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South Korea Blocks Late-Night Online Gaming for Adolescents

PolygamousRanchKid writes "In its effort to curb game addiction among adolescents, South Korea pulled the plug this weekend on young gamers after midnight by blocking access to game websites, putting a hotly debated law into practice. The new system called the 'shutdown law,' also referred to as the 'Cinderella law,' blocks those under the age of 16 from accessing gaming websites after midnight and has fueled heated anger among younger gamers and avid game fans. Critics point out that many teenagers hold gaming accounts created with their parent's personal information, easily providing them with an alternative log-in option. 'You can say someone is an alcoholic if they drink more than three bottles (of liquor) a day, but you can't call them alcoholic because they drink after midnight. It's the same with gaming,' Lee Byung-chan, the lawyer who filed the petition on behalf of parents and a young gamer said. 'From the parents' point of view, it violates their right to educate their children,' Lee added. It is for the parents to decide what time they want to allow their children to play games or not, not for the government to exclude them from that process, the argument goes."

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  1. Another idea by jhoegl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about after school programs?
    Having people exert themselves mentally or physically actually does make them tired. Games dont do either.

    1. Re:Another idea by sahonen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't think playing games is mentally exerting, you're not playing the right games. Starcraft in particular is one of the most popular games in South Korea, and is frequently compared to chess.

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    2. Re:Another idea by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pot circles, keggers, and wild make-out parties are excellent after-school activities for healthy teenagers. Perhaps they could get school district funding.

    3. Re:Another idea by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And, like chess, it has no skills that transfer on later in life. The burnout age for professional starcraft players is under the age of 30. After school programs like chess at least promote some level of socialization (no matter how remote). Sports and other extracurricular activities promote health and socialization, among other things.

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    4. Re:Another idea by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pot circles, keggers, and wild make-out parties

      we used to have pot triangles; but for some reason, our weed kept disappearing!

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    5. Re:Another idea by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      'socialization' isn't the only thing to vie for in life. it's a component, not the be-all-end-all. also, many of these kids would be ridiculed if they tried out for athletic teams.

    6. Re:Another idea by englishknnigits · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, thinking clearly and strategically under pressure has no practical applications. Problem solving skills and thinking critically are also useless. Learning how to smash into someone, hit a round object with a stick, use steroids, and training to the point of causing life long injuries for a 0.001% chance of fame/fortune are much more useful skills. If you actually think about it, pretty much all activities we indulge in are ultimately useless aside from the enjoyment/fulfillment we get from them. Starcraft IS an extracurricular activity that many people get enjoyment/fulfillment from.

    7. Re:Another idea by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sports beyond football have been known to exist - baseball, tennis, swimming etc. If you want to expand beyond that, there's marching band, dance, ballet, cheerleading etc which require more finesse and coordination, but less brute strength. The same skills you list to be learned from SC can be learned on the speech or debate team at any school, and are more directly transferable to jobs. I don't doubt people enjoy SC (otherwise Blizzard may not have existed today) but I have reservations about how well being a top notch SC player translates in to being a successful person in meatspace. Many speech/debate students at the national level end up as successful law students based on the skills they learned through debate.

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    8. Re:Another idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      'socialization' isn't the only thing to vie for in life. it's a component, not the be-all-end-all. also, many of these kids would be ridiculed if they tried out for athletic teams.

      That attitude is self-defeating. Any kid can learn a sport well enough to compete if they try. With rare exceptions, high school sports really aren't all that competitive, and if your school does have a top tier team in one sport, you can just aim for another. It's healthy, it builds self-confidence, and it preps you for later in life when you meet new people who might want to do a pickup game of basketball or start a company softball team.

      Our culture likes to push this idea that if you're smart you must be an unathletic weakling. It's self-fulfilling. We tell kids that if they're smart, they'd just humiliate themselves by trying out for a team. They believe it, don't try out, and become weak for lack of exercise.

    9. Re:Another idea by pandronic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about everyone does what they enjoy in their time? Why does the state or you for that matter think you know what's best for someone else?

    10. Re:Another idea by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

      I agree, the children under discussion here should be allowed to sleep 16 hours a day consume nothing but candy and vodka if they want do. It's bullshit that anyone tries to tell them what to do. WHATEVAH! I DO WHAT AH WANT!

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    11. Re:Another idea by war4peace · · Score: 2

      So you're aiming for sports for the sake of sports? So if I like football but I'm not really good at it, I should consider switching to boxing because it's a niche in my school?
      Good job.
      Why not actually offer your kids alternatives without pushing them into one direction or other?

