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PROTECT-IP Makes Its Way To the Floors of Congress

New submitter trunicated writes "Everyone on Slashdot seems to know about PROTECT-IP Act — how it will push responsibility for the contents of the internet onto the search engines that index it, how it will give even more power to the *IAA industries, and, worst of all, how it will provide the U.S. government with a kill switch they can use at their discretion. However, this write up may provide you with a bit more information and help you explain the issues to those that won't be able to get around the poisoned DNS entries that this bill will allow."

145 comments

  1. Popularity in the single digits by symbolset · · Score: 1

    How low can they go?

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    1. Re:Popularity in the single digits by Synerg1y · · Score: 1

      Low enough to bring about the wrath of the community they are oppressing. Did you know the piratebay is actually not the piratebay, but rather 194.71.107.15?

    2. Re:Popularity in the single digits by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      How low can they go?

      You have to ask? Sometimes they make me feel like we really missed a golden opportunity to join the Communists.

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    3. Re:Popularity in the single digits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about IPv6? Might as well be prepared.

    4. Re:Popularity in the single digits by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      How about IPv6? Might as well be prepared.

      Won't work. The *IAA, et al, must be salivating at the thought of foisting new purchases of IP-Spy-O-Lux network appliances on carriers and the hardware industry (yet another wolf lurking in the shadows) must be positively writhing at the prospect of big sales of those IP-Spy-O-Lux appliances.

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    5. Re:Popularity in the single digits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How low can they go?

      You have to ask? Sometimes they make me feel like we really missed a golden opportunity to join the Communists.

      [sarcasm on]

      No, we should have payed Osama to drop some airplanes on the RIAA and MPAA headquarters, planes full of MPAA and RIAA layers of course. He could have done a great favor to humankind, instead look what a selfish prick he was.

      [sarcasm off]

    6. Re:Popularity in the single digits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, I don't follow you. What's your point?

    7. Re:Popularity in the single digits by mirix · · Score: 1

      The point is that DNS poisoning doesn't affect IP addresses, I presume.

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    8. Re:Popularity in the single digits by JavaBear · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Occupy MPAA/RIAA ?

    9. Re:Popularity in the single digits by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

      Plutocrats: They rule US and EU. They fool US and EU. They are not US or EU. We lost the totalitarian war on economies and capitalism to the sociopath community of politicians, C*Os, clergy .... We can now go submissively to hell.

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    10. Re:Popularity in the single digits by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

      Well, now that we are "The Banana Republic" of North America ranking 23rd in economic health, 50+ in medicine and science, 45+ in education and literacy ... we need to accept the future we have built for our children and posterity, and accept the rule of the elite sociopath community of plutocrats (C*Os, politicians, clergy ...)

      HAVEFUN.

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    11. Re:Popularity in the single digits by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      You think they can't block IP addresses? With active monitoring, they can not only do that, they can also keep track of when those addresses change and block proxy sites too.

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    12. Re:Popularity in the single digits by SlippyToad · · Score: 2

      No, we should have payed Osama

      It's PAID, moron. P-A-I-D past tense of P-A-Y which you would know if you really knew the language of your country.

      But what really is stupid is your lumping of Osama in with "communists." It's as if you have had so many bullshit fears stuffed into your eagerly stupid head, you think all of your imaginary demons are the same.

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  2. So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It was fun for a while. Too bad they've decided to kill it.

    1. Re:So much for the internet. by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      It was fun for a while. Too bad they've decided to kill it.

      Seems I've seen a bumper sticker somewhere - Nothing ever imrpoves with Government involvement.

      A pretty general statement, but certainly applicable here.

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    2. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was fun for a while. Too bad they've decided to kill it.

      Seems I've seen a bumper sticker somewhere - Nothing ever imrpoves with Government involvement.

      A pretty general statement, but certainly applicable here.

      I'd say its the MAFIAA more than the government here.

    3. Re:So much for the internet. by lymond01 · · Score: 2

      Seems I've seen a bumper sticker somewhere - Nothing ever imrpoves with Government involvement.

      Government involvement in this case is kind of ridiculous. This is completely a defense of corporations thing and corporations should have to deal with it themselves. Protect their own content or change their business model. If the government wants to help out, have an Arts Fund where a portion of everyone's taxes goes to struggling artists (and I think that's about 99% of them, no pun intended). Don't spend time or taxpayer dollars taking away the arts from people just to put money in the middle-man's hand.

      Hire someone to professionally record your CD.
      Market yourself on MySpace, your local radio station, Facebook.
      Wiggle your way onto iTunes indie list.
      Profit.

      The RIAA is the marketing part which is the key to getting rich. But the Internet, and a lot of your own work, lets you skip them and still get your music out there and maybe even eat. And it'll just keep getting easier. The RIAA should work harder on concerts and forget the royalties for recording. They'll shrink considerably, but that's probably a good thing at this point.

    4. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL /. libertarians.

      Blaming the Government for having too much power when you should be blaming the people that get elected to it.

      The government protects you from this getting worse without government laws and regulation the ISPs and IAAs would achieve a far greater level of extortion.

      The problem is your government should be regulating this in your interests and not the industries.

    5. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your local radio station? The only ones who would even consider playing a hand-delivered CD are the ones that no one listens to.

    6. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government can only ruin the internet since no government meddling has ever produced anything good! Next thing you know the government will be trying to mess with medicare! They have to be stopped!

    7. Re:So much for the internet. by Moryath · · Score: 0

      And you thought government was by the people, for the people?

      Only if you define "the people" as the top 1% who run the corporations.

    8. Re:So much for the internet. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      It was fun for a while. Too bad they've decided to kill it.

      Seems I've seen a bumper sticker somewhere - Nothing ever imrpoves with Government involvement.

      A pretty general statement, but certainly applicable here.

      I'd say its the MAFIAA more than the government here.

      Actually, they are failing in the free market, because they no longer serve their customers and should be left to die and rot. But, in the US, a little government intervention goes a long way toward keeping the slaves from having any power like that.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    9. Re:So much for the internet. by anagama · · Score: 2
      From Neil Stephenson's Snow Crash

      When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else:
      music
      movies
      microcode (software)
      high-speed pizza delivery

      Sort of prescient, although software is feeling the outsourcing pinch. While it might be nice to think that Congress is finally doing something to protect American jobs (kind of hard to outsource singing if you can't understand the lyrics), we all know this is just another piece of legislation paid for by the giant corps who are bleeding us dry, and as such, like the numerous trade deals with 3d world economies, will be of no actual benefit to Americans.

