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Feds Arrest GeneSimmons.Com Attacker

gManZboy writes "Federal authorities have arrested an alleged member of Anonymous in connection with an "Operation Payback" attack against the website of Kiss bassist Gene Simmons. The charges stem from a distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attack against Simmons' website over a five-day period in 2010. Simmons apparently drew the ire of the Anonymous set after he lambasted their peer-to-peer (P2P) downloading proclivities during a 2010 MIPCOM entertainment content media conference panel discussion, where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material.'"

180 comments

  1. Why DDoS Simmons Site? by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a lot of people really visit these sites anyway. If you want to lambaste the guy do it on twitter or facebook.

    Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.

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    1. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >> do it on twitter or facebook.
       

      ...or do it on kissOnline.com

      (anyone who has seen a Gene Simmons interview from ~2001 has heard him say "kissOnline.com" a couple dozen times in the space of one interview. Quite entertaining :)

      Also, how come the Kiss Army didn't nab this guy before the feds did. Are they not as awesome as I think they are?!

    2. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What is important to note is that Gene Simmons, being Jewish, is the ultimate bad stereotype and does nothing but harm acceptance of his people. He is greedy, has a large nose, has adopted a reptilian("demonic") stage persona, and is pissing off the same demographic that made him rich decades ago.

      In a series of brief interview excerpts shown on Entertainment Weekly's website, celebrities are asked what the best gifts they received were:

      BRITNEY SPEARS - ''This little butterfly necklace I got from my little sister. She always liked butterflies.''
      GENE SIMMONS - ''Shares in Krispy Kreme. I made a handsome profit.''

      My heart goes out to the captured anon and I hope that Gene takes a firsthand look at Krispy Kreme's factory, specifically the oven-baking process.

    3. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by drnb · · Score: 3, Funny

      Advice to Gene Simmons - don't make China angry.

      Why would China be angry with Gene, where do you think the crap he sells is made?

    4. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by identity0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh wow, you didn't even post the even more stark comparison with the one below his:

      GENE SIMMONS ''Shares in Krispy Kreme. I made a handsome profit.''

      DORIS ROBERTS (''Everybody Loves Raymond'') ''At Ground Zero, the policemen and the firemen gave me a flag and a piece of the first tower that went down. I cried so...I asked, 'Why are you giving this to me?' and they said, 'We've been here since 9/11 looking for pieces of our friends. Then we go home at night and turn on the telly, and there you are making us laugh. You bring us back into life.'''

      Really, Gene? Did you really need those Krispy Kreme shares? Were you hit by high cocaine prices that trashed your savings?

      Mods, please stop hitting the parent post with flamebait tags, it really is insightful about Gene Simmons.

    5. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didnt realize (or really care) that he was Jewish. Just thought he was an all around jerk... But hey his music is decent...

      The lead singer for a band that epitomized monetizing music and you somehow think him being Jewish has any bearing on the matter. Maybe he is just a greedy person? You do realize that greedy people exist right? If you didnt realize he was a jerk long ago you were seriously not paying attention...

    6. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, my hat is off to you for the mere fact that your post is presently rated +2 Interesting. This is an outstanding accomplishment. Please allow me to buy you a drink; provide a suitable email address for PayPal payment and you will receive $10.00 USD, with the understanding that said funds will be strictly utilized for the purchase of an alcoholic beverage of your choice at your local bar (including tip, naturally).

    7. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by multisync · · Score: 1

      Were you hit by high cocaine prices that trashed your savings?

      Mods, please stop hitting the parent post with flamebait tags, it really is insightful about Gene Simmons.

      Your first statement demonstrates you are anything but insightful about Gene Simmons.

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    8. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by identity0 · · Score: 2

      Boo hoo, did I hurt your feeling by making fun of your favorite clown? At least if it was cocaine he would have an excuse.

      Just looked this idiot up, he supposedly claims never to have done drugs? I guess he has no excuse then, other than "I'm greedy as fuck"

      But not knowing by memory the personal lives of washed-up has-beens from the 70s means it's not "insightful" to point out that he's a douchebag? You and other celebrity fanboys are sick.

    9. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment is a horrible mixture of snarkiness and antisemitic hate speech.

      I like it.

    10. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The lead singer for a band that epitomized monetizing music and you somehow think him being Jewish has any bearing on the matter.

      His point was that it furthers a negative stereotype. He wasn't bashing Jews, he was bashing Gene Simmons for making his race look bad. Hell, if I were Jewish I'd probably make the same remark. The fact is that there are jerks of all races, and if you're a stereotypical jerk, regardless of race or stereotype, you're making your own people look bad.

    11. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by scot4875 · · Score: 1

      KISS is fine, although their music mostly sucks. Gene Simmons, however, is a complete douche.

      See if you can dig up his NPR interview from about a decade ago for a glimpse into this guy's mind. Among other things, he comes out and asserts that *every* musician is in it for the money and the pussy, and *none* of them care about the music.

      Fuck Gene Simmons.

