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An Operating System For Cities

CProgrammer98 writes "BBC News reports that cities may soon get their own operating system. From the article: 'The Urban OS works just like a PC operating system but keeps buildings, traffic and services running smoothly. The software takes in data from sensors dotted around the city to keep an eye on what is happening. In the event of a fire, the Urban OS might manage traffic lights so fire trucks can reach the blaze swiftly. The sensors monitor everything from large scale events such as traffic flows across the entire city down to more local phenomena such as temperature sensors inside individual rooms. The OS completely bypasses humans to manage communication between sensors and devices such as traffic lights, air conditioning or water pumps that influence the quality of city life."

216 comments

  1. And they called it... by Firemouth · · Score: 2

    Skynet!

    1. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you live in the Floating City of I dunno, Dalaran.

      But the rest of us just have GroundNet

    2. Re:And they called it... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      Seriously, flying city... technology... and you think of Dalaran?

      *pulls out a light saber*
      Geek card. Now.

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    3. Re:And they called it... by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Sorry, he was already murdered by an enraged Lobot

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    4. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What can I say? I don' t have a Blu-Ray player so I haven't had a reason to worship at George Lucas's latest money-grubbing altar, so the only thing I've even thought about Star Wars wise is the Old Republic, and that's because of the Steam Sale last week.

      My Black Diamond Geek Card stays in the Wallet though, I was actually on Gary Gygax's porch once. By invitation. Sadly the luck dice didn't pan out.

    5. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was actually on Gary Gygax's porch once. By invitation. Sadly the luck dice didn't pan out.

      No goodnight kiss?

    6. Re:And they called it... by xclr8r · · Score: 2

      Whomever thought of this obviously did not watch the Battle Star Galactica series that came out last decade. I welcome our new Cylon overlords.. that is.. if I haven't been incinerated from the sky 1st.

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    7. Re:And they called it... by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Run, Anon. I'll CC Star Wars boy!

      *casts entangling roots on ByOhTek*

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    8. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? last I checked Cylons were robots, not a citywide computer.

    9. Re:And they called it... by X0563511 · · Score: 2

      No worries. We were going to wait to tell you, but we might as well do so now. You're a Cylon too!

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    10. Re:And they called it... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      I don't own the tapes, DVDs, Blu-Rays or any downloaded... so, I worship at the altar less than most here. That doesn't mean the reference isn't painfully obvious, and more appropriate than a fantasy one.

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    11. Re:And they called it... by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      I'm not obsessed with Star Wars, it's just in a tech-setting reference, I don't believe WoW is appropriate.

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    12. Re:And they called it... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Under central robotic authority, making the mobile robots its sensors.

      They have WiFi.

      All hail The Imperious Leader.

    13. Re:And they called it... by i_ate_god · · Score: 1

      Thinkum Dinkum

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    14. Re:And they called it... by Zephyn · · Score: 1

      No, they called it the Superintendent. In addition to the standard functionality of maintaining traffic and city services, it also has the capability to lead friendly soldiers to weapons caches and plot devices in the event of an alien invasion.

    15. Re:And they called it... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      This isn't really relevant, but I'm kinda curious - why do you think that the subject in that sentence needs to be in the accusative?

      I see people do this sometimes and it's just baffling.

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    16. Re:And they called it... by ArundelCastle · · Score: 1

      Whatever, grandpa. Don't you play Halo? It's the Superintendent. ;)

    17. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So wait, you're saying Star Wars isn't fantasy?

      WOW is just as Sci-Fi as Star Wars, and possibly less Fantasy.

    18. Re:And they called it... by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 1

      Since we're really all just living in a simulation anyway, my first thought was of our glorious Master Control Program.

      All hail the MCP, under pain of deresolution.

    19. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > implying that an entire expansion of WoW wasn't dedicated to starfaring civilizations being marooned on Azeroth by the crash landing of their spaceship.
      > implying that the entire mythology of Star Wars isn't permeated with primal forces being manipulated by practitioners of arcane knowledge.

      Yeah, you're right - it's plainly evident that WoW is totally irrelevant in this scenario.

      Pro tip: change "midichlorians" to "arcane forces," and your precious jedi are fucking frost mages with cool glowy weapon enchants, and the sith are a couple affliction warlocks and death knights.

    20. Re:And they called it... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Whomever thought of this obviously did not watch the Battle Star Galactica series that came out last decade.

      This isn't really relevant, but I'm kinda curious - why do you think that the subject in that sentence needs to be in the accusative?

      Well, it made sense to me, because xclr8r was clearly making an accusation. Wouldn't you expect the subject of an accusation to be in accusitive form?

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    21. Re:And they called it... by EdZ · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I DID watch the new Battlestar Galactica. We can only hope any actual malevolent AIs are as stunningly incompetent as the Cylons.

    22. Re:And they called it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you must be another Beta Tester for the Old Republic.

    23. Re:And they called it... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Can't argue with that.

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    24. Re:And they called it... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      I suppose that's exactly the kind of pedantry my comment invites.

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  2. and it will never happen.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    City governments cant keep the basics running smoothly. How the hell are they going to maintain a giant sensor network like that?

    there are 4 streetlights in my neighborhood that never work right. if they cant get that working, they will never get a complex system working. City governments do not run like a business. Preventative maintenance is not an option.

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    1. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they never work right because the people they hired to make are usually the lowest bidder. There's no qualitative and comparative assessment. It really should be a competition contest based selection process, not a lowest bidder assessment.

      Also we vote ppl that don't know anything about the real world. they are so specialized in political intrigue, what else do they have in their heads? Specialization is slow death.

    2. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My city has a great digital traffic infrastructure, but when it fails, it fails catastrophically. Drivers revert to "biggest car has the right of way" rules at intersections. Pedestrians are unable to cross streets. Seriously, if there ever is a SkyNet, it won't need to attack us. It just needs to stop functioning after a few years of flawless service. We'll take care of the rest ourselves.

      But my point was, even when cities can get these things up and running, they seem to be unable to afford the redundancy needed to keep them working, allowing small failures to cascade out.

    3. Re:and it will never happen.... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      City governments cant keep the basics running smoothly. How the hell are they going to maintain a giant sensor network like that?

      there are 4 streetlights in my neighborhood that never work right. if they cant get that working, they will never get a complex system working. City governments do not run like a business. Preventative maintenance is not an option.

      City OS will be, like its present analog, infected with the the Politics Worm. Says it all, really.

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    4. Re:and it will never happen.... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think disabling all traffic lights and turning off stop signs every Sunday would help a lot. People would have to re-learn the traffic rules they have forgotten, like yield to right and do not block intersection on pain of nightstick.

      No, I am NOT kidding.

    5. Re:and it will never happen.... by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 1

      I missed the "n't" and "can't keep" originally.

