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Graphene Creates Electricity When Struck By Light

MrSeb writes with news out of MIT about another interesting and potentially useful property of graphene. Researchers have known for several years that graphene generates electricity when exposed to sunlight, but incorrectly attributed it to the photovoltaic effect. A new paper shows that the current is actually generated from the much more unusual 'hot-carrier' response. Quoting: "The material’s electrons, which carry current, are heated by the light, but the lattice of carbon nuclei that forms graphene’s backbone remains cool. It’s this difference in temperature within the material that produces the flow of electricity. ... Such differential heating has been observed before, but only under very special circumstances: either at ultralow temperatures (measured in thousandths of a degree above absolute zero), or when materials are blasted with intense energy from a high-power laser. This response in graphene, by contrast, occurs across a broad range of temperatures all the way up to room temperature, and with light no more intense than ordinary sunlight." It will take more work to determine what new applications are reasonable from an efficiency perspective, but it does broaden graphene's already-impressive capabilities.

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  1. So... not related to light at all really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This has absolutely nothing to do with light, and instead has absolutely incredible implications for power generation. Graphene geothermal probes for more efficiency, graphene cooling tubes for maximum gas/oil/coal electric power generation, nuclear power (bonus: extra radiation protection)... Hell, strap graphene to just about any process that involves waste heat and get power for "free!"

    1. Re:So... not related to light at all really by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2

      So what's the ultimate efficiency? What percentage? Is it better than existing tech?

    2. Re:So... not related to light at all really by tmosley · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it captures heat by increasing electron mobility through the aromatic p-orbitals that pervade the entire sheet. That is, it converts heat into electron flow, ie electricity, without damaging the substrate.

    3. Re:So... not related to light at all really by Rei · · Score: 2

      The real problem is this: You can't beat Carnot. If you could, you could produce infinite energy.

      Here's an example of why. Are you familiar with the term "COP" from the heating/cooling world? "Coefficient Of Performance". It's the ratio of how much energy you move against a thermal gradient versus how much energy you put in. Counterintuitively, perhaps, the numbers are often well greater than 1. Home AC systems, for example, are usually COP=2.5 to 4.0, and you may see commercial systems in the ~5.0 ballpark (that is, they move five times more heat energy from the cold reservoir to the hot reservoir than they take in). The closer together the temperature of the hot and cold well, the higher the maximum theoretical COP -- just like the closer together the temperature of the hot and cold well in a generator, the *lower* the maximum theoretical generation efficiency of a generator, due to Carnot's law. Guess what? Those come out to the *same boundary condition*; that is, a 100% efficient engine would harness precisely the amount of work needed to power a 100% efficient heat pump to restore the heat gradient used in generating said work. If you could ever produce more work from a given heat differential than the Carnot limit at that temperature, then you could run a heat pump to more than restore the heat differential used to produce that work, and you now have an over-unity perpetual motion machine. And, of course, in the real world, nothing is 100% efficient.

      It doesn't matter whether someone's "clever idea" for recovering ever-more energy from waste heat has to do with infrared electricity production, graphene magic, or pixie dust. It's never going to work beyond the Carnot limit. If someone thinks they've found a way to make it work, they're missing something. "Waste heat" can, of course, always have *some* energy recovered from it, as long as there's any temperature differential at all, but as Carnot's Law will tell us, you rapidly hit diminishing returns. We call it waste when it's at the point that we can no longer justify spending the money to stick even the cheapest of generators there to recover more because the recovery rate is just so low.

      In a car, the whole point generally shouldn't be "how can we try to recover these tiny amounts of energy from waste heat". The goal should be, "how can we stop spending the energy in the first place." This means efficient energy storage and reuse, keeping any engines/motors as close to their optimal powerbands as possible, and an efficient primary propulsion cycle (in the case of an ICE, a high compression ratio). You'll generally get way more energy with way less investment (and less mass -- and remember, extra vehicle mass is an energy *consumer*). Any waste heat energy recovery should be as simple as possible, such as using exhaust to run a fuel preheating stage.

