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District Attorney Critiques Gizmodo Emails In iPhone 4 Prototype Case

lee1 writes "After the police broke in to a Gizmodo editor's home and collected emails from computers found there as part of the investigation of the stolen 2010 iPhone prototype, the San Mateo District Attorney's office petitioned the court to withdraw the search warrant, because it violated a law intended to protect journalists. Nevertheless, the DA, rather than apologize for the illegal search and seizure, issued a critique of the seized emails, commenting that they were 'juvenile' and that 'It was obvious that they were angry with the company about not being invited to ... some big Apple event. ... this is like 15-year-old children talking.''"

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  1. First post! by prxp · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about that for "juvenile"!

    1. Re:First post! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about that for "juvenile"!

      Less 'juvenile' than the DA's behavior. And that's pretty sad.

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  2. lawsuit by shoehornjob · · Score: 2, Troll

    Coming any minute for the way they treated him and seizure of non related materials. Someone forgot to tell the DA that when an Apple employee leaves a prototype phone in a bar or resturant it's usually just to hype the newest Idevice.

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    1. Re:lawsuit by xavdeman · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:lawsuit by iamhassi · · Score: 2

      At the time it had been once and it was assumed to be an accident. Now that it has happened again you have to wonder...

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    3. Re:lawsuit by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2

      In that second case no prototype was ever recovered. All there was was a lot of speculation and insinuations.

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  3. A tale of two cities by manekineko2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are the chances of the government going to such lengths if an ordinary person gets robbed? The ordinary response from police is that's nice, we'll look into it if we have nothing better to do. The crimes they were alleging are not different than the crimes that would be applicable if this were to happen to an ordinary person instead of a powerful corporation.

    And then, the chutzpah of the DA's to call out the Gizmodo editors (who may or may not have deserved it) after conducting an illegal search...

    1. Re:A tale of two cities by Hazel+Bergeron · · Score: 2

      The actual item was worth a billion dollars?

      Oh, imaginary property value. Then this post is worth ten billion.

    2. Re:A tale of two cities by manekineko2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Worth a billion dollars in terms of what?

      Value of the device itself? Hardly.
      Value of the device on the open-market to others? 10k is what they were able to fetch for it from Gizmodo
      Value of the device to the victim, Apple? The police hardly take that into consideration when a starving artist has their laptop stolen containing all the work they need to make a living.

      Value of the victim in terms of its political clout? Ah, that makes sense.

      If the crime that is being alleged is the same, and the real-world value of the stolen property is the same, I don't see a reason off-hand why it's right that the police should be playing favorites.

    3. Re:A tale of two cities by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      The crimes they were alleging are not different than the crimes that would be applicable if this were to happen to an ordinary person instead of a powerful corporation

      Uh, yes they were. The potential damage caused by the phone getting out could have reached into the millions. That's the sort of thing where Motorola goes "Hold the launch of our next phone and put in a ... uh.. whatever a Retina Display is!"

      It's fun to poo poo Apple and all but before you start crying 'unfair treatment' you need to think about why anybody would pay 5k for a phone to begin with. Just the ad-views alone on a blog site were worth that.

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    4. Re:A tale of two cities by RingDev · · Score: 2

      So the starving artist who had his laptop stolen can claim that he's out billions too because it was his lifes work and it would have sold billions?

      Come on. It's a friggin tort. Proof of damages or it didn't happen.

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    5. Re:A tale of two cities by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      which is quite enough to warrant police intervention.

      There is a difference between intervention and corruption.

      An investigation is fine. Violating the rights of the Gizmodo editor in such a cavalier way with no remorse or accountability only furthers the public's disillusionment with law enforcement as being their to truly serve and protect The People. Being snarky about it afterwards only digs the hole deeper.

