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Publicly Available Russian Election Results Hint At Fraud
gotfork writes "As some Russians protest the results of the recent election, several commentators (Russian), have started looking at the results which are posted to the election commission web site and there's very strong evidence of fraud. Voter turnout correlates strongly with percent voting for the ruling party, United Russia, and there are a lot of polling stations with nearly 100% turnout and 100% voting for United Russia in some unusual places. The raw data is posted so you can do your own analysis."
Do they do that at all in Russia? Still, 100%...lol. Putin doesn't even care anymore.
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The ad should be retitled "Russia Doesn't Even Bother to Pretend to Have a Legitimate Election." Why would they? It's Russia. Historically speaking, it'd be weird to the point of unsettling if it weren't rotten to the core.
Look, he's even offering to throw a tea party for all of you with doubts. Drink up!
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Yes, yes. But 100% turnout from places that range from Apathetic to outright hatred of his Regime, and a majority vote for him? That's an entirely different level of bullshit than what Scott Walker could accomplish.
These are pretty different situations, i mean no one in the states would be ballsy enough to try to go "ahh fuck it, just put in we got all the votes from everyone".
In the US they have to at least try to be SLIGHTLY subtle.
Someone tell me/us about Russian politics. Does it matter?
For example, here in the US, there is one party, with one set of goals (globalism, imperial global warfare everywhere, war on drugs, tax relief for the 1% and F the 99%, deindustrialize the country, expand the parasitical financial sector at all costs, etc). We have two independent marketing departments that put on a huge show to pacify the population into thinking it matters which marketing department did a better job, D or R. But, it doesn't really matter which side's marketing message was better, we'll have the same result in the end. We've had stolen elections here, but rioting about it would be as stupid as rioting about a sports game, or fighting over a card or board game, in other words some folks take advantage of the chaos to steal goods from stores, about a hundred people will show up on the news because they like being on the TV news, but most people wisely just don't care. Once you're beaten down, you're beaten down for good, here.
Is it the same way in Russia, basically one party rule and it doesn't matter who wins, or does it really matter in terms of policies and leadership? I'm just trying to figure out if I should care, if this could in any way really affect anyone, or if this is like US politics where its about as important as a bad umpire call in a ice hockey game.
"Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
Russians are on the street protesting.
Americans are on the street protesting.
Europeans are on the street protesting.
The middle east is on the street protesting.
Africa is on the street protesting.
Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?
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And that makes me proud to be an American.
Our American leaders know we won't believe obvious fabrications like those goofy Russian yokels, so they temper the vote fraud just enough to fly under the radar. And thus they demonstrate how much more they respect the American people's intelligence than the Russian leaders respect their people's intelligence.
Suck it, Russia! USA Number 1!
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
Wow. Your first link is to an error that was literally caught within hours of it happening and didn't impact the final total. The other issues point to general incompetency and in some limited, local cases, actual fraud. That's really in the same category as nearly nation-wide fraud that looks centralized. And let's say for a hypothetical that the US election fraud problems were nearly as severe as the Russian ones or as severe. Guess what? That doesn't magically make them ok. That one country has problems doesn't make it ok when similar problems occur elsewhere.
The Volusia county error looks more like a botched attack on a voting machine than an actual error -- especially in light of the fact that there was a real attack on those machines that involved making one candidate's vote total negative prior to the election. Also, show me in my post where I said anything was "OK" -- my point was that the United States has some serious issues with its own voting process, not that somehow the Russians are justified in what they do.
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1. false equivalency. The fraud involved there is quantitatively and qualitatively worse.
2. irrelevant. Illegal and immoral behavior in one country does not make it OK in another.
So, United Russian wants to make themselves look "legitimate"?
How is releasing results that confirm blatant voter fraud helping their argument? This is only going to bolster the opposition who'll hold these results up and say "See... see how they fucked us all!"
It appears to me that Putin and his political machine are if anything, not stupid. They want to stay in power, indefinitely. This does not achieve this aim.
I can only imagine that there's an angle to this story that my westernized perspective and extremely poor understanding of Russian culture/politics can't quite grasp.
Please Russian slashdotters... please explain this!
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Votes given before the voting started:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzOXn3wRjJU
Here's one with english subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLs8kv3u1hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=Hw-5y9fy4zU
In the US, they just stop you from voting if you are in a group likely to vote the wrong way.