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    12. Re:Another idea by war4peace · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your comment raises another interesting question: when does someone cease to be a child? At 21, when they are allowed to drink alcohol? At 18, like in Europe? At 16, when they are allowed to drive a car? At 14, when they get their ID card (at least here in RO)? Or are these all, um, I don't know, standard ages that don't really reflect anything?
      I remember being more mature at 14 than most of my school mates; I was interested in the same things and activities people aged 20-24 were usually performing (except sex, that was still blurry to me, of course). I was rather lonely at school because of that. Even now, in my low 30s, I would rather spend time with people aged 40+ because they better fit my areas of interest and I have more productive discussions with them.
      So please... I was perfectly able to function as an adult at 16. On the other hand, some people can't properly function as adults even after reaching 40.
      It's down to the human being itself; so when a government applies a blanket law like this I call bullshit.
      "Everyone under age of 16 shouldn't play games after midnight" - probably holds true up to some extent. But actually forbidding it - that's dangerously close to dictatorship.

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    13. Re:Another idea by Gaygirlie · · Score: 2

      So, you're saying that the ability to quickly assess a situation and make strategic decisions isn't useful? Or the ability to mentally track multiple things simultaneously and still being able to function yourself, too? Because I can definitely see use for such skills on multiple areas. Games, especially RTS games, are plenty good for developing skills one needs later in life. You're just too short-sighted to realize that.

    14. Re:Another idea by tixxit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then don't try out for an athletic team. I used to skateboard after school (it helped we had a skatepark 100m from our school). You can also join houseleague teams or just do your own thing with a friend (eg. tennis). Even if you do try out, I usually find there is a big difference between perception and reality when you fear you may humiliate yourself. I had a friend decide to try out for the school's rugby team on a whim (he was a "weak" nerd type). Turns out he made a great hooker and had a great time on the team that year and made lots of new friends. Regardless, you don't have to be the best at something, or even good at it, to enjoy doing it. Look at all the hoards of bad golfers out there (including me) for proof.

  2. South Koreans are like Mogwais by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't get them wet.
    Don't let them game after midnight.

  3. No such thing as single player by Dyinobal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one am glad there is no such thing as a single player game you can get addicted too. *goes back to playing skyrim*

  4. Military Service by Sigvatr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Honestly, this will have an even greater effect than people are imagining at the moment. All males must service mandatory military service after high school, so they will probably have to wait a while longer to play games after midnight than people are thinking. This is all just a conspiracy by older people to make younger people not have any fun.

    1. Re:Military Service by sahonen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Put away the pitchfork, he was talking about the mandatory military service in South Korea, he was not expressing the opinion that military service should be mandatory.

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    2. Re:Military Service by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      In a small country like South Korea which has a hostile neighbor with 9 million trained soldiers I think most men would rather learn to fight

  5. And there was much rejoicing.... by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, professional Starcraft players from other countries finally have a chance!

    (based on the single "Barcraft" I've been to, iirc the semifinals were all South Koreans)

    1. Re:And there was much rejoicing.... by sahonen · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the recent MLG, there were 4 foreigners in the top 8... Two Americans, a Canadian and a Swede. The Swede made it to the final, only to be defeated by a 16-year-old South Korean kid. It was quite the tournament.

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  6. Games get a higher priority over studies then? by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2 scenarios
    A) I can do homework and studies after midnight, but no games, then I am going to game till midnight and study after that
    but if the restriction wasnt there,
    B) I would finish off studies first and game after that for whatever amount of time I want
    in A, I'm playing with a fresh mind, and studying with a tired mind
    In B its the reverse
    Why would the govt. want students to study with a tired mind?

  7. Right word, wrong context. by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The law is almost certainly because the Starcraft, Wow, CoD etc... players are showing up for school each day looking like they're dead on their feet. Then on top of that, a huge number of guys staying up to 4am on a school day watching "The Pro's Play".

    In the west we simply assume that the kids who do that will one day make an excellent addition to the staff at McDonalds... After all, if their parents are stupid enough to let their kids stay up late like that on school nights, then the kids are most likely equally worthless... so screw them. Korea on the other hand appears to think that these kids shouldn't be showing up looking dead to school each day, getting poor grades and taking away from the students who will be more motivated.

    Now... I on the other hand stayed up until 4am on school days programming and designing electronics which made me utterly worthless in school each day... if I deigned to present myself there at all. I was more interested in learning than attending school (though I did read all the text books cover to cover... hence learning). I'm not quite sure that becoming a better Starcraft player counts as educational though.

