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USPS Ending Overnight First-Class Letter Service

New submitter cstacy writes "The United States Postal Service will be closing half of its processing centers this spring. Currently, 42% of first-class mail is delivered the following day for nearby residential and business customers. But that overnight mail will be a thing of the past, with delivery guaranteed only for 2-3 days. About 51% will be delivered in two days. Periodicals may take up to nine days. (Additional delays beyond this may come into play when Congress also authorizes USPS to close operations for some days each week.)"

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  1. Netflix by The+Pirou · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That is going to be a pain for subscribers to Netflix, Gamefly, etc. I used to be able to validate the turn around time with local processing centers, but this is going to impact monthly turnover for those with DVD plans. I can see where this is probably going to do more to push consumers to use Redbox and Blockbuster kiosks, furthering the impact to the bottom line of USPS when more Netflix subscribers drop their service, decreasing use of traditional mail.

    1. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doubtful. Chances are pretty good Netflix and Gamefly will turn to UPS and Fedex

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577072323400561792.html

      Let the free market succeed where the USPS only exists by monopoly.

    2. Re:Netflix by h0dg3s · · Score: 5, Funny

      They won't use UPS if they ever want to see their discs again.

    3. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      UPS/Fedex? Ridiculous!

      The USPS is incredibly cheap compared to the commercial alternatives. The USPS goes to EVERY mailbox each day (6 days a week). Nearly everyone gets mail every day and even if there is none to deliver there might be some to pick up. This is particularly important outside of big cities. There are MILLIONS of people living outside UPS/Fedex delivery zones.

      What are you going to do for the farmers and ranchers who live 50 miles away from the nearest FedEx drop box? Remeber they don't get internet out there either. So you are going to let them swing? Really? Nothing for the people growing your food? It is not wise to SHIT on the people who feed you.

      Government operations like the post office is just one of the many "costs of doing business" in a large society. Change the funding model so that the postal service can raise its rates and fire those that need firing and you'll see that it can work.

    4. Re:Netflix by r_jensen11 · · Score: 2

      I disagree. My suspicion is that most people would rather put up with the slightly slower service and the customers who feel that this will impact their experience will add another disc to their plan. Chances are it's a minority of Netflix customers who watch more than one or two discs per week. The one-per-week customers will not have a real impact to their experience.

    5. Re:Netflix by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

      totally depends on the region, some hubs are great, some hubs play forklift hokey with your packages, take a guess and flip a coin

    6. Re:Netflix by firex726 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to get too off topics, but that's something I never quite got.
      As society gets larger and more spread out there are certain services such as the USPS/Fire dept that will become a nesesity reagrdless of their bottom line.

    7. Re:Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not just that, but pissed off sorters pushing packages off conveyor belts 30' in the air because they're pissed off that 60,000 packages per hour are being crammed through hubs designed for 30,000 packages per hour and they're getting yelled at for shutting down the belt every 7-10 seconds to keep up. Shoving unix boxes and monitors was my particular favorite act of revenge in the early '90s when I worked at UPS.

      Then, you have loaders who literally kick holes in expensive packages because the flow is coming down the belt far too fast for even two experienced loaders to keep up, while supervisors are cussing them out for not keeping up. Another tactic was to time it, and load only one box every six seconds, which is the performance level that loaders are required to achieve to keep their jobs, per union contract; they can't be forced to work faster - which would cause the already-overloaded rollers to back up onto the belt, past the pickoff sorters, and occasionally even up to the sorters where the trailers are being unloaded.

    8. Re:Netflix by shentino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USPS exists by monopoly to preserve service to poor areas.

      We decided that mail service was such an important part of our national infrastructure that we mandated it even in the poor areas.

      The monopoly was a QPQ that allowed the USPS to serve unprofitable areas with the support of income from high profit areas.

      Otherwise a commercial mail service would hog the high spots to itself and leave rural areas out in the cold.

    9. Re:Netflix by arth1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let the free market succeed where the USPS only exists by monopoly.

      No, USPS is no monopoly. If you think you can deliver letters across the country for less than half a dollar, you're free to do so. And unlike the USPS, you're not required to do so.
      And therein lies the problem - USPS, which is a private company, doesn't get to fight against other companies because laws and regulations hinder them. Which is fair enough, but then We The People need to foot the bill for this extra service we demand of them.

      My advice: Nationalize the postal service[*].
      The government owned and run postal services of many other countries do pretty well at low cost.
      Where they have privatized them, the expenses have skyrocketed and service has taken a dive.

      [*]: As well as any other essential services now run as private companies. The US Mint and the USPS are good starters, but there are dozens.

    10. Re:Netflix by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let the free market succeed where the USPS only exists by monopoly.

      Force the "free market" to completely fund the pensions of workers that haven't even been born yet and then we'll talk about how the USPS has "failed".

    11. Re:Netflix by mjwx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let the free market succeed where the USPS only exists by monopoly.

      Yep, without a low cost alternative to UPS, FedEx and DHL, prices will all of a sudden drop through the floor.

      That was sarcasm in case you didn't get it. The invisible hand is only ever preparing to pull down your pants and give you a wedgie.

      The USPS needs to get rid of it's bad, underutilised services and focus on it's core, money making units. Australia Post has managed to compete well with private couriers and are keeping up to date with technology as well as offering new services. Here lies the success of Aus Post, they diversified and now only 50% of their revenue comes from postal services, of the last 5 times I went into a post shop only 1 time was to post something. Why bother posting a cheque to the power company when I can pay it at the post shop (grandma still hasn't figured out how to pay online, but she can give the money to the clerk at the post shop), hell, what we used to call the post office is now the post shop because it's become more of a shop then an office.

      If I want to send something across Australia in 24 hours with guaranteed delivery, I'll pay a courier to make sure it gets there on time. I have to do this with some documents and even data as 6 GB takes a long time to transmit but can be contained on 2 DVD's. But if I dont care how long it takes to get there and just want the cheapest option, I'll take Aus Post. I have to ask why the USPS didn't restructure like this years ago.

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    12. Re:Netflix by cstacy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Let the free market succeed where the USPS only exists by monopoly.

      No, USPS is no monopoly. If you think you can deliver letters across the country for less than half a dollar, you're free to do so.

      Actually, USPS is a monopoly. It is a federal crime to deliver a letter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

    13. Re:Netflix by rtfa-troll · · Score: 3, Informative

      "AMERICAN POST OFFICE - The American Letter Mail company has established post offices in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Boston, and will transmit letters daily from each city to the others - twice a day between New York and Philadelphia. Postage 6 1/4 cents per each half-ounce, payable in advance always. Stamps 20 for a dollar." [my emphasis]

      Looking at the material it seems the American Letter Mail company never provided universal mail. You have an exception which proves the rule (in the original sense of the phrase).

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    14. Re:Netflix by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, USPS is no monopoly. If you think you can deliver letters across the country for less than half a dollar, you're free to do so.

      No... you're not free to do so. That proposition would be a federal crime. Under 18 USC S 1696 . Also, the "unlawful letters" would then be subject to seizure by US postal workers, and US marshals.

      Whoever establishes any private express for the conveyance of letters or packets, or in any manner causes or provides for the conveyance of the same by regular trips or at stated periods over any post route which is or may be established by law, or from any city, town, or place to any other city, town, or place, between which the mail is regularly carried, shall be fined not more than $500 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

    15. Re:Netflix by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They'd do it how they (UPS/FedEx) started. They'd cherry pick routes and pricing to just compete on the most profitable locations. People in NY sending stuff to Boston would probably see an improvement. Someone in rural Georgia sending a letter to rural MT (or anyone sending or receiving anything Alaska, HI, or APO) is much better off with USPS. The country is better off with USPS.

    16. Re:Netflix by jhoegl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed... but then we live in the USA, where people are ignorant and uncaring of others as long as they can save a dime.
      Oh, you want running water way out there? I dont want to pay for it even though you help pay for my schools, my roads, my police, and my firefighters.

    17. Re:Netflix by zoloto · · Score: 4, Informative

      as a former UPS employee (unload/load, night shift) this is absolutely true.

    18. Re:Netflix by CoryFoy · · Score: 2

      Actually, a great majority of fire departments are all volunteer, especially in rural areas. It's only when the call volume goes up that they start justifying paid crews.

    19. Re:Netflix by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here the volunteer fire department still gets the fire hall, trucks and rest of the equipment payed by the tax payers. I think the firefighters also get a small amount of money when working as well.

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    20. Re:Netflix by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or see them intact, for that matter.
      Whenever I get some UPS package (not my choice, I am always forced into this option), I wonder in what creative new ways will the parcel be damaged. Broken items, punctures in various places of the package, even folded parcels (3D parcels, that is, where one dimension isn't particularly prominent, either), leaks of chemicals into the parcel, these are all various joys of a UPS-delivered parcel.

      The fact that they treat you like an idiot by never telling you when they'll deliver it at your home (and doing this repeatedly) just adds insult to injury.

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    21. Re:Netflix by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shoving unix boxes and monitors was my particular favorite act of revenge in the early '90s when I worked at UPS.

      Kicking the cat may feel good but it's not revenge, it's frustration.

