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100,000 iPhones Overwhelm Activation Server

dstates writes "What happens when Apple ships 100,000 iPhone 4S in a day? Answer, 100,000 users all try to activate their new phones. AT&T's activation servers are struggling under the load. Apparently Verizon and Sprint are doing a better job keeping up with the load." Adds an anonymous optimist: "The solution? Call AT&T by dialing 611 and talking to an operator to perform a manual activation with your IMEI and SIM card #, works every time!"

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  1. I could have sworn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few weeks ago, I heard all *sorts* of haters saying this phone wouldn't succeed... Never underestimate hype. Ever.

    1. Re:I could have sworn... by Killer+Instinct · · Score: 0

      That was before all the lemmings found out they could get $110 for their slightly used iPhone 3Gs...

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    2. Re:I could have sworn... by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 0

      I never said it would fail ... I just don't like the excessive hype that gets generated every time

    3. Re:I could have sworn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100,000 units for a series which sell around 150,000 a day on average. O-kay.

  2. The "solution" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried that, all that happened was neither of my phones worked for 3 hours until the servers got caught up a bit. Very annoying

    1. Re:The "solution" by grub · · Score: 1


      neither of my phones worked for 3 hours until the servers got caught up a bit. Very annoying

      Wait... are you talking about Apple or RIM here?

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    2. Re:The "solution" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIM, Jobs, what's the difference?

    3. Re:The "solution" by murphtall · · Score: 0

      Rim jobs FTW!

    4. Re:The "solution" by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1

      neither of my phones worked for 3 hours until the servers got caught up a bit.

      Makes you wonder what they're doing so wrong on their activation servers.

      100,000 per day still only amounts to a little over one per second. Even allowing for peaks, that shouldn't saturate even a moderately specced server. What are they running on, G3 XServes?

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    5. Re:The "solution" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RIM, Jobs, what's the difference?

      Very nicely done, sir!

    6. Re:The "solution" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On an iPhone, probably. Though it still should handle (100000/86400) activations per sec ok, unless "activation" involves sending whole memory dump to the server and checksumming it to check for tampering.

  3. I'm waiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the time when the AT&T 611 hotline gets Slashdotted.

  4. Redirecting the load? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Call AT&T by dialing 611 and talking to an operator to perform a manual activation

    So now you'll just be overwhelming the meatbag variety of server.

  5. Good service is good service by Pieroxy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Surprise of the day: AT&T activation servers work roughly as well as their cell coverage in urban areas.

    Note that if you can't activate your iPhone, you can't drop calls!!!

    1. Re:Good service is good service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hating on the iPhone, fashionable and guaranteed to keep you an angry internet nerd!

    2. Re:Good service is good service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So judging from your spelling and punctuation you're the stupid internet nerd?

    3. Re:Good service is good service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T's activation servers work roughly as well as the GSM iPhone's signal reception.

      captcha: accuracy

    4. Re:Good service is good service by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I thought the news story was that somebody with AT&T service managed to contact the servers. And not just one person, but enough people to overwhelm the servers. In AT&T's defense, I'm sure they had no idea that any of those people would manage to get online to activate.

    5. Re:Good service is good service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick it seems is to go to Verizon and get the iPhone 4S. Then wait 60 days, so your account is in good standing. Then contact them and tell them you are traveling to a country that has no CDMA (one in Europe will work) and you would like to have the unlock code so that you can use your phone on a GSM carrier. Now you will have a true world phone with both CDMA and GSM, no Tether blocking, and the HSPA+ chip (not for T-Mo, still seems strange to me). Pay the $350 to get out of contract and go over to AT&T or Sprint or stay with Verizon. Now you have the ability to move from carrier to carrier with you iPhone. You could even use it as a pay as you go phone. Yes this is cheaper than buying the unlocked GSM version in November when it will be a $450 markup over contract prices.

    6. Re:Good service is good service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay the $350 to get out of contract and go over to AT&T or Sprint or stay with Verizon. Now you have the ability to move from carrier to carrier with you iPhone

      In the US, just because a phone is compatible does not mean that carrier will activate it and allow you to use it on their network.

    7. Re:Good service is good service by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      In the US, just because a phone is compatible does not mean that carrier will activate it and allow you to use it on their network.

      I think that would be true for Sprint (which is why you cannot buy an unlocked phone to use on Sprint or Verizon) but AT&T should be able to work fine on an unlocked phone. They are more than happy to have you paying them for service.

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  6. Haven't we heard this before? by bl4nk · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    First it's, "you're holding it wrong," now it's, "you're activating it wrong".

    Can't blame this one on Steve.

    1. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Sure we can. Clearly, the Reality Distortion Field takes some time to completely dissipate. ~

    2. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of "you're doing it wrong", it's just the latest iteration of AT&T's systems not being able to handle the load of an insane day-of-release demand. Just like with every iPhone launch day that they've been involved with. There's plenty of blame to go around: throngs of people who have to have something the day it comes out instead of waiting a few days, back-end systems that don't scale properly to meet an anticipatable demand, etc.

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    3. Re:Haven't we heard this before? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of "you're doing it wrong", it's just the latest iteration of AT&T's systems not being able to handle the load of an insane day-of-release demand. Just like with every iPhone launch day that they've been involved with. There's plenty of blame to go around: throngs of people who have to have something the day it comes out instead of waiting a few days, back-end systems that don't scale properly to meet an anticipatable demand, etc.

      Yeah. Except that AT&T has 4 years or experience with this, as every iPhone has come out on AT&T. Verizon's getting a hang of it 8 months after the first release (which sold pretty well). And Sprint's getting a first-hand look.

