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The Convoluted Life Cycle of a News Story
ideonexus writes "Once upon a time, newspapers were considered the "first draft of history." Today, rather than the daily episodic updates of major news stories developing a narrative over time, we have a perpetual stream of factoids from which a story emerges. Lauren Rabaino of mediabistro details this new lifecycle of a newspaper story, from tweets to blog posts to an eventual print edition, and asks What are the best standards of practice? Should news sources provide a single web address with a stream of updates, post new blog entries that link to older ones, or should they adopt a Wiki approach to the news — revising a single story with a history of revisions available behind the scenes?"
Here in the UK all the news comes from hacking cell phone voicemail systems.
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There should be different sites in different formats. Each has advantages and disadvantages. Different purposes could require different formats.
I couldn't figure out a way to fit it into the summary, but I was bothered by the way Reuters recently handled their story claiming George Soros was funding Occupy Wall Street (OWS), first running a headline claiming a connection but with a story that offered very spurious evidence of monetary support for the movement, and then taking that story down under heavy criticism from other news sources and reposting the exact same story with a headline absolving Soros of any connection to OWS with a new link, while simultaneously killing the link to the old story without any explanation.
It was extremely problematic for people debating online, as my conservative friends suddenly had their link go dead, while my liberal friends suddenly had the same story but with a headline supporting their position. It was the same exact story, but since nobody RTFAs, the headline was the most important piece of evidence in the debate.
I post this example, not to dredge up some off-topic flamewar about OWS, but because it seems like a pretty clear cut case of how we don't want news agencies operating. I read a comment on Slashdot recently that the reason we aren't allowed to modify our comments is to prevent users from editing out things in order to accuse others of strawman attacks. If you screw up a fact, you post a correction. It seems News Organizations owe us the same courtesy.
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How about actually reporting the truth instead of slanting it to the political leaning of your respective audience?
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I thought it was all about complimentary copy advertorials? They actually still have reporters?
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Depending on the circumstances, the press release might get written by a business trying to push their next product release or dis their competitor's new product, or it might get written by a government agency trying to increase its clout within the government or as part of a longer-running PR campaign.
Then the press release is sent to the press, some of whom ignore it, some of whom mindlessly print it, and some of whom decide it's a good enough story for their market so they talk about it on radio or TV or give it print space.
Then other commenters start giving it coverage, whether that's talk radio ranting about how bad or good it is or somebody submitting it to Slashdot or whatever.
Then the tweets and the blogosphere get it. That doesn't mean they don't start stories on their own, but the people with interests in controlling the press or touting their products don't leave it to chance. (That's not even counting the ones where the tweets and blogosphere get started by astroturf, which is also pretty common today as an alternative business model to astroturfing the AP, Washington Post, or EE Times.)
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Clearly, we need to crowdsource some disruptive innovation into the news media market. While we do have some convergence of traditional and social media, we also see the vertical and horizontal integration of the printed media becoming more apparent. The alignment of the interests of these groups will need to be achieved in order to leverage and proactively facilitate the advent of media in the New Economy. This goes beyond the reasonable return on investment expected by the established news media. A convergence is needed between the collaboration of brick-and-mortar media and the rising e-media revolution.
Made me think of this xkcd http://www.xkcd.com/978/
They should use a public git repository. They should also release everything under a dual Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License/GFDL. They can then support themselves by giving speeches and selling t-shirts.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
How much information do we really need? How important is it that we get it instantaneously? I guess I would like to be informed of a natural disaster quickly, but do I really need to be informed two seconds after Obama farts?
I've heard that those crazy neckbeards over in comp-sci solved the problem of how to manage, timestamp, and attribute revisions to a complex file or group of files that can be expected to be revised over time according to new information, requirements, or refinements. And solved it bloody decades ago. Revision control, people, it isn't just for sourcecode.
Combine that with some of the newer and more www/browser friendly automated merge-and-pretty-print stuff, it should be architecturally trivial to provide a stable URL for a story, a full revision history(including times and who made the revisions), along with related stories, the ability to track revision activity of specific comitters, etc, etc.
