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Robot Controls Person's Arm To Manipulate Objects

An anonymous reader writes "French researchers have demonstrated a robot that controls its own arm as well as a person's arm to manipulate objects in a collaborative manner, IEEE reports. Electrodes attached to the person's arm allow the robot to make the elbow and hand move to perform tasks. The tasks are currently simple (dropping a ball through a hoop, as shown in one of their videos), but the researchers say more complex ones are possible. They also say the approach has therapeutic benefits and their goal is to 'develop robotic technologies that can help people suffering from paralysis and other disabilities to regain some of their motor skills.'"

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  1. I, for one, welcome... by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...nah, too easy.

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    1. Re:I, for one, welcome... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Zombie robot soldiers!

      They had these in Sucker Punch!

    2. Re:I, for one, welcome... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.

    3. Re:I, for one, welcome... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Hey! I didn't mean to type that! How-- aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

  2. In Soviet Russia... by itchythebear · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    ... also too easy?

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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, since the article is about robots controlling humans, the joke would have to be "In Soviet Russia, you control robots!"

      And yes that now is a joke.

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    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Roachie · · Score: 1

      Nyet! In Soviet Russia robot MANIPULATE you!

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  3. excellent idea by roman_mir · · Score: 2

    there is one repetitive motion that I must do with my hand once in a while that I may wish was done without my direct participation. On the other hand... what if the software fails and the hand goes all the way over my head?

    What? What? I hate doing all this calligraphy training.

  4. In Soviet... by subanark · · Score: 1

    In Soviet France robot controls you. In corporate America you control robot!!

    1. Re:In Soviet... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In Soviet France robot controls you. In corporate America you control robot!!

      Silly you!

      In Soviet Russia government controls YOU!

      In Corporate America corporations control GOVERNMENT

      In Socialist France the people control GOVERNMENT

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    2. Re:In Soviet... by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Then why do the French riot every other week?

    3. Re:In Soviet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fun?

    4. Re:In Soviet... by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Then why do the French riot every other week?

      To show their anger with their government. Seems to work, too. Their government often listens.

      In France the government fears, or at least respects, the people.

      Can't quite say that about the good ol' USA, can you?

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    5. Re:In Soviet... by Afell001 · · Score: 3

      In France the government fears, or at least respects, the people.

      Considering what happened during the French Revolution, the current Powers-That-Be has good reason to fear the French people. They stormed the Bastille once, and celebrate it every year just to remind the government that they aren't afraid to do it again.

      That, and the French people weren't afraid to invent and use the guillotine.

    6. Re:In Soviet... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Then why do the French riot every other week?

      More to the point, why don't Americans?

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  5. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    develop robotic technologies that can help people suffering from paralysis and other disabilities to regain some of their motor skills.

    They're working on the technology for cyborgs?

    1. Re:So... by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      The Borg have to start somewhere...

    2. Re:So... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      damn you said it before i could.

      we are the Borg you will be assimilated resistance is futile

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  6. Article is worse than summary by Baloroth · · Score: 1

    When this robot needs a hand, it borrows yours.

    Oh yeah, that can't possibly go wrong. Nope, can't think how that might be a mistake.

    Still, if the idea of a robot commandeering your limbs sounds a bit, uh, scary, you're not alone. The audience at the IEEE International Conference on Intelligent Robots and Systems (IROS), where the researchers presented their results in September, let out a nervous gasp upon seeing the video of the experiment:

    Yeah, I think a nervous gasp might be in order here.

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    1. Re:Article is worse than summary by Hentes · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's nothing to be nervous about, the system has a safety switch. Whenever you feel that the robot might have gone out of control, you just put your hand on the switch and press...oh, wait.

  7. Cool, until.. by Moheeheeko · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... the robot cops an attitude

    "Query: Why are you assaulting yourself?"

    1. Re:Cool, until.. by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      Forget the _why_, does it feel any different than sitting on your hand before 'assaulting' yourself?

