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Technical Glitch Lets Reporters Eavesdrop On Obama, Sarkozy

Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that a technical glitch allowed reporters to listen in on a private conversation between French President Nicolas Sarkozy and US President Barack Obama, made in a backroom meeting at the G20 summit, treating listeners to a rare insight into the importance of personal relationships in international politics. 'I can't stand him any more,' said Mr. Sarkozy of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 'He's a liar.' Mr. Obama replied: 'You're sick of him. I have to deal with him every day!' According to Reuters, the two presidents were apparently 'unaware that the microphones in their meeting room had been switched on, enabling reporters in a separate location to listen in to a simultaneous translation.' The reporters made 'a group decision... not to report the conversation as it was considered private and off-the-record,' but Arrets Sur Images, a French website that covers current affairs, got wind of the exchange and broke the story."

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  1. 2 people agreeing is news? by Servaas · · Score: 4, Informative

    2 people agree the another is an ass. What is the news?

    1. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It suggests that even politicians loath politicians and find their company insufferable.

    2. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by Blymie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm Canadian too, and I have no idea what you mean when you say "We really hate the French".

      Perhaps you shouldn't speak for a whole nation, when you're merely speaking for yourself, or your peer group?

      I grew up in Southern Ontario, in a small community without a single Quebecer or French person around for hundreds of miles. I now live in Quebec, and (clearly) have no problem with "the french". I moved here because I live in the Capital region, and I can get an acre of land, 20 minutes from downtown Ottawa, surrounded by farmland, for 1/2 the price of a home on the Ontario side!

      I do have issues with *some* french people, but I also have issues with *some* people from a broad spectrum of society.

      I think what you really hate are 1) mostly quebec politicians and 2) dumbasses that happen to be french.

      Suck it up buddy. #1 and #2 exist in every culture group, and language group, and genetic group, worldwide. ;)

         

    3. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell I am French Canadian and even *I* hate French Canadians... which is why I live in Costa Rica.

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    4. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It suggests that even politicians loath politicians and find their company insufferable.

      When Country B is carved from the heart of Country A, and Country B is admitted to the UN, but Country A cannot because they can't learn to be civil with being deprived of their homes, property and liberty. Further, Country B builds settlements in the remaining occupied lands of Country A, despite it being viewed universally as an illegal act. So after a lot of tit for tat and really never getting anywhere with peace talks, Country A decides to press its case for recognition in the same forum which recognises Country B. Country B and its bigger mate, Country C, both get all excited and claim this would not be a good thing and not in the interests of peace talks (which haven't yielded anything in about 30 years.) Country A gets recognised by UNESCO, overwhelmingly and Country B is apoplectic, while its mate, Country C, claims this was a grave error and withdraws its tuppence of support for UNESCO. Country B strikes back by authorising even more settlements in occupied territories claimed by Country A.

      Honestly. Country B and its leader would normally be shunned and subject to many and various sanctions sponsored by Country C, but only if it were any other country in the world, or so it seems. The situation is preposterous and the logic is broken. Sarkozy identified the elephant in the room. Even Obama recognised how problematic it can be. When will there be a candid talke and recognition that Israel is more often the villain and things should be set right?

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    5. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by theVarangian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yea, trying to portray Israel as a villain only works in a vacumn....

      People B left their land for a variety of reasons during Roman times. People A (The ones who stayed behind and are provably very close genetic relatives of People B) continued living there under various foreign rulers for over a thousand years during which they abandoned the religion they shared with people B in favor of Christianity and later Islam. People B come back, after over a thousand years, decide they want 'their land' back, drive people A into concentration camps where they live in squalor and misery. Meanwhile people B live a good life financed by the tax dollars from their good friend country C who also provides them with high tech weapons free of charge.

      White-washing Israel works best in a right wing, christian conservative or jewish zionist delusion.

    6. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by Fri13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That same thing happened on 1942 between Hitler and Mannerheim... in that case, it was national radio worker luck that the recorder was on same cabin where they were talking.

      It is only recording where Hitler is speaking in privat. Not even Hitlers bodyguard recognized Hitler on it by first as the voice is calm and rational.
      http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-24880.html
      http://www.ww2f.com/wwii-general/10807-conversation-between-mannerheim-hitler.html

    7. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by Moryath · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sigh.

      "And this is why we can't have nice things."

      It's much, much more complicated than that. The "Palestinians" have had numerous opportunities for statehood from the early 1900's onwards. They've rejected peace option after peace option after peace option, beginning with several offerings from the British (who ruled the Manate of Palestine through 1947) and then launched an all-out war when the original UN partition plan was put into place.

      This was AFTER they were already given the nation of Transjordan, into which no Jews were allowed to emigrate.

