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Opera 11.60 'Tunny' Released With Ragnarök HT
First time accepted submitter iZarKe writes "Version 11.60 of Opera Browser for Desktop was released today. Significant changes: the inclusion of their new HTML5 rendering engine "Ragnarök", a revamped address bar, full ECMAScript 5.1 support, support for CSS3 Radial Gradients (finally), and a very revamped Mail panel. Originally, these features were set to be released with their next major version, 12.00. However, due to more work needed for the hardware acceleration feature also to be included in Opera 12, the 11.60 intermediary release came to be, as they didn't want to hold back the other new features for that long a time."
I started with IE, moved to Mozilla, migrated to Firefox, became disillusioned and switched to Chrome.
Then I started using Opera and now all is well again, much like the switch from IE to Mozilla.
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Best browser ever!
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Being the default browser of dozens of smartphones, selling themselves on the Wii console, etc.?
Opera make more than enough to keep themselves going, even if you can't "see" it. Hell, their entire Opera Link & Opera Turbo facilities must cost a bomb to run as it is. They'd have gone under long ago if they weren't making money.
I have to say, after only using it for about 10 minutes, and using the developer tools, very nifty! Plus, it makes it easy to send custom-made http requests, including inserting your own headers and content body.
With firefox, there's an extension for that called Poster.
Search engine deals like with Firefox, but also Opera is HUGE in mobile and embedded boxes. Their browser is in many of those hotel tv's and stuff like that (saw the Opera logo a few times when it was starting up)
Release notes are always better when sung to a festive tune http://youtu.be/4TlPU0QWv6g [Opera's Bruce Lawson giving a moving rendition of 11.60]
Please define "doesn't work".
I just navigated there, clicked on the sliding fancy menus, clicked on a video, played it, etc. and couldn't see anything that "didn't" work.
Nor could I spot anything wrong before I installed this version of Opera this morning, and have been using Youtube with Opera for years. I don't even do anything like user-agent faking any more (haven't needed that for years now).
I love Opera
Dammit, I don't want one program that does everything. I have to imagine how awesome Opera Browser would be if they weren't also focused on a mail client. And vice versa.
"My God...it's full of trolls!"
Works fine for me and I haven't even updated to 11.60 yet.
Opera is one browser I have always wanted to like and make my primary browser but have never been successful in doing it. The browser is fast and has great features but a few things have always prevented me from making it my primary browser -
1. No RSS live bookmarks. Once I got a taste of live RSS bookmarks in Firefox, it was hard for me to read RSS feeds in any other way, no Google Reader, no RSS reader would do it. I don't want to open a separate window/program and pile up RSS feeds in there. I love it the way it is in Firefox. You just read them in a drop down menu off the bookmarks bar and they automatically get discarded as new ones come in.
2. Website compatibility - This may not be Opera's fault but nevertheless it works against them. Lot of sites still don't work right in Opera and some flat out refuse to proceed unless some other browser is used.
3. Per site default zoom level - These days screens have high resolutions. Lot of sites show up as very small text (Tom's Hardware is one, another in NY Times). In Chrome when you zoom a website, it remembers it forever. The next time you go to the website, Chrome shows it at the zoom level you set earlier. It remembers different zooms for different web pages. Opera has just one global default zoom setting that applies to all websites and actually lot of websites look terrible when zoomed in Opera (try Tom's Hardware). Also, Opera's rendering of input search boxes get screwed up when a web page is zoomed. Try editing a query on Google when the web page is zoomed and you'll understand what I mean.
If they fix these three issues, I would make it my main browser immediately. For now it has to be Chrome (sigh!).
I'm willing to bet that you've got an address blocked that is now "needed". Had the same thing happen and actually assumed the same thing, but yeah, not Opera's fault, it was some Doubleclick address I believe.
I've been using Opera for many, many years and they are constantly innovating. The were the first browser that I know of with tabbed browsing, the first with the speed dial, among many other features. The browser has a built in mail client, which I use mainly for reading RSS feeds, which is nice because it keeps the entire history of the feed, and it also has a built in BitTorrent client, which has been convenient on a few occasions when sites have BitTorrent download links. It supports extensions, but they aren't quite as advanced as Firefox extensions, although from a security standpoint that might be a good thing and installing them doesn't require a browser restart. Opera Link is great for syncing up your bookmarks, history, speed dial, etc with all your other Opera browsers (desktop and laptop for example). Opera Turbo is similar to Amazon's Silk browser feature to use a compressing proxy, although Opera Turbo can actually detect a slow connection and only use the feature when it needs to and then only when it is turned on. I haven't really messed with Opera Unite, but it seems like a pretty cool feature which allows you to basically set up a limited web server on your own computer for sharing files, broadcasting a web cam, accessing your home media library remotely, among other things. Back in the day I had to have another browser on standby because there were many pages Opera didn't work with, now it is very rare to find pages that don't work with Opera, plus Opera supports masking the browser as IE and Firefox for those pages that perform browser checking and tell you that your using an unsupported browser.
