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Career Advice: Don't Call Yourself a Programmer

Ian Lamont writes "Patrick McKenzie has written about the do's and don't's of working as a software engineer, and some solid (and often amusing) advice on how to get ahead. One of the first pieces of advice: 'Don't call yourself a programmer: "Programmer" sounds like "anomalously high-cost peon who types some mumbo-jumbo into some other mumbo-jumbo." If you call yourself a programmer, someone is already working on a way to get you fired.' Although he runs his own company, he is a cold realist about the possibilities for new college grads in the startup world: 'The high-percentage outcome is you work really hard for the next couple of years, fail ingloriously, and then be jobless and looking to get into another startup.'"

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  1. Depends on why I'm referring to my profession by Mean+Variance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In casual conversation among people who wouldn't know the nuances of the various "programmer"-like terms, I do say, "I'm a programmer." It gets the point across simply that most people understand.

    If I'm in a semi-professional setting of white collar adults, I usually say "software developer."

    On a resume or among those who know the industry standard, I say "I'm a software engineer" because that's my title.

    If it's tied to a conversation that might have career potential, I give the true classification at work: senior software engineer.

  2. Re:Such sage advice... by snowgirl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because, you know, the 1000+ currently open job postings for keyword "programmer" on Monster.com are just a perfect example of situations where people are already looking to fire you. After all, that's why they created the posting, just so they could waste company resources and fire someone. /sarcasm

    Sarcasm and all, this is the rantings of a single person at a single company, about his own personal view of the topic. I could probably find someone who would tell you that using the Oxford comma is likely to get you fired, and due to some forms of projection (the assumption that you are "typical", and you model everyone in the world based on yourself) they will assume that it's the prevalent opinion.

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  3. Everybody is an engineer? by babblesaurus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . . and 'real' engineers everywhere weep. Obviously every case may be unique, but calling yourself one thing which has a set of implications does sort of slander professionals in the field whose titles you are trying to snag.

    1. Re:Everybody is an engineer? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      . . . and 'real' engineers everywhere weep. Obviously every case may be unique, but calling yourself one thing which has a set of implications does sort of slander professionals in the field whose titles you are trying to snag.

      I agree 100%! As we all know, real engineers drive trains.

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  4. Re:Programmer != Engineer, idiot. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing worse than retards who get a college degree in programming and start calling themselves "engineers".

    I work with these machines - design them, refine them. You could, with just the slightest hint of fancy, refer to them "difference engines". I am an Engine-er. Welcome to the English language; I suggest that you save yourself some grief and just deal with it.

    (Of course you need a license to do something useful in Canada. Woo flippin' hoo. Canadian industry is all about the incumbent industries protecting themselves from competition through regulatory capture. That's also part of why you have such sucky telecom services that you're always complaining about.)

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  5. Re:Makes sense by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Programming has one advantage over construction workers: it's mind-numbing indoor work. Most people cannot stand it. That's the real hurdle keeping people out of the industry.

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  6. Re:Makes sense by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly ; they've done studies that prove this - not everyone can program a computer. Every time I see one of those GUI programming environments designed to enable users to program, I sigh. Real programmers detest them (unless they are a mile-high model overview and they fill in the gaps), and people who can't program still can't program, so implementing them is pointless and counter-productive.

    If 30-60% of people who self-selected to go on a Computer Science course can't program, what's the percentage in the general population?

  7. I'm a programmer by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a programmer. I have been for over 25 years.

    I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of "software engineer". I think it's as ludicrous as "sanitation engineering."

    Any employer who thinks "programmer" is a derogatory or lesser term is too blinded by buzzwords for me to be happy working for them anyhow.

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  8. Re:But ... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think programmer is still a fine title. In all reality titles for software developers are so varied and vague, that as long as I am getting my pay cheque, I am quite happy to be called a 'Senior Code Monkey'. At that point I am also happy to treat my boss as 'Manager Monkey' and the CEO as 'Chief Baboon'. ;)

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