      And of course, those who scream about "Palestinian refugees" ignore the fact that the stolen land intended to become the Nation of Palestine in 1948 was taken over, not by Israel, but by the nations of Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, Iraq, and Egypt. The "Palestinians" were made "refugees" ON THEIR OWN LAND as a cynical political ploy by the Arab League and the Pan-Arabist factions, nothing more. And they still fail to acknowledge the number of Jews - at least twice the number of so-called "Palestinian refugees" - in Arab states in the years 1948-1955 who were kicked out, their houses and property confiscated, and forced to move "somewhere" (e.g. Israel) by those same Pan-Arabist forces and governments.

      But you probably never did the slightest research into the subject. Because to you, it's all about "one side good, other side bad." The Jews have been kicked around and harassed by just about everyone for the past 2000 years. The "Palestinians" of the region have been abused by their so-called "brethren" the Arab Muslims, turned into a group of impoverished and locked-up people in one of the worst and most inhumane cynical political ploys I've ever seen. Meanwhile, the terrorist forces running the "refugee" region have attacked everyone they could find - tried to assassinate the leaders of Transjordan/Jordan numerous times, attacked the Egyptian government so often that the Egyptians said "fuck this" and put up a wall between themselves and Gaza a long time before the Israelis finally caught on to the wisdom of the idea, and of course waging a bloody-ass civil war in the south of Lebanon for the past two decades.

      For my money? The Arabs - specifically, the Pan-Arabists, the fundamentalist Arab governments especially - are a bunch of fucking assholes. The leaders of the "Palestinian" movement? Likewise. The leaders of Israel? Probably assholes too, but they are tasked with an incredibly hard position, trying to keep a nation of a few million people safe from a group of hundreds of millions of assholes in nations like Iran who are told at Mosque once a week that the Jews will be "destroyed" in the apocalypse and that the Jews aren't even human. So I can cut them a little slack there.

      Oh, and the people stuck in the middle - the few civilians in the "Palestinian territories", the civilians in Israel? Sucks to be them, on both sides.

    8. Re:2 people agreeing is news? by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Similar culture"? Just because some of the people in the neighboring countries are of arabian descent too?
      Syria has additionally to the Arabs Kurds, Cherkessians and Armenians, the president of Syria is neither muslim nor christian (like a percentage of the Palestinians), but Nusairian. Lebanon is half christian, half muslim, and in Lebanon, first several christian militias killed between 1000 and 1500 people in Karantina and then the Kata'ib (drusian militia) with the help from the israeli military police killed between 500 and 3000 palestinians in the both camps Sabra and Shatila. Jordan, where most palestinian refugees live, had several conflicts with Israel about water resources, and wishes nothing more than to get finally rid of the state-within-state refugee camps on its territory. 50% of Jordan's population are descendants from palestinian refugees, with most of them living in the both towns Amman and Zarqa (where more than 90% of the population are palestinian), and in the 10 remaining refugee camps. Basicly this means that native Jordanians and Palestinians never mixed - the native Jordanians own the land, and the Palestinians live in the towns and refugee camps.
      The only place where palestinians are land owners and are also the majority are - tada! - the West Bank and Transjordan. And this is the territory Israel cuts through with its settlements, some of them legal (on "state owned" land), some of them illegal, but still protected by the Israelian army.

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  2. Well.... by theVarangian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fox News will have a fair and balanced field day with this.

    1. Re:Well.... by Quila · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Other news organizations conspire to hide what happened, Fox will delight in showing what happened.

      Bias all around. Did you expect anything else?

    2. Re:Well.... by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh PLEASE. There is bias that get into a story,even through the best efforts to keep it out, then there is fox news. Upper management literally tells it's people what to say. The espouse to the public that they are a 'News' site, but in court that claim that's onl;ty gfor an hour ro to.

      There is a reason there is no Fox News in Canada.

      FOX news isn't biased, it's a shill.

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  3. Just like the movie Naked Gun with Leslie Nieson by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the movie, he was on a panel of some press conference and after he spoke, he forgot to take off his wireless microphone and headed off the mensroom whereby the sounds of his visit were broadcast over the PA system.

    The scene

    It's safe for work.

  4. Re:Glitch? by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Journalism becomes espionage when leaders expect privacy and technology is applied to eavesdrop.

    Journalism becomes nothing but PR when journalists don't report a story because they overheard something that 'was considered private and off-the-record'.

  5. Re:Glitch? by ZeroSumHappiness · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article isn't very clearly written, but it's Sarkozy accusing Netanyahu of being a liar. Edited for clarity:

    Mr. Sarkozy: 'I can't stand him any more. He's a liar.'

    Mr. Obama replied: 'You're sick of him. I have to deal with him every day!'

  6. Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    President Obama should be fine with it, he does support warrantless wiretapping, that's essentially what heppend here.

  7. Re:Israel is running out of allies... by fusiongyro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's possible to dislike their PM without wanting them destroyed. I disliked Bush, but it didn't make me unamerican.

    Moreover, this is two politicians talking. Why do we assume that they were being honest with each other?

  8. Re:Glitch? by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Journalism becomes nothing but PR when journalists don't report a story because they overheard something that 'was considered private and off-the-record'.

