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1 MW Cold Fusion Plant Supposedly To Come Online
First time accepted submitter Jherico writes "Andrea Rossi (covered here a few times before) is scheduled to bring his 1MW plant online Oct. 28th. This will likely either be the point where 'unexpected technical difficulties' unmask this for the scam it is, or the presence of an actual 1MW plant with no chemical fuel source will silence a lot of skeptics. What would you do if it were real?"
Oblig xkcd:
http://xkcd.com/955/
The discussion for events happening today has been moved onto its own thread:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/e-day-thread-rossis-1-mw-e-cat-plant-tested-by-first-customer/
PES Network is going to be tweeting about it:
https://twitter.com/#!/PESNetwork
Prepare for some real-time cognative dissonance from Rossi et al.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
take short positions in oil and gas?
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This will not work. There's absolutely no reason not to publish such stuff in respected journals -- if it really works, it will pass the muster. The guy is a scam artist with a long history, it's irresponsible to expect anything else from him without a lot of due diligence. Since he doesn't let anyone do their due diligence, I say it's still a scam.
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Entertaining scams about pseudoscience are still "news for nerds", IMO. I realised more about the importance of being a good scientist from watching bad ones than anything else.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Sometimes it's desirable to put these scams under a spotlight, don't you think?
/me strokes evil white pussy.
And it's not quite true that 'he would have published if it was real'.
If you have sufficiently ridiculous claims, journals may not accept your paper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Shechtman - as one example of work ridiculed at the time that went on to win a Nobel prize.
Unfortunately, for example, there are also people that write letters like this: http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/smithsonian.asp
If it is true, I would send the guy my heartfelt thanks, and not buy the expensive heatpump for this winter.
There are a lot of people with money who either have too much ego to defer to expertise, or too little intelligence to even think of doing so.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
You know who did those things? Scientists.
You know who didn't do those things? Shamans mixing pastes in sheds according to arcane rules.
Rossi's work falls into the latter category.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
You mean your flying electric car currently has a power cable?
No wonder the range is limited.
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I think "has managed to make it work" is the aspect that people have the most objection to. There is no evidence that this is the case.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
Why use a flying car? I would just catch a pig and use it a flying mount.
"Sometimes it's desirable to put these scams under a spotlight, don't you think?"
Yes, it worked wonders a couple of weeks ago, for the moron who claimed he had discovered quasi-crystals, when everybody knows no such thing exists.
"But the prize is so great that I can't help but hope a little."
And that is how a truly great scam works. "They more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie," as it says in Mein Kampf. And likewise how religion benefits from Pascal's Wager.
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
That's a load of nonsense. If there's anything to the claims, and if the writer isn't completely incompetent explaining them, there's no reason a paper shouldn't pass peer review. Peer review isn't some kind of insurmountable obstacle to getting radical ideas published. It's more challenging than if something is more conventional (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence), but, sheesh, we just had research published that makes the audacious claim that neutrinos might be traveling faster than the speed of light, and I've seen some pretty bold and silly things appear in peer reviewed journals (it's not *that* harsh a filter).
When someone making a bold claim can't get their work published in a peer reviewed journal, it tells me that either their claim is bogus or they don't know how to put a series of decent sentences together into a logical explanation of what they have done.
I'd love it if these claims were valid. But the fact that a paper couldn't get past peer review is a very bad sign and always will be.
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That being said, this one is obviously a scam. Why do I say so? Dig back through the previous stories and you will see a picture of a shipping container full of little black plastic buckets in racks, which is supposed to be a 1MW reactor. Excuse me? You but 1MW of thermal energy in a confined space like that and it will heat up so much that all the liquid would evaporate and the steam would kill anyone attempting to maintain it. The reaction produces heat energy, and plastic buckets aren't going to last very long. These CF reactions have been known to scorch the tables that the apparatus were sitting on. A plastic container is just plain stupid and this photo only demonstrates a man with a limited intelligence at work. Also, where is the generator? The reaction does not create electricity, it produces thermal heat. You need a generator my friend, and preferably a brain containing half a conscience would not hurt either..
They laughed at Galileo.
They laughed at Einstein.
They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
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Any nerd claiming to wear a tinfoil head is either a wannabe or part of the tinfoil conspiracy!