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    10. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democratic governments are always 'by the people', but they are only 'for the people' if it is a socialist government. If you have a government that is not socialist (or worse, is scared of using the term), you automatically have a government that is not for the people. Rather, you have a government that is for various power blocks, to which some people may belong.

    11. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time you heard a programmer say anything good about outsourced code?

    12. Re:So much for the internet. by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      Goddamn right. Clear Channel owns over half of the stations in the United States, and they only play what they're told (paid) to by the same ass clowns behind this bullshit.

      It boggles the fucking mind that shit like Payola and Hollywood Accounting is still going on openly. Was our government EVER not totally corrupt? I want to build a time machine and go back to that time period I think...

    13. Re:So much for the internet. by wvmarle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wonder what would happen if say Google would go dark for a day, US only: replace the standard search page with a page "this is what you will see if the PROTECT-IP act becomes law". It seems, from the face of it, that this is basically the only thing Google can do to survive under such an act. Let the country feel how it would be, to do without their favourite search engine. Have Bing and Yahoo cooperate in this - all out for a day in the US, not a holiday or so, no a normal weekday - and the outcry should be sufficient. And it would give a good idea on the economic losses this bill could cause.

      And in the meantime of course they would continue to provide services as usual in jurisdictions that are not affected, i.e. the rest of the world.

      If that doesn't get the message home, nothing would, and the US is doomed.

    14. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this would be one example where Government intervention can actually be a Good Thing

    15. Re:So much for the internet. by mgf64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder what would happen if say Google would go dark for a day, US only: replace the standard search page with a page "this is what you will see if the PROTECT-IP act becomes law". It seems, from the face of it, that this is basically the only thing Google can do to survive under such an act. Let the country feel how it would be, to do without their favourite search engine. Have Bing and Yahoo cooperate in this - all out for a day in the US, not a holiday or so, no a normal weekday - and the outcry should be sufficient. And it would give a good idea on the economic losses this bill could cause.

      And in the meantime of course they would continue to provide services as usual in jurisdictions that are not affected, i.e. the rest of the world.

      If that doesn't get the message home, nothing would, and the US is doomed.

      Wikipedia just did that to Italy. The law proposal was amended within days of Wikipedia strike. Maybe they SHOULD.

    16. Re:So much for the internet. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Really not a problem if the US drops out of the Internet. Other than for the US of course. But the rest of it will just continue to work.

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    17. Re:So much for the internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in the meantime of course they would continue to provide services as usual in jurisdictions that are not affected, i.e. the rest of the world.

      No, The DNS root-level servers are US owned. FaceBook, Google, iTunes, Microsoft are all US owned. Any law that affects their head-quarters in the US, affects the entire planet. And remember, the debt-laden US is spending money it doesn't have exporting its IP laws to Great Britain, Spain, New Zealand, Australia.

    18. Re:So much for the internet. by Shompol · · Score: 2

      Have Bing and Yahoo cooperate in this - all out for a day in the US

      • - When Google stopped serving China, Ballmer announced that they are happy to stay.
      • - Sadly Yahoo search no longer exists. It is a redirect to Bing. Check it.
      • - Google complied with the Patriot Act. Expect them to comply with all future legislation. We, the people, should control our government; do not expect to hide behind any corporation's behind.
    19. Re:So much for the internet. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, software WAS feeling the "outsourcing pinch". That trend started to reverse last year and software outsourcing has been getting smaller and smaller.

      Why? Because the US companies have found that they lose too much money to poor-quality product and unreliable or even non-delivery.

      More and more, ads on the contractor boards have been saying "We are accpepting North American and European contractors only." And when you inquire about why, those are the kinds of answers you get.

  3. You ain't seen nothin' yet by JamesonLewis3rd · · Score: 2

    Complete control over everything is their goal.
    I'm not young but I would not be surprised if, one day, my wife and I find ourselves living in a tent somewhere, eating what we can catch or forage.

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    Jeremiah 33:3
    1. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by Surt · · Score: 1

      Hehehehehe.
      I have bad news for you about the likelihood of there being anything alive for you to catch or forage.

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    2. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Complete control over everything is their goal.

      I'm not young but I would not be surprised if, one day, my wife and I find ourselves living in a tent somewhere, eating what we can catch or forage.

      So ... that'll be one camping pass ... and one hunting/fishing permit, unless you plan to eat only plants, then you'll run afoul of the regulations on havesting plants, which are protected, on public lands.

      The way to beat the system is to become part of it and then force change from within.

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    3. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by JamesonLewis3rd · · Score: 1

      No, I mean there will be nothing for anybody.
      People will be fighting over cats and dogs and sunflowers.
      Dismantling their homes for fuel.
      Et cetera.

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      Jeremiah 33:3
    4. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way to beat the system is to become part of it and then force change from within.

      Which is precisely why there are so many ex-*IAAs in key government positions. They're smart people pushing smart policies - for their own betterment, nobody else's.

    5. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read too far, I stopped at "my wife and I", ha ha, like a slashdotter would ever have a wife.

    6. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by Vegeta99 · · Score: 1

      So ... that'll be one camping pass ... and one hunting/fishing permit, unless you plan to eat only plants, then you'll run afoul of the regulations on havesting plants, which are protected, on public lands.

      Well, I'm a hunter, and back home in Pennsylvania, one needs not an extra permit to hunt on state game land, just the $20 or so license. Even without that, you can hunt and eat nuisance animals (coyote, crows, starlings, perhaps bobcats) on any day of the week, without limit, even Sunday when no other hunting is permitted. A license to fish is only required for public waters, and only if you're over, IIRC, 16.

    7. Re:You ain't seen nothin' yet by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      What? Public lands? Is there still any land that is not owned by anyone where you live?

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  4. More accurately... by mykos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nothing ever improves when corporations and the governments team up to screw the populace.

    1. Re:More accurately... by RenderSeven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. ~P.J. O'Rourke

    2. Re:More accurately... by sdguero · · Score: 1

      When has the government ever not teamed up with corporations?

    3. Re:More accurately... by thenewt · · Score: 1

      Did P.J. O'Rourke have a corresponding snappy witticism for an unregulated market?

    4. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. ~P.J. O'Rourke

      P.J. O'Rourke is a tool.

      If he said water was wet, I'd want a second opinion.

      You've got to follow the strings, and the ones holding all the strings are corporations. They became more powerful than any government decades ago.

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    5. Re:More accurately... by schwit1 · · Score: 2

      "You've got to follow the strings, and the ones holding all the strings are corporations. They became more powerful than any government decades ago."

      Right. That's why California, New York, Illinois and many other states are near bankruptcy.

