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Canadian Company Plans Solar-Powered Heavier-Than-Air Airships
savuporo writes "By crossing airships with airplanes, Solar Ship is planning to build a craft that can carry heavy loads long distances with a tiny carbon footprint. Filled with helium, they soak up rays from the sun to provide the energy for forward motion and fulfill its original design challenge – carry 1,000 kilograms (2,205 lbs) of payload 1,000 kilometers (621.4 miles). The craft is heavier than air, and uses a combination of helium filling its interior and its lifting body delta wing shape to stay airborne. Solar Ship shows plans for a range of different size craft for different duties."
Aren't we losing Helium at a rapid rate? How much energy will be required to manufacture more Helium? (If that's even possible)
It doesn't use up the helium though .. once it's filled it's full.
Second.. from Wikipedia "In 1996, the U.S. had proven helium reserves, in such gas well complexes, of about 147 billion standard cubic feet (4.2 billion SCM).[80] At rates of use at that time (72 million SCM per year in the U.S.; see pie chart below) this is enough helium for about 58 years of U.S. use, and less than this (perhaps 80% of the time) at world use rates, although factors in saving and processing impact effective reserve numbers. It is estimated that the resource base for yet-unproven helium in natural gas in the U.S. is 31–53 trillion SCM, about 1000 times the proven reserves."
Even if they are wrong by a factor of ten that still gives us a few centuries of helium left .. by which time hopefully we'd be either creating helium via nuclear fusion power plants or able to bring back abundant quantities from Jupiter.
They could fill it with hydrogen.
Oh the humanity...
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It doesn't use up the helium though .. once it's filled it's full.
Yeah, I kept those party balloons I got at my 15th birthday, I reuse them every year and they're doing great...
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Shoot. Prior art from the 1600s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_airship
Depends on whether or not you want to put humans in it. Considering airships are pretty slow and humans are pretty impatient, this would probably be used more for cargo.
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Short answer: no.
Longer answer:
It's very difficult to achieve a vacuum in the first place. If there is even the slightest leak the air will be rushing in with the force of a one atmosphere pressure difference. With a lighter than air gas the pressure difference is quite low and any leak can be handled with a periodic "topping off" to keep out the air. Even if we had the technology to produce a "vacuum ship" it would not likely be cost effective since the lift gained by a pure vacuum is very small compared to that of helium or hydrogen gas.
An envelope that held a vacuum for lift would be under considerable forces. There is the force of holding back the outside air. There is the force of the gondola which carries the cargo. There would be wind, birds, stupid rednecks shooting at it, among other things that would try to punch holes in it or rip it up. It's just not practical.
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there's a 30 ton model...should be enough for the truck replacement problem.
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I believe that some helium /does/, in fact, escape the Earth, because it's so light that it can break free of the gravitational field. (At least, I believe that that's the principle in play.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_escape
I would love to know this. My physics isn't great, but I did a quick Google.
It looks like the consensus is that it is not possible, those materials do not exist.
The other thing is that is would not make much difference than using helium:
Density of air is 1.2 kg/m3.
The density of helium is 0.166 kg/m3.
If we had a balloon filled with air, and replaced it with helium, the density reduces to 14%. This means that that much helium could support 86% of the weight of the air. A vacuum's density is 0, so it was possible it would support the weight of 100% of the air it 'displaced'. So a perfect vacuum is only 16% better at lifting (in air) than helium is.
Wikipedia says that if all of the world's air distillation plants were retooled to capture helium, they would supply about 1% of global demand. Helium is going to get a lot more expensive.
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Actually, no. Helium is light enough that it escapes the atmosphere entirely when not contained. It's gone forever. There's still quite a bit left - you find it in natural gas in the southern US, and other places, and we still have trillions of cubic meters of helium-bearing (to some extent) natural gas. But when it's gone, it really is gone. That will be something of a catastrophe, since helium has all sorts of industrial uses (like welding) for which we will not find an easy substitute.
Airships we can fill with hydrogen, at least the unmanned ones.