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    22. Re:Netflix by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here in Oz we have the CFA (Country Fire Authority) and MFB (Metropolitan Fire Brigade), MFB are paid, CFA are not (except for some admin jobs). If you look into the history of it, up until the great fire of London in the 17th century fire brigades in the UK were private organisations (sort of like an auto club that does roadside repairs), they would only put out their customer's fires, the other houses around were someone else's problem. It was realised by the government of the day that a bunch of competing private companies was no match for the fire hazards of a city like London, so they created their own and elevated them to a similar social position held by police. Similarly the Brits realised that large cities need a public sewer system when 19th century London was literally dying in it's own shit.

      Of course the above are examples of where socialism works as advertised, but I'm sure someone will object because their dogma tells them to reject the concept having their wealth redistributed, even if they are receiving more material benefits from it than they could possibly afford by themselves.

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    23. Re:Netflix by arazor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They won't use UPS if they ever want to see their discs again.

      That is absolute bullshit. Mods please mark that post as troll and this one as well if need be. In my adult life (25 to 30 years) I have only had a couple problems with UPS which were always resolved by the shipping party.

      I have never experienced a serious USPS problems either for that matter. The current USPS financial problem is a purely political problem that could be resolved with a bill that would change USPS money management back policy to roughly their 1990s rules and regulations.

    24. Re:Netflix by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm sorry, but which people are demanding it? Seems like the massive amounts of packages shipped via other carries shows that the majority of the US doesn't want the USPS, so why should they be forced to pay for it?

      I'm pretty sure your numbers are off - way off. Yes, many businesses use FedEx or UPS rather than the USPS, most likely because (a) they've negotiated shipping rates with carriers and (b) parcel tracking is much better than w/USPS, but I'm willing to bet money that most people ship most of their packages via USPS, especially as it's much less expensive to do so. As for volume, according to this http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/productivity.html and at least one other reference on Answers.com - of course, some of this volume is letters not packages.

      1. The USPS delivers more items in one day than Federal Express does in a year and more items in one week than United Parcel Service does in a year.
      2. The Postal Service delivers to 146 million businesses and households each day, six days per week. UPS delivers to 8 million addresses daily while FedEx serves even fewer.
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    25. Re:Netflix by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      The USPS is incredibly cheap compared to the commercial alternatives. The USPS goes to EVERY mailbox each day (6 days a week).

      What alternative to the USPS is allowed to deliver first class mail?

      That's right. None. Since the USPS has a legal monopoly, you can't compare them to the commercial alternatives, because none can exist. If they could, they might do a better job than the USPS.

      What are you going to do for the farmers and ranchers who live 50 miles away from the nearest FedEx drop box? Remeber they don't get internet out there either.

      Sure they do.

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    26. Re:Netflix by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2

      Where did you come up with that? I have the same problem as the OP, and all my stuff comes when I am at work. Never seen the driver. UPS could be using magic ponies to deliver to my area for all I know.

    27. Re:Netflix by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Again, it's deceptive because the nationalised postal services have a mandate to provide universal service, while private companies do not. That is, they need to be able to deliver first class mail to the most remote rural Danish island, the same as they do to downtown Copenhagen. This means that you pay more (with your national service) for simple deliveries to subsidise the more difficult ones.

      Privatising (or even liberalising) postal services can lead to several bad consequences. The most obvious would be this situation: the national service is still mandated by law to provide universal service. They still charge more on simple urban deliveries to balance the books. A private service comes in and competes only for the simple jobs- they refuse service to anywhere tricky. As all their deliveries are simple, they can massively undercut the national service on these jobs, depriving the service of it's main revenue stream. Therefore, either "non-simple" jobs become massively more expensive, or taxpayers need to step in to subsidise, or the service goes bust and you lose universal service.

      The situation in the UK is even more daft. The Royal Mail is still a monopoly, but they're now required by law to sell their "last mile" delivery capabilities on to competitors- and do so practically at cost. The above paragraph is still true, with the added irony that the RM is still delivering the letters- but for no profit! And they still have to provide universal service to the Outer Hebrides, also at massive loss. Competitors such as UK Mail or TNT cherry pick the profitable routes- and don't even need to worry about having any infrastructure past the sorting office. And obviously it's the taxpayer who picks up the bill.

    28. Re:Netflix by skovnymfe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh get off your high horse, you SOCIALIST.

    29. Re:Netflix by Bob+The+Cowboy · · Score: 2

      This is a case where a "Score:5" isn't high enough :o(

    30. Re:Netflix by sjames · · Score: 3

      It is that. You can't make a profit on the rural routes.

      But to look at something where there actually is competition, consider parcel delivery. I routinely choose USPS for that unless I REALLY need it to go overnight. USPS is cheaper and just as reliable. Plus, I have had packages damaged by UPS, FedEx, and USPS, but only USPS actually paid the insurance rather than weaseling out of it.

    31. Re:Netflix by soundguy · · Score: 4, Funny

      OK, then they won't use UPS if they want their discs to be intact.

      EVERY. SINGLE. THING. that gets sent to me UPS appears to have been intentionally kicked, punched, or slashed. This goes for parcels as well as envelopes.

      I got three new 1U servers sent to me via UPS last year. One of the cartons had a TIRE TRACK across the top of it.

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    32. Re:Netflix by Chalnoth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem actually has nothing to do with the Post Office's business model. The USPS makes quite significant profits. The problem, instead, has to do with Republican legislation put into law in 2006 built with the very purpose of killing the USPS: the USPS has to forward-pay the benefits of its employees *for 75 years into the future*. See here:
      http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/28/330524/postal-non-crisis-post-office-save-itself/

      So basically, we shouldn't have to deal with this. But the Republicans want to kill the post office.

    33. Re:Netflix by catmistake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      UPS drivers touch the package most likely once... when they actually deliver it. The drivers' trucks are packed for them. (UPS Driver is actually a decent paying, highly coveted position.)

    34. Re:Netflix by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've had friends work for UPS in Santa Cruz. When your packages come in they slide down several chutes. One of the chutes has a big ragged exposed bolt hanging down in the middle of it that gouges open packages just barely big enough to go in, but not big enough to go through. A worker will typically climb up the chute, grab your box, and just FORCE it downwards. Then the boxes end up in a big pile and they load them into the back of the truck, then throw the next set of boxes over a wall they've built there.

      If you care about your packages, don't use UPS. Fuckers just destroyed a package coming to me with a $225 rivet shaver, busted it straight out of the side of the envelope, then delivered me an empty envelope in a plastic bag tied to my gate chain in a windstorm.

      FUCK UPS: FUCK UPS.

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    35. Re:Netflix by peragrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do they know when they will deliver it to your home?

      answer they don't.

      fact is residential deliveries are extremely variable in their timing depending on how large the area is and how many packages are in it.

      businesses get reliable delivery times because the routes generally have so many packages going to each place every day.

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    36. Re:Netflix by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is the fact that you send packages by USPS (United States Postal Service) with nothing but good things to say about your in contrast with their comments about negative experience sending things UPS (United Parcel Service)?

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    37. Re:Netflix by thejynxed · · Score: 3, Informative

      It wasn't the unions who did it, it was a Republican sponsored bill passed in 2006 and mentioned by an above poster in one of the threads. Try reading.

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    38. Re:Netflix by hrvatska · · Score: 4, Informative

      To elaborate on what Uberbah is referring to, a 2006 Congressional mandate contained in the “Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006”, required the USPS to pre-fund healthcare benefits of future retirees, a 75 year liability over a 10 year period. It has to project and pay for employees who haven't even been born yet. No other agency or corporation is required to do this. UPS and FedEx are not required to do this, only the USPS. Whose lobbyists do you think congress and the white house were listening to when they passed this provision? This provision costs the Postal Service $5.5 billion a year. When you add in an adjustment that was made in how workers’ compensation costs were calculated based on interest rate assumptions and long term predictions concerning health care and compensation of $2.5 billion (a non cash accounting adjustment), you come up with $8 billion in cost. Actual loss was $500 million and when added, comes to the $8.5 billion reported for 2010. While $500 million is a lot, it doesn’t compare with $8.5 billion and is down from the previous year loss of $1 billion. If you took out the onerous pre-funding mandate, the Postal Service actually shows a $700 million profit over the last four years instead of the $20 billion loss.

    39. Re:Netflix by ToiletBomber · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can it still run Linux?

    40. Re:Netflix by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, a couple of points. First people who live out in the sticks probably are not paying for your firefighters (unless your firefighters are paid out of state funds, they are not in my state). Fire companies in most rural communities are voluntary, non-profit organizations that are not run by the local government. Generally, their operational expenses come from donations (although they sometimes get grants from various government agencies to buy new equipment). Another point, U.S. society is actually less spread out today than it was 100 years ago (that is a larger percentage of the population lives in cities today than did then). As for running water, very few, if any, people living in rural areas are dependent on the government for running water and they like it that way.

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    41. Re:Netflix by pz · · Score: 2

      The USPS needs to get rid of it's bad, underutilised services and focus on it's core, money making units.

      While this sounds like standard business management turnaround strategy, I fear from my experience that the USPS is in much worse condition and that deeper, more fundamental issues need to be addressed. Like firing 90% of the workforce and replacing them with motivated employees who realize that if they do not perform, their jobs will end. Currently, in every single USPS office I have been to in the last few years, and I go in to an office every two weeks or so, the staff are largely slow, inefficient, do not speak English well, are often surly, and don't give one whit about customer service. There are employees who are the occasional exception, but the large picture remains. I've had people staffing the special services window tell me they can't staple a form together, or that they're too busy to make a photo copy even though they clearly aren't working on any pressing tasks, or that I used the wrong color pen *after* I've filled out a form, and no, they have no black pens I could use. Somehow they don't understand that there are alternatives to the USPS for many services, that they face stiff and growing competition, and that the future is bleak for the USPS existing at all, threatening the long-term prospects for the employees having jobs.