      Apple screwed up the iPhone 3G launch - *it's* activation servers failed that day. Since then Apple seems to be able to handle the load. (The iPhone uses iTunes to download configuration info - including stuff like if the serial number is associated with a locked phone or not. It's slightly more interesting with the iCloud activation now).

      As for getting it first day - unlike the iPhone4 launch last year which had 8+ hour lines, I stood in line for 20 minutes and got one. Which was really a lot quicker than any other cellphone at a cellphone store - it seems buying a phone can take 30+ minutes. It looks like our Apple Store got a few *thousand* phones in stock. Which will probably last until Saturday evening.

      And nothing wrong with getting stuff on the day of release. I wouldn't have bought it if there were multi-hour lines, but they said 45 minutes, and I went through in 20. And with that I cancelled my preorder, so I got my phone a couple of weeks ahead of time.

  7. I just received and activated.. its restoring now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Activated using the dial in number from my old phone.

    It asked me to turn off my new phone for five minutes. I did so.

    I turned it on after 5 minutes to my delight... AT&T 3g

    There was a very short on hold while "Please wait while AT&T activates your phone" had me on hold. But it was maybe 45 seconds.

    Number I called: 866-895-1099

  8. Something's coded stupidly methink by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Activating" a cellphone means little less than recovering a few personal details from the new customer, the phone's serial number or equivalent, stuffing everything in a database, working out some magic number based on some algorithm and send it back to the phone. Big deal... I can write an application like that without even being a specialist and not hose a small server with a million requests a day, let alone 100,000...

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    1. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Dyinobal · · Score: 1

      ya I was thinking the same thing, unless the bottleneck is the network and not the database server itself. It wouldn't surprise me if at&t had the equivalent of a cup and string in terms of bandwidth to their activation servers.

    2. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by hawguy · · Score: 2

      "Activating" a cellphone means little less than recovering a few personal details from the new customer, the phone's serial number or equivalent, stuffing everything in a database, working out some magic number based on some algorithm and send it back to the phone. Big deal... I can write an application like that without even being a specialist and not hose a small server with a million requests a day, let alone 100,000...

      Sure, it's easy to write a standalone server to take requests and put them into your local MySQL database, but you're stuffing it into the same database that the data for 75 million other customers are using and probably traversing several layers of API and who knows how many network hops to get to that database.

    3. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're doing it very wrong. Firs and foremost, most of these customers were already identified ahead of time (because they preordered the phone), so you could have *easily* extracted their information beforehand and copied it to the "local mysql database". Additionally, writing back to the "central database" could be also easily offloaded to a background job that performed the work asynchronously. There's no need to have this information instantly available in the central.

    4. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by hawguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then you're doing it very wrong. Firs and foremost, most of these customers were already identified ahead of time (because they preordered the phone), so you could have *easily* extracted their information beforehand and copied it to the "local mysql database". Additionally, writing back to the "central database" could be also easily offloaded to a background job that performed the work asynchronously. There's no need to have this information instantly available in the central.

      While the customers may have been preidentified, their phones IMEI/SIM's weren't assigned until the phone was shipped. And until you link a customer account to a phone, you can't activate the phone. In any case, even if you prestaged the data somewhere, you still need to flip the switch at the appropriate time to make the new phone active, and that's probably the heavyweight transaction, not the act of entering the new data into the database. I imagine that a phone activation means replicating the data across many regional sites. Even though I called it a "database", it may not even be a database in the traditional sense, it may be a custom cell phone controller with a complicated API with high latency for updates.

      Since in many (most? all?) of these cases, the old phone was replaced by the new phone, customers don't want to activate it online, then find at some random time in the future (minutes? Hours? Days?), their old phone stops working and they have to switch to the new phone - they want it activated immediately so they can turn off their old phone and turn on the new phone and have it up and running immediately.

      I imagine that the transaction monitor on their transaction processing system allocated a limited number of transaction slots to the activation servers - they don't want to take down their entire network due to high activation demand.

    5. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No other phone requires activation.

    6. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      When I signed up to U-Verse I gave them my credit card info and asked for automatic billing. About 3 months later I get a letter in the mail complaining that I hadn't paid for the last 3 months of service. Somehow this is normal for them. It actually takes them a few months to figure out how to bill me automatically and I just missed that note when I signed up. Since then I'm really not surprised when I hear about AT&T's systems not keeping up.

    7. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Or, a better idea, they could just not have activation. Like every other phone in existence.

      Yes, I'll take a cheque.

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    8. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, 100,000 seems like a unit or integration test, not something that would overload the system

    9. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Or, a better idea, they could just not have activation. Like every other phone in existence.

      Yes, I'll take a cheque.

      What cell phone doesn't have activation? My Verizon phone had to be activated. My T-Mobile prepaid phone had to be activated.

      Is there some carrier that ships a phone already activated and ready to go with no activation required? What happens if you order a replacement phone? How do they know when you're ready to deactivate the old phone and activate the new one?

    10. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by j_sp_r · · Score: 1

      They generally ship me a pre-activated SIM card. Just put it in your phone (or move it between phones) and be ready to go.

    11. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      The SIM card. Where I come from, activation only happens with CDMA phones, and we no longer have a CDMA network - we're all 3G up in here.

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    12. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The slowdown might be from there (sprint/att) servers waiting for apples to respond that they have saved all your personal info to there databases.

    13. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CDMA phones require activation. However, on the GSM side, none of my Android phones required activation (although the Motorola one did require signing up for a MB account), and the dumbphones just found the SIM card and worked.

      Only the iPhone has required explicit activation.

    14. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Might be some patching involved. Keep in mind you don't control the radio in your phone, they need to be set up to receive updates securely.

      But yea, this is an iPhone story, not a real story.

    15. Re:Something's coded stupidly methink by sjames · · Score: 1

      That's why things like that should be shoved into a local flat file or database and periodically merged with the big database as a batch job as a back end process.