    Disagree strongly, and I have worked as a journalist. A journalist is not a spy. Also, a journalist has a duty to determine what is news and what is simply information that has not been publicly disclosed. I'm sure there are lots of people who would like to know where Nancy Pelosi is on her menstrual cycle every time she makes a speech of votes in Congress, but this type of information simply isn't "fit to print," as the New York Times motto goes.

    And speaking of the Times, here is a passage from that paper's journalistic ethics policy:

    27. Staff members and others on assignment for us must obey the law in the gathering of news. They may not break into buildings, homes, apartments or offices. They may not purloin data, documents or other property, including such electronic property as databases and e-mail or voice-mail messages. They may not tap telephones, invade computer files or otherwise eavesdrop electronically on news sources. In the case of government orders or court directives to disclose a confidential source, journalists will consult with the newsroom management and the legal department on the application of this paragraph.

    (emphasis mine)

    Trust me, you are far better off when responsible journalists develop sources in a fair, honest, professional manner, rather than resorting to tabloid tactics. A journalist who blasts the slightest gaffe in 72-point headlines will quickly cease to hear anything at all.

    It's like the beat cop who hauls everybody down to the precinct for the slightest infraction, versus the one who lets folks slide for the occasional open container or vandalism charge. Of the two, the one with the "zero tolerance policy" is going to have a much tougher time doing his job when something really important comes along.

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  9. Re:Glitch? by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Reporters were told not to turn their headsets on until the show began. (Probably a bit silly in that Sarkosky/Obama should have turned their microphones off until they wished to be heard). As the conversation was meant to be private it would have been a serious violation (as in crime under french law) for anyone in attendance that was a French journalist to report on the content of what they illicitly overheard. So a tabloid that wasn't in attendence caught wind of the conversation and reported it. I'd expect that criminal charges will be leveled against whoever peeped.

    But the point here is that under French law (privacy of conversation) they COULDN'T report on what they overheard (or they could be arrested) because they broke the conference rule by turning on their headsets early.

    That's the little bit you won't hear in any of the US reporting.

  10. Re:more leaks is good by firewrought · · Score: 4, Interesting

    None of what these people do should be secret. They shouldn't be allowed anywhere without a number of cameras and microphones on them always and everything should always be transmitted out to the public.

    It becomes impossible to have effective negotiations if each side must worry about how every sentence will sound to their constituencies. Americans would have flipped had they known that Kennedy agreed to remove some obsolete missile installations in Italy and Turkey to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis, yet by doing so he avoided the very real possibility of nuclear holocaust. Just a thought...

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  11. Re:Question by Caerdwyn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, Obama does not speak to him every day.

    Do you know what "hyperbole" is? Do you know that "deal with" is not equivalent to "speak with"? Do you know that the Congress is the primary internal-facing Federal body in the US? Do you know that the President is the primary external-facing power in the US? Do you realize that foreign policy IS an affair of the US? Do you believe everything you read in a Slashdot summary, or for that matter, on the Internet at all?

    I don't think you really understand how the presidency operates at all. Or journalists, or politics, or...

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  12. Re:Glitch? by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "What someone doesn't want you to publish is journalism; all else is publicity. "

    I find that statement to be pretty naïve. Good journalism is synonymous with good judgment.

    In this case, even assuming that Obama's and Sarkozy's statements were genuine, they obviously seemed to be personal opinions and had little relevance to actual foreign policy. What if Obama was simply lying about his opinion of Netanyahu to amuse and placate Sarkozy? What's the public benefit to reporting such pleasantries?

    But more importantly, how can you be so sure what the administration "doesn't want you to publish"? What if the statement was meant to be overheard, and even leaked, as a red herring to put pressure on Netanyahu during some upcoming talk? Then the journalist is simply being duped into acting as an indirect mouthpiece of the administration.

    Good journalists don't just print stuff because they think they overheard it. That's why they're called "journalists" and not "tattle-tales."

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  13. Re:Israel is running out of allies... by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Jewish is not an ethnicity. Semitic is the ethnicity Jews derive from. Arabs are also Semitic. I'm not even sure how you went off on this tangent, as you appear to be arguing that Jewish is a separate ethnicity, its not, it's a religion not ethnic origin. Jews and Arabs are from the same ethnic group, the only real difference between the groups is the religion, which has nothing to do with genetic ethnicity. Palestinians aren't ethnically Jewish because Jewish isn't an ethnicity.

    That would be like saying anglo-saxons are ethnically Christian. It's nonsense. You appear to need to study what ethnicity is and how ethnic groups are divided. Let me give you a hint, it's not dictated by the religion they choose.

  14. are you for real? by 1800maxim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? The standing ovation of Congress was bad treatment? The Congress applauds Netanyahu more than its own president.

    While you're at it, you conveniently leave out Joe Biden's visit to Israel and what a slap in the face to the US that was!

    You're either extremely ignorant, or extremely biased. The end result is the same.

    The big question is, why is there a dislike of Netanyahu? Nothing happens without reason.