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Is the Earth Special?

Hugh Pickens writes "Planetary scientists say there are aspects to our planet and its evolution that are remarkably strange. In the first place there is Earth's strong magnetic field. No one is exactly sure how it works, but it has something to do with the turbulent motion that occurs in the Earth's liquid outer core and without it, we would be bombarded by harmful radiation from the Sun. Next there's plate tectonics. We live on a planet that is constantly recycling its crust, limiting the amount of carbon dioxide escaping into the atmosphere — a natural way of controlling the greenhouse effect. Then there's Jupiter-sized outer planets protecting the Earth from frequent large impacts. But the strangest thing of all is our big Moon. 'As the Earth rotates, it wobbles on its axis like a child's spinning top,' says Professor Monica Grady. 'What the Moon does is dampen down that wobble and that helps to prevent extreme climate fluctuations' — which would be detrimental to life. The moon's tides have also made long swaths of earth's coastline into areas of that are regularly shifted between dry and wet, providing a proving ground for early sea life to test the land for its suitability as a habitat. The 'Rare Earth Hypothesis' is one solution to the Fermi Paradox (PDF) because, if Earth is uniquely special as an abode of life, ETI will necessarily be rare or even non-existent. And in the absence of verifiable alien contact, scientific opinion will forever remain split as to whether the Universe teems with life or we are alone in the inky blackness."

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  1. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Didn't the Earth get hit by another planet, causing it to shoot a ton of crust into orbit..creating the moon?

    Clearly, life requires a mars-sized object to hit the planet where life wants to form.

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ..and out crawl the anti-Christian trolls -rolling eyes-. This time of year must get particularly deep under your skin...

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Contrary to popular belief among religious fundamentalists, most atheists are not anti-Christmas. It has become more of a cultural holiday than a religious one anyway; If you asked 100 people at random what Christmas was about, how many do you think would say "the birth of Christ", and how many would say "presents", "family" or "Santa Claus"?

      The people screaming bloody murder about nativity scenes and whatnot are a small but vocal minority. Usually those zealous types are former Christians themselves, the rest of us don't really care.

    3. Re:But... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, but only Earth has a moon we don't "deserve", given our size. No other planet in the solar system has any moon even remotely as large as ours compared to its own mass. At least since Pluto has been demoted.

      Yes, yes, yes, all the things that happened here are so incredibly unlikely to happen... but then again, the universe is incredibly large and here the law of the large number fits perfectly: NO matter how insignificantly unlikely something is, if there is ONE case where it is true and your sample size is (nearly) infinitely large, the chance to find another case is 1.

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    4. Re:But... by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if the probability is infinitesimal, it only has to happen sometime, somewhere, and boom, here we are asking the questions. It's a lot more likely that "DNA just evolved" than "the magic man in the sky just appeared and was smart enough to create DNA".

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    5. Re:But... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Face it, religion is a business. Same as any others, the corner stones are money and power. Only difference to any other ordinary business is that the priorities are reversed.

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    6. Re:But... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What math? That given a lot of time and a lot of try and error something like life will happen on at least one of the 10^$somebignumber planets in the universe?

      It would be interesting to calculate the chances for that, but I'd say it's very close to 1.

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    7. Re:But... by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But if there are a very large number of parallel universes, then the probability is near one that you have a universe that will only have a single true case. :P

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    8. Re:But... by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Face it, religion is a business. Same as any others, the corner stones are money and power. Only difference to any other ordinary business is that the priorities are reversed.

      Yeah, because Tim Tebow makes a fortune doing his charity and missionary work. That whole football thing is just a ruse. Of course, we all know that Tebow, or Colt McCoy or even Baylor's Robert Griffin III would never complete a pass if they didn't serve their time serving others. The receivers would simply refuse to catch the ball. For that matter all the people who sell all their belongings to go help the poor in destitute parts of the world are making a huge investment, trading their belongings for unlimited power and wealth.

      I'm not saying that there are not those that use religion as a business, but they are the exception, not the rule. For every megachurch you see on TV, there are thousands of small town, churches full of people who are not there for money and power. Turn off the 700 Club and go see what real religion is all about. It's not on TV.

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    9. Re:But... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it just gets really old seeing the same joke on every damn thread. It adds nothing to the discussion.