      --Jeremy

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    12. Re:Why DDoS Simmons Site? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      wow, and KISS fanboi. They where a joke band, all about the show. Never serious. Why anyone would be such a fanboi of 70's rock star is beyond me.

      And for reference, yes I was a KISS fan, yes I had their albums.

      Nothing the OP said was even remotely slanderous.
      Asking a question isn't slanderous.

      Yes, his cocaine remark was off base, but everything else is accurate.
      " wildly entertaining "man, you have a really low bar... or you're 13... which is basically the same thing, but excusable.

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  2. Proxies by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guess 7 isn't enough.

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    1. Re:Proxies by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Informative

      more like noobs used 7 proxies all operating under *.fbi.gov

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    2. Re:Proxies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I went into a 4chan/b/ raid thread a while back while back and told them that the site, that new version of ED, had changed their IP address to 209.251.178.99 (fbi.gov). I felt kind of bad about it when I saw the reactions though.

  3. excellent by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.

    1. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused so much hardship for America, Europe and the rest of the world got arrested, and yet the authorities spent years tracking down a "freckle faced kid" who hacked a useless website.

      We all know were the priorities of government and industry lie.

    2. Re:excellent by the+linux+geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which specific people in "the banking community" would you have arrested, and for what specific crime?

      I agree that they fucked things up, but going into witch-hunt mode might not be desirable.

    3. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In Star Wars (non-canon according to hard-core fans) fashion, please refer to them as "The Banking Clan", the chambers of commerce and WTO are known as the "Trade Federation". Depending on which side you're on, either Apple, Google or Microsoft is the "Techno Union".

    4. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Which specific people in "the banking community" would you have arrested, and for what specific crime?

        I agree that they fucked things up, but going into witch-hunt mode might not be desirable.

      I'd let the power and resources of the FBI determine who to arrest. It would be better than getting into "witch-hunt" mode just to track down some political activist whose intent was to disrupt the operation of some loud-mouthed, obnoxious rock star who holds extremist right wing views (and when I say "extremist right wing views", I'm obviously not just talking about his views on destroying the lives of file-sharers).

      But asking ME who I would go after sounds like a Troll. It's usually the people who get paid to investigate crimes who decide who they should arrest. And yes I am against witch hunts. I don't think ALL bankers should be arrested, just the people who broke the law. Obviously it should be law enforcement who decides who to arrest, and NOT me. You should be asking the FBI that question. You should also be asking the FBI why, after all these years, and their vast resources, that they haven't found anybody to put in jail.

      Implying that I am somehow in favour of "witch hunts" is disappointing, especially from somebody who claims to be a "geek".

    5. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends if we get a video of him in court sobbing "But..but...we just did it for the lulz" juxtaposed with all the big bold talking he probably handed out on some IRC log then I think its an excellent use of the money. You know, for the lulz.

    6. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about everyone who had a hand in creating a market for bad loans and didn't do anything to stop it? I'm sure you can find some Fraud in there among other things.

    7. Re:excellent by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I cannot think of a better use of taxpayer money.

      Quoth, Gene Simmons:

      "Make sure your brand is protected," Simmons said. "Make sure there are no incursions. Be litigious. Sue everybody. Take their homes, their cars. Don't let anybody cross that line."

      One possibly better use of taxpayer money would be a Predator strike on Gene Simmons' house, then making sure that his progeny are all imprisoned, to the seventh generation.

      I do believe however, that lenience should be shown to the eighth generation, because to do otherwise would be overkill.

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    8. Re:excellent by ZombieThoughts · · Score: 1

      Why not just skip using the taxpayers money and stop watching the show?

    9. Re:excellent by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "I'd let the power and resources of the FBI determine who to arrest."

      And they've found no one to arrest. Of course, being that they aren't arresting any top bankers, etc, now it's a conspiracy. "But asking ME who I would go after sounds like a Troll."

      Well, no. Since you're AC, you could be anyone.

      "Interesting how nobody in the banking community who caused ... who hacked a useless website."

      But, let's play. You see, you asked (obliquely) why the feds weren't pursuing people in the banking community. You left if very vague so as to infer collusion. You were simply then asked to provide names and crimes so the process could begin.

      You had none, so to deflect that little truth, you yelled Troll.

      Interest thing is, you're the Troll.

      I'll provide some proof, instead of simply hollering.

      "I'd let the... FBI determine who to arrest." and "... asking the FBI why, ... they haven't found anybody to put in jail." express two opposing views.

      Either you have the confidence in the feds to determine who to arrest or you don't. You stated you did, but everything you've written says you don't. This allows you presumed moral authority on either side of the issue.

      Iow - Troll.

    10. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really?

      I'm as anti-crime as the next guy, but Simmons is an incredibly self-important asshole douche. I'd rather see taxpayer money used for preventing more serious crime, or put into public consultation about changes to the copyright system, or healthcare, or pretty much anything. Hell, I'd rather the petagon buy a couple $5,000 hammers. At least then we'd get something out of it.

      Seriously, fuck gene simmons.

    11. Re:excellent by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Why not just skip using the taxpayers money and stop watching the show?

      "Show"? There's a "show"? I had no idea.