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  2. Re:Again? by mswhippingboy · · Score: 2

    are you asking why people might find it difficult to put big oil/coal companies out of business?

    I don't think going out of business is in the cards for them. They'll just switch to whatever technology is most profitable. BP didn't change their slogan to "Beyond Petroleum" for no reason.

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  3. Re:Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Producing in the labs vs producing in a manufacturing setting is worlds apart simply. Depending on the technology, there are lots of reasons why some takes decades to reach the market while others never reach it at all.

    These include:
    1) economic viability (the technology costs too much)
    2) production viability (difficult if not impossible to produce at a large scale) which may require manufacturing technology to be developed as well or simply is impossible due to it's nature
    3) technological issues (which the technology shows great interests but requires dealing with issues that must be addressed first before it can be used)

    In this case, graphene, while many breakthroughs have been made with the materials, it still requires much more research as there are alot of issues to deal with and things we still don't understand about it.

  4. Re:Again? by John.P.Jones · · Score: 2

    The largest problem I have had with coming around on the energy / global climate debate is that these horrible dire predictions are always accompanied by the most ineffectual proposals to mitigate the effects. No one is really coming out and saying straight up there is no solution we just must reduce consumption in a way that is incompatible with current society. Either they are wrong about the magnitude of the problem or wrong about how we should proceed to correct it. I was of the mind that they were wrong about the problem but it is becoming apparent that they have been wrong about he solution and things are going to go very badly over the rest of my lifetime and perhaps my children's natural lifetimes (it isn't at all certain that they will live so long) before we arrive at an equilibrium of hotter temperatures, new habitable areas (Canada will look nice) and a drastically reduced global population. We appear to be in a situation where everything is wrong and no fix that we would choose can possibly begin to help. I think the Catch-22 century came a little early.

  5. Shilling is also a currency, you know by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

    Looks like once taco left the bitcoin shilling fell away.

    How many shillings in a bitcoin?

  6. Re:Again? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    I was reading through a summary of the entire history of BitCoin on SomethingAwful and I lost any respect I ever had for that project and its participants. I made the right decision to not waste any electricity on it.

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  7. Re:Again? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because people like you never notice how much things actually *are* changing here in the real world.

    Batteries are my favorite example. I'm constantly hearing people complain about reporting on battery breakthroughs in the lab, sarcastically saying, "Yeah, but when are we actually going to see these in the real world?" -- forgetting how much radically smaller and/or longer lived rechargeable batteries have gotten for increasingly high-power-consumption consumer electronics. Secondary cells have 5x'ed in energy density since the late 80s, and the trend shows no signs of slowing down. Even li-ion seems to have good life left in it (in particular, the anode; silicon (derided on Slashdot as a "sure, when will we finally see THAT?" tech) is now starting to replace carbon for part of the anode materials in commercially available cells, and it has a maximum theoretical anode energy density 10x that of carbon). Li-ion cathodes probably have a good 50% improvement left in them, possibly more; we'll probably see a migration to a Li-S chemistry after that, since that seems to be maturing the fastest (barring unexpected breakthroughs in Li-air, other chemistries, or electrostatic storage).

    One nice thing about Li-S is that it's lower cell voltage with a much higher cell capacity, meaning that it's easier to get a specific desired voltage. Electrostatics would obviously be best (durability, temperature sensitivity, voltage discharge curve, etc), but they've also got the longest way to go. Li-air is oft hyped, but it too has an awfully long way to go. Then there's all sorts of other longer-shot contenders out there -- nickel-lithium, sodium-ion, aluminum secondary cells, etc. And then the question of whether flow batteries of any given chemistry will ever compete outside of a very narrow range of applications (such as grid storage).

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  8. Re:Again? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Because they are scientist not engineers.
    Scientist discover new stuff. Engineers use the new stuff discovered and makes use of it.

    In terms of power. The more energy they can save/collect the more they have to use more.