      Yeah, I live in an area where laying off the entire police force is seen as a creative way to save money, and the State and Local governments can't agree who owns what road. A sensor system would blow their minds.

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    6. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "there are 4 streetlights in my neighborhood that never work right. "

      RTFA. It's not designed for 3rd world states like the United States.
      This is for countries who pay taxes for this kind of stuff.

    7. Re:and it will never happen.... by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      The sparks will fly from the bugs in the code.... literally!

      So I will be emailing City OS support stating I want my street light on sooner, and if their software supports it. Oh, and I also want it to turn off when I'm asleep, so it doesn't shine in my window.

      List of sample city OS support emails, starts w this parent!! gogo.

    8. Re:and it will never happen.... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      I think disabling all traffic lights and turning off stop signs every Sunday would help a lot. People would have to re-learn the traffic rules they have forgotten, like yield to right and do not block intersection on pain of nightstick.

      No, I am NOT kidding.

      I don't think most people have forgotten the laws, they choose to ignore them. Common courtesy on the road is a near dead thing in some areas.

      I recently visited Seattle and was quite amazed how courteous most drivers were, compared to California maniacs.

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    9. Re:and it will never happen.... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      No kidding, it all depends on where you are and what the situation is. I was in a mid sized city in WI when a storm knocked out power to the area, going through an intersection with three to four lanes coming from each direction and no stoplights was... well, it wasn't unstressful, but it did work. People knew what the rules were and followed them. I experienced the same situation with similar traffic levels in a much larger city less than a year later and it led to complete gridlock.

    10. Re:and it will never happen.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      we pay the taxes, it's just we elect sociopath retards with IQ's under 90 to run things.

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    11. Re:and it will never happen.... by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Every time lights go out in my city, everyone just treats them like stop signs.

      A few months back, the busiest intersection in town had all of its lights suddenly turn green while I was at it. No accidents during the time I was there. I was at the back of the line, so it was a few minutes.

      Effectively, it turned into a round-robin right-of-way. There were multiple lanes, so several cars were able to go at the same time, but no were near as many as when the lights worked properly. Some times cars would "burst" in groups. So 3-4 would turn at the same time, then the 5th person just waited to let the strait lane go. etc etc.

    12. Re:and it will never happen.... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I think that people in rural areas are less stressed in general, and handle this better. I could be wrong, but road rage seems to be a phenomenon linked to big cities or overly regulated traffic.

    13. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the point of this to alleviate the hassles of running a city? The whole idea is that this system will do a lot of automated work for you, meaning that once they pay lots of money to some vendor to purchase and set up the equipment, you can relax a bit. In reality, however, managing this network will entail its own set of duties, but the thinking is that maintaining a computer system (or rather, paying someone else to), is less work than managing the city resources themselves. That said, this idea is not yet ready for primetime.

    14. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try Phoenix, AZ, then...

    15. Re:and it will never happen.... by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 1

      Many places already do this, turning lights to flashing yellow/red on weekends. But, it's usually smaller towns, and the yellow flashes on the main road of the intersection so that traffic doesn't stop at all.

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    16. Re:and it will never happen.... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Some places in Europe do this. In fact they've removed some intersection lights entirely, turning them into "anarchy zones."

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    17. Re:and it will never happen.... by russotto · · Score: 1

      City governments cant keep the basics running smoothly. How the hell are they going to maintain a giant sensor network like that?

      Who would let them? You sell the network to the government, install it, and from that point on it maintains itself. City officials who try to make "adjustments" have "accidents".

    18. Re:and it will never happen.... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      The big shiny $30k SUVs always yield to my little Suzuki Samurai. Exposed steel bars have that effect. Sure, run into me, you'll have to give up this year's vacation plans, and I'll just have to stop at the hardware store on the way home.

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    19. Re:and it will never happen.... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's still regulated. What's needed is a reminder on how to drive when streets are unregulated, so the drivers are prepared for and won't make a total mess when there are power outages.

    20. Re:and it will never happen.... by WasteOfAmmo · · Score: 1

      I don't think most people have forgotten the laws, they choose to ignore them. Common courtesy on the road is a near dead thing in some areas.

      I agree with the common courtesy point however regarding the forgetting of laws, I think you may be sadly surprised if you polled people around your area. Example: I live in a neighbourhood with grid streets and mostly uncontrolled intersections. Over the years it has not ceased to surprise me how many people have stupid ideas on what the laws are regarding uncontrolled intersections. I have had persons argue with me stating that if you are traveling East/West that you have the right of way. I have also had persons argue the same for traveling North/South.

      Other "laws" I have had "explained to me":
      - if driver A is Northbound and turning left at a green light, and driver B is Southbound and turning right at the same intersection then driver B must yield to driver A. However if Driver B is not turning but going straight then driver A must yield. (at least the last part is correct)
      - construction zones are 60km/h, even when the construction zone is in a posted normally 50km/h zone.
      - in uncontrolled intersections you must yield to the right even when you are clearly the first person at the intersection and have enough time to safely proceed through the intersection before the car on the right arrives at the intersection.

      Have a similar stories... post them below.

      I'm now middle aged and for years I have supported the idea of mandatory re-tests every so often. Even to the point of a written test on the 5th, 15th, 25th, ... and a driven test on the 10th, 20th, 30th... year of driving. When you have been driving for 25+ years things change, new features come into play, you forget details, etc. A refresher should not be out of the question.

    21. Re:and it will never happen.... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I recently visited Seattle and was quite amazed how courteous most drivers were, compared to California maniacs.

      I visited L.A. recently (Orange County actually), and was quite amazed at how rational and decent most drivers were, compared to the morons here in Phoenix, Arizona.

    22. Re:and it will never happen.... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, I live in Tempe, and this city (the metro area overall, not just Tempe) is probably the worst place I've ever driven. The only place that was comparable was D.C. DC's actually worse in a way, though: it has potholes that will literally total your car. At least the roads here in Phx are all in pretty good shape, but the drivers are either maniacs or morons. Part of the problem seems to be that there's no consistency to anyone's driving; everyone has a totally different style.

    23. Re:and it will never happen.... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      As someone who reprocesses sensor data from Caltrain's freeway traffic sensors, I have to agree with you. A third of those sensors do not work at all. And since they're only sensors, and are not visible to the general public, nor are they really a safety issue, I doubt that they'll get fixed anytime soon.

      Taking a top-down city planning approach may seem super attractive to city administrators. After all, it would make central city planning seemingly more powerful and more Sim City like, but such an approach almost never takes into account all the workarounds, data massaging, and the pragmatic human fixes that take place every single day at the much lower echelons.

    24. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire NW area is that way. Generally speaking, we're a polite and courteous bunch.

      Except when you cut us off.

      I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the common road-rage shootings that occur in that area of the country.