You can make hydrocarbon fuels if you have energy. In theory we could build a whole bunch of nuclear power plants and manufacture fuel from the air, essentially reversing the process of burning it.
Iran recentyl claimed to have discovered massive helium reserves:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iran+helium+reserve&site=universal&tbs=cdr%3A1&cd_min=9%2F1%2F2011&cd_max=
Allegedly the estimate is 10 billion cubic meters. That was in September, but there's still no mention in major Western media.
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As long as we're in fantasy land, why not get it from the Sun ? It's a lot closer.
I thought it escaped into space? Have I been misled? Where does it go?
On top of that, a vessel holding (?) a vacuum has to hold back considerable pressure. That's not going to be light. Would make a neat physics demo though, two bottles, one with the air sucked out on a scale.
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If the aircraft needs no fuel to stay aloft what is placing the limit on the range? At some point it would have to come down of course but why couldn't it stay up for 10,000 km instead of just 1000 km?
Lifting body aircraft with lighter than air gas to assist in lift has been tried before unsuccessfully. This is different in using solar power to drive the engines. With the low density in solar power I find it difficult to believe solar power is enough to keep the aircraft aloft. Perhaps that is where the range limitation comes in, there is only enough battery power + solar power to stay airborne for 1000 km.
Given the current technology in batteries and photovoltaic panels I'm tending to believe that a coal burning steam engine makes about as much sense in aircraft. I'll have to do the math but the power to weight ratios might just be comparable. I'll guess the coal burning would not go over very well with the global warming crowd. Perhaps a steam engine that burns wood, hemp, switchgrass, sugar beets, or some other biomass would be more acceptable and still keep the power to weight ratio within the same ball park as an electric battery pack.
I'm pleased to see technology like this getting some attention. I think that airships will make a comeback as energy prices rise and material science improves. I'm just a bit of a skeptic when it comes to solar power.
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In fact helium, once lost to the atmosphere, is irrecoverable in any useful quantity. The only way we can get more is to filter it out of natural gas trapped underground. Helium could therefore be considered a petroleum byproduct.
I guess space is not a total vacuum then as well!
Wow, even worse than I thought. Article mentions that gas giants' higher gravity holds on to helium and hydrogen though. Maybe if the price of helium gets high enough a gas mining expedition will be in order.
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If it is heavier than air, it aint floatin no-where.
The ship is heavier than air, helium isn't. And because of it's small size, helium can escape through the tiniest leaks. Most likely, the airship will require regular helium refills. Once helium is in the atmosphere, it's too hard to purify, and it will also leak into space.
The short answer is no. At one atmosphere of pressure, any structure would either be too heavy or be easily crushed.
An interesting question to the geek community... maybe crunch some numbers... Is a vacuum sphere that only operates at extremely high altitudes and low pressures feasible?
caracal for the small version? a "mothership" for the vastly larger version? someones been playing EVE online.
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Depending on how the buoyancy compares to loaded weight, deadheading might be impossible. You'll have to carry huge concrete blocks on the return trip just to keep from launching yourself into space. This could lead to very low one way costs for cargo transport between certain locations.
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But since it is a lot hotter in that direction, all those missions to the sun would have to be done at night.
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The interesting thing is that, if they are mylar (or 'foil') balloons, you could do just that. It is the latex, and most plastics like polythene, that leak helium.
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Hmmm... There's less buoyancy in thinner air so you need to displace more of it meaning a bigger "vacuum sphere"... I don't know the numbers but my intuition tells me this won't work.
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Actually we can make a pretty much infinite supply of oil and therefore gas. The problem is that making gas from alternative oil sources is not as efficient or economical especially with cars in use today.
Well, at least he used significant digits.
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Mylar party balloons will typically only hold enough helium long enough to float for a couple of days.
http://www.johnmcphee.com/deltoid.htm
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Interesting thing for them to try. Kinda similar to the airships in Soft Targets by Dean Ing.
Um, last I heard, didn't George Bush decide to sell of the bulk of the US helium stockpile, at below market rates?