    It is the same when Gas prices are lower people buy larger cars. When prices are higher they buy smaller cars.

    When the engineer get to use a new better power source smaller/lighter they will try to make it the same size/weight that it had before and use the extra energy it has to do more stuff with it.

    Try to imagine how much battery life we can get with a laptop if it needed to follow the same performance specs of a 386 monochrome display laptop. You can probably get months of Uptime at high CPU usage.

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  9. Re:Nice to know the research is going somewhere by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    No that is a bad idea.
    We need more energy diversity not less. Every energy sources has its advantages and disadvantages more sources will give us choice on what to use for our needs.

    It is like choosing how to heat your home. You have Electricity, Natural Gas, Propane, Oil, Wood/Wood Pellets... Depending on your location you can choose an optimal solution.

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  10. Re:Nice to know the research is going somewhere by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Long story short... no. First, that isn't how science works. If I'm an expert in photovoltaic reactions, my help isn't very helpful while you're trying to get a windmill working. Scientist are, in general, specialists, there is no degree in "cool alternative energy technology". Second, that's not how markets work. If I'm really close to figuring out how to, say, increase solar cell efficiency by 50%, thus making me rich; I'm unlikely to give up that work because we're working on wind power this month. Finally, it would be foolish to put all of our eggs in one basket. It's unlikely that any currently feasible alternative energy systems will be able to supply all the power people need everywhere.

    Deserts are great for solar, coastline are get for wind and hydro, volcanically active areas are great for geothermal... None of them is a perfect tech that will work everywhere. Seattle would find solar farms all but useless, and there's not much easily available geothermal in Detroit. There are a few "magic bullet" technologies being researched, but they are very theoretical and a risky "bet the farm" idea. Sure, controllable and safe fusion power would solve all our problems, but no one is entirely sure it's possible.

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  11. Re:Again? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A comedy site, yes, but the article was based on verifiable facts. And I did verify many of them because I was shocked at the level of stupidity.

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  12. Re:Where's Billy Mays? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

    Isn't he going to double my order if I order now? And maybe give me some completely unrelated product of little actual value for a bonus gift?

    "That's right folks, order now and get two square feet of graphene for 39.99 million dollars. And this free ferret. It can all be yours for this low, low, price. order now!"

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  13. Re:Where's Billy Mays? by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    With the refreshing power of orange!

  14. Re:Again? by Daetrin · · Score: 2

    Another area that's seen a lot of improvement is Low self-discharge NiMG batteries. A few months ago i got around to replacing my old set of rechargeable batteries with a new set of these and i've been pretty impressed. They hold a bigger charge for longer, and they even seem to recharge faster, though that might just my optimistic thinking on my part. My only complaint is the charger requires me to recharge them in pairs rather than one battery at a time, but that's just an issue with the design of the charger.

    But unless you pay attention carefully or do some research on the subject it's easy to miss the improvements. They "just work", and how many people pay attention to the things that are working fine? Very rarely when an improvement makes its way to the shelves does it make a big splash. It might get hyped up in the marketing materials but we've all trained ourselves to ignore that stuff.

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  15. Graphene Facts by CommieLib · · Score: 2
    1. Graphene can throw a perfect game with one pitch.
    2. Graphene once played Russian Roulette with a muzzleloader and won.
    3. Graphene simply walks into Mordor.
    4. Graphene once beat a wall at tennis.
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  16. Re:Nice to know the research is going somewhere by stevusmichaels · · Score: 2

    Actually, there is a degree in "cool alternative energy technology". My college recently started offering a PhD in "sustainability", whatever that is.

  17. Re:Nice to know the research is going somewhere by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

    Well, this isn't a renewable energy source. It's just a funky property of Graphene. Far from generating any reasonable amount of energy this is just a low current induced by light. Could it lead to high efficiency solar power generation? Maybe, but that is extremely premature to think based on this story.

  18. Re:Again? by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 2

    Taco left?

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