    25. Re:and it will never happen.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      The best thing for right-of-weigh is primer. People respect primer: nothing says "sure let's trade paint" as much as the signs that you do your own bodywork and can't even be bothered to finish.

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    26. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, how do you turn off a stop sign? It's just a hunk of metal attached to another hunk of metal - no power required.

    27. Re:and it will never happen.... by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I think that people in rural areas are less stressed in general, and handle this better. I could be wrong, but road rage seems to be a phenomenon linked to big cities or overly regulated traffic.

      It's linked more directly to anywhere someone believes they can get away with their rotten attitude to "sharing the road." I've known rural drivers who've tried to make a game of passing on the shoulder, tailgating, rolling through stops while another car, with the right of way, is already moving through it and seeing if they can prevent you merging onto a highway with a speed-up and slow-down manoeuver. There's jerks everywhere, just more common in certain areas.

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    28. Re:and it will never happen.... by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Rural Wisconsin does not have intersections with 3-4? lanes of traffic each way. Unless it's 3-4 lanes of cows:)

      We are generally pretty nice on the roads, especially in the case of an emergency like a power outage.

      Now the round-abouts are gonna beat the nice right outta us through! Granny better grow a set, or she's gonna be stuck there forever! They a installed a two lane round-about in front of every Walgreens in my town! Must be trying to reduce the average age here or something... Always blue hair, and honking horns:) Now a new concealed carry law too! Beep... Beep... Bang!!!

      Cheers

    29. Re:and it will never happen.... by spauldo · · Score: 1

      I think it's a mixture of the two, with environmental factors weighing in as well.

      You do get jerks everywhere, but the frequency and context you encounter the jerks in makes a big difference.

      If 2% of drivers are asshats, in a small town, you'll encounter one every now and again. If you're in Dallas at 5:15 PM on 35E heading toward Denton, you've probably got several of them in sight. You'll notice them more because you're stressed out.

      Then again, some areas seem to breed bad drivers. I've seen more insanity in Dallas than I have anywhere, with LA coming up a close second. Driving in Oklahoma City isn't too bad. Kansas seems to breed drivers who drive ten miles below the speed limit on two lane highways and fail to understand basic driving techniques such as turn signal usage or the ability to turn a corner faster than one mile per hour. Northern states seem to breed people who can't drive after a fresh snow (my theory is that northern states clean their roads often enough that drivers don't develop the skillset), while central states seem to have the best inclement weather drivers. Texas drivers freak out in the rain.

      You also have different highway designs in different cities. Dallas' freeway system is like spaghetti thrown over a relief map. Houston, on the other hand, is logical, but travel off the freeway is aggravation personified. St. Louis, if you don't count the I55 bridge and its haphazard exits, works really well; I rarely slow down because of rush hour traffic on the freeway. The state tree of Florida seems to be the stoplight, which is made worse by how the freeway systems and the state highway system try to avoid each other at all costs. How a highway system is constructed makes a big difference.

      (I know I've demonized Dallas quite a bit here. I do so because I've never seen a metropolitan area that was more aggravating and pointless to drive in than Dallas and the surrounding area. I'd rather drive through Compton than Farmer's Branch.)

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    30. Re:and it will never happen.... by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      more power to the people :p or else more power to the skynet?

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    31. Re:and it will never happen.... by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      If your government is so incompetent why do you keep voting the same people in? I suspect that some people in the USA would not give credit to any government function no matter how efficient and cost effective it was as they have a strong belief that government is the problem no matter what the facts say. And the fact is that good government exists all around the world and is huge part of our current era of peace and prosperity.

      What era of peace and prosperity you ask? If you look at the facts, and not headlines, you will see that the percentage of people dying by violence has never been lower in all of history.

      In Canada we vote for competent people and government generally functions well. The basics get done correctly, and cost effectively. We do have idiots that want to, and do, spend huge amounts of money on unnecessary stadium roofs and other boondogles, but generally the day to day operation of government works well. Even the boondogles are of good quality.

      So stop voting for people who think iron age myths trump science and you might get some good government.

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    32. Re:and it will never happen.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Canadian, I think our only saving grace isn't more intelligent politicians (they aren't), but a more hide-bound bureaucracy. The politicians may be visited by the good-idea-fairy, but they are scrubbed down to reality by the faceless bureaucrat that has been there for 20 years and can't be bothered to implement some dumb-asses whim.

  3. Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It sounds like an integration of what's already out there. But when you centralize control, you also centralize failure.

    Seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion ?

    1. Re:Nice by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Arguably, much of the interest in centralization seems to be a mixture of telcom, database, and analytics outfits looking for a problem to which they have a solution in stock, along with an e-penis competition among municipal and emergency services types about who can have the coolest "Command Center" with the biggest vector-art map of the city at the front, and the most uniformed people Looking Serious at banks of monitors.

      This sort of problem is one where a distributed systems approach is overwhelmingly more sensible(unless your primary interests are selling system integration and/or conducting surveillance), and often already in effect.

      For instance, in many cities, you will see a small sensor unit mounted somewhere on the traffic-light structures(distinguishable by a little tubular sun-shade thing). That device is there to pick up coded IR pulses emitted by emergency vehicles with their emergency lighting activated and deviate from the usual traffic light pattern in favor of giving them priority at the intersection.

      There you go. A few cheap sensors, interacting with local stimuli and control systems, produces the broad-level effect you want. Works great in biological systems as well.

    2. Re:Nice by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1

      That's why we need a Brain and Brawn team to be in charge of the system. We can call them Simeon and Channa

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    3. Re:Nice by jbengt · · Score: 1

      But when you centralize control, you also centralize failure.

      Systems like this are common in large buildings and campuses. In almost all modern systems the control is distributed direct digital. That is, the actual control of any part is handled at its' controller - if communication is lost, the local program runs independently. The only "centralized" controls are things like monitoring, scheduling, alarms, setpoint adjustments, etc., which can been done both centrally and locally at each device. Communication from any device location to any other is usually possible using a laptop or handheld plugged in to a controller. Remote, offsite, monitoring, troubleshooting, alarms, etc. are often possible, too. You will always have failures, and TFA seems to be somewhat pie-in-the-sky, but a properly set up system will not create a single point for system-wide failure.

  4. !OS by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is not an OS in any established or even equivalent sense of the word.

    I also predict major driver issues.

    1. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now the most precious hack will be cross the city like an emergency vehicle.

    2. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An operating system (OS) is a set of programs that manages computer hardware resources, and provides common services for application software.

    3. Re:!OS by discord5 · · Score: 1

      That is not an OS in any established or even equivalent sense of the word.

      Yeah, that's simcity 4 minus the disaster menu.

      I also predict major driver issues.

      For a moment I was thinking you were talking about road rage, that's how far this is away from an OS ;)

    4. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's a program?