Helium is a very fiddley gas. Not only are it's atoms tiny, tiny things, but they don't even form molecules like hydrogen has the decency to. They'll easily seep out through even the most apparently impervious materials - that's why party balloons deflate. The only way to contain it is a thick-skinned container, which would be very heavy.
Helium is the least reactive noble gas, and much lighter than air. Common sense says that it will rapidly leave our atmosphere. I dont remember the exact details (I had this brought up in a class once), but it was some combination of the ascending helium reaching escape velocity and solar wind peeling off anything that might try to settle in a super high orbit. The impending heium shortage is a well known problem, and a significant part of the reason I get an overwhelming urge to punch clowns in the face every time I see them handing out balloons.
And frankly, almost every alternative energy solution has serious if not fundamental flaws. If they didn't, we would already have been using them. Seriously, this "you're all just pessimists who work for oil companies and kick puppies" crap is getting old. Going off half cocked with some doe-eyed fantasy of a technotopian future filled with helium blimps and solar farms the size of small nations isn't going to fix anything. It took a hundred years and a lot of ignorance to get stuck in this energy policy quagmire, and logic dictates it will take twice that amount of time to get back out. You dont extract yourself from quicksand by thrashing about in a panic.
It would be roughly equivalent to a submarine at 10m, right? That said, building the pressure hull of a submarine isn't cheap. Of course, a sub can take 10 or more atms, not just 1.
Its closer to 1 proton per cubic meter (one per 27cubic feet approx ). Close to planets its higher of course, but still pretty low.
The Grey Goo disaster happened 3 billion years ago. This rock is covered in self replicating machines!
How about something like aerogel, only trapping vacuum rather than air? It's be prohibatively difficult to manufacture, if it can be manufactured at all, but could it be done in theory? Need a specialist in materials engineering to determine that.
Depends on the space. Space in a solar system would have slightly more particles than space between solar systems. The emptiest space of all would be in between galactic clusters, the closest thing to a perfect vaccuum to be found in nature.
A flying submarine? ;) You know they are design to withstand several atmospheres of pressure.
Wikipedia says that if all of the world's air distillation plants were retooled to capture helium, they would supply about 1% of global demand. Helium is going to get a lot more expensive.
Who gives a shit. If you really think it will be expensive just buy out all the supplies now and reap instant profits. What? No one is doing it? Wonder why ...
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I don't think this is a significant effect on Earth, there might be more helium coming in from solar wind than escaping.
Because people think quarters, not decades.
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Because people think quarters, not decades.
Chinese think long term. They dont stock on Helium.
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Note that this is a Canadian company.
There are lots of places in Canada that have no roads or very poor quality roads. The same can be said of a number of other places around the world.
If you are moving a thousand trucks a day it is probably worth it to build a thousand miles of road to accommodate them. If you are moving the equivalent of one truck every three days to a camp that changes location every three years, it is probably NOT worth it, and a cargo airship may well be the most cost-efficient choice.
http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/
The US military is buying half a billion dollars worth of kit from them... Or rather through Northrop Grumman.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/video-northrop-grumman-wins-race-to-revive-hybrid-airships-with-517-million-order-343259/
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More importantly, water has a much higher density than air (10 meters of water give the same pressure as the whole atmosphere!) and therefore gives a much larger lift. Which means much heavier constructions still get sufficient lift to swim.
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Just clone Al Gore.
There's your inexhaustible supply of hot air right there.
You can't trap vacuum because vacuum is not a substance but rather the absence of substance.
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And frankly, almost every alternative energy solution has serious if not fundamental flaws. If they didn't, we would already have been using them.
Really? So when the Wright brothers got their rickety and ridiculous bundle of sticks airborne, you'd have scoffed at the notion of intercontinental jets routinely ferrying hundreds of people, would you? Because, if it was going to work, it would already exist, right?
Look up Desertec for your further edification.
You can still trap it. You just need to use a container to keep gas *out* rather than in.
Yeah the helium crisis. Just like the oil crisis and energy crisis. bullshit, all of it.