      My desire to see a predator strike on Gene Simmons has nothing to do with any "show".

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    12. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switch to decaf.

    13. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had none, so to deflect that little truth, you yelled Troll.

      Interest thing is, you're the Troll.
       

      WHAAAAAAmbulance

    14. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about they start with Jamie Dimon (fraud: robo-signing), Lloyd Blankfein (fraud: MBS sales), and throw in Hank Paulson (coercion, fraud) for good measure?

      That you would let these complete and total unethical assholes off the hook so easily is extremely disturbing. I sincerely hope you are just trolling. When you wake up one day and wonder why everything went to hell, look at the actions of the above people and realize they were major contributors to it. Not just them either, thousands like them, hiding in the shadows of legal grey areas, loopholes, and outright purchased freedom from prosecution. Steal trillions of dollars and claim it's a-ok because they managed to skirt the law through arcane convolution that prosecutors couldn't understand. Issue threats like "tanks in the streets" whenever regulation or prosecution talk was brought up.

      These individuals are truly worthy of the title "financial terrorist".

      Oh, and fuck gene simmons. Another worthless stain on capitalism's bathroom floor.

    15. Re:excellent by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 4, Funny

      My desire to see a predator strike on Gene Simmons has nothing to do with any "show".

      Why shouldn't the predator strike be a public performance? You want to be the sole witness? You selfish bastard.

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    16. Re:excellent by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Which specific people in "the banking community" would you have arrested, and for what specific crime?

      Do you really think that Raj Rajaratnam and the few people around him in Galleon who pleaded guilty are the only people in hedge funds making money from insider trading?

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    17. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't feed the troll. If he doesn't know how to use google to find out about all the fraud, theft and money laundering perpetrated by countless members of the banking sector, let him rot in ignorance.

    18. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't arrest anyone. I'd just refuse to bail out any bank that didn't fire all its senior staff, without severance pay.

    19. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out this link - there are a couple people cited in this story that seem worthy of prosecution -
      http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7390540n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

    20. Re:excellent by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Troll

      A meaningless word tossed around in Internet disputes.

    21. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why you *investigate* instead of hunt.

      If the cops find a body with a bullet in its head, and the ME confirms death by gunshot wound, the police would investigate it. If it turns out that guy was shot because he wasn't paying up to a crime boss, they extend the charges from murder to include all those happy RICO-related stuff.

      You don't start off with a suspect and a charge. You investigate suspicious activity and use the evidence you find to make conclusions which may or may not result in someone being charged with a crime.

      Besides, it is disgusting that the FBI waste their time trying to scare little kids and becoming the new boogeyman instead of doing their jobs. Of course, what can you expect? Serial killers (and let's be honest, when they've made an arrest, it's because someone GAVE the perp to them, that profiling BS has never helped make an arrest), corrupt government officials, major white collar crime (and no, Martha Stewart doesn't count, that really should have only been a fine), when's the last time they've gotten one of those? I can't help but wonder if they're just happy that they've finally found a class of criminals they can find on their own.

    22. Re:excellent by operagost · · Score: 1

      So settling disputes in the court is evil, but using military resources to kill peaceful citizens and imprison their families is OK? Che would love it. You leftists are a riot.

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    23. Re:excellent by sheddd · · Score: 1
    24. Re:excellent by sheddd · · Score: 1

      Aargh... bad link; sorry. My HTML is rusty. Here it is, and I'd charge him with fraud. link

    25. Re:excellent by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      no lissen. u dont even no who u r dealin with. ur mom sayz hi by the way. she wants 2 no if u need sumpin from the store on her way home

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    26. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My desire to see a predator strike on Gene Simmons has nothing to do with any "show".

      Why shouldn't the predator strike be a public performance? You want to be the sole witness? You selfish bastard.

      Where is that giant 100m tall Tesla coil those guys are building for public performances? It would be so entertaining, I can't think of a better end for Gene.

    27. Re:excellent by Raenex · · Score: 1

      No doubt there are truly trollish posts, but look at how the word is actually being used. It has become meaningless for all practical purposes, especially in any kind of Internet debate.

    28. Re:excellent by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Stop spreading the lie. People have gone to jail, and more are going through the court system.

      You know, it's easy not to find anyone who went to jail when you don't look.

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    29. Re:excellent by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Since you are AC and offer no actual proof.

      Anonymous Coward(fraud: liar and troll)

      see, easy.

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    30. Re:excellent by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      So settling disputes in the court is evil, but using military resources to kill peaceful citizens and imprison their families is OK?

      I didn't say anything about "peaceful citizens". I'm talking about Gene Simmons. A quick unexpected end from a drone strike would be an act of mercy. He is obviously someone in great pain. The "imprison his progeny for seven generations" was just an exaggeration, however. I don't really want to imprison his offspring. So you need not worry about the Simmons clan, operagost. I would hate to learn that your concern for their safety has interfered with your xmas shopping. Sorry, make that "holiday shopping".

      You leftists are a riot.

      I agree that we don't quite have the same intellectual clarity and sober gravitas of you Tea Party "patriots". But we do tend to liven things up a bit.