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    10. Re:But... by rthille · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe, but it's pretty obvious that the GP to your post is anti-Christian.

      Just like reality. Ok, reality isn't anti-christian, it's just that christian beliefs are disproved by reality.

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    11. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe, but it's pretty obvious that the GP to your post is anti-Christian.

      Really? I got the impression that it was more anti-evangelical-megachurch. You know, the ones with the guy on TV wearing a $1000 suit, gold wristwatch, and so forth, begging for your money "GIVE! GIIIIIIVE UNTIL IT HUUURRRTS!" so that you can get your ticket into heaven, and he can make the next payment on his $million yacht where he has cuban rent-boys "lift his luggage".

      It's perfectly possible for someone to not be anti-christian, and still think those hypocrites are worthy of scorn. I knew a minister in the United Church who would make jokes about those guys.

    12. Re:But... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is the Earth Special?

      Yes... "short bus" Special if you listen to most of it's inhabitants.

      As for God needing money, stand in your bedroom and toss your money in the air.
      Whatever God wants he'll keep.

      Oh, you forgot, He loves us SO MUCH that he will torture us forever for behaving as we were designed...
      When I make something that doesn't work right I take it apart and fix it, or scrap it and make something else...
      In no case do I put it on my barbeque grill forever.

      yes, I do know you were being sarcastic. me too.

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    13. Re:But... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In short, while most atheists are pretty tolerant people, there is a minority of evangelical fundamentalist atheists who give the rest of that religion a bad name.

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    14. Re:But... by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quick! Your straw man is on fire!!

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    15. Re:But... by Tsingi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How 'bout Einsteins "Magic Man in the Sky"? I recall his profession to the effect of "not believing that there 'couldn't' be a God".

      The whole quote: I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.

      By Spinoza's God he basically means nature, not a religious god. It's hard to resist using Einstein as an authority, but religious people keep missing the boat there. Einstein did not believe in an omniscient god.

      For instance, I know that time is relative. If Genisis' time-frame is relative to Gods perspective we can accept the possibility of 7 days to

      Same applies to 7 seconds or 7 millennia. If you propose that the scale is meaningless, so is any argument referring to it,

      yesterday I even saw something about rats having

      empathy).

      Yes, that was interesting. How come they can't go to heaven then? But people are more concerned about their dogs. If lawyers can go to heaven, why not dogs? :) Human traits like awareness and morality in animals is something most theists would consider the highest form of heresy.

      Like Thomas Jefferson, my faith is know only to me

      and my creator and it involves questioning everything, differentiating between thoughts,feelings,knowledge and belief.

      Jefferson rejected the church. While he did sustain a belief in a higher entity, I tend to believe that were he alive today, with the body of science that we have discovered since his time, it's likely that he would reject this as well.

      Maybe Einstein was on to something there.

      I tend to side with his (Spinozan) humanist notion that the likelihood of the religious god is close to nil. It's unfortunate that people, even great people, associate the wonders of nature with a concept that is so easily misused. Which is why I avoid it.

      The argument that it is impossible to disprove something does not support the argument, it is a statement of uncertainty. There are many things that are uncertain, almost everything in fact. This doesn't have us running around believing in the infinite number of extremely unlikely things. Nor should it. That there is a remote possibility of a god is meaningless in this context. See the teapot argument.

    16. Re:But... by Professr3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's anecdotal, true, but I don't see an "atheists are sooo stupid, can't even see the hand of god in the universe" post on every other Slashdot article - but I *do* see "christians are sooo stupid with their imaginary invisible magic man" posts everywhere. I'm not sure how this makes atheists more generally tolerant than christians. In fact, multiple public posts on unrelated articles calling people stupid for the things they believe in is pretty much the opposite of tolerance...

    17. Re:But... by icebraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Crusades, Inquisition, the Thirty Years' War, the Jihad, 9/11 are just a few examples of what God-fearing people can do. Religion is one of, if not the biggest causes of war and violence. People were fucking burned alive for thought-crime - belonging, or merely being accused, to another religion or to none.

      Religion prevents violence? Ha!

    18. Re:But... by LordLimecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if there is ONE case where it is true and your sample size is (nearly) infinitely large, the chance to find another case is 1.