As a robotics person, I really, REALLY, want to see autonomous variants of these. I imagine it already has some kind of GPS onboard that would be the primary means of navigation. The rest is basically a much easier version of all of the design challenges of Google's self-driving cars. You see the runway to take off/land the same way the cars see lanes on the road. You can interface with existing air traffic control infrastructure instead of dealing with the chaos of public roads.
There's absolutely no reason we shouldn't have these flying themselves all over the place carrying cargo that's normally (in the US/Canada at least) shipped via truck or rail. If the speed estimates people have come up with here based on the range are any good, shipping time would be reasonably competitive given that aircraft don't have to deal with road traffic, weigh stations, etc.
OK, I'll do the engineering then.
10L of air (the inside of a SCUBA tank) weights 12g. A SCUBA tank can hold 400 atm, and weighs about 15kg (note, this is generous). Everything involving pressure tanks scales linearly, so you could have a 10L tank holding 1 atm and weighing 37 grams, displacing 12 grams of air, for a net of -25 grams of lift.
So you need materials about 3 times the strength/weight of good SCUBA gear, preferably 6 times (so you can actually get a noticeable amount of lift). That's assuming there's no challenges in manufacturing much thinner but much lighter tanks. Oh, and that buckling won't be an issue (since we've moved from tension to compression) - that can be solved my making really small tanks, but then you are trying to make the walls very very thin.
You're right - it wouldn't be easy.
And most submarines are too heavy to float in the air.
Would it possible to build something like this held up by the buoyancy of hot air rather than helium?
With the right kind of insulating materials in the envelope, heat loss could be controlled. There might also be a way of using solar power to heat the air.
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Desertec is a really cool concept, now possible thanks the the arab spring.
You mean they aren't telling you.
don't need thick just dense. just line the helium tank with a lead or gold foil.
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Aerogel has a density of about 30g/l, whereas air has one near 1g/l. Aerogel is far too heavy.
Thing is, oil will very soon be prohibitively expensive (we're talking a few decades, tops) and even coal will start to become scarce within a relatively short time span of only a few hundred years. Short I say? Yes. The earth's been around for some 4 billion years and we've been using up its stored resources in a miniscule amount of time.
And when that time comes, well, we'd damn well better have the techontopian future you're talking about or the problem is going to solve itself, likely in a very unpleasant way (starvation, war etc). We don't have a choice - no matter how inferior the renewable energy sources seem compared to fossil fuels, they're our only hope in the long run. The faster we can make the transition, the better.
As long as we're in fantasy land, why not get it from the Sun ? It's a lot closer.
I was going to say because of the gravity well - it is much harder to lift things from the Sun's deeper well.
But then I remembered we were talking about helium, so you can just float it up. Getting it down to ground level from earth orbit is the hard part.
Which is fine apart from the microscopic cracks that form from the stresses of wind force, acceleration, thermal expansion and changes in atmospheric pressure. To helium, a microscopic crack might as well be an open door. Maybe if you laminated plastic and lead... but that would be a material like mylar, which is already used in party balloons and doesn't hold helium for more than a few days at that scale. It's possible such an approach would work, but it would require the development of a completly new containment composite material.
His patent application was eventually denied on the basis that it was "wholly theoretical, everything being based upon calculation and nothing upon trial or demonstration."
If only the patent office still thought this way, maybe we could do something about the patent trolls (at least the ones who generate their own patents, the ones who buy others patents already granted wouldn't be affected).
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"It's very difficult to achieve a vacuum in the first place"
Maybe that Dyson guy can have a go at it, he seems pretty good at designing vacuums
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It doesn't leak out through the mylar though, it leaks out through the cheap-ass seams and the badly tied knot at the bottom.
If you get a good one they can float for months (I had one that did...)
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I thought this, too. Surely we're at the point (technology-wise) where hydrogen is viable for airships.
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Cargo is what they're proposing, yes, and given the number of containers that fall off ships every year I suspect the risks of using hydrogen would be *less* than sending it by sea.