    1. Re:Right word, wrong context. by N1AK · · Score: 2

      In the west we simply assume that the kids who do that will one day make an excellent addition to the staff at McDonalds

      Nice strawman you've got there. Most people who object to these kinds of government intervention dislike them exactly because they don't want people making judgements about other's actions and intervening. I think a parent who allows there kids to stay up to the early hours on school days is probably making a mistake, it doesn't mean I want the government to try and control it. As to your own bizarre double standards as to what it is ok to avoid school for, has it completely escaped your notice that it probably wouldn't be shared by government regulators and would be controlled just like gaming if they had an easy way to do so?

  8. I'm not a medical expert by Cyberllama · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But it seems pretty obvious to me that we should start treating addictions, especially "gaming addiction" as a symptom instead of a disease. In fact, symptom may be too strong of a word--coping mechanism might be more suitable. I'm not going to tell you that kids can't stay up all night, neglect their schoolwork, and seriously harm their academic futures by way of "gaming addiction"--but we really ought to be a lot more concerned with figuring out why certain kids feel like they need that sort of escapism in their life rather than just slapping some sort of one-size fits all band-aid on the situation and then patting ourselves on our collective backs.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that "gaming is treatment" and therefore it shouldn't be restricted. To the contrary, I understand that it may be necessary to limit a child's access to video games in order to prevent them from entering a cycle of excessive gaming --> Failure --> depression --> more gaming ---> more failure --> etc. I'm just saying each child's situation and problems are completely different, and that no singular solution is going to fix every kid, and for some, something like this might do more harm than good. I have no doubt in my mind that for some kids, video games are the thin line between "coping on a day to day basis" and "suicidal tendencies". We may be seeing policies like this in China and Korea first, but many western countries aren't too far behind unless there's a sudden outbreak of common sense.

  9. Unintended consequences by fredrickleo · · Score: 2

    This may be an unintended consequence of a law that was recently passed in SK that prohibited late night classes from going past 10pm (roughly 1-2 years ago). In SK it was very common for teenage students to attend classes or study halls until around midnight before heading home. It seems possible that with that with the extra time they have available they now just go to the PC room (internet cafe) and game rather than going home (many Koreans game at PC rooms rather than at home).

    Interesting to see how this turns out, turning off accounts at 10 might be one solution but another "solution" that might come up is having police go into PC rooms after curfew to make sure nobody is violating curfew (the same way US MPs go into bars in SK looking for US service members drinking after their curfew).

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  10. Re:Sports and Academics by ChiRaven · · Score: 2

    Our culture likes to push this idea that if you're smart you must be an unathletic weakling. It's self-fulfilling. We tell kids that if they're smart, they'd just humiliate themselves by trying out for a team. They believe it, don't try out, and become weak for lack of exercise.

    Funny, we seem to have missed that message. My senior year in high school, the lead player on the state high school basketball championship team (kind of a state religion here in Indiana), who also won the Arthur Trester Award that year as the outstanding individual player was also a National Merit Scholarship Finalist. In fact, the coach coach of that team attributed their victory at least in part to the fact that his team had the highest GPA and highest standardized test scores of any team in the Final Four.

  11. What about the other *addiction*? by Nanosphere · · Score: 2

    The one noone ever talks about. Socializing. There are a ton of people out there that are obsessed with each other, and I mean to an unhealthy level. I know people who literally cannot stand being "single" for a day. They fall into depression when there is no drama circling their lives.

    Why don't people ever discuss *that* addiction?

    I'm an introvert but I've been quite happy with my life despite coming off as quiet and reserved compared to most people. I just do not find human culture as the pinnacle of my interest. Science and nature interest me just as much if not more than what we primates are doing with each other.

  12. Why not handle the actual problem? by Xanny · · Score: 2

    If South Korean teenagers are wasting their lives in virtual worlds, it means they have nothing to strive for in this one. Taking away the escape mechanism will not do anything but make them take more extremist escapist measures like getting into mind altering drugs. The problem that needs addressed, and it actually applies internationally to pretty much every nations children, is that the new generations are disenfranchised with our outdated methodologies regarding education. We treat it like a factory going through 12 or 13 different cycles, try putting the gifted on a different track, etc, but in the end, it repels them. It repelled me and most other people I know. I grew to seek education and knowledge because I realized they were important, public schooling drove me away from them because they do them so horribly wrong. That is why kids everywhere don't care. No one else does beyond this superficial level. They restrict the exploration and experimentation in the world of the youth and wonder why they become disenfranchised with it.