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Fed Gave Banks Eye-Popping Emergency Loans, Without Telling Congress

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt: "The Fed didn't tell anyone which banks were in trouble so deep they required a combined $1.2 trillion on Dec. 5, 2008, their single neediest day. Bankers didn't mention that they took tens of billions of dollars in emergency loans at the same time they were assuring investors their firms were healthy. And no one calculated until now that banks reaped an estimated $13 billion of income by taking advantage of the Fed's below-market rates, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its January issue."

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  1. Is that all? by benwiggy · · Score: 5, Funny

    $13 billion? Meh. Drop in the ocean. When we're all short of trillions, what's a few billion between friends?

  2. Re:Capitalism by BenJCarter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That isn't capitalism, it's Crony Capitalism. Our political class has become so corrupt they can't even see the problem.

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  3. World's dumbest loanshark by John3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jon Stewart covered this topic quite well the other day. So essentially we (US Treasury) loaned the banks money at 0.01% and then they loaned us (US Treasury) the money back at a higher rate. WTF?

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  4. Re:Capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's called Corporatism. The word "capitalism" doesn't belong anywhere in describing the concept.

  5. Arbitrage buys profit at the expense of trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real issue here isn't that the Fed made money available, but the disparity of interest rates between that at which the money was available to select parties and that which the open market would bear: that let the banks borrow massive quantities at virtually no interest, only to lend it back out at much higher interest rates. Pure arbitrage between the "emergency" funds' near-zero interest rate on a restricted market and the open market's willingness to pay interest. It's not even clear that the banks taking the loans were unhealthy--they may have just recognized the profitability of free temporary money that could be loaned out for more than it cost (arbitrage). The Fed basically just shoveled profit to the banks. This isn't to say that the Fed didn't get all its loaned money back -- that's irrelevant. They knew full well that they were creating an artificial market for a select group of players and in direct opposition to the preexisting open market, and that they were creating a textbook case of arbitrage that could only profit the participants with access to the fed funds.

    If someone doesn't go to jail for this, it'll be very hard not to listen to the anti-regulatory, anti-government fringe loonies. This is exactly what they've been squawking about for years. This is the kind of move that destroys the people's trust in the government's ability to regulate the markets: there's no way to see this except as blatant corruption and cronyism. That loss of trust, in the long run, is the most important fallout of this story. If this country is going to recover economically, there's going to have to be a sea change in ethics on both sides of the markets, both the money-making side and the regulatory side (and, yes, we still need both), and its going to have to be a credible change, not just a veneer, to restore confidence in the form of capitalism we claim we practice (and obviously no longer do).

  6. Re:Capitalism by divisionbyzero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That isn't capitalism, it's Crony Capitalism. Our political class has become so corrupt they can't even see the problem.

    This isn't communism. It's Maoism. It's Stalinism. Get it? Theoretical ideals go out the window when they hit reality. Any ideology that denies reality is doomed to failure, not to mention embittering its adherents or resulting in significant cognitive dissonance and rationalization.

  7. Re:Capitalism by istartedi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You sort of beat me to it, but I think the best word for what we have is simply cronyism. That gets you down to one -ism that describes it all. It applies mostly to corporations, but if you use the word cronymism it covers union corruption too. Anybody who opposes cronyism should be just as upset about the way bondholders were screwed in favor of unions during the GM bankruptcy as they are about the way banks are profiting.

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  8. Horray for the Fed! by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that the Fed is the only organization in America that would rather solve problems than score political points. From all accounds, they saved the economy from a liquidity crisis that would have shut down every business in America. I say, horray for the Fed!

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    1. Re:Horray for the Fed! by SomeKDEUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True. However, the principle for a central bank, when there is a liquidity crisis is: lend freely, but at punitive rates, wipe-out boards and shareholders. You can do that, because the boards have no choice, it is either that or they end broke.

      By now, the FED should _own_ Wall st. and what a good occasion this would have been to put an end to the casino mentality over there. And the banks knew that, and they were desperately afraid it would happen -- so pulled every string they could to prevent it.

      Unfortunately, they succeeded. The good news is, this crisis was caused because of their culture, so it will happen again, and perhaps this time, the legislator will get it right. What a waste, though.

  9. Huh? [Re:Is that all?] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    And before you bemoan corporate cronyism, that isn't the only problem. We give 100% of federal revenue to the old and the poor these days

    Huh?

    Do you mean social security? Let me remind you, that's not a hand-out; it's paid for. And it's not "100% of federal revenue".