I enjoy a good bit of handwaving about how to "best" express complex structures within the limitations of obsolete formats as much as the next guy, and quite possibly more; but it just seems so pointless in this case: There isn't any need to cram the entire sausage-factory of news production into a few square inches of ink-on-dead-tree, so lots of nuanced bloviation on how to do that is just a lot of fluff over a toy problem(nothing wrong with toy problems, as a hobby; but they are a distraction if you are supposed to actually be working...)
If the process is complex, involves multiple inputs over time, from multiple people, then it is indeed impossible to cram without some loss of fidelity into a single static text lump. We could either wring our hands over what transform algorithm is most 'true', or we could just stop fucking around and use a format actually designed to capture something structured that way. This doesn't seem like a difficult decision.
How will we handle news when the human species has spread across the universe on 3D printed warp drive starships?
This is the same way in which news has always developed. The difference now is that all the rumors, facts, leads, and dead ends that a good reporter sifted through and tracked down is much more public. Now we get to see the making of the sausage because so many people are willing to post random noise and data, but most of us still want trusted reporters to help us analyze and make sense of a story. Every individual needs to pick their level of comfort and trust in their sources -- some will continue to trust the traditional institutions of journalism, and some will believe that 'Anonymous Coward' is a trustworthy and citable source.
Same signal, more noise, and less ability of the average American to distinguish between the two.
update: Homeless man was not a veteran.
update 2: Unconfirmed whether man was homeless or not.
update 3: Actually the dog bit the man, not the other way around.
update 4: The victim was a 9-year old boy, and the dog was a pit bull mix. Boy lived down the street.
update 5: Owner of the pit bull failed to register dog as dangerous breed with authorities.
update 6: The dog was a fox terrier, no special registration was required.
update 7: Bite by dog not confirmed, but there was a lot of loud barking.
I seem to recall another civilization where news stories were subject to constant, behind-the-scenes revisions. I read about it in a book. One must always take care to interpret the past correctly, through the darkly-tinted lenses of our current social and political mindset. After all, it would simply be unsettling if there were anything at all in our history that happened to be politically insensitive or inconvenient for our current religious, economic, or secular leadership. Simply revising or "reinterpreting" key facts and events go a long way towards removing all of that troubling cognitive dissonance; such dissonance could cause people to question the way things are right now. Sadly, I can't really remember any more details about this civilization, because my e-books retailer erased every copy of it.
News via Wiki? I don't think so.
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What do they call the part of the news story where the original, unfounded claim, appears on Slashdot 3 months after the internet has declared it dead an buried?
I think a lot of news outlets do themselves a disservice in their effort to push the latest news out the door by throwing together a couple sentences (or worse, tweets) and calling it a "story".
At least when I read a news article, I'm looking for context (what's the backstory?), significance (what's the important new development?) and perspective (what do other people think?) There's a rush sometimes to gravitate to significance, minimize context, and forget about perspective altogether. I think that leads to a lot of our news-driven culture where everything seems to be over-quoted and hyper-republished without a healthy dose of skepticism.
I generally support keeping the story "live", up to a point. I think it's wrong to go back and edit a story that's more than 24 hours old, and while it's best if new developments are integrated into the main body, there needs to be a "changes to this story" log. And preferably not at the beginning. Hard to count the number of times I've seen a story on some blog start with a half-dozen lines like "UPDATE 3: Joe has contacted MGIS, they deny that they didn't release the specs on the TSR-5100 to the FCC". (Again, context is important).
Here in the US all our news comes from the UK from hacking cell phone voicemail systems.
The best practice of a newspaper is for a reporter who understands the events to find the actual facts about the events, and tell them in a story that is accurate to those facts in terms the readers understand.
No news is made this way. Which is why nobody treats the news as anything but propaganda, whether they like their propaganda or not. All we've got is infotainverts.
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This is just taking their typical lazy attitude to another level. Every article seems to be a contest of how much they can cut and paste from previous articles with as little new content as possible.