    6. Re:More accurately... by muon-catalyzed · · Score: 1

      Corporations? What about the little guy? Those small businesses and indies that have their stuff on those thieves bazaar sites? Who will help them?

    7. Re:More accurately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that WAS one.

    8. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      You've got to follow the strings, and the ones holding all the strings are corporations. They became more powerful than any government decades ago.

      Riiiiight. That's because of all the enforcement of corporate policies by armed bureaucracies, the IRS, autonomous drones and legions of ... rent-a-cops?

      Strings are more powerful than guns, now?

      If only the government had MORE power (to beat MORE heads), everything would be okay, right? Then they would only protect the people that spend their days working and have limited funds for lobbying and media time, right?

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      --- Jerry Garcia
    9. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      When has the government ever not teamed up with corporations?

      Well there was that brief period in America between 1775 and 1789.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    10. Re:More accurately... by Mattcelt · · Score: 1

      ...and why Citigroup, General Motors, Chrysler, and Bank of America aren't.

    11. Re:More accurately... by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      Strings are more powerful then guns if the strings decide who gets shot. And I've said it before, will say it again. I'll take my chances with the gov't, because at least I HAVE a chance. Corporations stated goal is profit, not matter what the cost. The gov't at least has the potential to be "By the people, for the people". A corporation will never be anything but what it is: A replacement for the apparatus of the Divine Right of Kings.

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    12. Re:More accurately... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 1

      It's like every fucking corporation has turned into Weyland-Yutani Corp. overnight or something, complete with hordes of Carter Burke's running around leaving slime trails on everything they get close too...

    13. Re:More accurately... by Khyber · · Score: 2

      California Near Bankruptcy, still #8 or #9 economy in the world.

      If that doesn't paint a bleak picture, I don't know what will.

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    14. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      Strings are more powerful then guns if the strings decide who gets shot. And I've said it before, will say it again. I'll take my chances with the gov't, because at least I HAVE a chance. Corporations stated goal is profit, not matter what the cost. The gov't at least has the potential to be "By the people, for the people". A corporation will never be anything but what it is: A replacement for the apparatus of the Divine Right of Kings.

      The "Divine Right of Kings" IS, a form of government. Corporations have no power in a free market, only the consumers do. They have no powers of coercion, they require government for that. Government retains a monopoly on violence - all over violence is unlawful. A government "By the people" does nothing to protect the rights of its people, unless it is constrained from doing so - that's the purpose of the US Constitution - to constrain the powers of the government to its primary purpose: protecting the individual rights of its people.

      The US Federal government does not really prioritize on that anymore - they are powerful enough not to. They don't respond to the people very much anymore, they are powerful enough not to. And with a government that powerful, with that much influence over all commerce and the ability to interject rules into every private transaction, of course there are entities looking to influence the government to favor them with their rules. Companies that do NOT invest in lobbying and influencing legislators are at a disadvantage, and if they manage to grow successful in such a situation, eventually the government will come after them for daring to ignore the government's power. Microsoft learned that lesson, and now has one of the largest lobbying budgets of any US company. Gibson Guitar is learning that lesson right now.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    15. Re:More accurately... by symbolset · · Score: 1

      As much as I admire them Jefferson and Washington were both 1%'ers who wanted among other things relief from taxes on their businesses.

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    16. Re:More accurately... by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Strings are more powerful then guns if the strings decide who gets shot. And I've said it before, will say it again. I'll take my chances with the gov't, because at least I HAVE a chance. Corporations stated goal is profit, not matter what the cost. The gov't at least has the potential to be "By the people, for the people". A corporation will never be anything but what it is: A replacement for the apparatus of the Divine Right of Kings.

      The "Divine Right of Kings" IS, a form of government. Corporations have no power in a free market, only the consumers do. They have no powers of coercion, they require government for that. Government retains a monopoly on violence - all over violence is unlawful. A government "By the people" does nothing to protect the rights of its people, unless it is constrained from doing so - that's the purpose of the US Constitution - to constrain the powers of the government to its primary purpose: protecting the individual rights of its people.

      Except, as you pointed out, the corporations have bought the government. Then, it devolves down to 'all personages are equal, but some ore more equal than others', since corporations are personages by law...

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    17. Re:More accurately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations have no power in a free market

      Except when they have lots of money, monopolies, and the method which they use to screw consumers over is small enough that consumers won't shop elsewhere.

    18. Re:More accurately... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Actually - government does need more power. Whatever happened to that "for the people, by the people, and of the people" thing? I guess that got shitcanned sometime around Grant's day. The Teapot scandal was all about making rich men richer, and I can't see that much has changed since then.

      Today, there are people protesting in the streets, trying to get government's attention, and the response is to make those protests illegal, and to jail the protesters. Didn't they do the same thing in the '60's and '70's?

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    19. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      As much as I admire them Jefferson and Washington were both 1%'ers who wanted among other things relief from taxes on their businesses.

      That explains the Declaration of Independence, but it doesn't explain the Constitutional Convention, and the results of it, which vastly expanded the power of the central government.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    20. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Corporations have no power in a free market

      Except when they have lots of money, monopolies, and the method which they use to screw consumers over is small enough that consumers won't shop elsewhere.

      If the "screwing" is "small enough" that consumers won't shop elsewhere, it pretty much sounds like that's a functional market. Small-dicked corporations don't really seem like much of a threat.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    21. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      You do realize it's government that's shutting down the protests and jailing the protesters, right? How does it make sense, then, to make them more powerful? So they can arrest protesters even faster?

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    22. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Strings are more powerful than guns, now?

      Always have been. Napoleon was the most powerful man in the world and yet was small and weak. He didn't even carry a gun.

      If you can control government, you control the guns.

      Oh come on, you know all this. You're just playing dumb.

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    23. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right. That's why California, New York, Illinois and many other states are near bankruptcy.

      Texas was closer to bankruptcy than Illinois before they used all that Federal stimulus money to buy their way out of debt.

      Maybe those states are near bankruptcy because corporations that make all the money in those states aren't paying taxes. Here in Chicago, every big box store that opens up does so thanks to a tax abatement in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Koch Brothers only decided to do business in Wisconsin when Scott Walker pushed through his big tax giveaway to them.

      Again, what I'm saying, that corporate lobbyists are currently in charge of at least two of the three branches of the US government, is not really disputable. Most new legislation is literally written by lobbyists. Every single new regulation is written by lobbyists. Every change to the tax code, without exception, is written by lobbyists.