If you haven't tried Opera, give it a try, you might be pleasantly surprised at how advanced and slick it is.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/
This works on all my addons, and as a benefit, speeds up whitelisting for the general public.
Luckily stuff like Firebug and NoScript routinely release versions that work even in the nightlies - have for as long as I've used them.
I believe there's some work on trying to make compatibility checks more flexible, but I'm feeling too sick and sleepy to try finding relevant bugs, if any.
-- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"'
Gestures. Use the mouse to back, forward, close tabs, open tabs, refresh, etc
Fast. The back button reloads the page from cache - without having to re-post form data!! (duh, chrome)
Tabs - the tab state is saved - even if you suddenly pull the power cable from the back of your computer
Never let a mediocre career stand in the way of a good time
And selling the engine for other things. Adobe used (uses?) Opera for Creative Suite. I think it powers the help system or some part of the menu system in that. I would imagine there are other similar uses that I've just never heard of.
1 (short ton / firkin) = 89.1432354 slugs / keg
I don't use a ton of extensions (maybe ~5) but the versioning problem is trivial to work around.
Type about:config into the address bar, make a new boolean named extensions.checkCompatibility.8.0 and set it to false.
That disables all version checks, the downside is you'll probably have to make a new 9.0 boolean when that comes out in a few months and any truly broken extensions could cause you headaches but they can still be disabled or uninstalled as usual. Annoying? A bit, but it's worthwhile if you like Firefox.
The one or two extensions I use that were "broken" by versioning have remained fully functional through two Firefox version increments without any updates from the extension developers using that method.
Here is Opera's response to this question:
http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/01/03/how-does-opera-make-money-aka-our-most-asked-question-ever
(for those of you who don't feel like clicking on the link, it provides a short answer with a link to a longer answer. The short answer has something to do with underpants)
I'm starting to become annoyed at Firefox too, but I really like to "pick and pick well" on the tools I use. I just tried Opera now, and my gmail buttons got all bunched up. Yes, a couple clicks made them unbunch later, but still. On a small webpage I am working on, for a while it was perfect in FF and it broke in Opera. Just little things, hard to remember. So I keep going back to Firefox.
Opera's default search seems to be Bing - Microsoft. So what do we think about that?
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Hmm, I use Adblock in Opera and youtube worked just fine last night. Also have Ghostery and PeerBlock with blocking of advertiser IPs, so somehow I doubt that is the problem. Which list you use might change that, though.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
Opera's default search seems to be Bing - Microsoft. So what do we think about that?
Opera's search features are one of the most simple and time-saving features. You can click in the address bar and type "g", then what you want to search for, and it will search for that term on Google. There are several quick searches like that built-in, and it's easy to make your own. If you go to php.net, for example, and see the search field in the upper-right, you can right-click in that field and select Create Search. I used the keyword "p", so if I type "p file get contents" into the URL then it takes me to the manual page for that function on php.net. There's a search field on the top of this page also, if you want to create a quick search for Slashdot. And, as always, if you type "/." into the URL it takes you right here. Quick search keywords for wikipedia and youtube are great ways to save time when I'm trying to waste time online.
I haven't seen Bing as the default search though, if I highlight words and right-click, the Search item takes me to Google. I may have changed that at some point though.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Firefox has been able to do this for long time.
That's nice. Maybe there's a nice Firefox thread where you can spread that knowledge. Or we can compare change logs to figure out who had it first if you're into that type of thing. My money is on Opera.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
I think the new YouTube layout is great, by the way.
Firefox copied it from Opera...
But what does the UI overhaul have to do with Ragnar Danneskjöld? Some veiled comment on piracy, perhaps?
Firefox (and Chrome, and IE, and Safari) copied pretty much everything from Opera. Tabbed browsing, searching from the address bar, mouse gestures, pop-up blocking, etc., etc., all that was in Opera first (sometimes several years before the others).
No no no no no. Apple first. Apple first. [rocks back and forth]
Hold right mouse button, then click left. That's Back function.
Hold left mouse button, then click right. That's Forward function.
I can't live without those anymore!
All major browsers (and even most minor ones) can do that.
Mada mada dane.