      Perhaps "nearly 1", but not 1. Case in point: There are infinite counting numbers, but only 1 even prime number (2). Surely with an infinite sample size, by your logic, you would expect multiple examples even primes?

    19. Re:But... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Religion prevents violence? Ha!

      Mankind is violent, have been from the beginning. Religion (or lack thereof) doesn't change it. Atheists have kill MILLIONS in the name of Atheism (USSR, China etc).

      http://www.loyola.edu/amnesty/chinapers.htm

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  2. Moon's effect on earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What a load of crap. I love when they go with old data. A recent study how's that the moons effect over our planets stability is marginal and that, though there would be changes it would not be 'detrimental to life'.

    1. Re:Moon's effect on earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Because life evolved a certain way here, and under certain conditions, doesn't mean that it can't evolve in a different way elsewhere, on possibly more (or less) challenging conditions. As long as you have variations and some selection mechanism, you'll get evolution (within reasonable bounds, of course).

    2. Re:Moon's effect on earth by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For that matter, most of the things in their list are very odd things to choose for a "Rare Earth" argument. Gas giants in the outer solar system- there's no reason to assume that they're rare. Plate tectonics are believed to be a symptom of planet size (so larger-than-Earth rocky planets should have it), and several of Jupiter's moons show tectonic-style surface patterns. A magnetic core- ditto to planet size (where a solid core needs to be formed by pressure), with a possible proviso on planet age and planet chemical composition (influencing how long the core would take to cool). As there are only two Earth-sized planets in the Solar system, it's almost impossible to draw conclusions about frequency of occurrence.

      The Moon is just about the only item in that list which I can agree with as being "rare", and as you say, its influence is debatable.

    3. Re:Moon's effect on earth by TheLink · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think the first problem is to define life :).

      Why can't life evolve inside a star? Stars are very big, so if after billions of years, something inside a star reproduces and evolves to become "more fit", would it still be life, even if it is some sort of self-organizing pattern of plasma and electromagnetic fields?

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    4. Re:Moon's effect on earth by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Insightful

      However even if many planets out there are either like Venus (hot and dense atmosphere) or Mars (thin dry atmosphere) you may be able to see planets that are similar to earth from many aspects, even if they may have a more intense gravity or other differences. But they can probably sustain life.

      It has to appear before it can be sustained. Are there any valid theories about how it started in the first place? The transpermian theory doesn't count, if life came here from somewhere else it had to have started somewhere else; how did it start there?

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  3. Life Adapts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While most planets are obviously not suitable for life, life itself has a strong tendency to overcome the challenges of its environment. Life endures climate fluctuations, extraterrestrial impacts, and even extreme radiation, all here on Earth. While many of these protective characteristics are conducive to the emergence of higher life, life itself has already shown its capacity to adapt and overcome.

    All life really needs is a liquid solvent, energy, and enough time.

    1. Re:Life Adapts by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All life really needs is a liquid solvent, energy, and enough time.

      So where is everybody?

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    2. Re:Life Adapts by Surt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your mistake is in assuming that the starter gun fired at the same time for everyone. That isn't true, we're late to the game. Other planets finished forming and starting up their life engines more than a billion years before ours did. The question is, where are those folks? They should have had plenty of time to fill the galaxy by now.

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    3. Re:Life Adapts by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No FTL? That's a proven fact - how? Those who assume that no possible sentient beings throughout the galaxy have ever built an FTL also ASSume that our knowledge of physics is flawless.

      What we need is another bizarro, like Einstein, to stand the world on it's head. Someone who can look at all those computations, spot a couple of mistakes, draw a few conclusions, and come up with a hypothesis. What if, Einstein were only 85% correct?

      I'm not about to go out on a limb, and say that FTL_is_possible, but neither will I go out on your limb, and say that FTL_is_not_possible.

      I think - not a statement of fact, but an opinion - that FTL is probably possible. There are at least tens of thousands of questions to be answered before it becomes a reality, but I think it's possible. The energy required to power a ship large enough for a crew of ten, and say a hundred passengers would be more than astronomical - but possible.

      And, do you know what? The jury is still out. You can't prove the impossibility, any more than I can prove the possibility. We'd get the same mileage arguing whether there is a god or not.

