Words by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why the Italians haven't drowned this guy in the Tiber is quite beyond me.

      I'm not so sure he can be drowned. Judging from the quality of the poontang he gets, he must be able to breathe through his ears.

      Either that or the women are just hookers, which is probably more likely.

      You would think that if the people of Italy didn't drown Berlusconi for the way he's run the country, at least they'd drown him for having sex with an underage girl. But after having spent years living and working in Italy, I'm comfortable saying that most Italians don't really believe women are fully human. Women in Italy are treated at least as badly as those in the most conservative muslim countries, albeit in a less obviously ugly way. And I say this as the son of Italian immigrants. As a people they've got a lot to recommend them, but respect for women is not part of it.

      Hell, just last year an Italian man was given a suspended sentence after being found guilty of murdering his wife because she had been "disrespectful".

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    3. Re:In Other Words by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      You mean showing disapproval of the Italian PM hiring underage hookers is "injecting my sexual politics"?

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    4. Re:In Other Words by Rhywden · · Score: 2

      Well, it is. There's no legitimate reason for prostitution to be illegal and "underage" is an entirely arbitrary notion and changes from country to country.

      The problem is not so much the hookers but where he gets them from - the guy supplying the hookers is another crook...

  3. Mamma Mia! by Master+Moose · · Score: 2

    Now I know many countries have proposed or implemented a 3 strike law (much like my own - NZ) mostly to cosy up to the US.

    How cosy does Italy want to be?

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  4. This will never fly by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But that's not the point of this bill.

    It's the industry proposing something just short of decapitation, versus the current situation that non-profit file sharing is explicitly legal.

    Somewhere in the middle is "compromise" where everyone loses except the rent-seeking gatekeepers of culture.

    "See, it wasn't as bad as what we wanted"

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    1. Re:This will never fly by mgiuca · · Score: 4, Informative

      "See, it wasn't as bad as what we wanted"

      This technique is so common that there's a name for it: The Door-in-the-face technique.

      The persuader attempts to convince someone to comply with a request by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down, with a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request. ... A reference point construal may explain this phenomenon, as the initial bad offer sets a reference point from which the second offer looks like an improvement.

    2. Re:This will never fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What compromise ?

      "I want to be able to down load music legally".... that happened
      "I only want 1 track not the whole album" .... that happened
      "Its too expensive".... and yet in real terms music has never been cheaper
      "We only want to audit the music" .... if that were true then 8bit, mono, 22KHz sampled music would suffice, however it all seems to be the highest quality

      The truth is there is only 1 compromise that would be acceptable, all music must be free, and the musicians should get a "real job" if they want to earn money because as soon as the music becomes free then live concerts will be considered a "rip off" as "the quality is not as good", "they did not play the songs I like","its too expensive".... etc.

    3. Re:This will never fly by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      You make some good points, though it was probably smart to post anon. We have gotten most everything we ever asked for.

      And while it might not be a popular opinion, I take no issue with people selling music. I do think the trillion dollar suits, and various other obscene reactions against anyone that shares songs, are totally absurd.

    4. Re:This will never fly by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I want to use the music I buy on the medium I choose.
      I want to archive and store it where and how I please.
      I want to watch a movie without hours of ads for movies I don't give half a shit about.
      I want to store those movies on my (media) server hard drive instead of discs, which are prone to break and which I'd have to find first of all in the mess of my apartment.
      I want to play the games I buy without having to have a connection to the internet if it is not required for the game to work.
      I want to use software without handing in everything but my shoe size about me before it allows me to use it.
      I want to record and time shift shows off TV the way I see fit and I expect the ads to be skipable. That technology was already very available on Betamax.

      need I go on?

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    5. Re:This will never fly by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I want to not get punished for things I haven't even done just because someone claims I did it."
      How's that for a start?

      There's a reason why due process exists. This type of law is a punishment without a court being involved. It is not necessary to be proven guilty. It suffices that someone claims you are. That's what's bad about it. That's several orders of magnitude more important than any question of copyright. It's about the foundation of the rule of law. Due process. No punishment without conviction. That's what this is about. Therefore it's also completely irrelevant here what you think about downloading of music. I'd be against this type of law even if it were about murder, despite the fact that I definitely do not think murder should be legalized.

      Again, this is not about the legality of music download. This is about the foundation of the rule of law.

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    6. Re:This will never fly by peppepz · · Score: 2
      Compromise? There should be no compromises about people's rights.

      I don't give a crap about music or movies and I don't want the copyright industry to bypass the judiciary system, to violate my privacy, to impose expensive and problematic filtering systems that *I* am going to pay whether I pirate music or not, to extort a fraction of my money every time I buy a blank medium because I *might* copy some music, or every time I pay my university fees because I *might* copy some book.

      In particular, I don't want anyone but a judge to have a say about my right to access the Internet.

      Given that, they can do whatever they want to protect their own rights.

    7. Re:This will never fly by Kjella · · Score: 2

      And if they don't want to sell on those conditions, have you justified downloading it off TPB or using AnyDVD or a nocd crack? Don't get me wrong, I see plenty wrong with what the MAFIAA is doing. But capitalism is supposed to be about voluntary transactions, where the seller has just as much right to not sell as the buyer has to not buy. And that the terms of the sale are binding, neither party can just unilaterally decide that I don't like them so I'll just break or ignore those conditions. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint and ignore certain parts where I think the market and the law has completely screwed us over but your list of demands sound like an ultimatum. That you're entitled to always have it your way, which isn't really the case.