Addon compatibility reporter is more convenient/flexible IMO.
-- perl -e'print pack"H*","6e656d6f406d38792e6f7267"'
Opera's default search seems to be Bing - Microsoft. So what do we think about that?
Not sure if it's changed recently, but Opera was actually using split defaults... Google in the search box to the right of the address bar and Bing on the Speed Dial search box.
You can change these default by bring up Preferences with CRTL+F12, then going to the Search tab. Click on a search engine and you can set it as the Search box or Speed Dial default.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Firefox add-ons will soon be compatible by default with new versions: https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Features/Add-ons/Add-ons_Default_to_Compatible and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692664
2019 is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop.
Yes, but what's your point? If I'm going to use Opera, it won't be because it's "the original", it'll be because it has the best features and user experience of modern browsers. It's not like you're going to use Mosaic because it was the first graphical browser.
That said, I'll check out 11.60. Opera has enough rabid fans that I check it out every now and then, but so far I've always gone back disappointed.
If you can't convince them, convict them.
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Since it wasn't a hyperlink, just plain text, those of us using Opera selected it, right clicked, and clicked "Go to Web address".
http://tinyurl.com/7yyknry
Go ahead, turn previews on. It's not goatse, it's just a javascript/DHTML benchmark.
I've not upgraded yet, (aptitude will sort it out at midnight) but it didn't crash Opera 11.52. It drew a fractal in Javascript. It was about 25% slower than Chromium, and took a similar amount of RAM -- over 500MB. If your PC appears to crash perhaps it doesn't have enough RAM and is swapping?
Firefox had done 25% of it by the time I gave up waiting.
Unbelievably fast. I have not used Opera in quite a while, and I just installed it to try it. It is even faster than Chrome, which seemed extremely fast compared to Firefox when I first installed it. I am running a 6 core AMD machine, and Opera basically instantly opens everything. You can't really tell that it "loads" the page just changes to the next right when you click. Amazing. My only gripe, and it's a big one, is that Opera is not open source. That might be a deal breaker.
I'm using Opera on Linux. I've upgraded to 11.60 for you, and it's running the test now. ... it took 180s (faster than before), and about 500MB was freed when I closed the tab. I'm not doing anything special, so unless there's a difference between Windows and Linux I have no idea what it could be.
"Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9400 @ 2.66GHz" if anyone cares.
Firefox (and Chrome, and IE, and Safari) copied pretty much everything from Opera.
This is just wrong. By now, each browser has copied a lot of features from the others, but all of the major browsers had a "killer feature" that caused a lot of people to switch and allowed it to gain traction.
Firefox: very lightweight, excellent extension support
Opera: rendering speed, some advanced features
Chrome: stability (separate process for each tab, plugin), JavaScript speed
IE, Safari: come preinstalled with the OS, well integrated
Note that none of this is unique to the particular browser anymore, and some of those don't even apply anymore.
oh, please, please, i hope the address bar has been revamped to what it was before... without that stupid url parameter de-lighting in annoying, barely readable grey font
Rich
It bothers me how Google undersupports Opera and how much effect it has on usability of their services. Plus is not working very well, for example the translation of link inserted into new stream entry does not work as in other browsers, Picasa is just lame in it, extensive usage of Javascript in Gmail can make the responses slow sometimes... Opera has to update the browser.js to make it work at least somehow.
However I love the way how can I customize Youtube with extensions or usersrcipts, how add blocking works (btw here's a generator for common ad source in many formats, one of them is Opera's urlfilter.ini here http://pgl.yoyo.org/as/ It completely different experience to surf the web with ads blocked or not.
Microsoft services like Technet and MSDN forums are also crippled in Opera but I know it is not Opera's fault.
Opera is unbeaten in working with lots of tabs - try working with 30+ tabs in other browsers and compare the speed and responsiveness of the user interface. Opera link is just great - there is simply no need for services like Readitlater on Instapaper if you have Opera Mini or Mobile on your phone / tablet, the bookmarks just sync there too. If it has problems it is most probably Flash error or situation where too many extensions and/or userscripts are processing the page.
I miss just better session manager preferably with syncing via Link.
In the case of tabbed browsing, over a decade before the others.
I wasn't aware of that. So far, I've been unable to find a way to replicate the ability to create custom searches of any website that you can GET or POST to in a browser other than Opera.
Just looked through the Chrome and Firefox menus and there's nothing. If it's functionality provided by addons, is there a name associated with it so I can actually find them?
Using Ghostery and "plugins disabled until clicked" setting in Opera 11.51. Site works flawlessly. What's broken?