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  4. Almost as if someone had designed it.... by John3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can already hear the "intelligent design" folks jumping on this topic as proof that we aren't here through random chance but were assembled by some creator. Just as an FYI, the "rare earth hypothesis" has been circulating in the scientific community for many years.

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    1. Re:Almost as if someone had designed it.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually - if there is a God, he could have created life on an infinity of worlds, and separated all the worlds intentionally. The absence or the presence of life and/or intelligent life that is visible to us has absolutely nothing to do with the existence of God. Nothing.

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  5. Cop Out by GeneralTurgidson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the same thing religious leaders expouse, "what we can't explain must be special and unique". In a universe, nothing is unique. Except for snowflakes.

    1. Re:Cop Out by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet you do have to prepare yourself for the fact that it is a possibility. Though the article doesn't say unique, just very rare. Which may be a way of saying, that of the 708 exo-planets so far identified, not a single one may be habitable by life. I believe that's why the topic has come up again now, as a response to the articles claiming we might have found a planet capable of supporting life (like this one).

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  6. Feyman's License Plate Syndrome by jrq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing!"

    Just because our "route" resulted in our "life" situation, doesn't mean that other routes couldn't produce equally valid and viable "life" conditions. We're not that special.

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  7. How is the "Drake Equation" filling in so far? by rbrander · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's exciting about the recent exoplanet work is that we're actually filling in the first few parameters of the Drake Equation. We're getting a grip on how common planets are, and now how common it is for them to be (a) not gas giants and (b) in the right zone around the star. I think those two alone (combined with "how many stars are like ours", which we have known a long time), knock off a good four orders of magnitude - from hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy to tens of millions that are 1) not short-lived stars ; 2) have non-gas-giants that are 3) in the "habitable zone".

    We already know enough from extremophiles on earth that anything with liquid water, practically, is "habitable zone".

    What we can get from just closer examination of our own solar system whether life NOT "as we know it" happens - did it arise in liquid methane, or floating about in Jupiter's atmosphere and all that. And if it does, how complex does it get?

    These "special conditions" may not be necessary for *life*, but they may be necessary for it to bother (sorry, "have reproductive advantage") going past single cells, which biologists still consider a pretty Great Leap Forward.

    It may well be; until we're not extrapolating from one data point, speculation is just entertainment. If it turns out complex life happens only every trillion stars and there's only one other in the "local group", ten million light-years from here, well...rats. Just ourselves to talk to.

    Console yourself with this: it means our celebrities are even MORE important than we ever imagined. "Miss Universe", for instance, really IS Miss Universe!!

  8. Re:I'll take my Earth medium rare. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    A few minutes to a few hours start life, 9 months for it to take hold, and a few seconds to end it. That's human mortality in a nutshell.

  9. Yes. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Earth is special. Humans are only here because of the great beardy guy in the sky. Now that this massively important issue is settled can we get on with colonizing Mars? Please?

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  10. Hidden land-based bigoty by LastDawnOfMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that life, intelligence, and civilization are the things that we find most interesting, in ascending order, when discussing exobiology. And, in ascending order, much, much more difficult to achieve. In other words, simple life is almost common, complex life is rare, intelligence even rarer, and civilization the rarest of all. Each step requires more time, stability, and opportunities for differentiation, than the last. A lot of the uniqueness of the Earth, according to the article, has to do with its suitability for developing land-based life. I wonder if achieving a land-based civilization is rarer than a liquid-based one. If there are aliens sending probes over here to investigate us, maybe it's to study this weird, land-based civilization. I admit that one advantage to land-based life development is that it's much easier to form divided ecosystems on land than it is in an ocean. This could create more opportunities for divergent evolution, speeding things up if you want to see a particular result, like intelligent life. However, it seems to me that there could be situations on other planets that can create a similar effect in a liquid environment. Perhaps not common, but possible. My point is, it might be chauvinistic to focus so much on conditions that allow the development of land-based life. The other, hidden chauvinism is towards carbon-based life, but it's hard to blame ourselves for that since it's so difficult to figure out how other kinds of life could work.