    In any case, if you're looking at the US budget, Defense, not "the old and the poor," is the largest share. Here's the discretionary portion of the budget: http://oranges-world.com/the-federal-budget.html

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    1. Re:Huh? [Re:Is that all?] by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, that isn't the budget, just a pie chart representing broad expense categories.

      Welcome to how the US government does budgets. It worries about how to spend the money, not about how to get it.

      . For instance, if social security is bringing in 22% of the revenue and only expending 20%, then the 20% expense is not a problem. For the record, I do not know what social security brings in, but it supposedly "solvent" for another 20 years, so even if it is deficit spending, it isn't impacting what current tax dollars are being used for.

      There is no concept of "solvency" for Social Security. The bonds it supposedly holds are an accounting fiction (and wouldn't come close to covering its future obligations as you admit). It has no assets to speak of. And it is running a deficit now.

      Do you own your house outright, or do you have a mortgage. If you have a mortgage, then you, too, just like the SSA, are deficit spending, by using debt to offset current needs.

      Don't get me wrong, there are serious problems with revenues and expenditures of the federal government, but actual deficit spending is not the problem, but a symptom. As an example, the government collects fuel taxes that it then distributes. When the economy tanked in 2009, the government spent more on highway funding than it brought in. Was that a problem, no, because it came from previous reserves, or unspent fuel taxes, from prior years. In that case, a deficit is exactly what you would expect -- accumulated reserves are used to cover current costs or deficit spending.

      The problem is that the government does not have the political strength to accumulate excess reserves in good times, so instead, it uses funds from other restricted sources, such as the SSA and those organizations hold the debt of the government. Or they sell debt to other countries, like China. Personally, I would much rather the debt of the US to be owned by its citizens then the Chinese, but that's not my call.

      The SSA is solvent if its current revenues plus reserves cover its current expenditures, even if those reserves are held by the rest of the government. At that point where it does not, then it isn't solvent. Currently, it is solvent. At some point in the future, without an increase in revenues or a decrease in expenditures, it will become insolvent. The fact that they are running a deficit has nothing to do with it.

    2. Re:Huh? [Re:Is that all?] by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking as an actual economist, you are incorrect in too many ways to discuss on slashdot.

      Ahh, argument by assertion, that's a good one. You need to throw in a little more bluster if you want argument by intimidation, I fear. Argument from autority doesn't begin to work when you're anonymous (or, let's be honest, when you're an economist, since there'a always an equal and opposing economist on any topic).

      That assumes that you think that revenues are where they should be. It is quite possible that the problem is not on the spending side of the equation, but the revenue side.

      You seriously want to make that argument? Let's look at my deadbeat uncle, Sam.

      • He earns $23K/year
      • He spends $36K/year
      • He's $150k in debt, the schmuck.

      You seriously want to argue that Sam's spending isn't the problem right here and now because is a just world he'd earn more? Because he plans to earn more? Because you'd like him to earn more? Really? Because right here, right now, he needs to live within his means, and if one glorious day he does earn more, then wonderful, then he can buy more stuff that you like.

      Worse than that, would you loan this asshole money, if he were your brother-in-law? OK, maybe after. a 12-step program, but now?

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  10. Re:Basic macroeconomics by John3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    --soapbox--

    I'm speaking strictly from personal experience with my small business (hardware store employing 30 people) and what I hear from other small business owners both locally and in the hardware industry around the country, but the banks don't appear to be loaning anyone anything lately. Even with the Fed pumping money into the system they still aren't willing to loan it out to small businesses or individuals. Money is going to money, and that's doing nothing to help the businesses and individuals that are struggling.

    --end-soapbox--

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  11. I don't blame this on a free market at all by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fact this is exactly the OPPOSITE of the free market.

    The emergency loans were uncapitalistic government interference that denied market forces the chance to punish these boys with failure like they deserved.

    Especially since those same banks wouldn't have hesitated to foreclose on their own debtors.

  12. Re:Most do not know this but... by tyrus568 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like it was more than that. "Among the investigation's key findings is that the Fed unilaterally provided trillions of dollars in financial assistance to foreign banks and corporations from South Korea to Scotland, according to the GAO report. "No agency of the United States government should be allowed to bailout a foreign bank or corporation without the direct approval of Congress and the president," Sanders said."

  13. Re:Occupy The Fed! by tmosley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is the counterfeiter considered rich?

    They are thieves. Don't stigmatize them for being rich, stigmatize them for being thieves. Many people become rich, some fabulously so, by legitimate means, and in so doing do a great service to the rest of humanity. Don't conflate them with these "people".

  14. Re:Capitalism by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    30 years of corporatism has largely eliminated upward mobility.