      Just by promising fat paydays to congressional staffers, they control more than 80% of all legislators. If you're a congressional staffer right now, your average salary on the day you leave congress is more than a half-million dollars. If your congressman is a member of a powerful committee, you're guaranteed seven figures. The first thing every single elected official does when leaving office is become a lobbyist. It's a big club and it has replaced our constitutional representative government in a silent coup which started in earnest in January of 1981 when Ronald Reagan declared the US government for sale to the highest bidder.

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    24. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      You said "corporations" hold all the strings, and you compare them to Napoleon - a dictator with an army. Excellent example of a false equivalency if I ever saw one.

      The last I saw, it was 535 people in Washington that pass, enforce, and uphold the laws, and a smaller number than than in charge of the military and all the armed bureaucracies. If you're complaining about about outside influences on the decisions those people make, then fine, but they are still the ones making the decisions, and claiming corporations have direct control over the coercive power of government is bullcrap.

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      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    25. Re:More accurately... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      My sidewise sarcasm failed to make it's mark. When one reads the various documents associated with the founding of this nation, it becomes apparent that you and I are the government, along with about 350 million other citizens. At least, that was the plan. Something seems to have happened along the way, though.

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    26. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      You said "corporations" hold all the strings, and you compare them to Napoleon - a dictator with an army. Excellent example of a false equivalency if I ever saw one.

      Slowly now...

      Napoleon had an army.

      Corporations have a government, which has guns.

      The last I saw, it was 535 people in Washington that pass, enforce, and uphold the laws

      And 40,000 lobbyists, each offering money to those 535 people.

      If you're a big strong contract killer and you work for a mob boss, who's got the power? Trans-national corporations are the mob boss.

      I think you're being purposely obtuse about this, pretending not to understand the most basic of rules: That the one with the gold makes the rules. Even the Federal Reserve, who has ALL the "gold" is a corporate entity. There was a coup while you were sleeping, wolfy.

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    27. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Even more false equivalencies. If you think your description of a mob boss with a hit man on salary is comparable, then please provide an example of a corporation ordering a hit that was carried out by a government official. I can think of lots of examples of the opposite (government agencies ordering hits carried out by corporations). They still do that in Iraq.

      Now sure, you can claim that corporations wanting access to oil prompted the invasion of Iraq, the takeover of Libya, and the threats against the government of Uganda, and that's true. However it's also true that there are plenty of citizens supporting those actions, even if they are fooled by the compromised media and government spokeholes into thinking those actions aren't really about oil. But it's still the government making those decisions, and it's still the government that needs to be held accountable.

      I don't disagree with you at all about the Federal Reserve and the undue influence of bad actors involved with many transnational corporations. But my contention is still no less valid: That it is the excessive power and coercive might of the Federal government that makes all this possible. And that ceding even more authority to the Federal government can only make the situation worse. And bringing down the power of the Federal government, or at least re-establishing the strict chains that the Constitution was intended to be is the only way to improve the situation.

      After all, the authority of the Federal government, and especially the Executive branch, has for the most part only grown greater and greater over time. And every new power or expansion of that authority only serves to make things worse for the people, and lately that has included people all over the world.

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    28. Re:More accurately... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rick Perry for President! He knows how to create jobs and balance budgets... /sarcasm

    29. Re:More accurately... by lecoupdejarnac · · Score: 1

      Corporations have no power in a free market, only the consumers do.

      That is frighteningly optimistic. Any truly free market naturally gravitates toward a plutocracy of monopolies, as companies continually get bigger and buy each other out unchecked (see Big Oil, Big Media, Big Telecom, etc). Then what power do consumers have? We might a government that can provide and enforce regulation to prevent this.

    30. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Corporations have no power in a free market, only the consumers do.

      That is frighteningly optimistic. Any truly free market naturally gravitates toward a plutocracy of monopolies, as companies continually get bigger and buy each other out unchecked (see Big Oil, Big Media, Big Telecom, etc). Then what power do consumers have? We might a government that can provide and enforce regulation to prevent this.

      Those are ALL examples of market distortions caused by government, not problems with the market. Big Oil is subsidized and heavily regulated by government. Everyone remembers the "trust bust" of Standard Oil, but few people realize that Standard was actually LOSING market share BEFORE the breakup, when its market share stood around 60 to 65%. Big Media is supported by never-ending copyright laws, trade agreements, and government-sponsored enforcement of private contracts. Big Telecom was created as a government-granted monopoly, broken up, then provided funding, enlisted as a tax collector, and granted all kinds of incumbent protections in recent laws.

      Certainly there is a place for reasonable and fair regulation of industry, but the amount of intervention today is so great that the power consumers should typically have in the market is heavily curtailed. Any government support of commerce is slanted heavily toward protecting and benefiting producers. The only type of "consumer protection" rules that are passed these days are ones that eliminate consumer choice, and they ultimately benefit certain producers.

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    31. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      then please provide an example of a corporation ordering a hit that was carried out by a government official.

      God, you make it too easy.

        Guatemala, 1954. United Fruit Co orders President Eisenhower to assassinate President Juan Jose Arevalo. Eisenhower complies. This is at least the second time that United Fruit Co orders US assets to kill leaders in Guatemala.

      Chile, 1973. A group of US mining and energy companies, afraid that their interests in Chile would be nationalized by Salvador Allende, order President Richard Nixon to remove him from power using any means. Nixon, following orders, sends the CIA to assassinate President Allende and his top general.

      Transnational corporations have been ordering the US government to assassinate people in South and Central America for more than half a century. There have been more than 100 such corporate ordered assassinations.

      After all, the authority of the Federal government, and especially the Executive branch, has for the most part only grown greater and greater over time.

      No, that's wrong. There is only one branch of government whose power has been growing out of control, and that's the US Supreme Court. Nine politicians in robes, since 1980 they have expanded the scope of their power beyond all intention of the founders. Further, they have put themselves outside the scope of any oversight by the other branches once they are appointed to the Court. They are not even bound by the same ethics standards that every other sitting judge in the country has to follow.

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    32. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      God, you make it too easy.

      Easy because you're making stuff up. Yea, making stuff up is easy. Try some truth instead, that's what I was looking for.

      Guatemala, 1954. United Fruit Co orders President Eisenhower to assassinate President Juan Jose Arevalo.

      Bzzzzt!Arevalo died in 1990, and his term as President ended in 1951. What happened in 1954 was, after many years of bad relations, the Secretary of State of the US, and the CIA, backed a rebel (Carlos Castillo Armas), who eventually took over. The President he deposed was exiled. Yea, it protected the interests of United Fruit, who had been losing property to the Communist government for years. Nobody ordered Eisenhower to do anything. This incident was similar to the recent takeover of Libya, except in Libya the President really WAS killed

      I already mentioned that type of scenario. It's not corporations "ordering" any violent action, in spite of however you wish to couch your rhetoric.

