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TSA Facing Death By a Thousand Cuts

OverTheGeicoE writes "The Transportation Security Administration is getting a lot of negative attention, much of it from the U.S. government itself. A recent congressional report blasted the TSA for being incompetent and ineffective (PDF). A bill to force the TSA to reduce its screening of active duty U.S. military members and their families was approved unanimously by the House of Representatives. After a TSA employee was arrested for sexually assaulting a woman while in uniform, a bill has been introduced to prevent TSA agents from wearing police-style uniforms and badges or using the title 'officer.' The bill's sponsor calls these practices 'an insult to real cops.' The FBI is getting involved by changing its definition of rape in a way that might expose the TSA's 'enhanced pat-down' screeners to prosecution. Lastly, public support for the TSA's use of X-ray body scanners drops dramatically when people realize there is a cancer risk."

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  1. Oh look, the pendulum. It swings back. by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now if only America wasn't tied down in the pit underneath it.

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  2. Friggen finally by gman003 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Must be an election year coming up, because the government's actually doing shit about stuff we've been complaining about for the past... two, three years?

    1. Re:Friggen finally by PopeAlien · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe they just realized that Santa Claus is watching

    2. Re:Friggen finally by Mike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, they're really not doing anything. As usual, they're only giving the illusion of doing something.

      Which is good, since when they actually do something, it's invariably a disaster.

    3. Re:Friggen finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The TSA was formed in 2002, so unless you were pre-emtively complaining there's no need to keep going after nine years.

      Huh? It's almost 2012, so if TSA formed in 2002, it's certainly over nine years. I don't know what you count as formation, but the TSA counts it from the Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001. As far as preemptive complaints, I have no idea how old you are, but I was complaining about airport screening being stupid for at least a decade before 9/11. Before TSA it was a bunch of low paid hoodlums taking revenge on well off travelers. Long lines and rude behavior were common. We were told TSA would be more professional. They are, but they're more professional at being jerks.

    4. Re:Friggen finally by chimerafun · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've gotta be more specific this describes every president since Teddy Roosevelt

  3. About Time! by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The TSA is the only agency hated more that the IRS. Considering the head start the IRS had, that is an impressive achievement!

    1. Re:About Time! by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but despite being created to pay for the Civil War, and then being found unconstitutional, they tossed in the 16th amendment to keep the IRS going. Wonder how long it will be before a TSA amendment is passed. "For the good of the Homeland and Security unto the people under its care..."

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    2. Re:About Time! by peragrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The IRS brings Income in.

      The TSA is spending it like a waterfall on stuff that even DARPA says doesn't work and shouldn't be funded.

      The TSa will soon become another under funded agency.

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    3. Re:About Time! by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "For the good of the Homeland and Security unto the people under its care..."

      "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our Homeland."

      And thus, the Gestapo was formed, and there was much rejoicing.

    4. Re:About Time! by gblfxt · · Score: 5, Informative

      "Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship. ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

      Hermann Göring

    5. Re:About Time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The TSA is the only agency hated more that the IRS. Considering the head start the IRS had, that is an impressive achievement!

      Agreed. A big reason I hate TSA never seems to be reported on: theft. I'm a frequent flyer (several times per month) for over a decade now, so I have a good sample size here. Ever since TSA was created, I've regularly had shit stolen from my luggage. I never had this happen to me a single time before TSA. It's so bad I never check in my bag unless I absolutely have to, but sometimes I have no choice. Last year, for example, when coming home for Christmas, some jackass in TSA stole all the Christmas presents I bought for my family that I had to put in my check-in bag. I've given up on reporting this because they just don't care. I've never had any thing stolen out of my luggage returned to me and never been given any indication that there was any follow up. I doubt they even report it for their statistics.

    6. Re:About Time! by vix86 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This was brought up on here once before and there was a good solution to this. Go get yourself a gun carrying license first. Get a gun or simply by a part of a gun, like the barrel. Get a gun carrying case with a lock. Also get a heavy duty lock for your bag. When you travel and don't want something stolen from your bag, bring the piece. Tell the counter you are checking a gun (part). Even gun pieces are treated like a whole gun. If TSA wants to check the bag they will need to do it while in front of you, after that you can lock the suit case and they won't be able to open the suitcase after that. This is the gist of it.

      I don't know how posted this, but I read it on here and found it to be a very good idea.