      There are exceptions, naturally, but given that such laziness is blatantly apparent in customer-facing employees, I can only imagine the sloth behind the scenes. Such horrible attitude develops if employment is essentially guaranteed for life and (a) it is impossible to advance by working hard, and (b) it is impossible to get fired for not working.

      The USPS needs a new work force. The idea of a national letter delivery service is an excellent one, and I continue to be amazed that they can deliver a letter anywhere in the US for under half a dollar. Imagine if they had efficient, motivated employees!

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    42. Re:Netflix by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When we developed packaging for shipping, one of our qualification tests was to stand at the top of a 15' tall no-switchback stairwell and throw the package overhead down the stairs (was required to hit the midway landing and then bounce the rest of the way down.) 4x with no internal damage was a pass.

      That worked pretty well for domestic shipping, trans-oceanic also required 16 hours in a paint mixer to be sure that the boards wouldn't vibrate out of their sockets by the time they got to Europe/Australia.

    43. Re:Netflix by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Clearly, you've never suffered the horrors of FedEx Ground. I've caught them RED HANDED skipping delivery attempts, and gotten them to admit (off camera, unfortunately) that drivers who skip stops are known to be an "occasional" problem. A few years ago, I was home for the day getting my roof replaced. FedEx Ground claimed that there was "nobody home" and said they "left a note". At that point, there were no fewer than 7 people roaming around, including at least 1 or 2 in the front yard (possibly including myself). The NEXT day, I left a webcam pointed at the driveway & recording. 6pm arrived, no package, no note... and they claimed there was. When I confronted the FedEx manager, he first got irate, then broke down and grudgingly admitted that there "might" be a problem with the driver and said he'd "talk" to him.

      The impression I've gotten from various sites is that due to the way FedEx Ground (a.k.a. "RPS") works is that the packages end up at a depot, and drivers (who own their own trucks and are basically free agents) grab the ones they want to try and deliver. Apparently, there's an official process for making unwilling drivers attempt to deliver other packages, but they don't push it unless somebody escalates. In the meantime, they'll automatically log a package left at the depot as a failed delivery attempt.

      The worst delivery record of all (in terms of packages that FedEx Ground either doesn't try to deliver) are packages that require a signature. FedEx Ground drivers get paid by the successful delivery, so when there are LOTS of packages waiting to be delivered, they intentionally bypass as many that require signature releases as they can, especially if you live in a gated community and they aren't certain you'll be home. It wouldn't be so bad if their depots were at least open until 9 and on weekends for pickup, but they're not. Getting them to pull a package from a truck so you can pick it up (within a fairly restricted range of hours) almost takes an act of god. UPS, in comparison, will let you camp out at their facility the day of a missed delivery and grab the package off the truck when the driver gets back to the depot.

      UPS might not be perfect, but they're infinitely better than FedEx Ground.

    44. Re:Netflix by magamiako1 · · Score: 2

      although they sometimes get grants from various government agencies to buy new equipment).

      What about the OP's post did you not understand when you wrote that statement?....

    45. Re:Netflix by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      Be careful to differentiate between "running water" = "indoor plumbing" and "running water" = "city water". Everyone has indoor plumbing; not everyone has city water. Not everyone wants city water. There are advantages to being on septic and well water instead of on city sewer and water lines. You will notice that even in nicely populated areas there are still communities on wells and septic.

    46. Re:Netflix by Confusador · · Score: 2

      Another point, U.S. society is actually less spread out today than it was 100 years ago (that is a larger percentage of the population lives in cities today than did then).

      I'll believe that, easily, but I'm curious whether it's true that there are fewer people (on an absolute basis) living outside of cities. It seems likely to me that stopping daily mail service to those areas would impact more people now than it would have 100 years ago. Not that that's precisely the point you were referring to, anyway.

    47. Re:Netflix by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Informative

      We decided that mail service was such an important part of our national infrastructure that we mandated it even in the poor areas.

      Also worth noting here is that the people who negotiated the Constitution thought a public mail service was so important that it's one of the 18 powers specifically granted to Congress. (Article 1, section 8)

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    48. Re:Netflix by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As society gets larger and more spread out there are certain services such as the USPS/Fire dept that will become a nesesity reagrdless of their bottom line.

      Not all the case in the US of something that will beceome a necessity as society gets larger and more spread out -- its something that's always been necessary, in part because of how large and spread out society was, and was recognized as such by the founders. For quite some time the political Right has advanced the idea that "government should be run like a business", and one of their big "successes" there has been the semi-privatization of the USPS into an entity that is, rather than operated like a public service, operated like a self-supporting business. The objective has always been to kill the USPS, and, even though it took a long time, they've finally reached the point where they've almost been successful.

      (Perhaps ironically, the USPS's main opponents are the same people that talk about limiting government to performing its constitutional roles -- and operating a postal service and postal roads is one of those constitutional roles.)

    49. Re:Netflix by scoove · · Score: 2

      I've had Amazon Prime for two years, with multiple deliveries per week to a rural address. Hundreds and hundreds of packages, and only one issue with the package being delivered impaired (a large farm implement that wasn't even in a box, delivered missing a large bolt that was zip-tied to the steel frame).

      UPS has been outstanding. USPS on the other hand can be guaranteed to leave mailboxes open, shred packages, place packages in strange places, destroy mail in transit, break DVDs, accumulate mail for a week at a time and then deliver it, etc.

      FedEx has also been good to work with but by no means as friendly and helpful as our USPS has been.

    50. Re:Netflix by LanMan04 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, USPS is a monopoly. It is a federal crime to deliver a letter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

      Yeah, to an official US mail box. At least be honest in your assessment. UPS and FedEx could deliver letters all day long, just not to your "official" mail box...and they do.

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    51. Re:Netflix by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      it runs NetBSD, but it's dying

    52. Re:Netflix by hrvatska · · Score: 2

      There are two issues. Pensions and future retiree health costs. They are more than fully funding the pensions. USPS has overpaid into its pension fund between $55 and $75 billion, yet is forced to continue to pay billions of dollars per year into the pension fund, even though the fund is fully (actually over) funded. The second issue is the amount of time USPS has to fund future health costs. By compressing the amount of time that the USPS has to meet future obligations, the provision all but guarantees the failure of the USPS. If most people or businesses had to meet all their future health costs by saving enough money in the next ten years, they too would go bankrupt.

    53. Re:Netflix by Nimey · · Score: 2

      Sounds like it was the brainchild of the "starve the beast" nutters, doesn't it?

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  2. Good plan by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're going to encourage people to use their services by dramatically reducing the service quality they offer.

    1. Re:Good plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't really think they are doing this by choice, they are not run by the government, they are government regulated and required to run but they are still a private business and they are needing to do something to keep afloat due to the decreased business they have been getting due to stuff like Email, Facebook, Fedex and UPS.

      Of course if they actually succumbed and become an actual government run service and ran off taxes instead of how they are run now, all this would become a moot point.

      The fact that such a vital service isn't an actual government provided service and hasn't turned to outright greed is commendable but the fact remains that the nation NEEDs a service like this to run correctly and this is 1 area that there needs to be a steady, stable government run service, allow others to compete with it, but there needs to always be something that we can rely on 100%.

    2. Re:Good plan by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

      Or, phrased differently, they're going to cut their distribution costs in half (from 500 processing centers to 250) while providing virtually the same service in 58% of cases and only slightly diminished service for the other 42%. Considering I wasn't even aware of the fact that letters I mailed to someone local to my area would arrive next-day, I have to wonder how much others will miss it. I just figured they all took 2-3 days, and would've never noticed a different if this hadn't been posted here.

  3. It's a SERVICE by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sad thing is to hear people bitch about the raising cost of a First Class letter - sent *ANYWHERE* for how much? 50 cents or so? Oh yeah, that's WAY out of line...

    People, the US Mail is a *service* to the public, there's no way it can every pay for itself and still move mail at the current rates. We fund this *service* with tax money, *not* postage.

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    1. Re:It's a SERVICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If are tax dollars aren't being used to kill someone or throw them in jail then it's just inefficiency and overreaching government!

    2. Re:It's a SERVICE by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The sadder thing is that the USPS's peak delivery year was 2006. Maybe there's been a very substantial downturn since then, but the internet was hardly new.

      What is new is a 2006 law requiring the USPS to bank their employees' retirement money 75 years in advance. Since then they've been paying the treasury $5,000,000,000 per year, to cover the retirement of people who haven't even been born yet.

      Some people think the Congress did this to kill the USPS.

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    3. Re:It's a SERVICE by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do realize that the postal service is mandated that it needs to be able to support itself? And that it's been doing so just fine for quite some time? And that none of our taxes have gone to it in any significant amount in recent history? Just because Congress governs it doesn't mean that we provide for its funding.

      The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters. Revenue in the 2000s has been dropping sharply due to declining mail volume, prompting the postal service to look to other sources of revenue while cutting costs to reduce its budget deficit.

      From Wikipedia

    4. Re:It's a SERVICE by BrianRoach · · Score: 2

      Actually, no, it's not. At least not for the last 30 years or so.