    5. Re:!OS by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1, Troll

      Don't waist your time. Your in a world where people call computers hard drives, websites call applets --made up of widgets-- widgets, and "professionals" call everything from a windowing system to an application that correlates data an operating system.

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    6. Re:!OS by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      In addition to the hash of dubious computer buzzwords(the City OS will, of course, run "apps"), there seems to be a giant morass of dubiously tractable problems regarding a distributed system running across hardware controlled by who-knows-how-many different parties.

      The pure engineering/architectural problems of unexpected consequences in complex systems(ie. whatever it was were Amazon accidentally took down EC2 last time, or debugging a cluster application whose failures depend on some wacky race condition between your nodes) aren't trivial; but that is just stuff happening in your own racks, on your own switches, with your own data, etc.

      Now let's throw in the mixture of social and architectural problems brought up by the fact that this "city OS" will both need to manage 'resources' in the more-or-less-familiar-if-difficult way that operating systems have always had to manage hardware and somehow coherently manage access to data that has things like privacy implications attached to it, hardware that may be owned by somebody else who wishes to place some restrictions on management conditions, all sorts of parties with various levels of need-to-know querying data that they may or may not be supposed to get access to(oh, and be sure to devise a programmatic automatic check to ensure that if I check the "deny" box on the ACL for given piece of data for a given user, the system automatically sets permissions to keep that user from inferring the denied data from other sources that they may have access to, that shouldn't be a problem, right?)...

      Plus, we've all seen how well SCADA systems exposed to the public internet work, so I predict no issues in the CITY OF THE FUTURE, where everything from the SWAT teams to Granny's pill bottle have IP addresses and management interfaces!

    7. Re:!OS by xMrFishx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's simcity 4 minus the disaster menu.

      Well you could always add in a disaster menu if you wanted, to keep with the theme of things. I'd think the easy ones to implement would be: Financial Crisis, Power Plant Meltdown, Flash Flood and possibly Food Shortage. Then just use some random number generator to trigger them and bob's your uncle, SimCityRL.

    8. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a world where people can't use the write homonym.

      See what I did there? :)

    9. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Know eye did knot sea watt yew did their.

    10. Re:!OS by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      No Problem.

      (The poster takes no responsibility for you constructing the above circuit and getting Rodney-King'ed by angry cops or sent to FPMITAP).

    11. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually not such a bad term to describe it. Think of the roads and emergency services as hardware and the people driving those emergency vehicles are 'programs' in some sense. So really this *is* an operating system that partitions out hardware resources to the highest priority threads (aka a fire truck) first. Of course you can abuse the term to the point that a "chef is an operating system" but that doesn't make it a bad description, it just makes it an unwieldy comparison.

      I think most of the audience on here have some computing background so it's a reasonable analogy.

    12. Re:!OS by Karellen · · Score: 1

      Quite right. The OS is in charge of mechanism, the applications - via the services (mechanisms) the OS provides - is in charge of policy.

      Keeping "buildings, traffic and services running smoothly" sounds like policy to me, and hence in the domain of applications running on an OS.

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    13. Re:!OS by flaming+error · · Score: 1

      Much more like a Network Management System. About as far from the OS as you can get while using a computer.

    14. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't waist? Your in?

      Jesus H. Dogshit. Go back to grade school.

    15. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't waist? Your in?

      Jesus H. Dogshit. Go back to grade school.

      What makes you think he got past it?

    16. Re:!OS by russotto · · Score: 1

      That is not an OS in any established or even equivalent sense of the word.

      An operating system controls your computer's infrastructure and resources. CityOS controls your city's infrastructure and resources.

    17. Re:!OS by sjames · · Score: 1

      We already have that, but there's no point in a menu, apparently we can't turn them off anyway.

    18. Re:!OS by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Except that an operating system abstracts hardware and protects the user from having to do his own scheduling and IO.
      CityOS seems rather the opposite - it controls the hardware, and the user still has to do his own scheduling and IO.
      It's like calling the South Bridge an OS.

    19. Re:!OS by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      LOL. I'm trailer park you're insensitive clod!

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    20. Re:!OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't waist your time. Your in a world where people call computers hard drives, websites call applets --made up of widgets-- widgets, and "professionals" call everything from a windowing system to an application that correlates data an operating system.

      Your point criticizing other people's misuse of the language kind of loses its punch when you don't even bother to spell or punctuate correctly.

  5. Halo by Vorpix · · Score: 1

    This sounds like the Superintendent in Halo ODST.

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    1. Re:Halo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep it clean!

  6. As with any OS, the real question is... by Kenja · · Score: 1

    can we get Doom to run on it?

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    1. Re:As with any OS, the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For terrestrial cities only Doom ][ will work.

  7. Will it need a reboot like politicians? by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Politicians and diapers need to be changed frequently and for the same reason. (Who said that? Samuel Clemens? Sounds like something he would have said.)

    1. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Bloopie · · Score: 4, Funny

      "People are always attributing things to Mark Twain that I never actually said."

      --Mark Twain

    2. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And so are you. I couldn't find where he said that at all.

    3. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Rebooting a politician requires a 2x4x4 stick. And a nail. This, I'm sure, will require a much bigger stick.

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    4. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Bloopie · · Score: 1

      What? You didn't actually go and look that up, did you?

      Have you ever tried doing a Google search for "Whoosh"? You might find it instructive.

    5. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      "Oh stuff it Sam, you have no idea." -- Confucius

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    6. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not actually Mark Twain."

      --Samuel Clemens

    7. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      "I know Kung fu" -- Keanu Reeves

    8. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      2x4x4 of what? At those dimensions it seems like more of block than a stick. However I completely agree with the use of nails, preferably the nine inch variety.

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    9. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Limburgher · · Score: 1

      "The main problem with internet quotations is that most people don't verify their authenticity." --David Hasselhoff, 14th President of the United States.

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    10. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by knarfling · · Score: 1

      WHOOSH is actually an acronym for When Humor Orbits Over Someone's Head.

      Brought to you by the American Association Against Acronym Abuse

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    11. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Have you ever tried doing a Google search for "Whoosh"? You might find it instructive.

      Well I thought what Whoosh meant, but now that I've Googled it I am not quite so sure.

      First result.
      http://whoosh.org/

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    12. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      "That's what she said"

      -- Mark Twain

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    13. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tell me about it." -- Nostradamus

    14. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rebooting a politician requires a 2x4x4 stick. And a nail. This, I'm sure, will require a much bigger stick.

      I would expect so. 2x4x4 inches (?) is a pretty small "stick".

    15. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by lgw · · Score: 1

      "I never said half the things I said!"