      It's not like the server load after a new iPhone comes out is a surprise.

  9. conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Seriously, that's all this had become. They had a top notch cool phone, but now it's par, if not lagging behind many android devises. SO technology isn't the reason people buy them

    I was at the mall, huge line, probably 150 people to get into the Apple store. Not 50 feet away is an AT&T store, also selling them. No Line.
    I swung buy Best Buy, no line.

    So, people are clearly getting them as a status symbol.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption

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    1. Re:conspicuous consumption by artor3 · · Score: 1

      I own an Android, and have no interest in getting an iPhone, but I think it's worth being clear that not all iPhone owners, or even the majority of them, buy the phone as a status symbol. It's only the people who run out to buy each new model as it's launched, even though their old one is perfectly good, who are guilty of conspicuous consumption.

    2. Re:conspicuous consumption by iluvcapra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Something cannot be "par" and a status symbol at the same time.

      It seems to me that if you're making this argument, you're just as positionally-conscious as the iSheep (or whatever we'd like to call them), you just use different criteria, no doubt better criteria that is obviously more aligned with value than those other people you don't understand. /s

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    3. Re:conspicuous consumption by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I think he's saying that the phones used to be leading edge technically, but now they're at the same level or lower than the high-end Android phones ... but people still seem to be treating having an Apple phone as a status symbol. Because of the level of technology it's become more obvious that it is a status symbol.

    4. Re:conspicuous consumption by nweaver · · Score: 2

      As a conspicuous consumption item, the iphone 4S is actually a big bucket o fail: it looks the same as the old one. How many people griped that it didn't look like the "iPhone 5" leaks?!?

      And I just bought mine (finally shifting from a dumb phone) for the technology.

      The screen really is brilliant, and I wouldn't want a bigger screen (read, block-o-stuff) in my pocket, it can now actually work as a phone, the iOS app ecology is better established, the processor is excellent, and it really is an easy to use smartphone.

      Although Siri still refuses to open the pod bay doors.

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    5. Re:conspicuous consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People line up at the Apple store because they know Apple has more in stock than the other stores.

      Why risk being the 11th person at a store that has 10, when you can be the 67'th person at a store that has 75.

    6. Re:conspicuous consumption by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because of the level of technology it's become more obvious that it is a status symbol.

      I think the iPhone's circumstance as a status symbol has always been rather patent.

      The interesting fact is that a Nexus S or a Blackberry or a Droid Bionic are also status symbols -- just because your phone runs a different OS, or it has twice the RAM, that doesn't suddenly make your purchase decision perforce more rational or less status-conscious. The fact that Android and Blackberrys (not so much the second one lately) have defenders and people proudly stating their ownership on this forum clearly demonstrates that owning these phones confers status and attributes the owner with a particular set of values, independent of the actual rational decision to buy the thing.

      I just don't think the "status symbol" argument is a useful one -- everybody buys status, and people who run around with Frodo t-shirts and Star Trek bumper stickers (that's me) and hiking boots that never see a dirt road should probably be careful about how they critique social signaling.

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    7. Re:conspicuous consumption by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I was at the mall, huge line, probably 150 people to get into the Apple store. Not 50 feet away is an AT&T store, also selling them. No Line.

      I went and bought one this morning at the AT&T store. The store opened at 8:00, I arrived at about 7:55 and there were probably about 20 people in line ahead of me. 45 minutes later, I had my new iPhone.

    8. Re:conspicuous consumption by Moofie · · Score: 2

      So, the non-status-conscious Android user proceeds from the assumption that only status-seekers buy iPhones.

      Right?

      Methinks thou dost protest too much. Why the hell do you care what other people do with their money? Why do you think it's important to belittle them?

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    9. Re:conspicuous consumption by Moofie · · Score: 2

      Or, perhaps, feature lists (or "levels of technology") are not what people care about.

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    10. Re:conspicuous consumption by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      iPhone User: "I love my phone."
      Android User: "I hate your phone."

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    11. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 1

      yes, by wording on my part. On par, as in equal to.

      Again, my bad.

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    12. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Did you read my link? Apparently some Apple fanboi with mod points didn't.

      ", even though their old one is perfectly good, who are guilty of conspicuous consumption"
      which would be a majority of people in that line. I mean, why wait in an Apple line, when you could walk 50 feet and get the same thing if you aren't there as a status symbol?

      Everyone does conspicuous consumption. I now make a point of thinking if that's the reasons I make purchase. And yes, sometime I make the purchase anyways.

      I was just amused to find such a vibrant real world text book example

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    13. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I disagree. At the beginning it was a good leap in what we could carry around. Music, phone, good interface. Usable, useful, and practical. It developed into a status symbol item.

      It was an observation of an interesting phenomena playing out it real time.

      Personally, I try very hard to be sure Im not making a purchase for status.

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    14. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 0

      if the technical aspects of the phone aren't what is important, then status is all that is left.

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    15. Re:conspicuous consumption by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Maybe it has to do with some people who actually want an iPhone but haven't been able to get one because they were on Verizon or Sprint. Or they were not yet eligible for an upgrade on AT&T. But let's stick with the iPhone is a status symbol because it fits your meme without any thought about the situation.

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    16. Re:conspicuous consumption by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Maybe usability is more important to some people than the number of cycles the processor runs. Maybe.

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    17. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 0

      I was merely pointing out how interesting the phenomena is; watching it play right there.

      I notice you don't address the point; that they could have walked 50 feet and bought the same phone at the AT&T store; instead they were waiting in line.

      Why else other then conspicuous consumption? Look at me, I'm in line at an Apple store!