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    31. Re:excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they fucked things up" is a bit of an understatement. Why wouldn't you want to hunt down the people that sent your economy and country into the toilet?

    32. Re:excellent by operagost · · Score: 1

      By destroying the rights to liberty, property, and possibly life of your opponents? Lively, indeed.

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    33. Re:excellent by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      By destroying the rights to liberty, property, and possibly life of your opponents?

      "Opponents"? Who is my "opponent"? You? Gene Simmons?

      You sound a little bit nutty there, operagost.

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  4. Gene Simmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Legality, etc. aside, I thought I'd chime in on Mr. Simmons. If there's a bigger jacka$$ in the U.S., I'd like to see him/her. For 30+ years he has been a living tutorial on annoying self-promotion.

    1. Re:Gene SImmons by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Hey if it has a kiss sticker on it you owe him royalties. Is there anything out there without a kiss sticker?

    2. Re:Gene SImmons by GumphMaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah... my hairy arse :)

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    3. Re:Gene Simmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would have been better if Anonymous had just cut off his tongue.

    4. Re:Gene SImmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's common for people who have money, or who have become rich, to think they're due more money for that simple fact.

      I call it, the 'asshole syndrome'. Very prevalent among the entertainment industry.

    5. Re:Gene SImmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is a has been ass who thinks the world owes him money.

      I don't owe him a cent since I've bought a Kiss song, poster or adult diaper. There's always a simple solution to people who you don't like the way their products are marketed. Avoid their products. Downloading Kiss songs isn't striking a blow for liberty, avoiding their products is a legitimate way to protest.

    6. Re:Gene SImmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, he's a huge faggot too.

      All those years in KISS and he didn't cheat once? lol right..........

    7. Re:Gene Simmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      surely you've seen Donald Trump?

    8. Re:Gene SImmons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck You! Try and fuck with me! Expect to get the shit kicked out of you.

    9. Re:Gene SImmons by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Who the hell would waste bandwidth on KISS shit? It's some of the crappiest most uninspired music I've ever heard. It's Samantha Black's "Friday" with guitars thrown in.

      I can only imagine that KISS fandom is some kind of long-running gag like those people who dress up and recite lines at Rocky Horror Picture Show viewings. Seriously I can't imagine that any meaningful number of people ever enjoyed the music. It's just terrible, utterly boring, forgettable stuff.

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  5. Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by antifoidulus · · Score: 2

    I thought the whole point of KISS was the live shows, are there actually people out there who routinely listen to their music?

    1. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Spodi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course! Just like GWAR, they are famous for their beautiful and melodic music, not their elaborate stage performances that involve covering the audience in monster blood and semen.

    2. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think so, cause why would they sell 100 million records??

    3. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Larryish · · Score: 1

      As a child of the 70's and 80's, I can unequivocally state the following:

      KISS was a lot of make-up-wearing poofters.

      Notice the WAS. That is because Gene Simmons is a HAS-BEEN.

      Gene Simmons FTL.

    4. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's a record, grandpa?

    5. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      KISS was a has-been in 1985. It's a has-has-has-has-been by now, and KISS has basically been Paul Stanley's vehicle for a couple of decades anyways.

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    6. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      People point out that there are some very good bands that have never made the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (Rush and Yes for two). Then they mention that Kiss hasn't either, and all the Rush and Yes fans realize the process isn't completely broken and chill.

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    7. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      Gwar actually has talent unlike Kiss. Sure their vulgar lyrics, ridiculous costumes and whacky stage performances most likely keep them out of the mainstream, but fuck they are awesome. Only show I can go to and really have a good laugh. Its like a musical comedy.

    8. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      Their live shows may be more infamous than their music, but that isn't to say GWAR didn't have a few good songs. Don't be shy now, it won't bite. You can have a listen and decide for yourself.

    9. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 2

      While I completely agree that both Yes and Rush should absolutely be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think that Kiss should be in as well. There is no comparing Kiss with either Rush or Yes in terms of musicianship or songwriting to be sure. But, in terms of showmanship you do have to acknowledge Kiss. I'm not saying they're for everyone, and yes they were over the top but you have to admit that at the time, they were an absolute phenomenon. In the late 70's, you simply couldn't escape Kiss, they were everywhere, and I think that to try to ignore the fact that a rock band from New York City was able to promote themselves into this all consuming cultural force (for better or for worse) is crazy.

      In some ways, Kiss really set the bar for bands to really dial up live shows to levels they really hadn't been before. No one had done pyrotechnics like that before, not on that scale. I'm not saying that they invented using flame pots on stage, or wearing make-up, but that they really took some of those theatrics, and raised the bar on creating the "rock star' persona and then inflating it to stratospheric levels. It was an utter exaggeration of every aspect of the characters they had invented.