      - Yogi Barra

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    16. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by sjames · · Score: 1

      "I really didn't say everything I said." -- Yogi Berra

    17. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by sjames · · Score: 1
    18. Re:Will it need a reboot like politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My brain is full of fuck." -- Bruce Lee

  8. Why not an app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this not just an application on an existing OS rather than an operating system in it's own right?

  9. BRB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Gotta reboot New York...

    1. Re:BRB by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Just format it and start again.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:BRB by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      A)bort R)etry F)ail

      You know you want to be there when that screen shows up.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
  10. Includes FB API. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it can plug into the facebook API to tell everyone which stoplight you are at!

    1. Re:Includes FB API. by omnichad · · Score: 0

      How about the inane stoplight twitter feed:

      NYStoplight3428: Turned Green

      NYStoplight3428: Turned Red

      NYStoplight3428: Turned Yellow

    2. Re:Includes FB API. by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      It's twitter...read from the bottom up.

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    3. Re:Includes FB API. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You must be from a country that hasn't implemented Red+Yellow yet.

    4. Re:Includes FB API. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      The US, which is where said New York traffic light would be located; does not follow the international standard and does go straight from red to green without the red and amber warning before the green.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  11. We will wind up going ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the way of The Krell

  12. Worth saying ... by Picardo85 · · Score: 1

    What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re:Worth saying ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      I know you were asking that question rhetorically, but this seems the best way to make the comment that was what first occurred to me.
      As an Anonymous Coward wrote in another post, when you centralize control, you also centralize failure.
      The other problem with this is that when something happens that requires a response different from any of those you planned for a system like this is unlikely to allow for the flexibility necessary for those on the ground to respond on the fly. All decisions will have to go through the central hub. It will have the same problems as reflected in the statement, "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

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    2. Re:Worth saying ... by Nanosphere · · Score: 1

      Instead of the buildings running smoothly they break free and seek revenge against Godzilla.

  13. BSOD by in10se · · Score: 1

    So the Blue Screen of Death could really mean death...

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  14. Sounds great by Stides · · Score: 1

    Can't even afford to keep the firetruck running, how is this going to get deployed?

    Seems like a great way for consultants make a fortune doing feasibility studies to me.

  15. Hacking Target? by vlpronj · · Score: 1

    All we need is someone to figure out a DDOS on the city (flashmob - everybody press the pedestrian crossing button on 3,2,1...)

    1. Re:Hacking Target? by Lifyre · · Score: 2

      Hopefully you're not in one of the cities that has disconnected the vast majority of the crosswalk buttons. Leaving them in place as a placebo.

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      I'll meet you at the intersection of "Should be" and "Reality"
  16. OS by greghodg · · Score: 1

    Ah. This is obviously some strange usage of the word "OS" that I hadn't previously been aware of.

    1. Re:OS by vlpronj · · Score: 1

      Distributed Denial Of Service?

  17. No Central Computer please by Shompol · · Score: 1

    All of the above can and should be achieved with a de-centralized network of independent nodes (CPU's) that communicate with each other. Right now city traffic management is stuck in the 1950's, something should be done about it, and I don't mean "install traffic light cameras on every friggin intersection" as per Bloomberg.

    1. Re:No Central Computer please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you have not worked with city infrastructure, or your city is about 30+ years behind in upgrades.

    2. Re:No Central Computer please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could do it with yellow sticky notes and young girls with calculators, if you really wanted to make life unnecessarily difficult for the implementors.

    3. Re:No Central Computer please by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      So city traffic management is stuck in the 80s?

  18. You mean... SimCity?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ohhh, I see Sid Maier goin' "Ka-ching" on this one....

  19. I can't wait to root this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This thing read like a wet dream. One o/s...monitoring...and controlling....every sensor in the city?

    Connected to traffic cameras, traffic lights, building HVAC, lighting systems. That is aware of where fire trucks and law enforcement are? That can give me temperatures on a room-by-room basis? Will it integrate with alarm systems too? Can I use it to monitor lighting and power usage in a room to tell that somebody *really* arrives at 9:03 every day?

    Where do I sign up to gain access to the API docs? I want this.

    Well...no...really...I want to sell it to somebody with a botnet...but..details.

    1. Re:I can't wait to root this by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      One o/s...monitoring...and controlling....every sensor in the city?

      One o/s to rule them all

      One o/s to find them

      One o/s to bring them all

      And in the darkness bind them...

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  20. screw this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife likes the room hotter, I like it cooler.. she takes shows that would melt paint off of metal, I like mine warm. Centralized control sucks period. Ever been to a place where management sets the heat and you can't change it? They set it at a point to "save money" as well as please whoever is in charge, but for others its too warm or too cold.

  21. Re:Alpha Centauri by Bovius · · Score: 2

    This sounds like the Self-Aware Colony in Alpha Centauri.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwqN3Ur-wP0

  22. Android by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    It'll be something Google comes up with. They've bought wind-power technology, some sort of public transportation program (bikes? buses? I forget), YouTube, which presents the opportunity for expansion into a cable TV-alternative, Google voice. I'm sure a grocery delivery program will be coming. I'm 100 percent convinced GTown isn't far down the line. Based on how Google rolls out products, it would be a beta city, of course. ;)

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  23. SkyNet by kernelrahl · · Score: 2

    "The OS completely bypasses humans to manage communication between sensors and devices such as traffic lights, air conditioning or water pumps that influence the quality of city life"
    --
    I can almost hear the theme music to "Terminator"...

    1. Re:SkyNet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In order to achieve maximum efficiency, SkyNet determines that all humans must be eliminated. It does so by simply turning off every service it is connected to. In a matter of days, the human population is reduced 90% by sudden warring amongst themselves.

    2. Re:SkyNet by sjames · · Score: 1

      The question is, does the system have a way for humans to completely bypass it?

  24. C2, not OS by Shoten · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not an operating system, it's called command and control. And Katia Moskovitch (who wrote that article) has her head up her ass; several cities are doing this already, exactly as described. Anaheim, for example, has an extremely sophisticated system, especially when it comes to monitoring activity and helping first responders deal with things like car accidents, fires and hazardous material incidents. I've seen it, from the control center, and it frankly blew me away...very cool stuff. The real interesting part isn't about the data from the sensors, however; that's almost useless by itself. The real value comes from fusing that data with information that is kept about the nature of things. For example, when a fire breaks out at X place, there's information on hand about what is normally found there. Let's say it's a warehouse...does that warehouse keep anything particularly dangerous in storage, and if so, what kinds of dangers does it pose? That information is there, and can be relayed to the police and firefighters on scene so that they know what they're dealing with.

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    1. Re:C2, not OS by vbraga · · Score: 1

      I think most cities with a large population have some form of a command center. I know where I live (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil) the local government runs an "operations center" developed by IBM. See Smarter Cities and IBM Intelligent Operations Center. If I recall correctly, Dublin runs more or less the same solution.