And we wonder why the US can't manage to get 50% turnout even in a presidential election year?
In Texas, student ID cards are no longer be valid for voting; neither are ID cards issued by the federal Veterans Administration. All those students and war vets need to do is go buy a gun: concealed weapons permits are acceptable at the polls.
Republicans all sing from the same hymnal on this one: voting must be tightly controlled to prevent fraud. Never mind that there is no fraud. Indeed, the Brennan Center found that voter fraud is so "exceedingly rare" that "one is more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter fraud." Mickey Mouse was not allowed to register. Paul Newman did not vote from beyond the grave. Hordes of undocumented Mexicans have not stuffed ballot boxes (though a great many new, legal Latino voters have registered in Florida, Texas and other large states).
But why let the facts get in the way of rigging an election?
I have family in Russia. One of them told me about their colleague, a woman who's responsible for signing the ballot count. The votes are counted, the Communist Party is a clear winner in that riding, and she signs. Someone from United Russia then brings her a different paper, with the count modified to make United Russia (Putin's party) win. She says "I can't sign this, this is fraud." "Sign it." "No, I can't." "Sign it or you'll lose your job." Her meager salary is already not enough to live on, she can't afford to lose it. So she signs.
I don't see any protesters there. It must be the happiest place on the planet.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
1988 is when the wall came down. 1991 is when it was dissolved. 20 years this month.
It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for being subtle.
Indeed, a cursory google search on the terms "Indiana 2008 voter fraud" shows that... oh hey, not a SINGLE verifiable or reputable news source went anywhere near this nonsensical lie of a story.
A lot of right-wing nutcase blogs, and of course that fraudulent liar Breitbart (known mostly for faking videos himself) all over it. And if we follow your link we find they are... ah, yes. "The New American", front group for those rabid nutwingers the John Birch Society.
You're alluding to a petition to put them on the ballot. ALL petitions have signatures that don't add up, even those which put Republican candidates on the ballot. Once the "fake" signatures are removed, they count how many legitimate ones remain, whether the petition is for a Republican candidate, a Democratic candidate, a ballot initiative, or any other activity in which citizens can present petitions. The reasons for the "fake" signatures vary: sometimes people just write bogus names while exiting a supermarket, sometimes they write their real name, but happen not to be registered voters (and so the signature doesn't count), and so on.
To put this in the same category as voter fraud is ridiculous. Also, the belief that only Obama's and Clinton's campaigns suffered this phenomenon is, err, "ignorant".
Of-course it is all fraud, there are plenty of videos shot during the elections of so called 'carousel' (merry go-round) voters, who were paid to go and vote multiple times in dozens of locations for United Russia. There are cases of just stealing the final results and replacing them with fake pro-United Russia results. There are cases of pre-made voting ballots being thrown into the voting urns, all this is true.
But after the anti-Putin protest that happened last week, with over 40 thousand people attending just in Moscow (video) Here is a video of the anti-anti-Putin protesters (so pro-United Russia protest), that just happened, and this so called 'protest' was shown on the First Channel (main pro-government TV channel), saying that there were 25 thousand people in the crowd, which is nonsense, but more interestingly what kind of people were there. In that video the attendees are asked why did they come to this 'protest' and they either don't respond, or they are drunk and respond with pure nonsense, or they barely speak Russian (don't forget, United Russia) and they don't even understand the question well, but they answer that they are here at work or from their work.
So it's a sham, everything, start to finish (related videos to that one show people being invited to these pro-Putin protests with promises of money). Then there is this video, where people are being paid just after the pro-Putin protest. A girl in the video says: this is how we sell out Russia.
Yes, it's a sham.
You can't handle the truth.
The wall came down in 1989 ...
Actually, YES. Military veterans who can't operate a car due to blinding or paralysis or leg amputation, for starters. Republicans have also been on the forefront of trying to get as many absentee military ballots thrown out as possible, since the rank-and-file are paid shit wages thanks to the machinations of those same Republicans and tend, being poor and supporting families on wages that require public assistance (fully 40% of the US military families are so poor they qualify for food stamps!), to vote Democrat.