      No, I'm not a die-hard Kiss fan. Yes, I do own a few albums. I was born early enough in the 70's to be just at that perfect age to think that Kiss were almost like superhero's. I dressed up as Gene Simmons for Halloween in the 2nd grade, and the nuns at my Catholic school were friggin' terrified. I think Gene is an arrogant asshat just like everyone else. But, I still have to acknowledge that they certainly had an impact on rock music as an industry. I also think that while some folks like to pretend that they don't know a single Kiss song, get them in a bar and put a few beers in them, and see if they don't sing along to a few bars of "Cold Gin", "Rock and Roll All Night", "Calling Dr. Love", "Heaven's On Fire", "Detroit Rock City", or "Beth".

    10. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

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    11. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, did you say 'good bands'? I don't see any good bands mentioned in your post. Maybe you forgot to include them.

    12. Re:Who the hell actually listens to KISS songs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course! Just like GWAR, they are famous for their beautiful and melodic music, not their elaborate stage performances that involve covering the audience in monster blood and semen.

      ...and don't forget urine!

  6. Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by BitHive · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just listen to some of the shit he says to Terry Gross:

    http://www.erim.net/archives/gene-simmons-and-terry-gross-inteview

    1. Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by bipbop · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2

      I enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the headline very much.

    3. Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by bcrowell · · Score: 2

      I listened to the whole interview, and I thought it was a kick. He's obviously very insecure, and he's projecting a manufactured persona, but he's also pretty funny.

    4. Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Some of that is a persona, especially the part where he acts like he's trying to get into Terry's pants, but I think a lot of what he says is unadulterated truth. He's honest in that he's just putting on a show with Kiss. He's honest that men like to sleep with a lot of women. He's honest that money is important.

      It was also interesting when he was talking about his childhood and how he rejected his Jewish upbringing after coming to America. Overall it was a good interview, though a bit cringe-worthy in parts.

    5. Re:Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass by deadweight · · Score: 1

      I thought it was a pathetic interview in a way. Gene Simmons is a smart man and is trying to reconcile how acting like a horny annoying 8th grader make him more money than anything else he can think of. Deep down he is aware of how pathetic he is. Terri Gross should have taken him up on his offer and said something like "I've had better" afterwards ;)

  7. Gene SImmons by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    is a has been ass who thinks the world owes him money.

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  8. He is a marketing genius by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You name it and he has s KISS logo slapped on it, everything from coffins to condoms...

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    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    1. Re:He is a marketing genius by DeathElk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gene is amazing at marketing.

      Gotta love him.

      No. No you don't.

    2. Re:He is a marketing genius by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I do admire his ability to stand out as one of the biggest assholes in rock, a field DOMINATED by huge assholes. It's like he's dedicated his whole life to being the most selfish, arrogant prick on the planet--with great success. I almost think that being a musician was just a means to that real end. I picture him telling his fellow kindergarteners "When I grow up, I want to be the biggest douchebag in the world."

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
  9. Big surprise by RobinEggs · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anonymous would be a lot more effective if they focused on one thing longer than a week...they've done everything from embarrassment campaigns against child pornographers to hacking secret societies and crime syndicates to various political hacks to that one bizarre incident where they organized a hate mail campaign against a teenager with an anti-profanity site.

    They fancy themselves hacktivists but they don't seem to try very hard at sending messages to the public, which I assume is who you'd like to reach if you think the entire government and corporate landscapes are irredeemably corrupt.

    Bottom line, I don't get them. I don't think they have to be an absolutely coherent, focused force with an official spokesperson in a tie to be taken seriously, but they usually don't even seem like they're trying to change something; they're just fucking around and punishing people at random.

    1. Re:Big surprise by rev0lt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, are you saying an internet mob still behaves like a mob? Interesting :)

    2. Re:Big surprise by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

      you do realize that "Anonymous" is just any person who calls themselves that, right?

    3. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just fucking around and punishing people at random

      Umm, just nip on over to /b/ and have a look for yourself. It's over there somewhere -------->

    4. Re:Big surprise by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      They fancy themselves hacktivists but they don't seem to try very hard at sending messages to the public,

      Oh, they send plenty of messages to the public, but you the common public just don't "get it" and they know it, which is why they don't waste their time on idiots like you. You have to come to them and only then you may understand. Or you'll continue to not "get it" and go back to watching Jersey Shore, taking the Republican presidential debates seriously, wishing Anonymous would do things the proper status-quo way.

      They have been amazingly coherent for a loose-knit group of fuckwits. It is the public-at-large, not anonymous, who don't "get it."

    5. Re:Big surprise by RobinEggs · · Score: 1

      Blah blah blah, I can prove I'm enlightened and totally above this plebian shit if I just bitch about everyone equally without offering any solutions.

      Did I sum up your argument well enough?

    6. Re:Big surprise by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      The whole point is arguably that "anonymous" strikes entirely randomly. If you do something dickish, there is always the chance you'll be targetted, which is probably more effective than hammering specific people for long periods of time.

      Anyway, they/we can focus on some things. Ask the Scientologists.

    7. Re:Big surprise by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      the common public just don't "get it" and they know it

      The public isn't supposed to get it. "Anonymous" claims to be a hacker organization largely to troll media outlets and politicians, and it works surprisingly well. Just proves how useless big media is at actually investigating. The fact you can just decide to be Anonymous at any given time, and then cease to be, is lost upon almost everyone who isn't Anonymous.