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  8. The perfect legal defense ... by fsckmnky · · Score: 5, Funny

    "So Mr. Smith, and I remind you that you are under oath, you claim the reason you groped 'the lady in red' sitting next to you on the airplane, is that your 'ARM Controller' chip malfunctioned ?"

    1. Re:The perfect legal defense ... by teslafreak · · Score: 1

      I didn't want to punch them, but the arm insisted it had to be done.

  9. Ob Post by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our new Robotron Arm masters.

    Back in the day, my younger brother was a serious contender for Most Obsessed With Playing Robotron: 2084. He suffered a repetitive stress injury from playing it he called "Robotron Arm"

    Not the same thing, I know. But did hear bout this on the BBC and thought it was pretty amazing. It's only a matter of time before we turn such a gift into weapons. BattleTech here we come!

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  10. One step closer... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    ...to the "remote-controlled corpses" from GITS.

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  11. The puppet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    becomes the puppeteer.

    1. Re:The puppet... by davewoods · · Score: 1

      I could not tell... Did you put on your sunglasses and walk away while listening to Teenage Wasteland?

  12. Pr0n opportunities by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Electrodes attached to the person's arm allow the robot to make the elbow and hand move to perform tasks.

    Pr0n opportunities for cam-girls, I think.

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    1. Re:Pr0n opportunities by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Electrodes attached to the person's arm allow the robot to make the elbow and hand move to perform tasks.

      Pr0n opportunities for cam-girls, I think.

      They call that move a "Reverse Waldo". It'll cost you.

    2. Re:Pr0n opportunities by itchythebear · · Score: 1

      command: Reach into back pocket of jeans
      command: Open wallet and take out credit card
      command: Enter credit card info to pay for premium account

      Either that or it will be implemented in ChatRoulette. *shudders*

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    3. Re:Pr0n opportunities by rtaylor · · Score: 1

      Pretty brave using a term that even the Urban Dictionary doesn't know about.

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    4. Re:Pr0n opportunities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A waldo is when a human remotely controls a robot. The term is pretty transparent... it just refers to technology which doesn't exist yet.

  13. Maybe I missed the part.... by Roskolnikov · · Score: 2

    This appears to require a person with an arm that works; unless I misunderstand the electrodes are stimulating a developed (i.e. non-atrophied) arm with working nervous system. I would be curious to see this trick work on a limb that was truly disabled.....

    very cool none the less.

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    1. Re:Maybe I missed the part.... by blair1q · · Score: 2

      To disable an arm, you cut the nerves somewhere before they get to the arm. Like in the spine.

      The arm will work if you bypass the cut.

      Atrophy is just a decrease in mass of the parts. A course of therapy and exercise with this thing, and it would build back up again.

  14. Overlords? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    Today they control your arm, tomorrow - your arse.

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  15. Re:Yeah, so? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem with that first design is that really just turned your muscles "on or off". No matter how slight the movement. Apparently it was extremely tiring to use even briefly.

    This appears to have a subtle control that would allow a paraplegic to use a robo-leg controller all day without tiring any more than you or I.

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  16. I can see by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1
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  17. Can this robot do my workout for me? by Michael_gr · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it's possible to get this system to do your workout for you. Like, you program it to do a hundred bench presses and then lift weights for an hour. All the while you could, I dunno, watch TV on LCD goggles or something. Or, even better - suppose you could get this system to work on your arm muscles while you play video games using one of those brain-control interfaces. I would love to have a system like this.

    1. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      You know your muscles are still going to hurt just as much as if you were making them move by yourself, right? Unless you sever the nerve connections, which given your attitude, I can't entirely rule out.

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    2. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but that doesn't mean you won't feel just as strained and exhausted.

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    3. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      You know your muscles are still going to hurt just as much as if you were making them move by yourself, right? Unless you sever the nerve connections, which given your attitude, I can't entirely rule out.