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    2. Re:C2, not OS by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      For example, when a fire breaks out at X place, there's information on hand about what is normally found there. Let's say it's a warehouse...does that warehouse keep anything particularly dangerous in storage, and if so, what kinds of dangers does it pose?

      I guess they must be using Google. :-)

      All kidding aside, this kind of stuff would make a super compelling demo.

      But the real questions are, how does such a system behave under load? how accurate is the data being collected? And what do the firefighters say about this system when none of their higher ups are around? After all, super cool demos of some technologies are easy to make. They're easy to mock up, and easy to cherry-pick successful anecdotes from, as long as you're the one in charge of the system yourself.

  25. How old-fashioned. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Surely you want your city in the cloud.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    1. Re:How old-fashioned. by Karellen · · Score: 1

      As an ex-smuggler who feels like going straight by, e.g. doing a little gas mining in an out-of-the-way place that won't attract much attention from the emp^H^H^Hauthorities, that sounds like just what I was looking for!

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    2. Re:How old-fashioned. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Well, it worked for San Francisco.

  26. Interesting by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    The level of atomic operation required to pull an OS of this level off is unthinkable. It's one thing to manage the input from a computer, it's another to manage a stock exchange but an entire city, that's an entire new level. The biggest question is, what language, I vote Assembler :-)

    1. Re:Interesting by vlpronj · · Score: 1

      Actually, given the time-critical nature of trades, I >imagine that managing a stock exchange is not necessarily a level below managing a city.

    2. Re:Interesting by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      I would imagine that having to handle the pure amount of input and processing in real time for an entire city would out do a stock exchange.

    3. Re:Interesting by lgw · · Score: 1

      You would imagine wrong. Stock exchanges process insane transaction volumes - tens of billions per day, with extremely low latency requirements

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    4. Re:Interesting by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Okay, I may be.

  27. Bicycle nerds by siouxgeonz · · Score: 1

    could have a field day trifling with it.

  28. Gamed your Urban beotch! by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    "If there's a fire alarm on the fifth floor and the elevator is going to the next floor, the light will switch on - but in addition the traffic lights will be switched accordingly to turn the traffic in the right direction so that fire workers can get through".

    How long before people actively use their knowledge of how one thing effects another so as to manipulate the system into doing their bidding?

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    Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
  29. It's called SCADA by AB3A · · Score: 2

    Yes, City OSs already exist. These are the SCADA systems that utilities use to manage their resources. The problem is that these SCADA systems do not manage resources small enough to make the sorts of differences that these pro-city coordinators expect. It is not financially feasible to do it yet.

    There is also a myth that a central authority will be staffed with geniuses who will automatically comprehend the situation and make it better. As recent blackouts in Chile showed, however, it is quite possible to be overwhelmed with alarms that no human can sort through.

    What good is a boss if he micro-manages everything around?

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    1. Re:It's called SCADA by stubob · · Score: 2

      I expect it to be staffed by Homer Simpson.

      Homer: [reading screen] "To Start Press Any Key". Where's the ANY key?
                      I see Esk ["ESC"], Catarl ["CTRL"], and Pig-Up ["PGUP"]. There
                      doesn't seem to be any ANY key. Woo! All this computer hacking
                      is making me thirsty. I think I'll order a TAB. [presses TAB
                      key] Awp...no time for that now, the computer's starting.
                        [reading screen slowly] "Check core temperature, yes slash no."
                      [types] Yes.
                      "Core temperature normal." Hmph. Not too shabby.
                      "Vent radioactive gas." [types] NO.
                      "Venting prevents explosi-on." Heeheee...whoa, this is hard.
                      Where's my Tab? Okay, then, [types] YES, vent the stupid gas.
                        [Cut to a farmer tending his corn. The gas release blows away
                      part of the crop.]
      Farmer: Oh, no! The corn. Paul Newman's gonna have my legs broke.

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    2. Re:It's called SCADA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also a myth that a central authority will be staffed with geniuses who will automatically comprehend the situation and make it better. As recent blackouts in Chile showed, however, it is quite possible to be overwhelmed with alarms that no human can sort through.

      What good is a boss if he micro-manages everything around?

      Open the pod bay doors, HAL.

    3. Re:It's called SCADA by God+Of+Atheism · · Score: 1

      What good is a boss?

      Fixed that for you

  30. "Operating system"? Operations manual by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Cities and for that matter companies are more than computers. They are people.

    They already have "operating systems" to govern their day-to-day behavior. These are laws, bylaws, procedures, employee manuals, best-practices guides, and other formal and informal ways things get done.

    Yes, these tie into hardware as well and some of these processes are automated. Traffic signals may be computer-controlled but it is humans using human decision-making that decide what the overall timing patterns will be. Maybe the computer is smart enough to make those decisions itself, but it's still a human who is ultimately responsible for deciding to allow the computer to manage traffic flow and to turn the computer off or tweak its algorithms if things don't work as expected. Who makes this decision and whether that decision is made by a person, by a committee, or by a person following some checklist/human-implemented algorithm is up to the city council or other high-level leadership, who of course are human beings.

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  31. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What could go wrong?

  32. BBC by nimbius · · Score: 1

    implies this will happen in european cities, which is actually possible. take California, one of our most progressive states for example. I live in LA, and we cant even keep the streets paved. traffic lights along wilshire routinely pulse and blink on and off at night for no reason. We didnt even get a single competent bike lane until mayor Vilagrosa was run over by a truck on his bike commute to work. America wont see this for 25 years, if ever.

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    1. Re:BBC by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

      traffic lights along wilshire routinely pulse and blink on and off at night for no reason.

      Umm... Many cities set their traffic signals to blink at night because it's more efficient for the reduced traffic load to treat the intersection as stop sign than to sit and wait for an entire light cycle.

    2. Re:BBC by knarfling · · Score: 1

      What goes Vroom..Screech...Vroom...Screech....Vroom...Screech?


      A car driven by a blonde at a flashing red light.

      Seriously, I talked with a guy one time that had been driving for several years but had no idea what a flashing red light meant. Not to mention being able to tell the difference between a flashing red light and a flashing yellow light.

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    3. Re:BBC by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      The recent flooding here in the North East that took out power all over the place also proved to me that people have no idea that you are supposed to STOP at a signal that isn't operational. I almost got hit from behind several times just from trying to follow basic traffic laws.

  33. Single point of failure? by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

    I hope if this is implemented that redundancy is built in along with fail safe operation if power or communications are cut.

    Along with single point of failure many opportunities of hacking would need to be addressed.

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    1. Re:Single point of failure? by dreemernj · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll be petitioning the local government to rename my street:

      Main Street'); DROP TABLE parking_tickets;--

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    2. Re:Single point of failure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke's on you; parking tickets are actually recorded in the CitationsT table!