      There is only one branch of government whose power has been growing out of control, and that's the US Supreme Court.

      You're really out there with this one. The SCOTUS doesn't make laws at all, it only interprets them. It takes years for anyone to even get an audience. Yet the US President these days, if he's frustrated by delays getting congress to pass a law, just decides to start issuing executive orders to implement them anyway. Nobody stops him, SCOTUS doesn't question it. He's got drones, and he's sent them after and killed US Citizens with them. No corporate orders, just dictatorial level power.

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    33. Re:More accurately... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Bzzzzt!Arevalo died in 1990, and his term as President ended in 1951.

      You're right. I had my presidents confused. It was Jacobo Arbenz GuzmÃn that United Fruit ordered Eisenhower to kill. He got out of the country because there was an attack of conscience on the ground. There is no dispute that within the orders to cause the overthrow of Guzman there was "technical information" about how to execute a political assassination. I guess you believe that was just there for fun.

      And you are absolutely right. NATO and Obama assassinated the president of Libya at the behest of oil companies.

      The SCOTUS doesn't make laws at all, it only interprets them.

      Really? When SCOTUS decided that corporations were people, was that first a law? Which law? When SCOTUS decided that money = speech, was that first a law?

      When congress set limits on campaign spending, SCOTUS threw the law out claiming it was "unconstitutional". Before Marbury v Madison, more than a decade after the constitution was written, SCOTUS gave themselves a power not enumerated in the Constitution, "judicial review". Where in the Constitution does it say that the Supreme Court has the power to decide what is constitutional and what is not?

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    34. Re:More accurately... by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Really? When SCOTUS decided that corporations were people, was that first a law? Which law? When SCOTUS decided that money = speech, was that first a law?

      Nice repetition of statist backwards meme propagation, there, have to hand it to you for that. FYI, corporations ARE people. That is, they are government-sanctioned ways to organize groups of people, by government rules. While I agree that government has provided corporations too much protection, they didn't get it from the SCOTUS. All that Woodward did was say they have a right to enter into contracts and have them enforced. That is essential for any functioning system of commerce. The Santa Clara County decision just said that corporate debts have to be treated the same as personal debts for tax purposes. These are just items of fairness. It's called equal justice (contrasted sharply with "social justice" which states that neediness invokes a claim to the labor of others).

      The SCOTUS is supposed to protect free speech and other rights, and free speech is probably one of the most important ones. Congress and the President have shown they have nothing but contempt for others' free speech rights - at least there is some branch sometimes upholding them. The only thing Buckley did was say you can't limit spending on campaigns - it does indeed limit speech.

      In any case, these are all just cases where the government tried to impose limits on freedom, and people appealed to the courts. How the courts decide those conflicts may be of interest, but if you're going to complain about them going too far it looks like you would more likely have issue with something like Roe or Wickard, not the ones you do.

      And it's nothing compared to the power of the executive these days, killing US citizens with drones, passing executive orders to get around Congress, ignoring Congress AND the decisions of the courts to implement whatever rules it wants. The FCC, the Department of Energy, and the EPA have all done that at the behest of the executive, all in violation of both Congressional laws and Federal court rulings. And yet you claim the SCOTUS is the one with expanded powers??? No basis in fact, and entirely bogus.

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  5. Self Healing & Self Explanatory by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    help you explain the issues to those that won't be able to get around the poisoned DNS entries that this bill will allow

    When Pakistan screwed up, according to their own internal policies, and altered the routing (BGP) and effectively caused youtube.com to be /dev/null'd for a half a day, the rest of the world responded. They fixed the routes, and Pakistan lost a lot of credibility and respect from other IT people. Were Pakistan to continue affecting the rest of the world with its internal policies, the rest of the world would respond more and more stringently, to the point that Pakistan would not have access to such systems anymore.

    This is no different. If the US decides to mess around with DNS in accordance with its own internal policies, the rest of the world will respond by taking that control away. Either through a EU sanctioned DNS infrastructure, or some sort of p2p infrastructure.

    The alternative is the rest of the world dealing with clearly incorrect DNS entries and businesses having to deal with US control.

    This problem does not need to be further explained, and the ones that do understand it, will work around it. This is a good thing. It will push DNS beyond US control, and might actually start a decentralized/fractured DNS system where those that care can resolve host names the way they see fit.

    In short, this only provides more motivation to "solving" our problem of a monitored Internet. Create a secondary Internet on top of it that is not monitored and cannot be interfered with. Several projects in the works, and this only puts more fuel on the fire so to speak.

    1. Re:Self Healing & Self Explanatory by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2
      (regarding the Internet) "Anyone that tries to chop it into two will find that their piece looks very boring"

      -- Sir Tim Berners-Lee

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    2. Re:Self Healing & Self Explanatory by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I understand what you are trying to say, but it does not apply to a secondary layer or DNS.

      DNS is just name resolution. It does not imply splitting into many pieces at all, and in fact, would more than likely be redundant. I can see DNS resolution becoming more granular, and its set up and operation more than just a few dialog boxes in a control interface.

      You can have DNS networks that forward their questions to other networks. That's not new. Using it in a way to create a separate infrastructure and preferred resolution with other networks depending on the TLDs, etc. would be. I don't see that as far fetched either.

      As for the secondary layer, that is not affecting the primary layer at all as far as divisions, peer and transit agreements, etc. There could be multiple secondary layers, which is highly likely, and would be more like protected communities. The secondary layer that delivers the most popular features with the highest level of service will win.

      In any case, I don't think it will have an outcome as dreary as the one you portray. It's going to happen eventually, and some people might get left behind for awhile. Right now we live in a idealistic paradise compared to what content companies, carriers, and governments want us to have. Even if it is like you say, we are headed for it.

      The Internet will fork. That's my post 2012 prediction.

    3. Re:Self Healing & Self Explanatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      (regarding the Internet) "Anyone that tries to chop it into two will find that their piece looks very boring"

      -- Sir Tim Berners-Lee

      That is essentially the point. Censorship is intentionally trying to create a boring environment where nothing strange or gross exists so that everyone can live in a bubble echo chamber.

      Once someone starts cutting things up, repairing it is the only option and, unfortunately, DNS is centralised (unlike routing) so isn't self-healing.