I use DuckDuckGo (mostly). They offer the following very simple directions, for your convenience:
Add to Opera
1. Right-click the DuckDuckGo search box (in the page).
2. Select Create Search.
3. Enter d for keyword.
4. Check Use as default search engine and Use as speed dial search engine (if you wish).
5. Click OK.
It's all right there on the main page, under the search field.
The funny thing about DuckDuckGo is that it uses Bing, which most Slashdotters hate and say returns crap results. Still they happily tell everyone to use DuckDuckGo ;-)
Assuming Gabriel Weinberg is true to his advertised privacy policy—and I accept this at present—that would make DuckDuckGo an engine for conducting Bing searches via proxy.
They're welcome to use any backend they like as far as I'm concerned.
Combining this with google's I'm feeling lucky search is quite powerful. A lot of times you know where you want to go, but don't remember the exact URL. If you have gg as I'm feeling lucky shortcut, just write gg company name or gg site name and there you go.
Only dumb birds land downwind.
Oh, whoops. I completely overlooked half the subject line, sorry.
some of those don't even apply anymore.
Right, like this one:
Firefox: very lightweight
This isn't about "killer features" though, the fact is that the "advanced features" you listed for Opera are all of the features that the other browsers are now selling. They *did* copy those features from Opera, at least in the sense that Opera thought of them first. We're not talking about a browser trying to improve Javascript speed because Chrome is fast, we're talking about specific features like gestures, searching from the address bar, and tabbed browsing. We can say "well every browser does that now", which is mostly true, but the fact remains that Opera did it first. Like The Simpsons.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
Yes, but what's your point? If I'm going to use Opera, it won't be because it's "the original", it'll be because it has the best features and user experience of modern browsers.
That IS the point: you can use the features now in Opera that you'll be enjoying in other browsers in the next few months or years.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
What URL do you use for that search?
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
In Firefox you can right click on a search text box and select 'Add a Keyword for this search' to do it. No add-ons required.
http://www.google.fi/search?q=%s&btnI=ChuckNorris
Opera replaces %s with the query string.
Only dumb birds land downwind.
Haha, Chuck Norris. I tried "Lucky" for the button and that wasn't working. With the Google Instant turned on I couldn't even click on the lucky button. Thanks.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
It's normally "I'm Feeling Lucky". I guess "ChuckNorris" is an easter egg that does the same thing.
E.g. you could bookmark this in Firefox:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
Given that Opera has always been the lightest weight I am pretty shocked you would say that Firefox was the lightest weight. Maybe there is some new calibration metric here I am not familiar. So is he a lightweight then? Sigh, so much recalibration work to do.
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Thanks for the reply. I never would have thought to look for it under bookmarks. A bit too transparent for my taste, but at least the functionality exists.
I have to say though, it still can't replace how I use them in Opera. Being able to highlight anything, right-click, and choose any custom search to send the selected item to is a massive time saver for me. It basically turns any text into a three-click custom hyperlink to any resource I want.
That's different from the abllity to stage it on one's Bookmark toolbar that the GP was presumably refering to, which Firefox had from I think v2, and which IE only added in v8, along w/ Webslices. Unfortunately, nobody else has it - not Opera, not Safari, not Konqueror, not Epiphany. I would be curious to know whether Chrome. Rekonq, Camino, Midori or Vespucci support it.
Advantage of this feature - no need to open a separate application (like Akregator in KDE); whenever new feeds are available, the feed gets emboldened in the Bookmarks bar itself, and one can then check it out when ready. That's one of the first things I look for in a browser, aside from its being HTML5 enabled (problem w/ Flash is that it limits you to 10MB for storage cache, unless one is willing to dedicate the entire disk for that. I wish Flash had been updated to increase those maximum limits 100 fold, aside from the full disk space)
Actually the text changes depending on your language, so it doesn't matter. The variable name is the key. btnG for normal search, btnI for I feel lucky.
Only dumb birds land downwind.
Don't get me wrong, I like Opera, but for those of us in Chrome: triple-click, right click, select "go to http://etc/ etc"
That only works when there's an actual search box though. Many of the things I use the functionality for have no search. It's simply a key replacement in any URL I want, so the "quick way" in Firefox would be irrelevant to me in most of the contexts I use the function in. It's creating a search mechanism where none exists on the site, or to do something that isn't easily replicable through the search engine.
Granted, that lets you pick from installed search engines, and adding a search engine to Firefox isn't quite as easy as adding a keyword search bookmark.
That's the key though. Being able to create a new search mechanism with a couple clicks and having it instantly integrated into the context menu is a massive time saver for me.