      The only taxpayer money that goes to the USPS is ~ $100mm a year to cover things mostly for the disabled and overseas voters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service). They are only expected to break even.

      And therein lies the problem. The basic fact of the matter is that e-mail has eroded their bread-and-butter; people needing to communicate with another person. Bills/invoices are also going this way. While not everyone uses e-mail, enough do that this is a buggy-whip manufacturing situation. Eventually there will simply be little reason for it to exist.

      The fact that they suck at delivering actual packages when compared to UPS pretty much rules them out of that business. They're slower, don't provide adequate or accurate tracking, etc, etc.

      Oh, and in new neighborhoods like mine? UPS, FedEx, etc actually bring things to my *house*, not a community mailbox a 1/4 mile away.

      What it comes down to is either it needs to be completely overhauled and shrunk to fit today's reality, or be subsidized heavily by taxpayer money.

    5. Re:It's a SERVICE by Ben_R_R · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, 0% of the USPS funding is through taxes. As an entity, it is entirely self supporting. See: http://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-facts/welcome.htm#H12

    6. Re:It's a SERVICE by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Informative

      Considering the condition Social Security is in, it seems to wise to plan ahead like that. Social security as we know it will be gone, or severely neutered by the time I reach retirement age. There's nothing wrong with making long term plans; you can't put everything on the national credit card forever.

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    7. Re:It's a SERVICE by captainkoloth · · Score: 5, Informative

      The USPS is totally self funded and profitable. The problem is Congress gave them a near-impossible pension funding mandate so that they could borrow against those pension funds. It's more like the government is leeching off of USPS. Not the other way around

    8. Re:It's a SERVICE by RalphSlate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The USPS sucks at delivering packages? And doesn't provide adequate tracking? What country do you live in?

      * UPS does not typically deliver on the weekend unless the sender pays extra. USPS does.

      * I can go to the USPS website to track my packages.

      * Anecdotally, UPS packages seem to take longer to deliver than USPS. They don't seem to be able to accurately predict delivery time either. With USPS, a priority package arrives in 3 days, and often 2.

      * If I am required to sign for a USPS package and I'm not home, I just have to drive to post office within 1/4 mile of my house. If I miss a UPS delivery, I have to drive 5 miles to the next town to their shipping terminal.

      I'll take the USPS any day over UPS. The reason USPS is hurting is that UPS is allowed to cherry-pick the profitable package business while avoiding the daily mail responsibility. Seems like in order for the competition to be fair, anyone competing should have to play by the same rules.

    9. Re:It's a SERVICE by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Social security as we know it will be gone, or severely neutered by the time I reach retirement age.

      Only if you let corrupt politicians take it from you. There's nothing wrong with Social Security. At all.

      The "crisis" bullshit is propaganda to get you to accept cuts now so they can continue to use the 'trust fund' surpluses to fund tax cuts for the rich and the military-industrial-congressional-survellance-contractor complex.

    10. Re:It's a SERVICE by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2

      Why not make congress or hte military or amtrak or any other government agency do this then?

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    11. Re:It's a SERVICE by khallow · · Score: 2

      Only if you let corrupt politicians take it from you. There's nothing wrong with Social Security. At all.

      We're about 80 years too late for that. Social Security had the seeds of the current problems in it from the beginning. Plus there have been innumerable projections of Social Security. They all show the same thing. It doesn't work in the long term, unless benefits are cut or Social Security taxes increased.

      The "crisis" bullshit is propaganda to get you to accept cuts now so they can continue to use the 'trust fund' surpluses to fund tax cuts for the rich and the military-industrial-congressional-survellance-contractor complex.

      This is why I advocate ending Social Security. It's been one of the chief bribes for the "military-industrial-congressional-survellance-contractor complex". My view is that if you want to end the corruption, then you need to end the voter bribes as well.

    12. Re:It's a SERVICE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Social security as we know it will be gone, or severely neutered by the time I reach retirement age.

      Only if you let corrupt politicians take it from you. There's nothing wrong with Social Security. At all.

      The "crisis" bullshit is propaganda to get you to accept cuts now so they can continue to use the 'trust fund' surpluses to fund tax cuts for the rich and the military-industrial-congressional-survellance-contractor complex.

      You're kidding, right?

      The "lockbox" was a hoax; Social Security has no funds banked ahead of time. All of its "surplus" is already immediately spent on other things.

      We are almost at the point where it becomes revenue negative, and then it starts falling apart for real, as benefits have to be reduced to equal income.

      I have known for 20 years that it would not exist for me, and I've just been waiting to see if any politician will be honest enough to tell me so. I was ready then, and I am ready now, for someone to honestly tell me that I have to pay to cover the people before me, but I won't ever get my benefit. I know I was already robbed by the previous generation. I just want someone to fess up and apologize for it.

    13. Re:It's a SERVICE by overdoze · · Score: 2

      Social Security is in no "crisis", it's actually solvent until around *2037* where the payroll tax base will be sufficient enough to cover only about 75% of promised benefits until *2085*. Since the 1980s when the Great Income Divide began between the super wealthy and the rest of us, Middle class incomes have also stagnated for the past thirty years. Considering the immense concentration of "trickle down" wealth over the same time period (62% of income gains earned from 2002-2007 went to the top 1% _alone_), the payroll tax capped at around 110k/year doesn't touch the immense gains that the richest in the country reaped, and along with the aforementioned stagnant Middle class gains, a future budget shortfall is created from the lost revenue. The bipartisan effort to "reform" Social Security with cuts is logically absurd: "we are facing shortfalls in the future, so to prevent them we must achieve the equivalent by making cuts *now*."

      http://www.salon.com/2011/07/08/social_security_deficit/singleton/

    14. Re:It's a SERVICE by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      I can go to the USPS website to track my packages.

      Sort of. If it's Express Mail, it shows you point-by-point tracking details. All other trackable mail services only tell you when it went out for delivery.

      The reason USPS is hurting is that UPS is allowed to cherry-pick the profitable package business while avoiding the daily mail responsibility.

      False. UPS is not allowed to deliver first class mail.

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  4. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What people are still reading paper books ?
    Silly man, of course people still send non electronic messages.
    Good old fashoined paper letters are PRIVATE.
    e-mail is not private, and good luck getting your contacts to use pgp or s-mime.
    e-mail is best effort, paper mail on the other hand is guaranteed delivery (and for registered mail it leaves a paper trail).
    e-mail is so impersonal, hand written letters on the other hand are much more personal.
    Congresspeople don't give a fuck about e-mail petitions, they hear on the other hand the power of hand written letters.
    Etc....

    TV didn't kill the radio, Internet didn't kill the radio; why do you think that email will kill paper letters ?

    Of course if all you write is in sms-style then yes using paper is a waste of resources.

  5. Re:The End of USPS by riverat1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The USPS would be doing ok financially if they didn't have to fund medical coverage for employees who aren't even born yet. They have to fund 75 years of retiree health care benefits, $59 billion, in 10 years after the passage of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006. Who else has to do anything even close to that?

  6. Best solution... by gstrickler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Get Congress to allow 3 day a week delivery on residential routes (and maybe commercial routes), Mon-Wed-Fri for half, Tue-Thu-Sat for the other half. Still offer daily delivery to post office boxes. Anyone who thinks they really need daily delivery can rent a PO Box and pick it up daily.

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  7. The USPS is *not* a traditional business by Elrond,+Duke+of+URL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really wish Congress, and the Post Master General for that matter, would stop pretending that the USPS is just another business and should be operated as such. It's not! Mail has been a public service almost since this country was founded and the idea goes back even further in time in some other countries.

    Given what the USPS does, it cannot operate like a normal business and it shouldn't have to. Considering how much money they are losing each year, it's clear they need to change something, and I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for first class postage, but this idea that the USPS needs to break even needs to stop soon before Congress completely ruins the postal service.

    Packages aside, you simply can't send everything through email. I still get plenty of real non-junk mail all the time, from bank notices to insurance EOBs. This is far more secure than email could ever hope to be. Yes, it would be nice if everybody encrypted their email (especially banks), but until that happens, regular mail is a lot more secure. We actually have laws against this sort of thing and most people even take them seriously. There is little, if anything, to prevent electronic eavesdropping.

    I certainly don't want to see the end of the traditional post office in my lifetime, but at the rate Congress is going, who knows. And while I would expect the Post Master General to be fighting the good fight *for* the USPS, every time I hear him talk it seems like he's gung ho to implement whatever idea Congress throws his way.

    The USPS is a public service, not a business...

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    1. Re:The USPS is *not* a traditional business by sethstorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Looks like you forgot about the "public service" bit.

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    2. Re:The USPS is *not* a traditional business by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 2

      If it is a public service, it designed to be fair irrespective of service location.

    3. Re:The USPS is *not* a traditional business by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I always thought this "should be run like a business" stuff was very hypocritical. Pretty much all the "run x like a business" (where x is Amtrak, USPS etc) politicians will then turn around and beg for fat subsidies for airports who often bleed cash like it was going out of style. I guess the difference is that poor people actually use Amtrak and the postal service, but rarely use airports......

    4. Re:The USPS is *not* a traditional business by PSandusky · · Score: 2

      Amtrak has been at least as expensive as air flight for a sometime, and it hadn't provided much of a benefit to general public, much less the poor population, for a while now.