    8. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The apparently make their own kool-aid, which you've obviously been drinking. The public at large has to go to work and take care of their families, so they're a little preoccupied.

    9. Re:Big surprise by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I see you fail to understand 'Anonymous'. There is no group, there are only individuals who choose to conduct a protest activity and donate the outcome of that activity to 'Anonymous' rather that taking individual or group credit for the activity.

      So anyone at any time can conduct protest activity and proclaim that activity to be the work of 'Anonymous'. There is no group, no conspiracy, just individual choice to participate in protest activity. In the case of denial of service, nothing more than the temporary non-damaging disruption of a marketing channel and where more than one person participates, all that counts is the individual effort. So they must prove that the persons who was involved actually did disrupt, rather that the total efforts of many people ie you can not change one person with an outcome produce by many people, only their individual impact can be measured and whether that would have impacted the service.

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      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    10. Re:Big surprise by artor3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless of course you do something dickish as part of anonymous, which is quite common. They're just a roving mob of thugs. Sometimes they attack someone who deserves it. Sometimes they attack someone who they thought deserves it, but is actually innocent. Sometimes they attack someone who did do something wrong, but their attacks are all out of proportion with the deserved punishment. Sometimes they just hurt random strangers for laughs.

      They're basically a sterling example of why anarchist mob justice doesn't work.

    11. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Anonymous are a group of sub-groups. There are hundreds of different groups across even more sites.
      They constantly in-fight and try to one-up each other.
      It is very, very rare for any of those groups to come together in a single cause.

      2) The few groups that are in it for "a message" or cause are almost globally hated by the rest of the groups.
      The rest of the groups are in it, "For the lulz."

    12. Re:Big surprise by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2

      Anonymous isn't one roving mob of thugs. It's just a self-applied label any random mob of thugs can give itself on an ad-hoc basis to attempt to convey some sense of menace. Which is why expecting any of these completely unrelated groups of people to follow some predetermined M.O. is naive at best.

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    13. Re:Big surprise by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Just like Al Queda

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      "When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
  10. And nothing of value was lost by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    The loss to the KISS artist was estimated to be in the tens of dollars, the FBI reported today, after rounding up one of the freckled, young college kids mentioned. The FBI plans to drain the young adult's blood and pump it into the ancient man to revitalize him in time for his next comeback tour, which will feature duets by him and Lars Ulrich talking about how hard it is for them to get by on only a few hundred million a year. Common Sense was unavailable for comment at the time of the article's publication...

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    #fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
    1. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      The loss to the KISS artist was estimated to be in the tens of dollars

      How much is the right to free speech worth ? Mr Simmons, asshole or not, appears to have had his rights to free speech violated by the attackers who prevented his website from functioning.

      Did he deserve it for being a karmically challenged ? Probably. Does the exercise of free speech come without consequences ? No, there are normally consequences. But if we hold the right to free speech sacred as a society, then everyone deserves protection when denied that right.

    2. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thats an interesting analogy. If the event were being held a public place, say, a county owned park, I would imagine that no, it is not illegal for the protesters to boo down the Nazis.

      However, if the event were being held in a private venue, and the protesters prevented the Nazi's and the people who paid money to hear them speak conduct their event without interruption, then I would have to say yes, it is in fact illegal.

      In this case, Mr Simmons was paying to host his website, and his fans and customers were paying to access his website, which makes denying Mr Simmons the ability to broadcast his website, and his fans the ability to receive that broadcast, an illegal activity.

    3. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, so many computers were booing at the site that no one else could see it, but those were a large set of computers controlled by one or a small set of people. Not even close to your analogy.

    4. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A DDoS is equivalent to being shouted down by a crowd, should a member of that crowd face 15 years in prison for the act?

    5. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      Well, I respectfully disagree and argue that it is indeed spot on.

      Lets say you are a hacker, and you belong to the organization that puts on the HackerCon2011 event. You only charge an admission fee designed to recover the expenses required to conduct the event ... the advertising, the hotel conference rooms, the hotel rooms for those who stay overnight, any organized transportation, the lighting and sound equipment, the power bill and networking, etc. such that you are operating in a not-for-profit capacity. The expense and time and resources are your "medium" required to deliver your "message."

      The same is true of people who communicate via the internet. The network infrastructure on both ends of a conversation, and the interconnections between are the "medium" by which the "message" is delivered.

      Both are "commercial" activities, as opposed to say, an informal gathering where no financial transactions are conducted. Interference with either event, your event of HackerCon2011 by say, a group of radical RIAA members who crash your event and wreak havoc such that they have ruined the mediums ability to deliver the message, or the website operators and customers event, by an outside party who ruins their mediums ( http sessions ) ability to deliver the message ( website usage / browser usage ) would be equally illegal.

    6. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid rock bands website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all.

      The draconian measures that have been written into law concerning "computer crimes" versus any other type of crime, seem to me to be a knee jerk reaction to a problem that is/was beyond the means of the legislators ability to deal with it. As a result, they passed a special law concerning computer crime, that could have been framed within the context of any other number of already existing laws.