      " Why the hell do you care what other people do with their money?"
      I think people should be aware why they are making the choice they are making. Most people don't. They come up with excuses to make purchases.

      "Why do you think it's important to belittle them?"
      I belittled no one. When did merely pointing out a facet of a group become 'belittle?' You claim to be a rocket scientist, yet you can't read a simple observation without twisting it to your bias? Well, I shouldn't be too surprised, rocket science is the east and simplest for of engineering and science.

      See, that's belittlement. Also, I kid.

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    18. Re:conspicuous consumption by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I don't hate the iPhone.
      Never have.

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    19. Re:conspicuous consumption by jo42 · · Score: 1

      The problem with "Android" is that it rhymes with "Hemorrhoid".

      Why would anyone want to buy something that sounds like a condition that is a huge pain in the ass?

    20. Re:conspicuous consumption by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      They had a top notch cool phone, but now it's par, if not lagging behind many android devises.

      Citation needed.

      And, let's make it clear, you won't find a citation to support your comment because it is false.

      Here - unlike you, I'll back up my claim:

      http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/iphone-4s-preliminary-benchmarks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2

      The iPhone 4S is faster than virtually every mobile device currently on the market with the sole exception of a two top-tier tablets (the iPad 2 and, in one test, the Samsung Galaxy Tab, which have more space enabling more power). Against other phones, the 4S is currently ahead of everything else.

      So, how is it that you can claim that the iPhone 4S is only on par, if not lagging behind Android devices when the facts don't support that?

    21. Re:conspicuous consumption by Moofie · · Score: 1

      That's just not true. Design does not mean shiny. Design means good engineering, and good user interface. That is what I am paying for. I'm also paying for the superb customer service I've gotten from Apple over the last 20 years.

      Never been cool, never will be. Status is irrelevant. Design is relevant. Customer support is relevant. Technical aspects of the phone aren't irrelevant by any means, but they're not the most important thing.

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    22. Re:conspicuous consumption by codepunk · · Score: 1

      Not only is the hardware top notch but he overlooks the most important reason the iphone still blows away the competition. Apple's development pipeline uses "native executable code" resulting in apps that run far faster and much more efficient. The hardware is as near standard as possible allowing developers to easily target a known platform. Then we get to the market vs the app store, there is no comparison the app store wins hands down.

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    23. Re:conspicuous consumption by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I was at the mall, huge line, probably 150 people to get into the Apple store. Not 50 feet away is an AT&T store, also selling them. No Line.
      I swung buy Best Buy, no line.

      Are you saying that BOTH the AT&T store and Best Buy HAD THEM IN STOCK at the same moment there was a line at the Apple store?

      If so, then I might agree with you... If not, maybe the Apple Store had them in stock.. Also, haven't you ever seen a movie on the opening day? I haven't in a long time, and would tend to not do it nowadays.. but have done it, and would do it for the right movie.

    24. Re:conspicuous consumption by lucm · · Score: 1

      maybe you should take the stand in the Apple vs Samsung trial

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    25. Re:conspicuous consumption by mobby_6kl · · Score: 0

      More like, "I don't give a fuck about your phone you smug asshole"

    26. Re:conspicuous consumption by Xest · · Score: 1

      100,000 in a day isn't particularly great anyway on AT&T though, what happened to Apple having massive preorders that were supposedly newsworthy last week? Android sees around 300,000 activations on a normal day let alone near release, and the iPhone 4 (not the 4S) had just short of a million.

      This seems to be an admittance that the iPhone 4S is a bit of a flop after all despite the pre-order hype. Certainly those sales figures are a little underwhelming compared to releases of previous iPhones.

      But the real question is why the activation troubles this time? They handled a much higher load at the iPhone 4 release.

    27. Re:conspicuous consumption by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      This.

      I have an iPhone 4 and have no plans to upgrade to the 4s until its at least 2 years old. I boggle at the people who upgrade every year, but oh well, it's their money. I'm glad they're helping the economy. :)

    28. Re:conspicuous consumption by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Ha, Android user here that says "I love this tool for communication and entertainment and I love the non-walled garden freedom I got with it"
      I feel sorry for the iPhone users that they don't have the same without jailbreaking it.

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    29. Re:conspicuous consumption by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      Sure it can. Status = normal -> Have sex with, no red flags.

    30. Re:conspicuous consumption by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      100,000 in a day isn't particularly great anyway on AT&T though, what happened to Apple having massive preorders that were supposedly newsworthy last week? Android sees around 300,000 activations on a normal day let alone near release, and the iPhone 4 (not the 4S) had just short of a million.

      I think the problem of AT&T not being to handle 100K is not the number but that it is the additional number on top of normal activations they might have had that day and their systems can't handle the excess not the capacity. And the Android activation number is across all carriers not just one carrier.

      and the iPhone 4 (not the 4S) had just short of a million. This seems to be an admittance that the iPhone 4S is a bit of a flop after all despite the pre-order hype. Certainly those sales figures are a little underwhelming compared to releases of previous iPhones.

      According to wiki, Apple pre-sold 600K iPhones last year when they launched the iPhone 4 with 1.7M in the first 3 days after launch. According to Apple this year, they pre-sold 1M. It does not appear that the numbers support your contention. While the iPhone 4S isn't overwhelming the pundits and they have declared it will flop, most of them seem to forget that not everyone can upgrade their phones whenever a new model comes out. Some people have to upgrade every other model. In this case, AT&T customers who bought the 3GS new are now eligible for an upgrade. For Sprint customers, this is the first time they can get an iPhone. For Verizon customers, those that could not get a new phone last year can get one now. For someone who has a iPhone 4, there isn't a big leap to the 4S, but for those who had the 3GS, it is a big leap.