Building airships sounds a lot cheaper than building container ships, too. Those things are expensive.
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Oh the humanity...
The Hindenburg "disaster" to which you allude only killed 36% of the aircraft's occupants. To me, that seems a pretty good survival rate, given that a 747 hitting any obstacle very rarely results in a mortality rate of less than 100%.
Um, no. None of those things are bullshit.
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But the same problems would face the designers of a large airship. The helium may not leak through the skin itself, but it will be challenging to keep all the seams tight enough to prevent leakage. Also, after a while, microscopic cracks could develop due to flexing and bending in the wind.
Right after I posted that I remembered about things called 'parachutes'. Surely a modern passenger airship could be fitted with a parachute system which triggers if fire is detected so you float gently to the ground.
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Isn't there a helium shortage?
Ok all of this is pointless because nothing is perfect and eventually the helium will leak out and at our current rate of consumption we are going to run out of helium within our life-times so...........bad idea, not going to work, move on.
Why ? Even if the helium is going to run out, we could still waste it for a few more decades.
...although one already explored by SF authors such as Norman Spinrad in Songs from the Stars. 1000 kg weighs 2200 pounds and is basically the load of a pickup truck. By far the easiest way and cheapest way to get a load 1000 km is to build a solar powered electric railroad, especially if you don't care how fast it gets there at first. Of course, with solar collectors on the ground, there is basically no practical limit to the power you can deliver per kilogram and consequently one can get the load to destination at very high speeds with a new design.
The difficulties with a solar powered helium dirigible are manifold and have already been pointed out -- finite supply of helium, helium needed for kids' balloons and (eventually, perhaps) as thermonuclear fuel (at which time we'll kick ourselves for wasting it for decades in kids' balloons), absolutely impossible to keep sun-warmed helium inside any sort of bag. Weather and wind make the transportation dangerous or impossible (given the wimpy peak power likely to be available to move the bag -- probably inadequate to overcome even a very modest headwind). The danger of 1000 kg loads being dropped on people's heads if weather conditions exceed the limited capacity of robot brains to solve weather problems and the lifter breaks up, pops, catastrophically fails.
It isn't quite inconceivable that one could build a solar-solar system -- a solar balloon for lift, solar power for "thrust" -- although again I think that the force of wind pressure instantly will exceed the peak thrust of any onboard solar system on even a very sunny, nearly still day. To lift a metric ton you'll need a rather large balloon, so very small overpressure on the upwind side will exert a huge force downwind. And you'll still have the problems with weather, with the fact that the sun doesn't shine at night and you can't carry batteries or the whole design becomes laughably impossible, not marginally feasible (either one, Helium or hot air).
But rail? Piece of cake. Hell, you could probably deliver a steady stream of pickup truck sized loads driven by solar collectors along the roadway -- 70-100 watts per square meter of collector, plenty of room for 1000 watts per meter of actual track along the 1000 km route. In fact, the track (with a mere 12 meter wide roadway, 2 meters of which is track and vehicle) will generate anywhere from 100s of megawatts to a gigawatt of power on any reasonably sunny day. Assuming 10 kW per metric ton to move payload at 100 km/hour or better, one can move anywhere from a minimum of 10,000 metric tons up to a maximum of 100,000 metric tons per 10 hours of useable daylight day, for the amortized capital cost of the solar powered roadway. (Don't whack the math too much, these are all estimates and YMMV). The cost of the solar electrification is currently a bit over $1/watt, installation and collection will double that. Call it a $5 billion project (the cost of a couple of weeks in Iraq), build it on an existing rail corridor between (say) Detroit and Chicago square in the heart of the industrial heartland. If one charges $10/ton for transport (pretty cheap, one would think) it grosses close to $1 million/day running the rail at capacity, $300 million a year, payback of the initial investment in 15-20 years.