      A fair and reasonable society and justice system would meter punishment proportionate to the offense, such that, no side of the equation is imbalanced.

      Do I agree with the current state of legislation concerning "computer crimes?" ... not at all. Do I think people should be given free rein to to interfere with the internet and other peoples computer systems just because they have a script programmed for the task ? Again, not at all.

    7. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      I would like to add, the same technology that created this problem ( DDoS attacks ) can be put to use to solve the problem.

      When a website is under a DDoS attack, it is essentially receiving more packets than it can process and respond to. Even under this condition, the website can send out packets, because upstream bandwidth is still available.

      If a website ( or node if you prefer ) is under attack, it could send a message to the upstream ISP that says "Hey, ip address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX is attacking me, can you please block it from connecting to me at the source ?" The ISP would then forward this upstream until it reaches the attacking nodes ISP, at which point a filter entry would be created, preventing AttackNodeA from sending packets to WebsiteB. This request could expire after whatever period of time was required to quell the attack.

      A technology based solution like the one above, would let websites simply hang up on attackers, much as any of us would simply hang up on a crank or unwanted phone call. If we continued to get the call, we would contact the phone company and they would filter it.

      Of course, I realize the hardware and protocols for this are not in fact currently deployed, but if they were, then college students who DDoS a website in protest wouldn't need to have their lives ruined by the penal system, and the websites who they chose to attack wouldn't have their business interrupted.

      Seems to me to be the least cost path for society to resolve the issue.

    8. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats an interesting analogy. If the event were being held a public place, say, a county owned park, I would imagine that no, it is not illegal for the protesters to boo down the Nazis.

      However, if the event were being held in a private venue, and the protesters prevented the Nazi's and the people who paid money to hear them speak conduct their event without interruption, then I would have to say yes, it is in fact illegal.

      In this case, Mr Simmons was paying to host his website, and his fans and customers were paying to access his website, which makes denying Mr Simmons the ability to broadcast his website, and his fans the ability to receive that broadcast, an illegal activity.

      Mod parent up, please.

    9. Re:And nothing of value was lost by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      The draconian measures that have been written into law concerning "computer crimes" versus any other type of crime, seem to me to be a knee jerk reaction to a problem that is/was beyond the means of the legislators ability to deal with it. As a result, they passed a special law concerning computer crime, that could have been framed within the context of any other number of already existing laws.

      Sounds like they did the same thing with "hate crimes". A criminal act is a criminal act, regardless of motivation or means.

      --
      In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
    10. Re:And nothing of value was lost by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Update: Common Sense has been missing for years, and is presumed dead.

    11. Re:And nothing of value was lost by artor3 · · Score: 1

      Hate crimes are different because they are in effect an act of terrorism against a particular group. A typical premeditated murder, while awful, doesn't really affect most people. With the extremely rare exception of serial killers, premeditated murders tend to be very personal in nature, and not something the typical person needs to worry about. But if some white supremacists decide to go out and find a black person to kill, it sends a message the entire black community that they need to live in fear, or else get out of that neighborhood, lest they be hunted and killed like animals. That mass intimidation is what earns the sentence extension.

      I know your post was completely off-topic and probably just meant as flamebait (hate crimes and computer crimes have nothing in common), but I hear this canard about hate crimes trying to punish motivations all the time, and it's important not to let misinformation spread unimpeded.

    12. Re:And nothing of value was lost by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      yep, you could torch simmons house and get away easier.

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      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    13. Re:And nothing of value was lost by cffrost · · Score: 1

      Mr Simmons, asshole or not, appears to have had his rights to free speech violated by the attackers who prevented his website from functioning.

      Gimmie a break, Mr. Mnky. Half of the country suffered exposure to this insufferable asshole's mean-spirited rant. Wasn't this Gene Sickens or whatever you call it anticipating a reply? I think that's a reasonable expectation to have when one spews vitriol directed towards the public at large.

      From my perspective, the curtailment of free speech began when the FBI arrested a member of the public for allegedly participating in a public dialog that this crotchety old lizard initiated.

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    14. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your solution to avoid "denial of service", is to make it a feature? think about that for a second (or more in your case)

    15. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common Sense isn't missing. It just that most people have completely forgotten what Common Sense looks and sounds like. Common Sense could be staring them in the face or even speaking to them and they'd be totally clueless.

    16. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't be "denial of service" on the website operators part, so much as it would be "exercising the right to refuse service."

      If you walk into a brick and mortar store, and interfere with store operations or the experience of other customers, you will be asked, and then forced to leave, because the business has a right to eject you, ban you, obtain a restraining order from a judge, etc.. Same principle.

      I have thought about it quite a bit, and if you have a better solution that more closely approaches 0 cost to society please post it, as this is currently an open ended problem with the internet.

    17. Re:And nothing of value was lost by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Something struck me when you said:

      15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid rock bands website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all.