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    31. Re:conspicuous consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I wouldn't want a bigger screen (read, block-o-stuff) in my pocket

      You like the thick black bezel on top and bottom?

    32. Re:conspicuous consumption by iluvcapra · · Score: 1

      Personally, I try very hard to be sure Im not making a purchase for status.

      Why? Do you think status is an invalid reason to buy something? Normally I'd consider that a rather subjective value judgement.

      Maybe you're insecure. Maybe you think you'll look like a chump if you buy a popular thing. Deciding you won't buy something for "status" is really just a way of saying "I'm buying something that rejects prevailing trends." Of course, that still makes the phone you buy a status symbol, it's just tuned to a different value system and peers.

      Nobody needs a dual-core 1GHz cellphone with a gig of RAM; all the marginal attributes are really just an expression of yourself and your subjective values.

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  10. Is it just me, by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Funny

    or does it look *exactly* like the Galaxy? *ducks*

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  11. Wow, 100,000 activations... by nweaver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    100,000 AT&T activations, out of well over 1M sales!?!?

    If so, most people have heeded the advice: Sprint is cheaper, and Verizon you can make phone calls on.

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    1. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Azureflare · · Score: 1

      Yep, people would have to be idiots to go with ATT. I'm still with them and the only reason I am is that I'm locked into a 2 year contract. As soon as the contract expires, I'm going to Verizon or Sprint. Just as long as it's NOT ATT.

    2. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sprint and Verizon are fine if you like being locked to a single carrier and never travel anywhere.

    3. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Pokermike · · Score: 2

      Sprint customers can use the Verizon network. So, why use Verizon?

      I confirmed this the hard way while trying to activate my iPhone with Sprint w/o WiFi. I had 3+ bars and couldn't get the damn thing to activate until I accidentally wandered into the 1 cubic foot of space where I could get Sprint's signal.

    4. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      100,000 AT&T activations, out of well over 1M sales!?!?

      I think the one million sales figure was for international sales, not US only.

    5. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100,000 AT&T activations, out of well over 1M sales!?!?

      If so, most people have heeded the advice: Sprint is cheaper, and Verizon you can make phone calls on.

      Verizon has an incompatible network.

      I suspect all these phones are being resold to iSheep at a steep markup.

    6. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I've never really had problems with AT&T's network here in southern California. From what I've seen, it's noticeably faster than Verizon's 3G (and, with an iPhone, there's no 4G option) and I can probably count the number of dropped calls in two years on one hand.

      That said, I did run into an interesting situation last weekend. I was downloading some data from the Internet using EDGE (test case) when I got back an error basically saying that my Internet connection had gone down. This had never happened using 3G. My only theory was that this area is one of those small holes in AT&T's coverage and I don't see this with 3G because I've usually finished my download before I enter this area. Still--it showed off a bug that I have to deal with.

      Of course, I've heard some real horror stories with AT&T in places other than southern California, so your mileage may vary.

    7. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Verizon has one problem: their 3G network is pretty slow. I've got an AT&T 3G iPad and a Verizon Moto Droid, and the speed is noticeably higher on AT&T. Of course, the Droid can actually get data service a lot more places than the AT&T device, but it's a real dilemma.

      If this were the iPhone 5, with LTE data speeds, I'd have pre-ordered and switched. As it is, I'm already used to the way Android does things (i.e., the unpolished bits don't bother me much) and will probably get a Galaxy Nexus or Droid HD to get the speed upgrade.

    8. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      That's just the people on AT&T who tried to activate today. Some people aren't on AT&T or haven't gotten their phones yet because UPS/FedEx needs a signature and they weren't home.

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    9. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Depends where you live. Around here I'd have significant difficulties downloading anything from AT&T via 3G, it would regularly lose connectivity mid transfer and moving to EDGE would be unreliable. I ended up just turning off the 3G because my downloads were a lot faster with EDGE.

    10. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100,000 AT&T activations, out of well over 1M sales!?!?

      Most of the fanbois just take them out of the box, stroke them gently and put them right back.

    11. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      It's according to where you live, I guess. I get 1 to 0 bars with Verizon (at home), but get full bars with AT&T. I still hate them, but no other choice.

      No Sprint towers, so the signal is the same as Verizon.

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    12. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Why would you go with AT&T, when you can spend the same amount for service from Verizon?

    13. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Bodero · · Score: 1

      Sprint customers can use the Verizon network. So, why use Verizon?

      Sprint can use Verizon for voice and 1x data, but they do not use Verizon's 3G service.

    14. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, some of us "idiots" went with AT&T because, surprise, they were the only carrier available at the time. I might give Sprint a shot next upgrade window. Verizon has terrible service where I live and their data is 1/2 the speed of AT&T. Data is more important to me than voice.

    15. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've noticed that on AT&T's network there are cells out in the country which claim to support EDGE, but actually have no internet connection at all. I believe that when you see an EDGE or 3G connection, that just indicates how you are talking to the tower, not that you are connected to anything past the tower. It's also possible that other operators are the same way.

    16. Re:Wow, 100,000 activations... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this particular case the Google phones home apps are a plus. the connection icon is gray without connegtion to google, green when connectede

  12. The sort of problem you wanna have by iluvcapra · · Score: 0, Troll

    Let's be honest, Samsung only wishes it could overload AT&Ts servers with Nexus S activations.

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    1. Re:The sort of problem you wanna have by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      You mean the Galaxy S2? The Nexus S is from December of last year. Also, they don't require the same activation via server that the iPhone does... It's almost like they thought ahead about this.

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    2. Re:The sort of problem you wanna have by Wovel · · Score: 1

      YEs they do require the same activation, you just don't notice because despite what you may think no carrier has sold even half that many of any Android phones in a day...One did reach about half in a weekend though. Not sure why you think the carrier doesn't have to activate Android phones.