      Citation needed. I'm guessing you haven't travelled by Amtrak over this span of time. I was traveling to western PA from FL last December for the holidays, and the round trip cost me $250. Flights would've easily cost me considerably more, because connections end up being cheaper through Amtrak than through United Airlines, which is the sole carrier at my hometown's airport. (This is even before we get into baggage fees!)

      Last December's Snowpocalypse sent a considerable number of travelers to Amtrak -- I can attest to this, because the train south was packed to the gills with people who were stranded in New York and Philadelphia. This influx was in addition to that which already crowded trains -- often people who can't afford round trips by air, or for whom the length of the trip (maybe across the state) would make air travel impractical. I can remember making the trip across PA to NYC several times... and never, over all the trips I made over the years, did I travel on a train that didn't have a fairly significant number of people in each car. Amtrak gets a lot more use than most people give it credit for, which I imagine is part of the reason it doesn't do as well as it can, and its national route system is terribly sparse when you get beyond the NE corridor. Still, with what it has, it does fairly well.

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  8. They could have undone the pension requirement by sethstorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This just sounds like someone wants to kill the USPS and loot it.

    Get rid of the pre-loading of pensions for 75 years as required by Congress, and they'd be a LOT closer to solvent - and no need to have slower packages.

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    1. Re:They could have undone the pension requirement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They'd not only be solvent, they'd be *profitable*. The pre-loading costs them five BILLION dollars a year. Basically the government is propping up FERS by looting the USPS. One wonders who they'll go after next once the USPS craters.

    2. Re:They could have undone the pension requirement by Greyfox · · Score: 2

      Yeah. It's not like Congress has been against looting pension funds for anyone else, why should the postal service be any different?

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  9. "People are still...." by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are still sending around non-electronic messages?

    This is a really tired expression. We didn't stop using the axe when the chainsaw came along, and we didn't stop using the broom when the vacuum came along, and we didn't stop using land line phones when cell phones came along. Most long lived legacy technologies and services survive for a good reason. They don't survive in great numbers mind you, and are used in very specialized situations, but they survive nonetheless. It should come as no more of a surprise to you that some people send letters any more than it should surprise you that some guys still cut wood with a metal blade attached to a wooden handle.

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    1. Re:"People are still...." by DogDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Case in point: I just bought a brand new USR 56K modem yesterday. Needed it for backup for when the Net goes down at work. POTS is certainly more reliable than DSL!

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    2. Re:"People are still...." by neyla · · Score: 2

      axes suck for splitting firewood too. One guy with a hydraulic splitter does more splitting in an hour than a pro with an axe does in a day.

      There's uses for an axe, sure. But for 90% of the situation where an axe *used* to be the right tool, it no longer is.

      Same for paper-letters. There's uses for it, but 90% of the messages you get are better sent electronically.

  10. My mailbox is filled with bulk mail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would like to ask that the post office only deliver once a week. And that should be the day before garbage/recycling day. 60% of the mail I get goes straight into recycling. The next 30% goes into the shredder and into yard waste bin.

    We get so little mail which is direct and important correspondence any more that we only check our mail once or twice a week. Every few months the mailman puts a slip in our box saying we have to go the post office to pick things up because our box is full.

    We had 9lbs of mail last time we picked it up. We kept two letters out of everything (2oz).

    The problem is not with their service, rather, they have discounted their service so much for things that people don't care about that it has degraded and made the delivery of important items a secondary item. Those who say "they make all their profit on bulk mail". I argue, if they didn't have to stop at EVERY BOX and transport TONS of material every day, they should be able to deliver the first class mail much faster and require half the staff.

    And talking about staffing, when they closed a mail processing center in the midwest recently, I saw that nobody lost their jobs. Instead, the unions said the employees took new jobs and were "forced" to deliver mail door to door.

    I have no sympathy.
     

    1. Re:My mailbox is filled with bulk mail! by Osgeld · · Score: 2

      This is true, I personally expect 3 bills and 2 checks a month, I throw 6 grocery store bags of shit away during that same time, and its all penny bullshit bulk rate garbage that I never even look at.

      It would probably not cost me damn near 10 bucks to send a couple 5.25 floppies to a fellow retro computer dude if the USPS was not charging 0.01 cents per pound to drive around 400lbs of junk mail daily, in the 3+ $ a gallon gas age.

  11. with apologies to Andrew S. Tannenbaum... by KingAlanI · · Score: 2

    never underestimate the bandwith of a postal delivery truck full of optical discs hurtling down side streets. :)

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  12. Re:and nothing of value... by DesScorp · · Score: 2

    ...was lost.

    Oh, I disagree with that. I don't want the post office to go away. I just want it to reflect reality. That means fewer post offices doing less stuff (and specifically, a post office that no longer tries to be a FedEx or a UPS. They can't accomplish that with their mandated unprofitable duties).

    Let the private shippers do packages, and just deliver my letters a few times a week, thanks.

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  13. USPS Been Great Least Common Denominator by AndyMcL · · Score: 2

    Sad to see the USPS getting worse and worse over the years. It has been a very successful least common communications denominator for over 200 years. It delivers all over the world and does a great job doing so. I would have been using them almost exclusively all along if they would have had a package tracking system like the other guys. USPS keeps rural areas connected to everything else. It is still amazing to me that I can be in such far off places as Hawaii, Guam, or Palau and for less than 50 cents send a letter or postcard to someone living at the bottom of the Grand Canyon or middle of Maine and almost never fail it gets there and quickly (3-5 days). This is definitely not the case in some other countries. Of course I know the Internet has changed things (been using Internet since 91), but still things such as legal contracts, business with governmental departments, shipping of precious metals, etc are still done largely via US Postal service because of its reliability and legal protections.

    I think the USPS is a public good and an important part of keeping such a large country with spread out citizens on more equal level. Does this mean they need to find ways to be more efficient? Sure! Does this mean they need to compete with fully private companies? Sure! But I think we need them to stay around and be healthy. This means tax payer money needs to added in because some parts of the business will never be very profitable. Someone needs to deliver the things to people who do not live in high populated areas and the letters to Santa.

  14. Re:What? by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Almost everyone accepts electronic bill payment these days. But sometimes one-off payments (medical, dental, etc) need to be in the form of a check. Also governmental agencies such as the USCIS require checks to be mailed in as electronic payment isn't an option yet. Oh, and lets not forget the elderly who still hand-write letters in cursive to other family members.

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  15. Re:The End of USPS by PPH · · Score: 2

    At the rate they're going, in 75 years there will only be a handful of people left at the USPS. When they split that $59 billion between themselves, they're going to be rich!

    (Hey, this is Slashdot. I was told there would be no math.)

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  16. Re:The End of USPS by mabhatter654 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just jack the price of delivery up to its real value... I did a quick lookup at FedEx for sending a package across town... The lowest cost was $7. Add to that that UPS and FedEx essentially "cherry pick" only the profitable areas... Even locally they don't always deliver to suburbs and make you pick up the package.

    The Post is undervalued. That used to be offset with "junk mail". Each of those items subsidized the wages of the mailman that only brought 0-3 pieces of actual mail per day. To turn the figures around, for a person to deliver to your house, you probably need 5-10 pieces of mail each day... Or $2.50-$5.00. That comes close to FedEx quote for $7 I mentioned earlier. Also, there is no way that $.44 now equals $.25 from 20 years ago.

    Mail needs to cost more, I'd say the need to jump to $1 minimum. They also need to trim residential service days to Mon-Wed-Fri. I know I don't get ANY mail at least one day per week, and at least one other is only junk. I could easily get all my bills in one day per week, except that makes receiving things timely a problem. I think Businesses get enough mail to justify 4 day service, maybe take Wed off.

    I don't think for most individuals upping the price to $1 will hurt anybody.. You're paying $4 for an average greeting card now! Packages are a separate business that allows a higher price point already.

  17. Taxpayers money is Not used to fund the USPS!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is a common misconception that the Postal Service uses tax money. They are funded entirely by the money they make from postage.

  18. Re:The End of USPS by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The USPS would be doing fine financially if the gov't didn't mandate that the USPS is profitable. It's a red herring. Our military isn't (officially) profitable. Our schools aren't profitable. Our infrastructure isn't profitable. Our police and fire aren't profitable. The USPS exists to provide a basic level of delivery service to ALL Americans. If the USPS goes away, it'll be really, really difficult to live anywhere other than in cities and suburbs.

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  19. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not without the recipient knowing and without comitting a crime.

    Other than that, your nerdy little ass is right.

  20. Re:What? by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    That's assuming the recipient actually gets the mangled letter afterwards. Mail still gets lost in today's day and age, and without a tampered envelope, a charge of mail tampering is nothing more than a crackpot's rantings.

  21. Re:What? by exomondo · · Score: 2

    TV didn't kill the radio, Internet didn't kill the radio; why do you think that email will kill paper letters ?

    Because two out of three ain't bad.

  22. Re:What? by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 5, Funny

    They probably have some fancy-fangled-ass-shit to pop open and reseal an envelope without showing signs of tampering, too.

    The word you are looking for is "equipment" ;)

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  23. Re:What? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless you use a fairly paranoid design(eg. an envelope chemically treated so that it will freak out in some obvious way if the adhesive is tampered with, or a residue-free volatile fluid is used to render the paper temporarily transparent) opening a letter isn't rocket surgery. If the feds are on your back, you probably have a problem. If somebody sends you cash, that particular envelope may just 'get shredded in a mechanical malfunction' and never arrive.