  4. Hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'an insult to real cops.'

    Perhaps, if they way cops keep handling these occupy movements are any indication, they don't need any help making themselves look bad.

  5. My Pet Rock Is Better by cosm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many terrorist have they caught? The same amount as my pet rock. Comparing the 'terrorist caught/money spent' ratio of pet rocks vs. the entirety of the TSA, if I were a venture capitalist I'd be looking for the next bright mind to bring these geological vanguards to market. They'd do at least a good job as the TSA, cost less, and as an added bonus airports might be more enjoyable. And they don't infringe on civil liberties. And they don't pretend to effect powers they do not really have. And they will not unionize.

    Motherfucking pet rocks are more efficient than the TSA.

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    1. Re:My Pet Rock Is Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Motherfucking pet rocks are more efficient than the TSA.

      With the added advantage pet rocks keep tigers away too.

      Number of terrorists caught by the TSA - ZERO. Number of US Constitutional violations are literally countless and purposely obfuscated. Number of government agency charters which were illegally violated with the creation of Homeland Security, ALL of whom Homeland Security now oversees. Would Homeland Security been able to stop 9/11 today? Absolutely not! The SOLE purpose of Homeland Security is dirty tricks, dirty politics, funnel massive funds into the top 1%, and to "legally" violate the US Constitution.

      If our Founding Fathers were alive and in power right now, most of the US government would literally be hanging from a tree or stand in front of a firing squad right now. And that's not hyperbole.

      If you support Dems or Republican parties, you hate America and spit on our Founding Fathers.

    2. Re:My Pet Rock Is Better by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and that's not including knives

      What exactly is this obession with 'sharps' on board anway? What exactly could a 'terrorist' do if they managed to smuggle a hunting (or x-acto) knife on board? I can see the value of banning guns and bombs - They could take down an aircraft - But what exactly can someone do with a knife? I realize the 9/11 hijackers took the planes down with boxcutters, but the paradigm has changed... If someone stood up with a knife today, not only would they not get into the cockpit, the other passengers would beat them to death with the drinks trolley.

    3. Re:My Pet Rock Is Better by Volante3192 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Puh-lease. Al Qaeda doesn't have to do shit to us anymore. Just have someone whisper "mosque!!" and you get half the country peeing their pants.

      If anyone wanted to cause megadeaths in the US, I can roll off the top of my head dozens of ways not involving airplanes or airports. Yet there hasn't been anything like that, nothing even hinting at that. You know why? Death is not what they're after. They're after terror, and they won. They won and those like you are letting them keep their victory by cowering like the little yellow bellied chickenshit you are.

      You don't deserve this country.

  6. I don't get this... by Leebert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A bill to force the TSA to reduce its screening of active duty U.S. military members and their families was approved unanimously by the House of Representatives.

    This is silly. Either you do screening, or you don't. Complete ineptness of the TSA aside for argument's sake, if you take the concept of operations for the TSA at its face they're not just looking for active and willing attackers, they're also looking for unwitting attackers. (That's why you screen Grandma in her wheelchair -- How does Grandma know nobody slipped an explosive onto her person or possessions somehow without her realizing it?)

    If you're allowing military through, why not the 800,000 people with TS clearances? Or police? Or...? And how do you know that the person is a member of the military? And even if they are, it's not a foregone conclusion that they're automatically safe. (Nidal Malik Hasan? Hasan Akba?)

    Screen everyone or screen no one. You're hard-pressed to make a rational risk argument if you're not doing that.

  7. Re:Oh look, the pendulum. It swings back. by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Roman Empire lasted in some form until the fall of Constantinople. Also, "managably sized units" is not a good reason to split a nation--delegation and limited local governance is possible, and in fact is embodied in our systems of state and local government. Caesar noted that Management of the few was generally the same as management of the many, IIRC. You can have a million people in a city, they have some interests that will be different than those in the countryside, and you need a way to reconcile those interests into a common social contract when it is appropriate--failure to do that raises transaction costs and take value away from pretty much everyone.

    In addition, small government *does not* protect against corruption. State governments are far more corrupt than the federal government.

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  8. Re:Oh look, the pendulum. It swings back. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Also, "managably sized units" is not a good reason to split a nation--delegation and limited local governance is possible, and in fact is embodied in our systems of state and local government.