    The easiest place to see this is not with income disparity.
    Instead, look at the disparity between the growth in corporate profits and the growth in employee wages.
    Companies have been making huge profits and *not* trickling it down to their workers in the form of higher salaries.

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  15. Re:Capitalism privatises the losses too by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Capitalism isn't capitalism and will never be.

    Capitalism inevitably results in a few monopolies destroying capitalism. It's not a self sustaining economic structure.

    So we prop it up here and regulate it there to try and keep it under control and from over-merging and consolidating like the blog consuming our entire economy.

    Then the libertarians claim that capitalism needs to be free of oversight so they scale back the watch guard every decade or so and the beast grows. Then it steps on something we all treasure and the public pushes back to shorten its leash. And so on and so forth.

    If we had capitalism (which we never really have) then we would probably have a handful of mega-corporation that looks quite a bit like the government with a bunch of little niche organizations operating in their shadows.

    Capitalism without corporations would just shift the corporatism to a plutocracy where a few wealthy individuals control large portions of the economy. So really corporatism is just a short sighted complaint about our current form of capitalism.

    Functioning economies only really function when you use the useful parts and try and mitigate the problems through splicing in hybrid solutions. If raw capitalism results in massive income inequality and hardship for the majority then you splice in a little social security communism.

    Capitalism was the economic foundation of a successful post-industrial economy. The age of the cheap widget. We were able in the 30s to temper most of its ills through infused socialism. Europe took it a step further in many respects.

    But we're now leaving the hay day of capitalism and entering the information age. I don't think capitalism will function in this new era. I think within 100 years trying to fit capitalism to an information economy would be like trying to sell a spotify customer on the joys of FM radio.

    Expect the composition of our economic philosophy to change dramatically. What will harm us probably more than anything will be a nostalgic ideological insistence to use solutions for problems we no longer face.

  16. Re:Capitalism by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed. I am a capitalist (I own two small businesses, that while things are way tougher today, are still in the black). I do not understand why other capitalists are mocking the OWS crowd. What those people are mostly protesting is corporatism, and that corporatism is hurting capitalists like me.

    For instance, if I need a loan to expand my business today, it's really, really hard to get, even with an 800+ credit score and good financials. Lending rates are way down. Banks aren't lending anybody money. Why? Prime is .25%. US Treasury bonds are 2%+ on a 5-year not. Banks are borrowing money from the Fed at .25%, and then lending it to back to the government at 2%+. They are literally conjuring profits out of thin air. And we can't get in on that action because we're not a huge bank. That ain't capitalism...that's corporatism, and it's hurting every small business in america.

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  17. How to elect Ron Paul: by tobiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know he'd shut that shit down. Clean up the Fed, slash military expenditures, get us out of the wars. I doubt anyone else would do it.
    http://youtu.be/HawiHvxloms

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  18. Re:Capitalism by korean.ian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But capitalism IS possible. We had it in the US from the end of Reconstruction until 1913, and had a shadow of it for much longer than that.
     

    Jeez, what kind of wacky history books have you been reading?

    I guess Andrew Carnegie, JP Morgan, John Rockefeller, were just poor innocent capitalists who lobbied against the government to remove tariffs on steel, broke up their own trusts willingly, and didn't organize collective actions.

  19. Re:The FED was created BY Wall Street FOR Wall Str by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it was created by Wall Street banks in order to save their asses when they screwed up and pump the leverage up too high. That's what it does.

    The people who created the Federal Reserve were Wall Street:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island#Planning_of_the_Federal_Reserve_System

    Paul Warburg - Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (Rothschild) - Lehman Brothers
    Frank Vanderlip - National City Bank of New York - Citibank
    Henry P. Davison - JP Morgan
    Benjamin Strong - JP Morgan
    Charles D. Norton - First National Bank of New York - Citibank

    Bank runs and failures prevent banks from becoming Too Big To Fail, and taking down the entire world economy. Which they did just as soon as they were able to ramp up the leverage (backed by the FED) during the "roaring" 1920s (can you say Credit Bubble?) until the inevitable result ... The Great Depression, Hitler, World War II etc.

    Banks are fundamentally unstable organisations, they operate through leverage so small negative changes cause catastrophic results, and central banks as lenders of last resort provide insurance, which allow banks to lend with higher leverage than they would if they had no insurance. The losses are obviously then socialised. This is highly desirable if you happen to be a Wall Street banker. Lucky they've got one then eh?

    That is, central banks make the problem bigger. Tada, here we are again. Great Depression? Greater Depression? Greatest Depression? Are we going to see World War III as the results continue to roll round the world?

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