    3. Re:Single point of failure? by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      Better yet: **ROOTKIT** !!

  34. Re:Alpha Centauri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like "The City" (1950) from Ray Bradbury's "The Illustrated Man"

  35. COBOL! by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    Cobol, man. No way anybody would do that in assembly.

    1. Re:COBOL! by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Oh ya, Start using COBOL then Some Fortran and Pascal to really tie into a great OS. :-)

  36. Yeah.... by koan · · Score: 1

    A single point of control isn't always a good idea when dealing with humans.

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  37. Cities of the future: by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cities Of the future:

    iCity (the new big Apple) will charge double the taxes to residents, a very intuitive way of manoevering the city. No private enterprise will be allowed- the city must run everything.

    Kindleville, will charge half the taxes, but not many public services.

    Microsoftopolis will be a huge sprawling city- that once had a decent idea, that it stole from iCity. The city will try to do everything, and do badly at most things.

    Googolia will be a tax free haven- but every thing you look do or say will be sent to marketers and the streets will one big billboard.

    Then there is Linux Angeles, taxes will be low, the city will do more for you, if you know how to get around. The only problem is, every facet of your life will be overly complicated and you will be forced to worship a giant penguin.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    1. Re:Cities of the future: by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Almost forgot...

      Facebookton- Everyone will know everything you do and say. All buildings will be made of perfectly transparant untinted glass so you can peak into anyone's home and see what they're up to. You are given the option to lock your doors- but everytime the city council changes anything your doors will all randomly spring open letting anyone in.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Then there is Linux Angeles, taxes will be low, the city will do more for you, if you know how to get around. The only problem is, every facet of your life will be overly complicated and you will be forced to worship a giant penguin.

      ... and if you ever ask anyone for directions on the street, they'll scoff at you and tell you to RTFM.

    3. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there is Linux Angeles, taxes will be low, the city will do more for you, if you know how to get around. The only problem is, every facet of your life will be overly complicated and you will be forced to worship a giant penguin.

      As long as the penguin is eating spaghetti, it's all good. Ramen.

    4. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a seriously good idea for a game theme...

    5. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With apologies to the old Soviet-era Leningrad joke...

      Where were you born? Multicsylvania
      Where were you raised? UNIXburg
      Where do you live now? Linux Angeles
      Where would you like to settle? Multicsylvania

    6. Re:Cities of the future: by gallondr00nk · · Score: 1

      Don't forget BSDVille, where all the inhabitants died.

    7. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We gonna run run run
      To the cities of the future
      Take what we can and bring back home
      So take me down to the cities of the future
      Everybody's happy and i feel at home

      (Great Infected Mushroom song)

    8. Re:Cities of the future: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      jaa!,
      this is why i read slashdot comments,
      i wish there was a function to rank and vote comments.

  38. I know how this OS will work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will only work on Windows 95 and will be written in VisualBASIC with a FoxPro database. Backups will be done by shutting the system down and copying files onto a Zip disk.

  39. Re:if they cant get that working by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Oh look! A City version of UAC!

    "We detected a street light out of synch. Do you want to synch it? Cancel or Allow?"

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  40. Urban OS Marketing Dept: This is Engineering... by spinninggears · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With due respect to the marketing folks behind Urban OS, it reality the engineering is actually going in the direction of passing useful information through the network to a variety of embedded computers who then make such decisions as granting priority to a firetruck.

    I have been developing software such as this for quite a while, and it simply makes a lot more sense to tell, for instance, a traffic controller directly that a city bus is on the way than it does to tell a centralized system that a bus is on the way and have it command a traffic controller. The traffic controller is the "expert system", developed by people who know what it is supposed to be doing. It just needs data to do it's job.

    On that last point, sensor failures are the reason most intelligent traffic controllers fail to do their job correctly, and the more sensors you have, the higher the percentage of failed sensors in the system. You need to solve that problem first, before you worry about what CPU the solution is running on.

    1. Re:Urban OS Marketing Dept: This is Engineering... by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, the marketing folks and politicians always win.

      There isn't a problem in the world where a politician doesn't think making it a central authority won't solve every problem.

      You name it. Education, healthcare, transit, R&D, food, poverty... politicians think if they can just create a national system, they can reap efficiencies and expertise and solve every problem.

      Maybe it has something to do that most politicians are not 'builders' like society and thus don't have to care how things actually work. They tend to be lawyers who only care about writing how things should ideally work.

      Every competent engineer knows the flaws of centralization of highly complex systems. We like distributed systems for highly complex systems.

      I would pretty much wager politicians will try and buy the big centralized administration urban OS over intelligent distributed processing.

  41. This can't work. by dreemernj · · Score: 1

    When a handful of messages with single corrupted bits can take down S3, how long do you think systems will keep running at the corner of Corrupt-Politician Street and Lowest-Bidder-Construction Boulevard?

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    1. Re:This can't work. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      What if, you don't vote- the city calculates who you were most likely going to vote for.

      Spokeo allows you to lookup anyone online and learn "facts" about them.

      Quite amusing though- it has me listed as a republican protestant. No idea how it jumped to that conclusion; I'm an agnostic centrist. It also thinks my mother is my sister... and I'm not from West Virginia.

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  42. Thank disneyland ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Anaheim, for example, has an extremely sophisticated system, especially when it comes to monitoring activity and helping first responders deal with things like car accidents, fires and hazardous material incidents.

    Thank Disneyland and Major League Baseball. Between these two there must have been a lot of homeland security dollars available for such a system. I guess the US taxpayer deserves some thanks as well.

    OK the above is somewhat exaggerated. I used to work in Anaheim and I also recall some effort to run fiber optic all over the place long before 9/11. So there was also a symbiotic modernization effort that supported the above.

  43. Challenge accepted by andrewa · · Score: 1

    Now all that remains is to integrate this with Sim City...

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  44. Crysis by Scheers · · Score: 1

    But will it run Crysis?

  45. Yes! Well, maybe. Okay, no. by falzer · · Score: 1

    I like the technological aspect of networked sensors and remote management, I intend to put sensors in my own home, but I can't get over how annoying this article is.

    An article full of hand-waving is topped with this:
    "And this is what Urban OS is providing, this kind of solution to analyse mass data, enter it in a context and perform magical actions."

    The cutesy use of computing terms is grating:
    "To support the myriad of different devices in a city the firm has developed an extensive set of application services that will run Urban OS, dubbed PlaceApps - the urban environment equivalent of apps on a smartphone."

    "The OS completely bypasses humans to manage communication between sensors and devices such as traffic lights, air conditioning or water pumps that influence the quality of city life."
    What previous problem is solved by having the city "OS" manage my air conditioning? Do I use too much? Should I put sensors in my house so UrbanOS can tell if nobody's home, then shut it off for me?