It is so obvious that tinfoil hats might cover you from alleged hostile brain control waves from sattelites thousands of kilometeres awas, but otoh forms a nearly parabolic antenna to the whole communication wires and infrastructure below pedestrian lanes just a couple of meters away. And coincidentally only relevant people will be affected, since only they are likely to wear - wait a minute, there is someone knocking at my door, I will write more. later.
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How the hell did he convince anyone to fund a cold fusion reactor anyways? ...(and get some more funding)
He convinced himself. Its entirely self-funded. He ONLY makes money if his 1MW reactor works. Period. If he needs more funding, its coming out of his own pocket. If he's to make any money off this, he must get the 1MW reactor online. Otherwise, he's out of pocket the entire cost of the project. In fact, it was previously publicized that he's turned down funding from others to the public dismay of those would wanted to invest.
Your post is extremely uninformed and ignorant. That's not to say I've bought into his effort but I am wishing.
No, they'd clearly be stuff that dematters.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Really, this is going to happen in Bologna... Isn't that a bit ironic?
If you want to know what's really going to happen, it's pretty simple. First tomorrow their will be a lot of heat but not near 1 MW. However, real Scientists will take a look at the device and figure out how it works sometime before Thanks Giving. One these scientists will get a little over ambitious and build large a more efficient device. It will fire up on December 12, 2012. However, the cold fusion will produce a lot more heat and huge magnetic field that will fuse the moisture(Hydrogen) and co2 (carbon) in the air this will spread out in about 2.5 seconds across the globe. The reaction will be so intensive that earth will covert into a star for around 10 minutes. The spiral of the star earths magnetic field which is such that it causes sub-atomic particles to vibrate in the electromagnetic plan (or dimension if you prefer). When this happens atoms exposed to this field will fuse because of a loss of magnetic repulsion causing the atoms to collide and fuse. This BTW is how cold fuse works because when the hydrogen is exposed to the electromagnetic forces it's proton vibrates on in the electromagnetic plan. But what people won't know is that when it fuses it create a never before seen spiral magnetic field that cause other atoms to be vibrate in the same dimensional plane. The Sun will follow suit burning a large amount of it's own fuel in about 16 minutes. The other plants will also follow suit. This will create a HUGE magnetic spiral that might chain react across the universe transforming it. Over trillions of years the subatomic particles no longer repelled by electromagnetism will continue to fuse and grow ever large masses this will lead to the next big bang. Anyway, that's what the Mayans were saying would happen.
I'd keep getting up in the morning, going to work, and paying my electric and heat bill. Perhaps when I'm an old man, my energy bills will be lower or about the same as they are now (instead of rising with inflation).
Yeah, 'Cold Fusion' and LENR are largely synonymous, but the former term has been tainted by bad press over the last 20 years. In point of fact my submission used the term LENR in place of Cold Fusion, but apparently the editors felt it wasn't mass market enough. And to be fair, there have been some quotes by Rossi saying it's not actually fusion, but some sort of weak field interaction, but since it supposedly consumes nickel and produces coppoer, not calling it fusion seems more like marketing.
Jherico
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"you would cause a vacuum metastability event, which would destroy the observable universe."
so do it with your eyes closed. the worst that will happen is that your eyelids will vaporize.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Great points and you might like this: http://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/dr-george-miley-replicates-patterson-names-rossi/
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/some-of-rossi%E2%80%99s-cold-fusion-results-reportedly-replicated
By me on why the results should be freely released, btw: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Economic_Transformation
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
https://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/msg/93edc128d5cd0054
Essentially, whenever a system does not seem to obey the second law of thermodynamics, we just invent new science.
And here is another essay by me sent to Andrea Rossi on why cold fusion information be made freely available because of a paradigm shift in economics from scarcity towards abundance: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Economic_Transformation
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
Water covers most of the planet. Desalinization is mostly a problem of not enough energy. Food production also gets a lot easier if artificial lighting makes economic sense - you could literally build a skyscraper and grow food on every floor. Similar to what marijuana growers do when they bypass the electric meters.
currently has a power cable
I have the same problem with my Evangelion.
"Lame" - Galaxar
If this technology works, why bother with a 1 megawatt plant? Why wouldn't you build the equivalent of Bloom boxes and sell them to homeowners? Get rid of the grid entirely.