    4. Re:Self Healing & Self Explanatory by prowler1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you will end up seeing is that the internet in America is going to end up looking and working a lot like the internet in China does but instead of being controlled by the government, it will be controlled by corporations. In this case, *IAA will be initially in charge but if the bill is passed and goes into effect, how long will it be until other corporations start to jump onto the band wagon and start to control/block things they don't like.

      Lets also be honest, how many other governments/corporations out there would love to do something similar in their country of choice and how many have already started to bring out watered down control laws, look at Australia with its internet filter as a start.

    5. Re:Self Healing & Self Explanatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dad's been calling for a fork in the internet for years, and he doesn't even use computers.

      "FORK the internet!", he'd say...

  6. Tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please buy the media industries already. They have way too much power over your business in comparison to their economic weight.

    1. Re:Tech industry by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Please buy the media industries already. They have way too much power over your business in comparison to their economic weight.

      Be careful what you wish for. Look what happened to Sony.

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    2. Re:Tech industry by jonwil · · Score: 1

      We already have Sony who are both a tech company AND a media company and the media side clearly rules the roost there.

      Remember when Sony was cool and made things like the Walkman, the Betamax video player (famous because of the victory by Sony in "Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc" that found recording of TV to watch later to be legal) and the 3 & 1/2 inch floppy disk.

      That was before they bought CBS Records & Columbia Pictures (and later BMG records and a stake in MGM) and became a media company that happens to make consumer electronics.

    3. Re:Tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please buy the media industries already. They have way too much power over your business in comparison to their economic weight.

      Ha ha ha it would be 1000 times worse. Look at how fucked up Sony is since they grabbed Columbia Pictures.
      The last thing you want is for hardware companies to buy up the media industry. Thats the fastest way to vertical integration and locked down devices. Somehow people never learn from history.
      No what we need is for legislation (short of a full blown revolution) to scale back the insane amount of power this tiny tiny industry has gained during the last 2 decades.

  7. It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Pluvius · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's now known as the E-PARASITE Act. Normally I wouldn't bother posting over something so trivial, but the new name is so poetically apt that I have to mention it.

    Rob

    1. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by mrquagmire · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by margeman2k3 · · Score: 1

      I'll save you the effort.
      Here's their reply:

      Dear concerned citizens,
      We appreciate you taking the time and effort to file a petition,
      but we don't care what you think, so kindly go fuck yourselves.
      Regards,

    3. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      E-PARASITE is the House of Representatives version. The article is talking about the Senate version S.968 which is still PROTECT-IP

    4. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative

      In order to sign that petition, you have to have an account at whitehouse.gov. If you click on the "WHY," it tells you that you have to have an account there in order to sign petitions. So much for a "transparent administration."

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    5. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      I actually went over and signed it. How naive I am. But then I read the "responses" to the other petitions.

      They actually do a lot of bullcrap spin before politely saying "screw you".

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    6. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually went over and signed it. How naive I am.

      Welcome to the no-fly list.

    7. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But petitions aren't supposed to be anonymous anyway.

    8. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks and yes I did sign it.

    9. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      So you could sign it the same way you sign a paper petition: by giving your name, address and email address.

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    10. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason for requiring an account is pretty obvious. It makes it harder (though obviously not impossible) for people to sign petitions repeatedly. At least this way it forces them to create a new email address each time, which is beyond the capabilities of most average Americans. Requiring an account also provides a trail back if someone should start posting threats, spamming, or doing other illegal things. In short, the site requires accounts for the same reasons that most website forums do.

    11. Re:It's not the PROTECT-IP Act. by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I've no objection to having to sign up there before signing petitions. My point was that clicking on the WHY button simply repeated the statement that you have to have an account there instead of explaining why you need an account. In other words, the button was completely redundant.

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  8. Scum floats to the top, so does crap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporate America is spitting into the face of the occupywallstreet effort! It's beginning to look like the 99% are going to get screwed again. Max Weber was right, modernity is the end.

  9. so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long till they use this crap to take down the OWS related websites?

    1. Re:so... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to shutup an idiot? The more they talk the better. (Para: Ben Franklin)

      The ones idiots you want to shutup are the ones that claim to be on your side. (Me) If anybody is going to shutdown it will be the Democrat party. The fleabaggers are making them all look like equal fools.

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    2. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, how did you make it into the 1% with such poor language skills? Or are you just a useful idiot?

    3. Re:so... by AngryDeuce · · Score: 2

      Partisan politics are retarded, as are people that think that there is any real difference between the Republicans and Democrats. You're rooting for much the same team one way or another...

    4. Re:so... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      All I said was that you don't want to shutup fools as they hurt their own cause. I said nothing about supporting any party. Just absolutely not supporting these idiots.

      The fleabaggers are just the same ol same ol.

      I ignored them when they were protesting the WTO, D convention, R convention etc etc etc.

      The fact they have new publicists hasn't made them any smarter. The .99% are just the permanent protesting class. I have no doubt the D's would love for them to shut the fuck up as they are vote losers as sure as the KKK is.

      The real action right now is the impending collapse of the euro anyhow. I think it's the only chance the dollar has (capital flight from the euro might give us enough time and/or suckers). To paraphrase the old punchline: 'The Dollar doesn't have to outrun the bear, just outrun the Euro.'

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  10. technical solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't we just block the US IP space?
    Enough of their threats and bullshit.

    People who want access to the world-wide Internet can always figure out a way to get a tunnel, be it ssh, freenet, or some other way of getting out of the Public Democratic Republic of the US of A.

    We don't need their rules imposed on us.

    Thanks.

    1. Re:technical solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah.. we'd prefer it if you just said thanks for all the technology and went on your way. Stop watching our entertainment and stop using our software. And stop commenting on American websites like Slashdot ;-) But why don't you euro idiots create your own internet protocol system like we did? That is .. if you aren't in a soon-to-be third world country in the eurozone. hahaha..

    2. Re:technical solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like I hurt you in some way? Are you agreeing with the way the US is using "the law" to control the Internet? Why do you think I'm from Europe? Why call them idiots?
      Are you proud to be an American? If yes, why?

      That aside, we can still share information, we can use TCP/IP, we just don't need to peer anymore with anything in the US. So you can have your entertainment, and your software and we can move slashdot or duplicate it or whatever.

      I proposed a viable solution to the Internet/copyright thing. If you agree that copyrights are way overrated then you should applaud proposals like this and look into the feasibility of it.

      PS: If we keep worshipping the economy we'll all be heading to 3-world country status in no time, yes, sorry to say, also the US.

      You're welcome.

  11. its a limit problem actually by masternerdguy · · Score: 0

    They can go really, really close to zero, but not quite since the money they make off passing this act is represented as 1 / (public support) . They can get the amount of public support to a number arbitrarily close to zero, but not zero.