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    8. Re:This will never fly by Cwix · · Score: 2

      They want to sell me the same movie multiple times, one for my tv, one for my computer, one for my phone.

      I do not wish to buy it multiple times. The MPAA should consider themselves lucky when someone buys one copy and puts it on other devices, instead of just getting it from the pirate bay.

      The cost is almost negligible to distribute the movie/music online. The price of the product should reflect that. It does not.

      I refuse to consume their wares because of this greedy attitude of theirs.

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  5. Shooting themselves in the foot by jspenguin1 · · Score: 3

    If this passes, every single MP that votes for this will suddenly find hundreds of copyright complaints against them...

  6. Ironic... by Brahma111 · · Score: 2

    It's ironic that the very openness of Internet that made it so popular itself is being challenged. This type of Draconian law has the potential to snowball into a much bigger piece of sh*t where content provider and producers can twist the law to gain all sort of mileage. It also doesn't behoove well for the sophisticated search engines. Heck..providing anything other than a link to the actual content might become illegal altogether. The case of Belgian newspapers going after Google news is not going to be one of case.

  7. So Youtube will be blocked in Italy? by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2

    So Youtube will be blocked in Italy?

    Frankly this is just dumb. The internet is full of all kinds of copyright infringement. Even the giant corporations like AOL, Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc are all benefiting from the free exchange, linking, and displaying of other people's media/content without any contract.

    Just go to huffingtonpost and see how many articles they link to, that they didnt write. Go to Youtube, and view all of the videos that violate copyright,

    The entire internet is based on sharing content.

  8. The 1980s called. by scottbomb · · Score: 2

    They have this technology called a dial-up BBS the Italians might be interested in. I see a market for the development of high-speed dial-up modems and a resurrection for land-line telephones.

  9. Silvio Berlusconi by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 2

    Il Duce reborn.

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  10. Ban Cisco from the Internet ? by bug1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cisco violated the GPL with Linksys.

    Lets see Italy ban Cisco from using the internet.

    What, the law only applies to individuals violating for personal use, its ok for companies to violating copyright for financial reasons. I get it now,

    MAFIAA is strong in Italy

  11. BRILLIANT! by Sasayaki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wholeheartedly support this "One Strike" law. As the first barrage in the torrent (heh!) of complaints, let me fire this one off:

    http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-steals-code-violates-linkware-license/

    I demand 100% complete disconnection of the MPAA, including subsidaries, partent companies, any company where any member of the MPAA (or subsidaries, parent companies, etc) is a shareholder in whole or in part, from ALL Italian users. They cannot connect to ANY Italian IP address, on pain of defying a court order (or whatever the punishment is for evading the 'one strike' law).

    Any "evidence" gathered against Italian internet users is null and void because in order to gather that evidence they had broken the "one strike" rule in Italy. And, of course, the MPAA would never download something they didn't actually own the rights to, therefore committing copyright infringement themselves, right? Never? ...

    Oh wait, the laws don't apply to those who make them? The MPAA is allowed to commit the worst kind of copyright infringement -- claiming you created something you didn't, and then using it for commercial purposes and making a bunch of money with it -- and that doesn't count as a strike? Because they are immune to their own law?

    Oh damn.

    Well, it was a nice thought anyway.

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  12. Re:Welcome to even worse class disparity by mywhitewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or, much more likely they inherited opportunities that aren't afforded to others. Once you have an advantage (ie money for the rich), then its prudent to keep on using your advantage to leverage yourself some more advantage... (ie, it's a lot easier to make money when you already have some).

    if they use that money to affect politics in ways that the majority are against, then the working class are already at a disadvantage as they can't afford to compete in the same domain.

    It has nothing to do with intelligence.

  13. Re:Are these the same dipshits by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    And both have a leader you can't spell right as a foreigner and who is batshit insane. Essentially, Italy is Iran without oil but more corruption.

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  14. Re:pirate party by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    You overestimate the smarts of the Italians and underestimate the amount of power Don Silvio wields over the media. Imagine Fox News (and affiliates) with a market share of about 95%. And now try to wrest the power from the Reps.

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  15. Not quite the truth by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    They are on trial for stating that it was SAFE despite numerious warnings. The claim is that because people where told it was safe, they returned to their houses to sleep inside and died. Those that didn't listen to the scientists saying it was safe stayed outside for the night and were safe.

    The scientist in question could have said, "We don't know, there are a lot of shocks, they might be the lead in fora big one, they might not". Then people would have chosen the safe options and slept outside and not have died.

    The real case is in finding out WHY the lead scientist was so willing to say it was SAFE, which is MAKING A PREDICTION, when you claim no prediction can be made.

    This case is NOT about scientist being unable to make a prediction, the case is why they made a prediction they now claim they couldn't make.

    And if you look more into the case, the scientists might have had other motives then the welfare of the people when they made the claim it was SAFE.

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  16. Re:Not surprising from that party by leenks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The profound incompetence is a given in politics.

    There, fixed it for you.