  11. Re:EVERYONE IS SPECIAL! ALL LIFE IS MAGIC!!!!111 by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The better answer is to say that we don't know... because the likelihood of extraterrestrial intelligence that is typically used is only extrapolated mathematically from the information that we have. But because of the size of the data set that we have relative to the actual size of the cosmos, the probability for error in that regard is, by my understanding, roughly equivalent to anticipating the results of a random coin toss.

    Simply put... we just don't know. And that's a *FAR* more truthful answer than "no"... or "yes", for that matter.

    As things currently sit, based on our understanding of the universe, we might as well be the only intelligent beings in the whole cosmos, and so the answer might as well be no, even if such an answer turns out to be false. But if that actually were the case, and we were unique, then nothing would have any real reason to change. For some, such uniqueness might even be a compelling reason to believe in a god, but it is hardly irrefutable proof of even that.

    The way things currently sit, based on all the evidence that we have accumulated so far, and without any mathematical extrapolation, Earth does, indeed, appear to be special... We have not found any other worlds like it to date. And while our inability to do so might only be because of the limitations on extrasolar planet detection technology, that limitation is hardly remotely conclusive proof that such undetected earth-like planets actually do exist.

  12. It is Yule Tide... by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is actually no need to refer to the Yule Tide as christmas. Christians co-opted the holiday recently and atheists should just insist on the older term.

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    1. Re:It is Yule Tide... by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is of course, a pagan holiday, so distinctly not atheist. How about a real atheist name? Midwinterfest?

      Well you could just continue the "Yule" tradition, as that's what's it still called up here in the cold north (i.e. the nordic countries); Jul. Pronounced pretty much like "Yule".

      So, even if your(?) ancestors had to resort to exporting Christianity all the way up here to solve the Viking problem, they couldn't dethrone the name for the seasonal festivities. It's time for us Viking ancestors to export it right back I say. :-)

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  13. Re:It's special the same way every baby is a mirac by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "In a sufficiently large (possibly infinite) universe, it really just doesn't matter how uncommon any (non-zero) probability event appears - It will still happen all over the place, over and over and over and over again."

    This is based on mathematical extrapolation, and while provably true for an average event. The proof cannot be verified all events without utilizing parallel universes.

    But uniqueness would not in *ANY* way constitute any sort of proof of the existence of a god or verifying a creationists point of view, even though some might think that it would.

    Suppose for a moment that it were actually possible to discover that we were isolated in the cosmos... that we were "it", and that intelligent life was otherwise non-existent anywhere else. While that might seem to mean something to people, in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't mean anything at all... any more than the fact that a lot of people think that the northern lights are pretty means something particularly profound and meaningful about the meaning of life or whatnot. The cosmos can exist entirely without any purpose or meaning to it at all, and our human nature to ask "why" would only be destined to remain perpetually unanswered. This is equally true whether we are unique or not.

  14. Civilizations don't last long enough. by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The whole point of the Fermi paradox is that if the earth isn't special, then where the hell is the evidence of alien life? All these posts explaining how we aren't special, and how "life will find a way", just lead right back to it. Why haven't we found so much as a single piece of evidence of any kind?

    Probably because the lifespan of technological civilizations isn't that long. Human civilization is about 3000 years old, but only about two centuries of that is technological civilization with enough power to do much. We've had the ability to send radio signals into space for less than a century. We're already starting to run out of natural resources. There are arguments over how many decades are left for some resources, but nobody sees many centuries of resources left. Trying to mine low-density resources requires greater energy inputs for the results obtained, and eventually that stalls out.

    If our understanding of physics is roughly correct, fast interstellar travel is hopeless. Slow interstellar travel might be possible, but it currently looks like the closest interesting place is about 500 light years away. Sending a generation ship to a system with no habitable planets is pointless. Sending one to an active civilization means it gets there after they've run down.

    If you plug reasonable values for extrasolar planets into the Drake equation and set the lifespan of a technological civilization to 500 years, you get 24 civilizations currently active in the Milky Way galaxy, which is about 100,000 years across.

  15. Stamp collectors? by John3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd bash stamp collectors as well if they actively worked to block the teaching of science in schools, denied funding for legitimate scientific research, and pushed their viewpoint through taxpayer funded faith-based initiatives.

    Stamp collectors actually help subsidize the US mail since they boost profits with minimal cost to the post office. What's not to like about them?

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