    Frankly I'm not comfortable with the degree of centralization implied in this article. The folks who run infrastructure already have or are installing ever more networked sensors to ease maintenance, administration, and lower maintenance costs.

    I get the feeling the article writer and McLaren Electronic Systems have very different things in mind.

  46. You can't cut back patch funding! by Pope · · Score: 1

    You will regret this!

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  47. Gratuitous Star Trek reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (actually references)

    To see how this might turn out, please see:

    "Return of the Archons"
    "The Apple"
    "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"

  48. Corps do this by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    Go into a lot of business like Target, Walmart, etc. Corporate central offices control the heating and AC. So even when there are cronic years long issues with sections of buildings being badly controlled (roasting temps at the checkout lanes) there is zero local control.

    Scale this up to a city and...

    1. Nothing like having to submit a bug report once basic functions get buried in million+ lines of code, like say a traffic light that keeps malfunctioning and causing crashes.

    2. Utter chaos when the town Blue Screens.

    3. Bad interaction with other systems, like train controls that the city does not have control over (there are already problems here, but at least they can be resolved with modest code bases between two local controllers, not with a mega OS sized chunk of software).

    Basically, small local stuff might be less efficient, but by far it is more fault tolerant and robust to failure.

  49. This could save a lot of money on city employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could save a lot of money currently paid to city employees doing the same job. And, for this reason, it is a non-starter in most contemporary democracies with unionized government-workers.

    Remember, when NYC's subways wanted to replace one out of two people currently manning some of the trains with better electronics? The unions -- supported by many of others in the Left-leaning city -- raised such a ruckus, that the agency backed off...

    The illogic of "we need subways to employ more people, not less", however Luddite in nature, prevailed...

  50. Single point of failure by NathanE · · Score: 1

    Single point of failure for a city. Great. Single system to compromise too; should be an attractive target for Bad Guys(tm).

  51. Will never happen. by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2

    I remember when RFID came out and there was a commercial with a guy walking through a supermarket stuffing things into his oversized coat like a very bad shoplifter and he walks out and is automatically charged for everything thanks to RFID and having his card on file. Everyone talked about how cool that was and how great it would be. That lasted about a two weeks, then the FUD started. If you don't know what the backlash was, just read the comments of the attached video.
     
    The same thing would happen with this proposal. People would think it is a great idea, then FUD would start. People would worry about being tracked, privacy, etc. And, the backlash would begin.

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  52. Puppet/CFengine/Chef by FrozenFOXX · · Score: 1

    Out of curiosity, isn't this exactly the sort of thing you're supposed to be doing with Puppet/CFengine/Chef/Bcfg2? I mean, to keep things running smoothly in a system you're looking to manage its configuration. If the city is a system then why not just create a "node" for each building, street, and so forth and use one of the aforementioned tools to manage it? I can't even imagine it'd be too hard, especially with Puppet due to its modular nature. Something I'm missing?

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  53. Mod UP Parent by bmsleight · · Score: 1
    At last.

    Yep boring already exists. Poor sales piece for the company selling this so called OS. I think most /.ers would cream their pant if they saw a real C&C system.

  54. Umbrella City by Provost+Kihofakirius · · Score: 1

    "You all going to die down here."

  55. Look past the PR fluff... by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    .. to the wonderful pen testing opportunity!

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  56. not if you trun on no disasters then put fire at 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not if you trun on no disasters then put fire at 0%

  57. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I for one welcome our robot overlords!

  58. why is this needed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cities already (with sufficient infrastructure and maintenance) work pretty well. What special advantage is there to networking everything? Buildings are designed to mitigate fire, explosion, and all sorts of nasty things. Traffic lights can already be switched by fire trucks, etc. Why does it have to be any more sophisticated?

  59. Re:if they cant get that working by nschubach · · Score: 1

    Actually, there's a user sitting at a screen with UAC pop-ups:
    "Do you want to allow the following driver through this intersection? Yes | No"

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  60. I would find it completely scary by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    If a city operating system wasn't open source. I wouldn't want a city's future pinned to a single company's competence, nor would I trust any one company with having that much power. If we can't trust the private sector with our PlayStations, what makes us think that we can trust them with our traffic lights?

  61. CAAS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next step: City as a Service (CAAS), and thousands of MBAs trying to convince goverments to outsource their cities "to the cloud!"

  62. Objection assumes facts NOT IN EVIDENCE by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

    "and the State and Local governments can't agree who owns what road. A sensor system would blow their minds."

    please submit evidence that They have MINDS that can be blown.

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  63. Urban OS,Please tell me that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please tell me that it is NOT Microsoft else some people are in deep sh**!

  64. in other words... by eyenot · · Score: 1

    ... It's likely to be:

    * Overpriced

    * Underthought

    * ^-- + Underdeveloped

    * ^-- + + Bloated

    * Insecure

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  65. READ - Two faces of Janus by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

    A graet SF book of the computer systems interconnecting and helping each other, then to discover that humans are running around in the environment.

  66. The design is terrible from a controls perspective by Animats · · Score: 1

    There's an architecture for this. It's awful. It's an approach to real-time control designed by web people. They want to use Cisco routers to talk to actuators, so that remote applications can operate the actuators. That's just wrong.

    The right way to do this involves most control being very local, with some data flowing up to a higher level for supervision and some commands flowing down. Better designs can operate with the higher level supervision off line, at some loss of performance.

    An example of this is an advanced HVAC system for a medium to large building. Return air ducts for each room are equipped with sensors that measure temperature, humidity, CO, CO2, and smoke. (Humidity and CO2 give a measure of how many occupants are in the room. More people require more airflow. Empty rooms require very little airflow. This is a huge win for hotels and classroom buildings, where the people load varies widely.) These talk to a local controller for part of the building, which can control local dampers and fans. It talks to the building HVAC controller, which controls the heaters, chillers, outside air vents, and has some sensors of its own. This in turn may talk to a remote building management system, to report units that need repair, fuel consumption and availability, and other management data. It's not unusual to outsource this, usually to a company that handles maintenance.

    But the remote building management system does not directly control actuators. It may set some policy parameters, or order some units off line. The "urban OS" people are proposing a much more centralized system. That has much more potential for large scale failure.

  67. Market for Municiple OS by dave87656 · · Score: 1

    I know there is a lot of software available for municipalities but I'm wondering if there is a market for a complete stack standard software from the OS up. Despite FUD about Munich's Linux move, it is saving the city huge amounts of money in licensing fees now that it is in use.

    What city wouldn't be excited about a full stack of software that would be secure, single-source and relatively complete?

  68. Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never mind, piddly little humans... just go where I tell you to. That's right... goooooood people, right into those innocuous looking little pods.

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  70. Give yourself over to it... by bgibby9 · · Score: 1

    Skynet is inevitable! q:)

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