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    1. Re:its a limit problem actually by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't even have to do that. Just blame it all on the [other party], and point out how much more the [other party] is, and the public is sure to avoid voting for any third party, because it might mean the [wrong party] gets elected.

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  12. hmmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    As I read about the poisoned DNS entries, I pause to edit /etc/hosts

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    1. Re:hmmm by Thing+1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      As I read about the poisoned DNS entries, I pause to edit /etc/hosts

      Yeah, a while ago (3 months and a day, my comment shows) I stopped Facebook's ability to monitor me, at least from this computer. Added to /etc/hosts:

      # screw facebook 2011-07-31
      127.0.0.1 facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com

      I'll likely do the same once the details of this are known...

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    2. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I read about the poisoned DNS entries, I pause to edit /etc/hosts

      Yeah, a while ago (3 months and a day, my comment shows) I stopped Facebook's ability to monitor me, at least from this computer. Added to /etc/hosts:

      # screw facebook 2011-07-31

      127.0.0.1 facebook.com

      127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com

      I'll likely do the same once the details of this are known...

      Great, you've accomplished nothing. You know that Facebook tracks you via the Like buttons on various sites right? Can you still see the Facebook Like button? (Slashdot has one at the bottom of the summary, can you see it?)

      You should, since those are served by Facebook's CDN (fbcdn.net and fbcdn.com), not facebook.com.

    3. Re:hmmm by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Great, you've accomplished nothing. [...] (fbcdn.net and fbcdn.com)

      Thanks for pointing out the flaws in a typical open source manner. I will fix my /etc/hosts. Are there any other Facebook sites that I should be bit-bucketing? Thanks in advance.

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    4. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're only stopping yourself from getting to facebook. Try -

      127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.www.www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.www.www.www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 facebook.com
        127.0.0.1 static.ak.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 www.static.ak.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 login.facebook.com
        127.0.0.1 www.login.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 www.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 fbcdn.com
        127.0.0.1 www.fbcdn.com
      127.0.0.1 static.ak.connect.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.static.ak.connect.facebook.com

      And I wouldn't be surprised if there were more that they were using.

    5. Re:hmmm by cela0811 · · Score: 1

      What is the point of having www.www.www.www.facebook.com?

    6. Re:hmmm by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      They have a whole slew of domains, blocking these two hosts is not enough. The other big fat one is fbcdn.net, but that's just a start.

      You really want to block whole domains rather than just @ and www.@, too.

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    7. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Filter evasion, nothing more

    8. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why stop there?

      127.0.0.1 facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 login.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.login.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 fbcdn.com
      127.0.0.1 www.fbcdn.com
      127.0.0.1 www.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 static.ak.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 static.ak.connect.facebook.com
      127.0.0.1 www.static.ak.fbcdn.net
      127.0.0.1 www.static.ak.connect.facebook.com

      Feel free to add to the list.

  13. Write your congressman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your congressman/senators are your lawmakers (unless they have been bought). Write to them and tell them not to vote for it. People always overstate the power of the executive branch and seem to try to understate the power of congress. https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

    Even better. Somebody with more resources and experience than I should try to croudsource a bill to update the DCMA and Regan era internet regulations.

    1. Re:Write your congressman by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      ... Regan era internet regulations.

      There's no such thing. Unless you're referring to the Acceptable Use Policies written by the government agencies universities that wholly owned the entire network.

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    2. Re:Write your congressman by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Your congressman/senators are your lawmakers (unless they have been bought). Write to them and tell them not to vote for it. People always overstate the power of the executive branch and seem to try to understate the power of congress. https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

      Too late, they're already bought. The technical term for this is 'campaign contributions'.

      Even better. Somebody with more resources and experience than I should try to croudsource a bill to update the DCMA and Regan era internet regulations.

      Until you can field a wad of cash greater than the *IAAs can, you can do all the crowdsourcing you want, it won't mean a thing. As has been noted several times over the last several years, 'If voting ever really changed anything, they'd make it illegal'.

      The more paranoid among us of course will theorise that attempts like this are a way for the *IAAs are doing this to scrape every possible dime from the consumer to prevent any attempt by the public to outbuy their influence.

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      Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
    3. Re:Write your congressman by flonker · · Score: 1

      I tried that. The reply was rather discouraging. I'm attempting to figure out what to say in return, and whether it would have any effect.

      Subject: RE: Your response from Senator Bill Nelson
      From: Bill @billnelson.senate.gov
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:27:50 -0400

      Dear [....]:

              Thank you for contacting me regarding S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property (PROTECT IP) Act of 2011. I am a cosponsor of this legislation. Introduced by Senator Leahy, this bill passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on May 26, 2011.

              This legislation would authorize the Attorney General or an intellectual property right owner to take action against a registrant, owner, or operator of an Internet site dedicated to infringing activities. It also provides guidelines for preventative measures to be taken by operators of nonauthoritative domain name system servers, financial transaction providers, Internet advertising services, and information location tools, with respect to nondomestic or domestic domain names.

              I appreciate the time you have taken to express your thoughts on this issue, and I will be sure to keep them in mind should the bill come to the full Senate for a vote. Please do not hesitate to contact me again in the future.

                                                              Sincerely,
                                                              Bill Nelson

      P.S. From time to time, I compile electronic news briefs highlighting key issues and hot topics of particular importance to Floridians. If you'd like to receive these e-briefs, visit my Web site and sign up for them at http://billnelson.senate.gov/news/ebriefs.cfm

  14. Do we even have to worry? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    Does this even have much of a chance of passing? Considering how hard it's been lately to get IMPORTANT laws passed... do we even have to worry?

    Our government can't seem to get much of anything done lately; how is this different?

    1. Re:Do we even have to worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it will be passed because both sides have been well waxed with crisp $100 bills. This will be one of the few things they will agree on.

    2. Re:Do we even have to worry? by shadowofwind · · Score: 2
    3. Re:Do we even have to worry? by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      Does this even have much of a chance of passing? Considering how hard it's been lately to get IMPORTANT laws passed... do we even have to worry?

      Our government can't seem to get much of anything done lately; how is this different?

      Like all laws that benefit only the government and their corporate buddies, it will be passed as a "bi-partisan effort", and sold as "an important innovation to protect the American people."

      --
      "Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
      --- Jerry Garcia
    4. Re:Do we even have to worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it have a chance of _not_ passing? I wrote Saint Wellstone about how crazy it was that a person watching a movie he PURCHASED on a linux machine using libdvdcss was now a felon who could be charged $100,000 and spend five years in jail and I got the reply that he was proud that he passed it and would do it again. Technical case closed. Senator bought and sold.