    However, tampering with letters would be a pretty ugly process to scale up(machines would be unlikely to be able to do it delicately enough, and 20,000 human tamperers are going to talk...) Tampering with packets requires actual geek skills; but once you have the capability, doing it to 100 million people differs from doing it to 100 only in how large a check you need to cut your vendor...

  24. Don't know what you'll miss... by rueger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Coming from Canada a few year ago I was amazed by the USPS.

    Overnight delivery? We're used to four to seven days, even in town.

    Saturday delivery? We lost that in the seventies.

    Mail pickup at your rural mailbox? I'm assuming we don't have that either.

    Most amazing to us though was that people used USPS to send important things, and assumed that they'd arrive, and on time. No way do you do that with Canada Post.

  25. Re:What? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok... so Fancy-frangled-ass-shit-equipment then?

    Was wondering what the proper name for it was :)

  26. Re:What? by izomiac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good old fashoined paper letters are PRIVATE. e-mail is not private, and good luck getting your contacts to use pgp or s-mime.

    43% of identity theft occurs from physical paperwork. 11% from online. Personally, I don't trust any security mechanism that can be defeated by someone walking by, opening your unlocked mailbox, and holding the envelope to the sun. E-mail can be quite private, but you're correct that most people don't require that level of privacy and subsequently don't bother. Let's see you convince your contacts to use PGP on snail mail...

    e-mail is best effort, paper mail on the other hand is guaranteed delivery (and for registered mail it leaves a paper trail).

    USPS loses about 3-5% of mail, per an unofficial source. They collect but do not publish these statistics themselves. E-mail seems more reliable that that, albeit there are tons of factors that go into it. At least you're much more likely to get a "message undeliverable" reply with e-mail.

    e-mail is so impersonal, hand written letters on the other hand are much more personal. Congresspeople don't give a fuck about e-mail petitions, they hear on the other hand the power of hand written letters.

    It's a social convention, there's no real difference between the two, beyond the cost of the stamp and slower transit. As for congressmen, I find your assertion that they take either seriously to be quite amusing.

  27. Re:What? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    Almost everyone accepts electronic bill payment these days.

    True. I (manually) pay almost all my bills electronically via my bank (which apparently routes through CheckFree) except the water and sewer bills. They come every other month and can only be paid electronically through Bank Of America for a $3 fee and they don't offer any payment guarantee/protection (like my bank does), so fuck 'em, they get a paper check. I still get paper statements because (a) I don't get any discount for getting an electronic bill and (b) I like to have a statement to file and don't see why I should have to print my own and pay for the paper/toner, etc.

    Also, for those who route their electronic statements through their Gmail account, remember that Google scans *everything* that goes through your account...

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  28. Convergence probably is the ticket by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm an early adopter as well as an impulse shopper. I set things up in my house and it generally isn't longer before my neighbors are knocking on my door asking to see what their kids are talking about. Then before you know it, they're asking me how to get it in their houses and before you know it, they're asking if it would be suitable for their 80 year old mothers.

    For the past 9 years, my kids have had media center PCs in their rooms... no TV signal as it isn't important. From collecting seasons of TV shows, they have an assortment of roughly 1500 cartoons on their PCs which they can watch by clicking a few buttons. My daughter has a 22" TV as a screen which was handed down by mamma when she bullied me to give her a bigger TV in the bedroom. My son has a 24" BenQ screen with some Logitech speakers. Their computers are their TVs, video game consoles and web browsers etc... I can safely say that with the exception of maybe on show a night before bed... lasting about 20 minutes, they never really watched TV... well except when visiting houses with technonoobs.

    On the top floor, I have a laser/led projector that gives me a 110" screen and a sound system able to do the room it is in justice. It's connected to a media center PC where we often play games we buy from Steam or movies we buy from iTunes and I often find myself web browsing from the couch there.

    On the bottom floor we have a 46" Sony LCD with the cable box which my wife watches reality TV on.

    All of us have iPhones, we have two iPads and I have a Windows 8 Tablet (Samsung Series 7 Slate) which I use as a PC for Windows, Mac and Linux development as well as watching films, playing games and pretty much everything else. These are our books. I am entirely unable to throw away a paper book on principal. So, I have a full room in my house with the walls covered with books and books stacked in boxes and a chair... I call it the library. I find it doubtful my children will buy paper books later in life. They're inconvenient, wasteful, and they suck up space.

    I have received a single piece of mail in the past 13 years which was addressed to me other than a bill. I haven't received a bill in the mail in about 6 years as they come through email. The one piece of mail I received was actually a paper based Nigerian 419 scam presenting itself as a letter from a law firm.

    We get out mail on any of the screens in the house. We get our movies entirely electronically. We get our games and music also electronically. If we want to watch broadcast TV, we do it through a streaming web site. If we want to listen to the radio, we do it through a streaming site. Of course, we have a sling box setup just in case someone calls and says "You have to turn on channel 9!" But, it's collecting dust.

    I just opened a new bank account inside the U.S. (I'm an American abroad) and I was in utter shock how ridiculously paper based the U.S. still is. I had to open a "Checking account"... I mean really? A checking account. That would imply the use of paper checks... WTF!!! are you still in the dark ages? They insisted I provide a paper form of payment other than cash to open the account and insisted it was sent through the mail. I was mortified. I don't even know how to do that. In the end, they agreed to let my dad send them a bank check or money order for $1 to get it open. They also required a color photocopy of my passport picture page and social security card. It wasn't good enough to e-mail them. They had to have genuine photocopies. So, I scanned them, sent them to my dad and he mailed them to the bank.

    I didn't have a social security card anymore and although I provided them with my number, they needed proof it was mine... so I asked the american embassy for a letter saying so... it was printed out and signed. After all... somehow a piece of linen stationary from 1975 which was printed in blue ink by a cheap press and then put into an IBM electric type writer is obviously more proof that the number is mine than me saying so.. DUH!!!!

    1. Re:Convergence probably is the ticket by xaxa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have received a single piece of mail in the past 13 years which was addressed to me other than a bill.

      That's incredible, though I doubt it's true. What about a new credit/debit card? The first bank statement, before you ask for electronic statements? The annual statement for an account you can't be bothered to enable electronic banking for? A letter from the local government? Junk mail? An annual newsletter from a society, university or political pressure group you belong to?

      And no personal mail? No birthday cards from a relative, postcards from your parents or friends who are on holiday? No thank-you letters from anyone, or wedding (or funeral) invitations?

    2. Re:Convergence probably is the ticket by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 2

      And how much time do YOU as a parent actually spend with your children? How often do you bond with them? Are they really "Happy"?

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  29. Half right by immaterial · · Score: 3, Informative

    They have to fully fund the benefits of every postal employee; that's actual employees, not any potential employee they might hire in the next 75 years. Meaning that for any new (young) employee they get, they must fully fund his retirement/benefits that wouldn't normally have to be paid until his retirement 40 or 50 years from now. The cost you cited is correct, and the requirement is justifiably called absurd and not a thing any private company is burdened with, but getting hyperbolic with the requirements of the law itself simply give your opponents a way to wave off your entire argument by pointing out this one innacuracy. I know it isn't you that started that little misinformational bit of hyperbole, but I've heard it a bunch and I've seen plenty of conservatives shrug off the entire argument by pointing this out and claiming the whole thing is "union lies" or some such. Whoever started the 75 years thing did their cause a terrible disservice.

    That said, another restriction Congress has put on USPS is the requirement not to raise rates faster than inflation (based on CPI or something like that). Fuel costs go up 30% this year? Well, suck it up, because you're not raising rates more than 1.67%!

    Conservatives like to point at the apparent failure of the USPS as an indicator that the government is simply wasteful in everything it does (instead we should privatize things so our corporate friends can take the profitable areas and leave everyone else to rot!), but that is a ludicrous assertion given that USPS is under restrictions such as the above which no private business would have to work under. Add to that the requirement that they serve every American, no matter where, with the same rates (a good and proper one, IMO) and it's amazing they're even close to profitable.

  30. Raise the price on junk mail, too. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    95% of what the USPS delivers to my mailbox goes directly into the recycling bin. This is no great loss.

    1. Re:Raise the price on junk mail, too. by geekmux · · Score: 2

      95% of what the USPS delivers to my mailbox goes directly into the recycling bin. This is no great loss.

      Junk mail too? Given this statistic(that comes pretty close to my own), how about raising the price of junk mail period...seems they're the primary contributors of burden on the entire system. Perhaps of we raise it high enough, they'll stop sending so damn much recycling bin fodder.

  31. Hall of Fame nomination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we vote for Slashdot Hall of Fame entries? If there is a "tl;dr" category or an "Overt Asperger Perseveration/Rumination", I would like to nominate the parent.

    Thank you.

  32. USPS isn't unprofitable, it's just dirty politics. by spd_rcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    USPS isn't on the verge of collapse due to any shortfall in business, it's recent changes in politics that have thrown a set of concrete slippers on a historically great swimmer.