As is so frequently the case in solar projects, this is maddeningly close but not quite a cigar. For a billion dollar investment it would be a no brainer -- payback in 3 years (more likely 5 with operating costs), pure profit thereafter. For 2 or 3 billion dollars it is attractive -- an effective yield of maybe 5-10% on investment in the long run. For 5 it is right down there at 1-3% yield, implying a fairly long period to wait for a not-too-large ROI, plenty of risk. Drop the cost of solar cells by one more factor of two and it will happen all by itself. Drop it by a factor of four or more, which is entirely plausible given sufficient volume in the market (and this project alone would consume
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I've just gotten a image of this huge airship on fire with an even bigger parachute dragging it upwards under the updraft from the fire.
hmm, you could put some radioactive waste in the center of a huge balloon. As the air in the balloon heated up you would let air out of the balloon until the pressure stabilized and lift was achieved.
WTF is an air distillation plant?
Normally you distill liquids, so to distill 'air' would be a cryogenic operation,.very expensive in money and energy.
Like we have some kind of spacecraft that can make it to the sun and back in one night? No, we'll have to wait for the winter solstice and go from the North Pole. That'll give us plenty of time for the round trip.
I hope you're joking. Of course helium doesn't 'float' -resist gravity- but it does rise (get pushed) to a point of lower density when mixed into an atmosphere. Like bubbles in water...
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Unworkable, then. Oh, well, it was an interesting idea. Maybe it'd be of some use in even further improving the already-impressive thermal insulation property, but it's not going to lead to any lighter-than-air solids.
I was thinking of the initial free-fall before the parachute opens. It'd be bit like the dropship scene in Aliens.
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Sorry but your comments show a fair amount of ignorance of the country where this aircraft would operate, and the reasons why it is even being thought of. It's too bad that you spent so much time looking up numbers like ROI that simply don't apply here.
To build a solar-powered railway as you put it, that would reach the places in Canada that such an aircraft of this type would reach, would cost many billions of dollars more than the development of this aircraft would. Even worse, you cannot actually build a railway to these destinations. Think about huge diamond mines in the middle of the tundra. Or remote arctic communities. If we could have roads and railways to these places, don't you think they would already exist? We're talking thousands and thousands of miles of tundra and wilderness that would have to be crossed. Have you watched ice road truckers? You can't build a road on tundra. Nor could you lay track. Right now the only way in or out of these places to which this aircraft would go is by aircraft in the summer, and if it's possible to reach in the winter, by snow mobile, dogsled, or crazy ice road trucks.
This airship concept has been under study for quite a number of years. It may not turn out to be feasible. But if it is, it will be a boon to Canadian citizens living in these remote places, and to the many companies who mine natural resources in the far north.
You've effectively described NASAs new LEO lifting system. It's genius.
Helium will only get much more expensive in near centuries if methods of discovering and mining it don't get cheaper (which they have a tendency to do).
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Maybe if we contained the helium from the nighttime sun in some sort of container, like a huge plastic bag, and used an abundant substance like sand as a weight, we could just drag it down to the surface of the Earth.
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IIRC, hydrogen is more buoyant than helium.
Hydrogen is half as dense as helium. Trouble is, the number that counts is the difference in density between the lifting gas and the surrounding gas. Run the numbers, and you'll find a hydrogen-filled balloon will lift about 5% more than a helium-filled one.
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Russians did a bit of R&D on Ground Effect Vehicles. They seem like a good compromise, albeit they would need docs or large plane roads to reach seas. They would be fast, close to surface and provide better fuel savings due to lower drag. I would really like to see some R&D go into them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle
As long as they don't paint it with rocket fuel, it'll be fine.
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I'm sure it could be done, but it wouldn't be trivial. For cabins of a reasonable size, I'm thinking something like a 737, a single parachute would probably not be feasible for size reasons (I'm just guessing here though), and with multiple parachutes it would have to get more complicated. In the end it would be risk versus reward. Cost of development would be very high assuming you actually wanted to test it, and it wouldn't instill confidence in people to know that hey we felt an accident was so probably that we spent all this money on parachutes.