  13. only that many? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their servers can't handle 100,000 connections? o.O

    That doesn't really seem like that much for one of the biggest internet/phone/communication companies in the U.S./world.

  14. Optus has this problem too by definate · · Score: 1

    Optus in Australia has this problem too. Almost no one switching from them to another phone provider (and taking their phone number with them), was able to make the switch. Additionally, their website was down almost all yesterday.

    All the other providers seemed to have managed it a lot better.

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  15. Re:Better Solution by kanguro · · Score: 1

    Buy an Android

    For what?

  16. Poor state of infrastructure in the US by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    In case anyone thinks that the US has good/solid infrastructure, remember this moment.

    The AT&T network is so poor that it bogs down when a vendor comes out with a popular new phone.

    Now let's see if you can actually make a call while in Manhattan.

    1. Re:Poor state of infrastructure in the US by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      "In case anyone thinks that the US has good/solid infrastructure"

      No one thinks that, our internet sucks, ota tv is useless, our power grid fails multiple times a month during both summer and winter, roads are a crumbling joke and bridges and dams are falling apart.

      Then there is the bipartisan government circle jerking for a decade racking up the bribes so GE can sell off our R&D to Brazil, while our kids are taking pieces of the road to chuck at each other cause they are too stupid to not even play in the middle of the street, and you are worried about a phone call in a densely packed urban shithole?

  17. Sprint porting seems overloaded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm moving to sprint... well... sometime.... I don't know if its slowness on the AT&T side, but I've been waiting since 10am for my number to port, sprint has told me over the course of the day within 30 minutes (at the counter after signing the contract), within 2 hours (when I called at noon), within 12 hours (when I called at 4), and now 24-48 hours (just now)... at this rate, by tomorrow afternoon they will tell me in a month or two...

    Like I said, I suspect its probably AT&T's systems that are overloaded... but its not the best first impression.

    1. Re:Sprint porting seems overloaded by Otterley · · Score: 1

      Check the status at http://www.sprint.com/bringyournumber/ - if it says your port status is complete, then either do an iTunes or iCloud backup of your new phone, then go to Settings > General > Reset > Erase all Content and Settings. That will put your phone back in factory setup mode, and your phone should then get your new number. Then you can restore your backup and happiness will resume :)

  18. They forgot slowdown curves are hyperbolas by davecb · · Score: 5, Informative

    People assume slowdowns are always linear, so they get the wrong answers, and under-provision all the time (;-))

    Assume a really fast activation in 1/10 second, on a machine that's always got 10 CPUs free for the activation jobs. Each CPU will activate 10 phones in 1 second, but if 11 people per CPU request activation, the 11th will wait a full tenth before they start, plus 1/10 second to do the work. The 12th will wait 2/10 plus 1/10 to do the work, and so on.

    100,000 people / 10 CPUs = a load of 10,000 users. Plug that into the queuing equation from which I got the above, and the average time to activate will be 999.1 seconds, or 16 minutes. Not fun!

    The actual case is probably a lot worse, with slow activations and overloaded servers, but any time when you can get a really large number of users trying to do something in a short period of time, the average time to do the work will be scary large. Unless they just happen to be within the first 10 callers, of course!

    That means that you need to temporarily allocate a hugely larger number of resources than you'd expect on first glance. If you and your manager don't already know that the response time curve looks like a hockey stick, you can easily get into a career-limiting situation by under-planning for a predicted overload.

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    1. Re:They forgot slowdown curves are hyperbolas by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Assume a really fast activation in 1/10 second, on a machine that's always got 10 CPUs free for the activation jobs. Each CPU will activate 10 phones in 1 second, but if 11 people per CPU request activation, the 11th will wait a full tenth before they start, plus 1/10 second to do the work. The 12th will wait 2/10 plus 1/10 to do the work, and so on.

      No, that does not follow. Your math assumes that the 12 caller will have to wait for the 11th, like the 11th had to wait for one of the ten preceding callers to finish. That's not true. The 12th caller can take the place of any of the preceding callers. He'll be only marginally slower than the 11th caller.

      Unless, of course, someone has locked each registration to a CPU when they enter the queue, but why would anyone do that?
      In reality, registrations won't even be assigned to separate queues ahead of time, because that doesn't work well when the variance in time is noticeable - you end up with empty CPUs and slow queues at the same time. (Also known as the slow cash register lane problem.)

    2. Re:They forgot slowdown curves are hyperbolas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      --dave (wearing his capacityplannerhat) c-b

      FYI: it's really annoying when people do this "interstitially modified handle" signoff. I know you may think of this as your "shtick", but it just appears self-indulgent. Furthermore, you seem smugly retarded if you are wrong, as in this case (as others have already pointed out).

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    3. Re:They forgot slowdown curves are hyperbolas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are awesomely correct. But we are not talking about some mid-level enterprise that (management as well as IT) deals with such a situation for the first time.

      We are talking about Apple and a big freaking carrier. They could have forseen it and could have rented a couple (dozens) of more servers all over the world for the fraction of a fraction of their billions of cash they make per quarter.

      So... nope, sir, no excuse here.

    4. Re:They forgot slowdown curves are hyperbolas by davecb · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I indeed said that wrong! It's actually the 21st. The equation does do it correctly, fortunately (I use qef and jmt, by the way)

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  19. Noes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tragic... First World Problems.

  20. DONT FOLLOW THE ADVICE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE POST by PowerMacG4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    DONT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE: Adds an anonymous optimist: "The solution? Call AT&T by dialing 611 and talking to an operator to perform a manual activation with your IMEI and SIM card #, works every time!" It will brick your phone (Apple's servers will reject your phone due to "mismatched SIM" and it will refuse to activate) and you will need to go to an Apple Store for a replacement. I spent all fucking day doing this.