    What we have here is a conflict between theory and practice. In theory, it shouldn't matter how large the government is, because you can break it up into smaller regional units that govern themselves to a large extent, and let the top level government only handle affairs that concern the entire nation as a whole. In practice, it doesn't work. The national government draws more and more power to itself over time, increasing its size and duties, until every single issue has to be decided on the national level instead of allowing different regions to do things differently. Then lots of infighting results because people from different regions with different local cultures can never agree on all the issues and constantly fight over them at every election, continuously changing the law back in forth as different groups gain a slight majority and have the ability to alter the law, and do this instead of focusing on new issues. Meanwhile, as "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely", the greater concentration of power in the larger nation and its national government draws more corruption (since obviously, that corruption has higher potential profit; what good is it going to do for you to bribe some government official in Andorra, for instance?), and corruption increases exponentially.

    In addition, small government *does not* protect against corruption. State governments are far more corrupt than the federal government.

    Right, that's why corporate lobbyists spend so much time and money there trying to pass laws and get defense contracts. Try again. Smaller governments have less potential for corruption to be profitable for those who engage in it. As I said before, what good would it do you to bribe someone in Andorra's government? If you're some corporate lobbyist, not much, because there's not many people there and not much money flowing through it, compared to the USA.

    The Roman Empire lasted in some form until the fall of Constantinople.

    It's hard to say the Roman Empire "lasted" after the city of Rome was sacked. Yes, another smaller empire lasted for some time after the fall of Rome, but it wasn't the Roman Empire, it was an offshoot of it in a different region. That would be similar to the USA collapsing, and Alaska continuing to call itself "the USA" even though the rest of the nation either became smaller independent nations or were annexed by Mexico or Canada. Just like USA/Alaska, Constantinople wasn't even originally part of the Roman Empire, it was conquered later when they grew really large. AFAIC, you can't have something called "the Roman Empire" if it doesn't include the Italian peninsula and most especially the city of Rome. It reminds me of that little rebel Catholic Church organization that calls itself "the real Roman Catholic Church" even though no one else thinks they are.

  9. Re:Oh look, the pendulum. It swings back. by atriusofbricia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "true red-blooded patriots" can think whatever they want, but all their willpower isn't going to overcome basic economics. If the economy collapses, no amount of patriotism or talk of "united we stand!" is going to make it better. Heck, we even have "red-blooded patriots" in many states doing things that are pretty close to outright rebellion against the nation and federal government: many states have passed laws forbidding themselves to follow the Real ID Act, Montana passed a law saying they can make machine guns if they want, stamped "Made in Montana", as long as they aren't sold out-of-state, plainly in direct opposition to BATFE policy, Arizona and the federal government are suing each other over immigration enforcement, etc. It seems like the "red-blooded" ones are the ones itching the most to cause division (not that I disagree with causing division; obviously with these and many other issues, Americans in many regions simply can't agree on anything, so I think it's better to simply break apart so that they don't have to agree).

    Or we could return to the Federal model the US is actually based on instead of this rule from Washington thing we're doing now. Return the States to their rightful place and make the national government small as it should be. Then people can move to the State that best reflects their view of the world. That is how things were supposed to be in the first place, no? :)

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  10. Re:Oh look, the pendulum. It swings back. by artor3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is with interstate commerce. I know libertarians love to blast that part of the Constitution, but it does serve an important purpose. For example, maybe Mississippi decides they want absolutely no environmental protections. Corporations will move their factories there, and start dumping their toxic wastes into the river. Only now the people in New Orleans have to suffer for their neighbors choices. If the states were each independent countries, that sort of thing would lead to serious border conflicts, sanctions, and maybe even war. Instead we have the federal government to unite us and pass nationwide standards. We're already in a race to the bottom with third world nations. The last thing we need is to start a race to the bottom between ourselves.

    Or how about immigration? What if Tennessee decides that they want to let in all comers? Do we build a wall around the state, station guards at every border crossing?

    Or the FCC? As nice as it might be to have different radio standards in Philly, Newark, NYC, and Stamford, the laws of physics don't allow it.

    Entitlements might be better left to the state, but it would be a bureaucratic nightmare tracking people's moves across the nation (so that someone doesn't spend most of their life in a low tax state and retire in a high entitlement state).

    There are some cases where we would be better off giving the states more control, but in many ways the old federal model simply can't work in the modern world.