The problem right now is that demand is outstripping supply by a long shot. The US government started hoarding helium in 1925 in anticipation of building airships. Helium is a byproduct of natural gas mining, which would be done regardless of helium demand. The US intends to sell off all the helium it collected from 1925 to 1996 by 2015.
Interesting to note is that since helium is found in natural gas deposits, natural gas is mostly mined in the United States and the US stopped exporting helium, helium became very expensive everywhere else, so the designers of the Hindenburg were forced to use hydrogen.
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Actually the helium shortage is strictly a manufactured shortage, created by the US Government when they (principally the Navy) decided blimps were not its platform of choice. The Government decided to dump its huge reserve of helium at submarket prices, and as such nobody bothers to extract helium from all the natural sources where is has historically been obtained.
Government passed a law shutting down the helium reserve. The law stipulates that the US National Helium Reserve, which is kept in a disused underground gas field near Amarillo, Texas – by far the biggest store of helium in the world – must all be sold off by 2015, irrespective of the market price.
There could still be as much helium produced today as ever, were it not for cheap government surplus sales, as it is, nobody bothers to extract it.
See article here:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-the-world-is-running-out-of-helium-2059357.html
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Um, no. None of those things are bullshit.
Are you sure?
The helium crisis is largely caused by a cost cutting move by congress, not an actual shortage.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-the-world-is-running-out-of-helium-2059357.html
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I forgot about the polar angle. And since the northern and southern hemispheres have their winters at opposite times of the year, then we should be covered for even more time.
I have a friend who can work out the details, but I don't know when she will be available. Last I heard she was stuck at the mall. There's a big power outage going on there today, and she is stranded on the escalator.
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Helium is very difficult to confine even in industrial conditions.
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It was the "Helium Privatization Act of 1996", which would have been passed by the Republican congress at the time and signed by Clinton:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve
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So what's lighter than helium and hydrogen? Vacuum! We need more advancements in vacuum balloon technology.
Interesting, I had always heard there was a 20% difference. Wikipedia has calculations showing 8% (sea level at 0C) which is much closer to your number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Hydrogen_versus_helium
That calculation there looks altitude invariant; perhaps the difference that leads to your 5% is due to non-ideal gas behavior of air at altitude or something like that? I'm curious.
Also I wonder if the 20% was for a given size of balloon where they factored in the extra envelope size, additional support, and everything else that snowballs from starting at an 8% penalty.
Thank you for the reminder, and the link. I'll try to do better.
but this kinda strikes me as a cross between an airplane an a barge. Another way of saying it would be it's like an airborne railroad
Both aren't as fast an an airplane, but both can carry many times as much weight and can travel a predictable distance very affordably on an item-by-item cost basis..
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Hip hip hurray for alpha decay!
All the helium that was present at the start of the Earth, which was never very much, has long since escaped our atmosphere. The helium that exists on Earth today comes almost entirely from radioactive decay of heavy elements: alpha particles are helium nuclei, and electrons to balance the charge can be had from the parent nucleus. Helium tends to not stick around very long, so it is lost at about the rate that is generated. It is too rare in the atmosphere to economically extract: nearly all that we use is extracted from oil and gas wells.
So you are replacing the limited non-renewable resource of oil, with the limited non-renewable resource of helium?
Though it would slow the consumption of oil, so it might be marginally useful.
I guess for me, is the benefit really worth the effort. You are offsetting the crappy efficiency of solar power, using the buoyancy of a limited non-renewable resource of helium, so you can burn less limited non-renewable oil basically.
This might serve as a limited stop gap measure for awhile once oil prices have skyrocketed, but I don't see much demand before that.
You could design it with "lifeboats" that are parachute and airbag equipped. Then you only have to worry about supporting the weight of the passangers. Since they'd just drop out of the bottom, you wouldn't need as much time to launch them as a ship does.
At least in the U.S., we have a LOT of empty space, yeah, the size of small nations. Using some of it for solar farms would be good.
(Unfortunately, in some cases, e.g. OFFSHORE wind farms, which uses otherwise "unused" areas, even supposed environmentalists file lawsuits against them.)