  21. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    sexy times

  22. Not to mention... by mrivorey · · Score: 1

    ...thousands of UPS and FedEx drivers today.

  23. Wasn't that bad by smitty97 · · Score: 1

    Only took me 2 tries, at about 7pm est.

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  24. The 4S is a true world phone... by nweaver · · Score: 2

    It is both CDMA and GSM in the same phone.

    All US carriers lock the phones.

    But the 4S actually is a true world phone, so after you've been "good" for 2 months Verizon will release the Sim Lock and you can put your prepaid burner sim in it, and until then they will provide a sim if you want pricey roaming before then.

    This is actually better than AT&T which just won't release the sim lock AFAIK.

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    1. Re:The 4S is a true world phone... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Will Verizon actually release the SIM lock, though? Things seem to be "different" when an iPhone is involved. AT&T, for example, will release the SIM lock for every one of their phones except the iPhone. I suppose we'll have to wait two months to find out.

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  25. Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIMs servers go down/can't keep up to the demand on their infrastructure after a hardware failure, and it is the end of the company.

    Apple can't keep up with new registrations, and it is a success.

    1. Re:Hypocrites by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Other than the fact that current RIM users had their service go down for no explainable reason for 3 days. With Apple and AT&T, their new phone isn't activated instantly when they wanted. They might have to wait a few hours. Until then, I understand they could use their current phone.

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    2. Re:Hypocrites by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Other than the fact that current RIM users had their service go down for no explainable reason for 3 days. With Apple and AT&T, their new phone isn't activated instantly when they wanted. They might have to wait a few hours.

      I don't know how RIM users in other countries fared, but I had blackberry email delays for about 4 hours before it cleared up. Annoying, but not enough to make me move from Blackberry for corporate use.

      Until then, I understand they could use their current phone.

      Except, of course, those people that bought a new phone rather than a replacement.

    3. Re:Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here 1000 phones. 2-4 hour delay on a few emails. Nothing else. Of course emails were still available on our Exchange system and OWA.

    4. Re:Hypocrites by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      Except, of course, those people that bought a new phone rather than a replacement.

      Then nothing would have been lost except they would have to wait a while before using a new phone. It wasn't as if they missed calls or messages on a phone no one was trying to reach them on.

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    5. Re:Hypocrites by wazza · · Score: 1

      That's not quite true - the reason that RIM's network went down certainly was completely explainable, but RIM just didn't deign to explain it. I find that difference important, and it's another reason to avoid all things Blackberry for me.

  26. Not Just AT&T by borrrden · · Score: 1

    Here in Japan, the same thing is happening to Softbank. My coworker was told to wait a little while before coming to get his phone because the server had crashed.

  27. Re:Better Solution by ozmanjusri · · Score: 0, Troll

    For what?

    A phone YOU can own.

    A phone that'll work as soon as you take it out of the box.

    A phone that doesn't need to call Big Brother for permission before letting you use it.

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  28. The new Nokia N9 on the other hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...works right out of the box. No activation nonsense. And it's pretty nice. But you can't have one. Sorry.

    1. Re:The new Nokia N9 on the other hand... by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      And it uses the same micro SIM card too!

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  29. Should have outsourced that... by marcroelofs · · Score: 1

    Should have outsourced that to a Google cloud, they do that number every day for a year now no problem.

  30. I think it's kind of cool by symbolset · · Score: 2

    I'm not in danger of ever buying an iThing, but I like it that people get excited about new tech things. It means that technology still has the power to move us emotionally as humans. It means new stuff is still happening. The tech can touch our hearts. Otherwise it's boring.

    Me, I like boring. I like letting everybody else try the new thing usually - the only exception these last 30 years being the Asus Transformer I bought on launch day. But the idea that tech has the ability to move us emotionally gives me hope that it's on the right track maybe.

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  31. Re:Better Solution by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    I take it you've never actuated a phone before?

  32. Re:Better Solution by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Browser with incognito mode.

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  33. this is gonna hurt but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could wait a month or two.

    ok, start swinging.

  34. pt barnum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    suckers....that's all I have to say....

  35. Re:Better Solution by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2

    I take it you've never actuated a phone before?

    Let me guess, you used Siri to post that?

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  36. Where did the 100,000 number come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My understanding was that AT&T had 200,000 in just pre-orders.

  37. Waiting for an email from AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The server accepted my request, but said that it will take some time to process (or something like that) and that I'll receive an email from them - and that in the meantime, the iPhone is available to configure. So, since then I've putting all my media, etc. on it. Still no email from AT&T, though. It's been like five hours.

  38. Re:DONT FOLLOW THE ADVICE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE POS by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Apple's servers will reject your phone due to "mismatched SIM" and it will refuse to activate

    Now there's a perfectly ordinary sentence. Why the hell does Apple's server or any services Apple offers need to be attached to the phone rather than to a customer account?

  39. iNough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm looking forward to at least these stories in 24 hours:

    "New iPhones charging now placing extra demand on grid".
    Then "New iPhone users excited over new iPhone after hours of using it".
    Shortly thereafter "New iPhones causes mass colds from people having stood in line for it".
    Followed by "New iPhones keep sniffling users company in bed."
    and "New iPhone's Siri sings Lullabies for better recovery."
    Not to forget "New iPhone shares Steve Jobs' home recipe for chicken soup"
    and "New iPhone possession nears 2nd day..."

    People....I wish, there was an app to use the iPhone as a fever thermometer, so you can FINALLY SHOVE IT UP YOU ASS!!

  40. your all dumb asses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and shouldn't read slasdot because you fall for marketing gimmicks.

  41. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, you mean activated.