    H.R. 1351 would allow the Postal Service to apply billions of dollars in pension overpayments to the congressional mandate that requires the USPS to pre-fund the healthcare benefits of future retirees. No other government agency or private company bears this burden, which forces the Postal Service to fund a 75-year liability in 10 years — at a cost of more than $5 billion annually. Without the mandate, the USPS would have shown a surplus of $611 million over the past four fiscal years.

    from http://postalemployeenetwork.com/news/2011/09/h-r-1351-gains-momentum-on-capitol-hill/

    There's a lot more to the Post Office than just delivering junk-mail. The Post Office has been the glue that allowed the US to exist almost right from the start. The difference between a 1st class nation and a 3rd world country is the Post Office. Can you imagine if your bills didn't arrive in a timely fashion or you weren't able to put a check in the mail. Sure there's a lot of movement towards electronic payments for everything, but there are still plenty of areas without broadband and getting on the modern web with a modem is painful. Odds are if you're older, the Post Office also delivers your medications safely and quickly regardless of where you live. Rain or shine, you can always count on the Post Office to deliver, Fed-up and OoPS, half the time when the package is in town, on the truck and out for delivery, it still won't show up for another day or two as they skip stops.

    If I was a politician, I'd really think twice about screwing with retirees prescriptions or the people handling the ballots.

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  33. Re:What? by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can get deb and rpm files in the mail now?!?

  34. Re:The End of USPS by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real problem is that not all deliveries cost the same. If you're a company in downtown Houston, Texas, and you want to mail something to the suburbs in Houston, Texas, the cost will be pretty small. If you want to deliver something to Anchorage, Alaska, the actual costs will be much larger.

    The point of universal postal service is that it allows businesses to treat all customers as equal. Imagine a situation where the cost to buy something from Amazon was dependent on your distance from an Amazon distribution centre; Amazon's business would quickly fall apart as they would be undercut by a hundred local competitors. Same for banks, mailing out bank statements. Or the cost of mailing your Congressman. Maybe that's a good thing, but the government's usual position is that it is not.

    USPS subsidise their tricky long distance deliveries by charging more for their simple local deliveries. If you were to allow private companies to compete on an even keel (but without legally mandating them to provide a universal service), they would simply undercut USPS on the profitable local deliveries, while leaving the taxpayer to carry the can for the expensive deliveries. It's one of those situations where you can't just change it a little bit without massive unintended consequences- if you're going to change it, you're going to need to do a complete overhaul and rethink.

  35. Re:What? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless you use a fairly paranoid design(eg. an envelope chemically treated so that it will freak out in some obvious way if the adhesive is tampered with, or a residue-free volatile fluid is used to render the paper temporarily transparent) opening a letter isn't rocket surgery. If the feds are on your back, you probably have a problem. If somebody sends you cash, that particular envelope may just 'get shredded in a mechanical malfunction' and never arrive.

    That's why, after sealing the envelope, I drip hot wax over the seam and make an imprint using my signet ring.

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  36. COMMUNIST by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, while firex726 is hauled away for daring to think in a free country (try typing that with a straight face) I, as a communist living in a communist country (IE everywhere NOT America) can confirm this.

    There are plenty of essential services that our society depends on but that don't always make economic sense. A starbucks is a easy. it should only continue to exist where it makes economic sense. It is not going to have enough business to sustain itself in a one horse town. (Horses don't drink coffee for the agriculturally challenged) But since nobody actually NEEDS a coffee shop (no, you really don't no matter how much you need caffeine to function) this is alright. You can live your entire life quiet happily without a starbucks or a McD near you.

    But try the same thing without say, water and sewage services. Electricity or gas. Or even more basic, a road system. Roads to most people just seem to be there but they are costly to put down and maintain and often of no direct economic value. It is a rare farm that can afford to pay for a road a system to deliver its produce to all its customers. Without the road it cannot deliver but it would be a very costly bit of lettuce if the farm itself had to pay for it. Me? The customer pay for it? I don't NEED that farm road or even the countless kilometers (remember, communist) of highway. I live in a small area and pay for goods to be delivered to me. They can pay the transport costs from that.

    This is why private roads are rare AND deliver ON private roads is NOT a sure thing. If you own a farm and don't keep your private road in a satisfactory state of repair you might be highly surprised to learn that deliveries are to the edge of your land, not the door. I am not going to risk MY truck on YOUR pot filled hole. To some people, getting the mail is a bit a more then firing up Gmail.

    Essential services are a part of the infrastructure that an entire society is build upon. This is nothing new. It doesn't even have to be costly. Once the USPS was a big source of income for the US government. But decades of mis management in order to reduce government by republicans have made a profitable service that everyone needs a byword for money loosing inefficiency. And the result? We have been steadily going back on the quality of a service once known for its reliability.

    But who still sends mail? Bill collectors? In a country in debt, that is the only remaining growth industry. The idea that you can send a letter and have it delivered anywhere in the country the next day is so ingrained that we don't think of it anymore. Electricity and water are the same and when they are turned off for a short time we suddenly notice how depended we are on it (quick for how many flushes of your shit do you have water stored). But they are only cut for short times or during unplanned outages where everyone is working as fast as possible to get it back up. NOBODY could seriously suggest that electricity will only be delivered part time (except in the glorious free market of California, high tech area of the world, think about that if you can).

    Once the mail service has been gutted (and it is already way to late) turning it back on is impossible. The infrastructure is gone and no matter how much it is needed, the finances just won't be there to restart it. Oh, the people will adjust but it will be one more slide into 2nd world status for the US. Roads broken up, bridges falling apart, electricity unreliable as in 2nd world nations. Pretty soon, this will be used as an excuse for entire companies to relocate to areas with better infrastructure. Oh wait, the companies already did move since lack of social services and high living costs put the pressure of paying for it on individual wages and made the US worker far to expensive. Here is a hint, if the only way for a worker to come to your factory is by car, then his salary must be able to pay for said car. A cyclist can afford to demand a lower wage. Simple economics no republican will ever understand. Same with health

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  37. Eh, that is the ULTIMATE example of socialism by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are aware that volunteer fire services are a perfect example of socialism? They may not pay a wage but the equipment is payed for by the people FOR the people. And it is fairly typical that everyone in the area gives the volunteers leeway to do their service. Or do you think non-volunteers can suddenly drop their job and rush out to put out a fire? No? Can't think of any employment contract that has this in it. Yet volunteer fire fighters do it all the time and are NOT fired (get it , fired, fire-fighter, that pun is smoking hot!, Get it, smoking hot? Fire? I am on FIRE today! What do you mean, good?)

    So what is your argument? Things that the whole society needs even if an individual might never need it, need to supported by the whole off society?

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    1. Re:Eh, that is the ULTIMATE example of socialism by xaxa · · Score: 2

      And it is fairly typical that everyone in the area gives the volunteers leeway to do their service. Or do you think non-volunteers can suddenly drop their job and rush out to put out a fire?

      There's something wrong with a society if an employer is unwilling to volunteer his employees' time in an emergency. Within reason, most employees would probably try and make up the time anyway.

      There's clearly a difference between being an official volunteer -- who might be telephoned and need to travel somewhere -- and a bystander. But if, for example, a speeding car crashes into the children's playground my office window overlooks, I'll have no hesitation in dropping what I'm doing to try and help.

      A bystander in the right place at the right time becomes a volunteer.

    2. Re:Eh, that is the ULTIMATE example of socialism by nahdude812 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And as long as the volunteer does a reasonable job of balancing their volunteering and their work commitments, you're probably right that most small companies don't have much problem with it. The problem arises when the volunteer always prioritizes each fire call over their work duties. There are many fire calls which are non-emergency calls. Nobody is in imminent peril. If you drop your extremely urgent work to put up traffic cones because there's a tree down on some back road, you're doing a terrible job of balancing this.

      We had a press operator who was like that. Any time his fire radio squawked he was out the door. Because he was a press operator this meant several things: 1) the people downstream from him in the work cycle ended up with nothing to do - the paper cutter can't cut unprinted paper, the binders / gluers / folders can't fold uncut paper, the packagers can't box up and ship unfinished product. 2) when he started the print back up again, the press often was not shut down very well, it wasn't properly cleaned, sometimes paper or ink was still in the press, etc. 3) even when 1 and 2 were not factors, interrupting a print run and starting it up again causes a lot of wasted materials; it takes a while on presses of that era to get the colors right, you might spend as long as an hour getting the ink evenly distributed, registration aligned properly, and the right amount of ink being put down (this was affected by many factors such as the kind of paper, but also, including temperature, humidity, and the viscosity of the particular can of ink you opened, so you couldn't just use yesterday's settings, or even always settings from a few hours ago). A lot of material gets thrown out while you're walking those settings in, never mind the time it takes.

      They had to set limits with the guy, only calls of a certain severity, only after a certain number of calls, etc. It wasn't that they wanted someone whose house was on fire to have to wait 10 more minutes while his possessions were destroyed, it was just that this press operator did a terrible job of balancing work / volunteer obligations. He fought them over the limits (eg, claiming he was being singled out) and eventually forced a corporate policy such that those other volunteers in the company who were doing a good job of balancing their commitments now lost that control over which fire calls they could respond to. And whereas the company used to quietly forgive the time on their timecard (basically paying them to be at a fire call), now that they had an official policy, that policy was very strict about pay practices during a call (for liability reasons, if they're paying you and you get injured, that may end up being worker's comp).

  38. Re:What? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    Because my boss is still living in the 20th Century, my paycheck still comes by mail. We've been hounding him for years to get direct deposit, but he's old-fashioned and hard-headed.

    I told him one time that I banked online and shopped online, and he asked if that was safe. I told him it was as safe as my paycheck sitting in an unlocked metal box in front of my house for up to a day. I don't think he got it even then.