      And you have to understand that this _is_ important legislation -- important to the people who pay "our" congress.

    5. Re:Do we even have to worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the government can't agree on important issues, they will want to find something easy that they can all agree with.

    6. Re:Do we even have to worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it will pass with flying colors.

      There are more democrats on board than republicans, but there's still a lot of republicans.

      The two parties came together just recently for trade agreements with Columbia (a country known for executing union participants)

      When it comes to money interests, it's amazing how these two parties are willing to work together.

      I really think the two party bickering is just theatrics, I've watched as they DO work together, quite willingly, when it's time to screw the American populace.

  15. Wrote to my senator, and... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wrote to my senator (Mike Johanns, R-NE) to urge him to oppose the Hollywood Welfare Act [1] which helps a tiny (but vocal) cartel at the expense of everyone else. His office replied to say he agreed that it was crucial legislation to protect America's creative industries. So much for letter writing. :-/

    In fairness, the last time I wrote him on a completely unrelated subject, he called me himself. I got home to an answering message: "Hi Kirk, this is Mike Johanns and I wanted to talk to you about your letter. Sorry I missed you! Give me a call back if you'd like." We never managed to meet up, but I respect that he personally went of out his way to address a constituent. I just hate that he's firmly on the wrong side (in my opinion) of this issue.

    [1] I called it by its official name in my letter, but call it by its real name elsewhere.

    --
    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    1. Re:Wrote to my senator, and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you defending? See you when your stuff gets 'uploaded'. We have written to those Torrent sites, begging them kindly to pull our stuff, never an answer came. It is not only about big corporations and big media, independenst and small artists alike need this badly. Theft is theft.

    2. Re:Wrote to my senator, and... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      See you when your stuff gets 'uploaded'.

      You can download my stuff - legally - in a lot of places. Share and enjoy!

      It is not only about big corporations and big media, independenst and small artists alike need this badly.

      Bullshit. Independents and small artists will never have the resources to wield these sticks. This is a Hollywood power grab and there's simply no other reasonable way to describe it.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    3. Re:Wrote to my senator, and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry.. not every one is a communist retard like you.

      Grow up and try again.

    4. Re:Wrote to my senator, and... by Brannoncyll · · Score: 1

      Historians take note: here we see the formation of the new Hitler Youth. Sieg Heil!

  16. Re:This quote may be relevant. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    As much as I love ol' Ben, I'm having trouble finding a way to twist his quote to this situation.

    --
    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  17. Distinction without a difference by mykos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. ~P.J. O'Rourke

    "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomas Jefferson

    Looks like Jefferson didn't get his wish.

  18. The Wall by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    Throw away everything you've ever been taught about copyright, neighboring rights, moral rights, etc.

    Treat copyright the same as patents: allow exclusive rights for a limited time to earn back investments made. Art in the mainstream is and has been treated as products/merchandise, so we might as well let the legislative side reflect that fact and forget about that small world of a few publishers and creators, and a huge world of consumers. The public are still consumers but at the same time are creators and publishers, too. Inventors that spend years to develop their inventions get 20 years of protection, why shouldn't suffice for creators?

    Can you imagine a world where every work (including "orphaned works") published before 1990 is Public Domain and free for everyone to use, modify and do whatever they please? This will break the power of the RIAA/MPAA. Right now there is no Public Domain, other than some very old literature. Every commercially released DVD-Audio, SACD, CD-Audio, 33rpm vinyl LP, 45rpm single, and even a significant fraction of old 78 rpm recordings are still kept behind the Copyright Wall which is what gives the *AA their power.

    President Obama, Tear Down That Wall!

    --
    When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
  19. Don't be naieve... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only a matter of time until the corporate-government corruption begins passing some tipping points (like here, for example).

  20. Anyone read the current version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IANAL, but it seems to me the latest version of the bill gives this power only to the attorney general, and gives it only for "nondomestic" sites "dedicated" to infringing activities. Now I have no idea what the burden of proof is for "dedicated", but it seems like this is pretty squarely targeted at foreign video sharing sites that are outside of US laws. So they want to blackhole them.
    I guess I'm not against that if the burden of proof is set high ( yes I know it probably won't be )

    Maybe the MPAA should just start offering their own censored DNS service that if you use it, you get "movie points!"

    *sigh* keep paddling upstream MPAA, maybe you'll get there someday and make us all go back to watching movies only in the theater.

  21. It was Just a matter of time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I can see this type of control was always going to come. If you look across the board with how corporate interests are crippling western society and so called democracy, it was only a matter of time before the last bastion of free speech was muffled and squeezed closed. Sadly Australia seems to follow the US in some of its more foolish endeavours i home this isnt one of them. Good luck USA, you're gonna need it! :(

  22. Goodbye DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello Onion Routing!

  23. Not yet on the House floor by benuski · · Score: 2

    To be fair, so far this bill has only been referred to the Judiciary Committee; it is not yet on the floor of the House of Representatives as a whole. The vast majority of bills die in committee, so let's hope this one does as well. You can track the progress of the bill at http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3261.

  24. Template to send to senators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a boilerplate letter that I could distribute to friends to e-mail to their senators and Representatives? I emailed one of my senators, Richard Blumenthal, and this is the response I got:

            Thank you for your thoughtful message regarding S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property (“PROTECT IP”) Act of 2011. I appreciate hearing from you.

              As you may know, I am a cosponsor of this bipartisan proposal to crack down on websites that sell counterfeit goods and illegally stream media content. The proposal includes a private right of action that would allow rights holders to enforce directly violations of their intellectual property rights — a key enforcement provision I championed.

              The internet has revolutionized the way we do business, but our laws must keep up with the evolution of online commerce. American intellectual property is an engine of job creation and economic growth, and intellectual property infringement hurts our businesses and consumers, and costs American jobs.

              In supporting this legislation, I have worked to strike a careful balance between protecting the freedoms afforded by the internet and protecting the legitimate commercial, economic, and safety considerations associated with stemming counterfeiting and other intellectual property infringement. Counterfeiters and thieves cannot be allowed to disobey copyright laws by distributing and selling copyrighted American works on the internet.

              Thank you again for contacting me. I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I continue to fight for the protection of intellectual property rights through my advocacy for the Protect IP Act and as I review other legislation that would enforce intellectual property laws. Please feel free to contact me with any other questions or concerns that you may have.

    Sincerely,

    Richard Blumenthal
    United States Senate