      It also reminds me of the Skylarov case. Law enforcement was at the beck and call of Adobe, and acted as nothing more than a private security force. Ultimately, it was determined that Skylarov did nothing wrong, yet I don't see an apology from the FBI or Adobe on that either. Keep in mind, the man was held against his will in a foreign country for nearly 6 months for doing nothing wrong.

      How about the mentally challenged work program at the FBI? That's about the only thing that can explain how an FBI agent all hopped up could seize every system in a datacenter causing extreme harm to such a large number of corporations that were innocent bystanders. Effectively, it was no different than arresting a whole neighborhood of citizens due to the behavior of one person in one house.

      The problem is not the investigations. It is the actions of the investigators.

    6. Re:A tale of two cities by EdIII · · Score: 2

      You mean the same Gizmodo that was trafficking in stolen goods? Just because he's a journalist doesn't mean he is except from the law. The search warrant was valid no matter how much the anti-Apple fanboi's may like to whine about it. The evidence was in relation to them making a deal to buy stolen goods. Not some 'freedom of speech'. Save your support for someone that earns it.

      My support is not for any particular company in this case. It is for proper behavior by law enforcement.

      If any of what you said was true, then why was the search warrant overturned? The search warrant was invalid and I am not an anti-Apple fanboi, or a fanboi of anything.

    7. Re:A tale of two cities by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally a use for bitcoin!

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    8. Re:A tale of two cities by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2

      I don't think its theft, if you call the company, and try to return it, multiple times.... (they were trying to get apple to confirm it was one of their phones)

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    9. Re:A tale of two cities by Duradin · · Score: 2

      Demanding a ransom is not trying to return it.

  4. Gizmodo juvenile? by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next you'll be telling me bears defecate in forested areas.

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  5. Re:Normal communications.. by The0retical · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Granted everyone makes those types of comments however the problem with this situation is that you have an official from an agency established to serve the tax payers deriding one of their constituents to a journalist on record.

    There is such a thing as discretion and this DA just stick his foot in his mouth because this is going to be thrown back at him. Hopefully there will be consequences when the next elections come around and constituents finally decide that they cannot have their rights further eroded.

  6. Stephen "I Know Nothing" Wagstaffe by theodp · · Score: 4, Informative

    "I don't know if Apple is on the [REACT] steering committee," Stephen Wagstaffe told Yahoo! News when asked about a link between Apple and the Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team (REACT) Task Force that entered Jason Chen's home and seized four computers and two servers as evidence in a felony investigation. Documents revealed that Apple did indeed sit on REACT's steering committee, which provided 'direction and oversight' to the law enforcement agency.

  7. Re:Broke in? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    It's a matter of perspective: If you disagreed with what the police did, it's "breaking in." If you agree, then it's serving a warrant. Also this tidbit:

    It turns out that prosecutors concluded that neither Chen nor Gizmodo did anything wrong after all. Legally, that is. Speaking to CNET.com earlier this week, San Mateo County District Attorney Steven Wagstaffe said that there was not sufficient evidence to charge anyone associated with the tech site with "possession of stolen property" or "extortion."

    There is a difference in the DA not having enough evidence to proceed further and the Gizmodo not doing anything wrong. There are many cases where the DA has to drop the case for lack of evidence.

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  8. Exactly, when did theft become so praiseworthy? by Brannon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gizmodo stopped being protected by any journalism shield the moment they actively participated in theft of private property. There also appears to be evidence of malicious motives on their part. I don't see journalism anywhere around this case.

    1. Re:Exactly, when did theft become so praiseworthy? by snowgirl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gizmodo stopped being protected by any journalism shield the moment they actively participated in theft of private property.

      Just as a note here, purchasing a stolen good is not the same as being accessory to the theft. Usually, purchasing a stolen good is only punished by forfeiture of the item (without any refund). Yes, knowingly purchasing stolen goods (which Gizmodo clearly did) can be treated more harshly but it apparently has to have a value of more than $5,000 (convenient selling price you used there Gizmodo...)