Oh, and let's not forget the machinations of Republicans trying to make it as difficult as possible for military spouses to vote in the state they live in when their spouse is shipped to another "home base" in another state. My aunt was disenfranchised by the lying Republican assholes for 5 years due to all that crap.
Republicans like to play a good verbal game of claiming to "support the troops", but they don't mean a word of it.
Russians are on the street protesting.
Americans are on the street protesting.
Europeans are on the street protesting.
The middle east is on the street protesting.
Africa is on the street protesting.
Dose anyone know a place where people are actually happy with their government?
Iceland - they nationalised the banks and told the IMF to fuck off.
They devalued their currency, and their economy is now growing.
The President and Prime Minister are very popular.
Those horrible, corrupt foreign Governments.
30 Major U.S. Corporations Paid More to Lobby Congress Than Income Taxes, 2008-2010
"Despite a growing federal deficit and the widespread economic stability that has swept the U.S since 2008, the companies in question managed to accumulate profits of $164 billion between 2008 and 2010, while receiving combined tax rebates totaling almost $11 billion. Moreover, Public Campaign reports these companies spent about $476 million during the same period to lobby the U.S. Congress, as well as another $22 million on federal campaigns, while in some instances laying off employees and increasing executive compensation."
To keep profits inflated by capturing legislation, favorable to their businesses. Free market, my arsehol3.
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If Fox were fabricating these stories out of thin air...
They are. They admit that they do. A Florida appellate court upheld their right to do so in 2003, courtesy of the First Amendment.
Wait... you mean... you didn't know??!!! You've been ... you've actually been believing Fox News? No, really? SRSLY?? wow. just... wow. What a mindjob!
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The majority of the military still votes Republican, so the Democrats are the ones you will find challenging their absentee ballots. It was a big stink in Florida in 2000, where Bush won largely on those absentee ballots. The Democrats were trying to throw out as many of them as possible.
If there was any effort to prevent your aunt from voting, it would have been by the Democrats in order to hinder that Republican voting bloc.
Almost every bit of polling data since the 70's shows a clear trend that the lower the income the more likely you are to vote Democrat. In 2006 the breakeven point was somewhere around a family income of 50k but below that almost 60% of votes went to Dems. And it's not like the rich were overwhelmingly Repub; above 50K it was roughly a 52/48 split for them.
A similar pattern holds true for education levels with people with high school or below predominately voting Dem and those with some University or Bachelor degrees tending Repub and then a turn back to Dem for those with Masters and Phds.
Oh wait, sorry to interrupt your attempt at trolling with some facts. Carry on.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
Every state issues IDs that are not also a drivers license. This is necessary for many other things than just voting. How else would these disenfranchised people you mention board an airplane or cash a check? Having a state issued identification is a simple and easy requirement for voting. This is not singling out or excluding any demographic.
Who cares if the VA card is federally issued? So is my DoD badge, and I can't use that as ID for voting. Elections are state run. And every active military or veteran I know wouldn't ever for for a democrat.
I think someone should have to either pay taxes, run a business, or own property to be able to vote. It's really easy to vote to spend someone else's money when you don't have any skin in the game.
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The bigger the government, the more this will happen.
Imagine a government that didn't have the power to create entire new industries, the power to pick winners and losers in the commercial sector, through regulation or legislation. The corporations that make money through this now wouldn't have anybody to lobby, they wouldn't have any influence.
All this talk about valid IDs and you Americans still oppose the idea of a standard personal ID card...
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
1. Very detailed (down to individual voting stations) voting results were made available, although they were used to do similar analysis after the past elections.
2. United Russia was barely able to get the majority in Duma, even with all the "irregularities"
3. Internet was used to organize a mass rally (30-50k people in Moscow, thousands in other places). This one is a first. And these were not radicals that are happy to rally for whatever cause, but middle class - people that didn't go to the streets since 1991.
This is the first time in a while I have some hope for the future of Russia.
Shouldn't proving citizenship occur when an individual registers? If one is registered to vote and was verified to be a citizen, the polling location only needs to verify they are who they say they are. A student ID card and VA card are both weak forms of proof of ID though. People should just go get a state issued ID if voting is that important to them.
In Russia the belief in the secret ballot is so strong that not even the voter gets to see the ballot before it goes in the box.
Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?
"Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone"
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html