    Second, I'm not him, but I've never activated a phone. You put the battery in, turn the phone on, set the date and time, and it's alive -- all software works, you can get a WLAN connection and do any internet stuff, everything. If you already put your SIM in, you'll have WWAN & voice service as well; if not (say you kept the SIM in your old phone until the new one is fully charged, etc.), shut it off, put the SIM in, power it back up, and you're on!

    No "activation" involved -- same story for a couple dumbphones, a couple featurephones, and a smartphone. Any phones that make you activate/register them before you can use them are defective by design -- the only justification for it is a total reliance on "cloud" services, thus making the phone useless without registration, and that's a bug, not a feature.

  42. and yet again a company's servers overload by thelonesun · · Score: 1

    Again, a company's servers overload due to totally predictable load. Outsource a bit of that load to AC2 or some other service of the like on the week of release to prevent this next time, AT&T and every other company that has people download mass amounts of data.

  43. Activation server? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Why do you need an activation server at all for???

    If done right the subscription you have shall already be activated, or activated when you purchase it.

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    1. Re:Activation server? by Relayman · · Score: 1

      As soon as the new phone is activated, the old phone is deactivated. I don't want my old phone deactivated when my new phone is sitting in a box in Texas.

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    2. Re:Activation server? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Which still is stupid if you have a SIM card that connects to the subscription.

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  44. Yet another way to add to the hype , but facts are by Kartu · · Score: 1

    Apple sells 80+ million iPhones annually.
    That's roughly 250 thousands per day on average.
    Now think how "impressive" are 1 million 4S pre-orders and 100k activations per day.

  45. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't. Why would I? I don't rent my phones from carriers.

  46. Re:Better Solution by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    That would be, because the first thing that the phone does when it's turned on is... wait for it... contacts the activation server silently and activates itself. All phones must do this – it's simply a matter of registering that the IMEI is in use, and with what SIM it's currently associated.

    Notably, this is exactly what an iPhone does – you turn it on for the first time, you see the setup screens (no date and time because you know... it does that automatically), and while you fill in a form or two it activates itself.

  47. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if a GSM has to active its GSM/IMEI combination before it can be used. How can you call an operator on that phone to active?

  48. Re:Better Solution by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    That would be, because the activation is at the network end –they allow calls from that IMEI/SIM combination if and only if it's activated, or the call is to an allowed number (e.g. the activation line, or 999)

  49. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have some backend mainframe with all their customer data where they need to purchase more CPU cycles. So they can throw all the servers at them in the frontend and it won't matter because it costs a fortune to buy the extra cycles for a short spike.

  50. 100,000? by MikeMo · · Score: 1

    It appears the poster made up the 100,000 number. It is not mentioned in the article. Based on the fact that Apple announced they had sold out of pre-orders at 1 million, and there is at least that many being sold in stores today, the number is probably closer to 1 million.

  51. Re:Yet another way to add to the hype , but facts by wsxyz · · Score: 1

    That 80 million annually is world wide. The iPhone 4S did not launch worldwide yesterday.

  52. worked for me by MikeMo · · Score: 1

    You probably gave the operator incorrect numbers.

    1. Re:worked for me by PowerMacG4 · · Score: 1

      Nope, this happened to both me and a friend of mine. We went in a store and they changed out the SIM because we couldn't get it to activate yesterday and once they did, it was fucked forever and Apple had to replace the phone. My friend is still having trouble getting Apple to believe him that AT&T bricked it.

  53. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still doubting this happens on all GSMs. In al the years I've been using them I never ran into an activation of the device. I've been happily swapping SIM cards and phones/devices, they always immediatly work.

    Obviously the SIM has to be enabled/activated, but all SIMs I received to date were already enabled. Either in a store or by mail (where the SIMs arrive and PIN arrive via separate paths).

    So to me it sounds like AT&T is using a whitelist of IMEIs where all others appear to use a blacklist.

  54. Re:Better Solution by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    I'm still doubting this happens on all GSMs. In al the years I've been using them I never ran into an activation of the device. I've been happily swapping SIM cards and phones/devices, they always immediatly work.

    That's because if it works correctly, it happens instantly, without you knowing it happened. Often, it's even done by the guy in the shop, who has your phone out the box and SIM in it before you can say "nooo, I like unwrapping things".

    So to me it sounds like AT&T is using a whitelist of IMEIs where all others appear to use a blacklist.

    That's a nice conspiracy you have there.

  55. Re:Yet another way to add to the hype , but facts by Relayman · · Score: 1

    Ah, yes it did unless you don't consider Hong Kong, Japan and London worldwide.

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  56. Re:Better Solution by beelsebob · · Score: 1

    Nice... a load of videos showing how it used to work... but doesn't any more with the 4S ;)

  57. Re:Better Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's a nice conspiracy you have there."

    IMEI doesn't matter in GSM, SIM is the Mechanism to Identify the customer (aka Subscriber). Why should a telco care what device anyone uses? There is no reason to block a specific IMEI other then when it is reported stolen. The fact that the IMEI in GSM is irrelevant for the network/device to function correctly, supports the idea that AT&T is whitelisting rather than blacklisting.

    So what is actually activated? It certainly isn't the phone itself. But if a telco has problem with 100k SIMs being inserted on a day there is something very wrong with the telco.

  58. 550,000 Android Devices activated a day by killsome · · Score: 1

    "We actually have a new metric to report of 550,000 Android Devices activated a day! "

    https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/dRtqKJCbpZ7

    1. Re:550,000 Android Devices activated a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are not activations as far as the telcos are concerned. The mentioned (optional) activations of android devices are people logging in to a google account for the first time on a specific phone.

  59. Re:Better Solution by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
    4th link down.

    Though if you're struggling to understand how Google search works, I'm beginning to see where your problem lies.

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