      But still, in order for the act to be accessory to the theft, the theft would have to be done at the request of the purchaser. As this was clearly a theft of opportunity, Gizmodo could have not participated in the theft, but rather only committed a separate crime. (And likely not even then, because the value wasn't high enough.)

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    2. Re:Exactly, when did theft become so praiseworthy? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Gizmodo stopped being protected by any journalism shield the moment they actively participated in theft of private property.

      Gizmodo was never journalism, it's part of the gawker network, which was created to produce ad impressions by producing misleading, often downright inaccurate content that people will argue about. Anyone posting any of their "articles" (which are just blog entries in disguise, since they contain no new information, just a little commentary on a link) to any other site is a Stupid McToolbag who should have read down to the bottom, followed the link there, and shared that.

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  9. Re:Gizwho? by jo42 · · Score: 2

    "20-something douche bags full of themselves" is a more apt description...

  10. Re:Broke in? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DA should be impeached.

    1. Perjury during application for warrant.

    2. Ethics violation for disclosing private information obtained via illegal warrant.

  11. Well that's standard for Gizmodo's editors by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2

    I've had conversations with Gizmodo, IO9 and Kotaku's editors and writers in the past, "15 year olds" is a good way to describe their "professionalism".

  12. That DA is a funny moron. by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The emails were private. They were unlawfully seized. The DA takes those private, unlawfully seized emails and compounds the wrong by commenting upon them in the media in a derogatory way.

    He has absolute immunity for being a prosecutor, but he has no immunity for making stupid-ass statements based on illegally obtained information.

    This is an easy section 1983 case, albeit for limited damages. This stupid DA just cost his municipality a few thousand dollars.

  13. Re:Meh. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2

    We're talking about a Gawker Media property. Sorry, but I'm not going to waste my brain cells being outraged about anything that happens to parts of the Gawker empire.

    Call me when a responsible citizen's rights are being trampled, and I'll duly respond with all due outrage. But for these guys....live by the sword, die by the sword.

    I agree with your opinion of them, but civil liberties are required to be non-selective, or they serve little purpose.

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  14. Re:Broke in? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    As I mentioned before, don't let the facts get in the way of your argument. I already pointed out that the "purchasing the story" question was irrelevant because the crime is receiving stolen property.

    Don't let the real world get in the way of your fantasy. In the real world, every DA cannot pursue every single case to trial. From misdemeanors to felonies, most DAs look for plea deals rather than trials. A DA has to balance whether he or she can win a particular case as whether to pursue. The DA has many facts on his side; the problem is that Gizmodo can present a defense here that might make it difficult to win a conviction.

    Intent isn't required. What needs to be proven are 3 facts: That the article was stolen, that the recipient knew it was stolen and that the recipient did receive the article. See intent in that list? See anything about buying the article? So, as I pointed out earlier, the "purchasing the story" defense is no defense.

    The problem you don't seem to understand that having facts on your side does not guarantee automatic wins in court. The defense gets to present their side as well and the prosecution has to build a case strong enough to counter any defense. They didn't believe they could do so in this particular case.

    Take for instance the recent trial of Casey Anthony. I firmly believe she did it, but I believe her acquittal was correct because the prosecution really didn't have enough evidence against her. In the best light the prosecution could prove that Casey moved the body of her dead child in her car; they did not prove she murdered her child or that her child was murdered at all. I don't believe her defense that the girl died in pool accident but it is the job of the prosecution to prove murder occurred which they did not. All they had was the suspicious behavior of Casey and her history of pathological lying.

    The DA in Florida pursued the case despite the lack of evidence. The DA could have waited as there is no statute of limitations generally on murder. The problem is the publicity of the case and the public's call for justice made not proceeding harder than proceeding. In this case, the DA looking at Gizmodo's potential defenses (and the fact they could qualify as journalists) and Gawker Media could hire a good defense team made it a hard win. Unfortunately in legal matters having money greatly helps your side. The DA didn't feel like gambling in this case.

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