1) Event happens ...
2) Field reporter sends details to news office
3) News office embellishes the story to add sensationalism, interest, and other compelling things
4) Marketing office adds advertiser tie-ins and paid referral language
5) Story is published
6)
7) Fact Checking
...be the guy invited to the boldly-claimed energy revolution ...actually attend ...then don't report on it ...tell people to 'stay tuned' ...all while the conspiracy blogs suggest that you're probably being pressured from up on high to remain quiet ...even though reality is that you probably signed an NDA and were never allowed to report a damn thing anyway (positive or negative), thus making you a pawn in the "look at how legitimate we are - we even have an official from the press, the AP no less, present" game in the days leading up to the much-hyped test.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/10/28/030244/1-mw-cold-fusion-plant-supposedly-to-come-online
http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/thumbs/R_319825_1.jpg
http://twitter.com/#!/petersvensson/status/131019897244368896
http://twitter.com/#!/petersvensson/status/131754686226247681
http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2011/10/ecat-censorship-ap-news-report-killed.htmlz
( Not that I'm suggesting anybody pay particular attention to conspiracy blogs, just setting up the pieces... )
Best practice is to just go on vacation :)
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1) Pick unpopular issue.
2) Ignore all facts on the issue.
3) Tie unpopular issue to politician Murdoch does not like.
4) ????.
5) Profit.
6) Complain that the politician is now suing you for Libel.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Google tried this already with Google Wave. Nobody wanted it.
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Get posted on slashdot. Mistakes in the summary, mistakes in tfa, better links and links to the original article get discussed.
Get re-posted a year later with the same mistakes as above.
"Factoid" does not mean small piece of data.
Humanoid: having appearance of a human but not being one
Planetoid: non-stellar body which does not qualify as a planet
Android: robot in the configuration of a human, but not being human
Factoid: assertion that looks like a fact but is not so.
To me, the biggest problem is that most news outlets are "writing" news instead of "reporting" news. Today, it's all about spin and market share. OK, so this is certainly nothing new. Heck, the "Oh the humanity!" reporting at the Hindenburg disaster was probably nothing new at its time. Maybe I'm just Old School, but when I see a newscaster reading a story on the 11:00 news, I have an expectation that what he is saying is as factual as the reporters were able to determine, and that opinion and editorial are left out. Unfortunately, that's an expectation of the past.
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Here in Israel all our news comes from tapping media in the US who get it from the UK from hacking cell phone voicemail systems.
In the Middle East all the news comes from (mis)qouting news from Israel which comes from tapping media in the US who get it from the UK from hacking cell phone voicemail systems.
Voicemail systems in the UK are full of news items left by relatives in the Middle East.
sigo ergo sum
What's a factoid? Follow-up question: how does it differ from a fact?
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1) Who actually owns the media: (Hint: About 6 companies in the USA. Not too many more worldwide): http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership
2) Who sits on their board of both these media companies and other major corporations: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2870
Bottom line: Every major media outlet is directly controlled by the people who own most of the wealth in America. Messages are strictly controlled. Real journalism has been banished to the blogosphere and that too, though still relatively free, is slowly being undermined.
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Exactly. Why? There is no money in the truth. The truth is often boring. But there will always be a market for skewing, spinning, damage control, damage infliction, and politics. It has never been about what is relevant to us, because nothing really is until it makes the news. The news defines its own relevance, and unfortunately it is on the terms of the buyers of the news, which is extremely detrimental to "real" reporting - which by the way is also a fairly abstract concept defined by "real reporters" which are also mythical creatures. All those big name anchors just read papers handed to them. They happily adjust to the network they work for, i.e. the guys that give them their paychecks, which is a valid reason. Brian Williams is a great guy doing a great job and is great on Late Night, but the more he is likable the more effective he is at delivering the message that he is being paid to be delivered. He is great at it.
Why would I care about Iraq if I never watch the news? No chance of it crossing my mind. And it wouldn't even be in the news if not for the war none of us had a say in.
Everything is happening without us, because the news is never about us.