      With the right feedback sensors in place, the system could perform the exercises with greater precision/effectiveness than you could do while distracted (say, watching TV) so it could prove to be a benefit to those that want to exercise but would prefer not to have to concern themselves with the intricate details of what the most effective routine is.

    4. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      you are unable to watch tv and lift weights at the same time?

    5. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      There is a short story that does actually discus that particular use of technology.

      Here is the chapter dealing with the Vertebrane system and it's uses.

      http://marshallbrain.com/manna6.htm

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    6. Re:Can this robot do my workout for me? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't the muscle ache. That kind of feels good in a way.

      The issue is the utter sheer fucking tedium of lifting your arm, dropping it again, lifting it, dropping it, lifting it, droppi.. oh for fucks sake, can I go and do something interesting instead please?

  18. All jokes aside... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    All jokes aside this is fantastic news.

    Now when a robot loses an arm in an automobile accident they'll be able to replace it with a human arm.

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  19. Brain the size of a planet... by jamiesan · · Score: 1

    ... and all they want me to do is control their arms.

  20. Dr Strangelove? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    Dr. Strangelove is strangely excited about this tecnhology.

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  21. Get the fuck up NOW! by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    I can see this being EXTREMELY useful for emergency situations that involve inattention or sleep. Say you're on a shuttle to Mars, sleeping away. Suddenly, there's a hull breach! You have seconds to get into your pressure suit before you pass out and die. You might burn half your time just on hearing the alarm, waking up, processing what's going on, and fumbling towards the suit locker.

    If you're wearing your Robo Attachments, it can detect the alarm, and immediately start moving you towards the suit locker until you're able to take over manual control. And even when you do, it still might be able to guide you through the process, given your hazy state of mind.

    Replace "shuttle to Mars" with "submarine" and you get the same jist.

    Not to mention a surgeon wearing one of these-- if they sneeze or slip, the robot can freeze their arm to prevent an accidental nick of the artery.

  22. Re:Yeah, so? by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

    Just wait until they get to the point where they can use a dead cop named Murphy to provide some of the decision-making capabilities for the robot.

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  23. Oblig Zac and Miri - by potscott · · Score: 1

    Sweet - Robot Dutch rudder!

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  24. This is great news by itchythebear · · Score: 2

    This is great news for any paraplegic robots.

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  25. Yin and Yang by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Someday soon we may not have any quadras and paras nor amputees which will be wonderful. But when it becomes commonplace - as silly and trivial as it sounds - competitve sports at nearly every level may become impossible as the augments become faster, stronger, and more accurate than the naturals.

    1. Re:Yin and Yang by cygnwolf · · Score: 1

      A rather timely comment. Escape pod just ran a short story dealing with this very concept.... http://escapepod.org/2011/11/10/ep318-the-prize-beyond-gold/

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  26. hope for the future by tverbeek · · Score: 2

    Someday this research will be invaluable in restoring mobility to robots that have suffered serious damage or manufacturing defect, enabling their broken limbs to be replaced by (admittedly inferior) limbs harvested from humans.

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  27. Stranger tonight by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like a lonely nerd's dream come true! :o)

  28. 100 Years from Now; by Dipsomaniac · · Score: 1

    The robot revolution will be remembered as starting with "Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!"

  29. A helping hand by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    Hopefully won't be used like in this episode of Big Bang Theory! :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb627xDlqBs

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  30. 'The Electroslave Device' by sesshomaru · · Score: 1

    Scientist: "Kroll, attach the electro-slave device to this fool!"

    Victim: "No, no, anything but that!"

    Kroll: "Yes, Master!"

    Scientist: "Now, dance for me my puppet! Dance!"

    Victim dances....

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  31. Remote Surgey? by Lvdata · · Score: 1

    It would also seem like you could have a Dr working in an VR setup relaying his arm/hand control data to a remote human robot. That would allow for a neurosurgeon in NY to have a untrained remote "hand droid" in Antarctica, orbit or the moon do the surgery. It keeps the number of human onsite low.