  39. Re:What? by hellop2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    In forensic circles it's known as a "Ferric Semi-sealed Dihydrogenmonoxide Phase Change Apparatus".

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  40. Fedex isn't any better by Aereus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked at a Fedex sorting facility for 2 days through a temp service. I can assure you the same type of manhandling occurred there as well. Guys were heaving boxes out of the trucks sometimes up to 5ft through the air before they hit the belt and tumbled over several times.

    Ironically enough, 35% of what we unloaded that day were PCs and monitors from the vendor I had worked for that past summer. We wondered why we kept getting customer complaints of unseated video cards, HDDs, etc. I went back the next summer and told them about what happened at Fedex, and was told there was nothing they could expect to change except extra securing for the innards of the PCs...

  41. Re:What? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Forsooth, man, cans't not your trusty vassal deliver a simple epistle without knavish tampering?

  42. Re:What? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    (All joking aside, sealing wax is one of those things that I suspect, unless yours is impregnated with a dispersion of certified-unique-per-instance coded microdots or something[incidentally, given the demand for supply-chain verification in pharmaceutics and the like, you could probably actually add those to sealing wax pretty cheaply...] a professional could get past surprisingly quickly and quietly; but is sufficiently rare and idiosyncratic that it would drive up the human labor requirements of widespread mail-tapping. That's the tricky thing with physical mail: almost anybody who cares to can invent a (probably weak; but has to be broken manually) ad-hoc sealing scheme comparatively easily. If there were thousands of homebrew crypto systems(mostly bad; but sufficiently weird that you'd need to call an analyst over for 10 minutes to think about them a bit) floating around in common use, cracking packets open would be similarly annoying...)

  43. Re:The End of USPS by alexhs · · Score: 2

    What is your point ?

    Maybe you should use statistics that matter, or use more than one and explain how you combine them.

    Percentage of urban population by country

    This statistic is more relevant than yours because distribution network works as a a mesh network of hubs, followed by a star network for delivery, and not some kind of globally meshed network.
    Due to economies of scale, the mesh network costs less to operate, so the most relevant aspect of operating costs is the efficiency of the star network, which improves with local population density, independantly from the global, average population density.

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  44. The Wal-Mart model by anyaristow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A private service comes in and competes only for the simple jobs- they refuse service to anywhere tricky. As all their deliveries are simple, they can massively undercut the national service on these jobs, depriving the service of it's main revenue stream.

    You just described the Wal-Mart business model. They don't really compete with flower shops, pharmacies, craft stores, toy stores, etc. They don't offer the same depth of choice or quality or service. But they siphon off enough of their customers--the ones buying the common, cheap, bulk basics, and requiring little service--to turn them unprofitable.

  45. Level of service to private residence? by Walter+White · · Score: 2

    One thing I never hear mentioned is the level of service to private residences. When I grew up (ca 1950-60) we had a mail box on our front porch and many had slots in their door. The mailman walked up to each door to deliver. At present we have a mail box across the street that a mail delivery person (no longer a man...) can drive up to and deposit mail. In even newer neighborhoods there are centralized stations where mail can be delivered to a bunch of addresses in one stop. One thing I've never heard is that the USPS is going to reduce the service level to the older neighborhoods to match the level provided in newer areas. Surely it must be more labor intensive to walk door to door than to drive down a street and deliver to boxes that are all on one side of the street.

    I'm sure that would cost jobs, but that's the primary way to save money, isn't it?

  46. Re:What? by edremy · · Score: 2
    Bandwidth is unaffected- you can stuff just as many physical objects in the box as you did before. (In fact, it's going up constantly-think about what a 1' cube box of microSD cards could hold over the years) Just keep sending boxes out at the same rate and you get the same bandwidth

    Latency is your issue here- you've gone from a 86,400,000 ms ping to 172,800,000 ms ping.

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  47. Re:What? by SirGarlon · · Score: 2

    USPS loses about 3-5% of mail, per an unofficial source.

    How much first class mail do they lose though? A hell of a lot less than 3% of my outgoing mail has been lost. More like, one letter so far in the 25 years I've been using postal mail.

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  48. re: UPS and package damage by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have to agree, although I've long since switched to FedEx for most of my package shipping needs.

    UPS uses union labor and FedEx doesn't (at least, last I checked -- because I realize there have been some fights to unionize there in the last few years).

    I'm not necessarily a believer in the idea that union labor is always worse in some way, but I think that tends to be the case when you're talking about relatively unskilled labor. Basically, you've got a scenario where the people doing basic, manual labor (loading and unloading of boxes at sorting facilities, etc.) are protected against punishment for wrongdoing in the workplace by layers of bureaucracy. (EG. Shop foreman can't just fire some guy on the spot if he witnesses him flying into a rage and stomping his boot through a customer's "FRAGILE: HANDLE WITH CARE!" box on the shop floor. He has to go through some union-mandated disciplinary procedure that probably means, at the very least, the employee just receives some kind of verbal warning for the first offense.)

    Plus, I'm not impressed with UPS based on personal stories told to me by former UPS employees themselves. For example, one of my buddies used to work at a UPS facility where he said boxes were regularly stacked up into 6 foot high walls, regardless of any warnings printed on them. When a truck would come in, someone would yell "Tear 'em down!" and they'd knock over the walls, letting boxes fall all over the concrete floor, for people to sort through and load up.

    FedEx isn't perfect.... I once had them absolutely destroy a music synthesizer I was shipping to Canada, and then fight me for weeks about paying the insurance claim on it. But overall, I think they have a better track record of getting boxes to destinations on time and in one piece. Additionally, they have a better arrangement for receivers of packages if they're not available to sign for the delivery. Unlike UPS, it's easy to go to a FedEx facility in person, in the evening, and sign for and pick up your delivery.

  49. Defense in depth: 7 steps to detect mail tampering by tomhudson · · Score: 2

    Defense 1 - Use glitter. Sprinkle it inside any envelope you want to protect. Anyone opening the envelope is going to positively HATE you for the next week - that stuff gets everywhere!

    Defense 2 - Encode a message as tiny colored dots on the paper - anyone seeing the dots will assume it's just more glitter that didn't get cleaned off;

    Defense 3 - Make it easy to detect the envelope has been switched or opened by ... you guessed it ... MORE glitter, on the envelope sealing strip (use envelopes with a self-adhesive strip). Sprinkle at random, shake off what you can, photograph the resulting pattern. Send the photograph via email. (Note: This method is used to detect tampering with nuclear warheads under international agreements - if it's good enough to be verifiable by both Uncle Sam and Uncle Joe, it's good enough for you);

    Defense 4 - SWAK at the bottom of the letter, or the reverse side - and photograph that as well. It's very hard to match - they have to get the lip pattern, position, and the lipstick color just right. If they try to just "print it", that's easily detected, since it won't smudge when rubbed;

    Defense 5 - "This doesn't smell like it's from her" - use a (very VERY) small amount of your usual perfume (guys, substitute your after-shave or cologne - remember - very VERY small amount);

    Defense 6 - Coffee ring. A light, broken ring of coffee or tea, off in a corner - with a different mug each time. Don't slop the mug - just dab a bit of coffee in several areas on the bottom rim, and "stamp" your letter. Again. hard to duplicate, send photo of same. Bonus points if you use lemon juice instead (only shows up when heated).

    Defense 7 - Put the REAL message buried in the photos, not the letter.

  50. Re:What? by KingMotley · · Score: 2

    The bandwidth is nearly unchanged, it's the latency that's gotten worse.

  51. USPS is NOT losing money! by bussdriver · · Score: 2

    USPS has been SELF funding by law for a long while. It is not losing money.

    The USPS has been doing record 'business' but their losses are due to the GOP forcing them by law to pay for their pensions IN ADVANCE many decades (I think it was 45 years) in advance! This added an instant MASSIVE cost which makes their operating expenses be negative for years.

    The mail is a public service; if it can't effectively be run non-profit then it has to be run AT A LOSS; just as it was when the FOUNDERS created it-- it was heavily subsidized back then (and for over a century.) The mailman used to be thought of as another public servant, like the fireman or policeman-- but unlike those, there was a fee for use (can you imagine the taxpayer cost and amount of junk if postage was free?? or how crazy it would be to pay a police of fire bill?? don't pay up, let the house burn...) We put money into police and fire after 9/11. With rising gas costs instead of investing in electric mail trucks we stick like 50 years of future pensions on their tab causing them to lower service, lay off people and raise rates during a depression.

    2010 was the biggest year they ever had; they are not losing demand (ebay, netflix, mortgage issues etc.) Postage prices have RISEN to cover costs in gas etc.

    FedEx costs like $5 to do anything; and the volume is far far lower (not physical volume.) maybe 1 time a week I see that truck on my street. I get 6+ items EVERY DAY on average and I'm as paperless as possible.

    The Republicans being ignorant and ideological have been purposely attacking this well run institution with baseless attacks. Just watch the ignorance displayed in the sadly entertaining reality show "GOP Presidential debates." A few do know better and are just trying to ruin it so a for-profit contributor to create another wonderful monopoly power like AT&T or Comcast because we love them... Instead of arguing we should make internet more like the post office (equal fair packet delivery) we are trying to prevent it from becoming a hostage to private mega corps (whose 'product' is in extremely high demand with no real competition making it a poor market for pop economics.)

    I'm in no way connected to the USPS.