      Here, let's change out a single word and see how it all fits:
      "15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid poor person's website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all."

      or this:
      "15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances. In fact, since its just some stupid nigger's website, I wouldn't expect justice to include any jail time at all."

      I think that your argument is incorrect even if I agree with your general point:

      A fair and reasonable society and justice system would meter punishment proportionate to the offense, such that, no side of the equation is imbalanced.

      --
      "Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
    18. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1

      Yes. The same comment stuck out after I had re-read it myself. However, it wasn't my intention to imply that laws should be selectively applied to classes of victims, so much as it was to imply, in the big picture grand scheme of things, it was just an entertainment related website, not a defense contractor, the pentagon, the white house, a nuclear power facility, etc.

      In other words, the attacker didn't bring down a nuclear power facility which would have caused far reaching and widespread damages across multiple sectors of the economy. He got angry at Mr Simmons, and lashed out in a manner that was ultimately, not very destructive.

      Certainly Mr Simmons is entitled to whatever actual monetary damages were caused under the current law, regardless of his chosen profession. When the math is added up, and all is said and done, I would be surprised if the damages really amounted to that much, and that is what I meant by "some stupid bands website," even tho I admittedly worded it very poorly.

    19. Re:And nothing of value was lost by somersault · · Score: 1

      I think he means that if we put your idea into practice, then there will be ways of using it to grief people and businesses. For example if you spoofed messages pretending to be from sites that a business needs, like one of their suppliers or their bank etc, you could effectively stop them from getting much done, and it wouldn't take anywhere near the level of resources as a DDoS. Or you could infect one machine at that business and send legitimate requests to block off these sites.

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      which is totally what she said
    20. Re:And nothing of value was lost by fsckmnky · · Score: 1
      Well, I attempted to address any gaping holes concerning implementation details, when I said

      A technology based solution like the one above

      using the word "like" to imply, similar, but not exactly as described.

      A secure implementation of a system *like* the one I described would take careful design and study, and I don't expect every detail to be resolved in the slashdot comment system.

    21. Re:And nothing of value was lost by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      15 years sounds like an extremely harsh punishment given the circumstances.

      ESPECIALLY considering that a man convicted of 11 felony counts of corruption, including selling Obama's Senate seat, got only a 14 year sentence. A friend who drove a cab was killed by an armed robber, who spent only two years in jail.

      Fifteen years is way too long.

    22. Re:And nothing of value was lost by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It's not quite that rosy. If a black man punches me in the face, it's misdemeanor battery. If he calls me a fucking redneck honkey before he hits me, it's a felony hate crime. In either case the only damage is my bloody nose. The only difference is a few uttered words.

      Every violent crime, especially murder, has hate behind it. You don't kill someone unless you hate their guts and/or are insane.

  11. Seriously by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    Legally or illegally, who in their right mind would download anything by Gene Simmons?

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    "The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
  12. Who is Gene Simmons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what is KISS?

    Am I missing something?

    1. Re:Who is Gene Simmons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He's an exercise guru, and inventor of the Keep It Simple Stupid methodology.

    2. Re:Who is Gene Simmons? by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      I guess you were born after KISS Saved Santa. I blame our history teachers.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
  13. No One Can Escape... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...the long tongue of the Law!

  14. douche vs douche by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    i think gene simmons is a gigantic douche, but script kiddies are even worse.

    seriously, a DDoS? all that b/w wasted sucks for everyone. lame.

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    https://www.accountkiller.com/removal-requested
  15. Re:Lulz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I take insult that they say this "spyder101" character 'spearheaded' the DDoS attack against GeneSimmons.com. Everybody knows it was root and his "Anti-Bureaucracy Contingent". The guy had a goddamn botnet.

    http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Anonymous-Cell-Splits-Off-and-Goes-After-Gene-Simmons-3.jpg

  16. Waste of money. by Winckle · · Score: 1

    Your taxes at work.

  17. My Ass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I had to remove the KISS sticker in order to avoid those 'willful infringement' charges :)

  18. When I first read it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first read it, I thought of Richard Simmons rather than Gene Simmons. Whoops. One is complaining about people being fat, the other about P2P (he doesn't know that P2P can be used for legal downloads too). As they get older, they grow more alike.

  19. Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    where he lamented the failure of the music industry 'to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who downloaded material

    Wonder if he's so quick to lament the failure of manga publishers to sue every fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid who traced material and then sold it as their own?

    For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, look into Nick Simmons' "Incarnate". Not hard to find, just search for the words "Simmons" and "Incarnate" in a search engine and notice how many times the world "plagiarism" can turn up on a single results page.

    1. Re:Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thanks for the informative comment. Tasty tasty hypocrisy.

      Found a nice link: http://bleachness.livejournal.com/446299.html

    2. Re:Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA hypocrisy overload! XD

      Seriously, how did he think he could get away with that for even a second!?

      For those of you not into anime/manga at all, this is like ripping off Star Wars 4-6 just after 6 came out, with scene-for-scene copies of all the most iconic parts. If anything it is worse than that. It will be hard for you to appreciate.

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    3. Re:Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by Azarman · · Score: 1

      Funny, I remember this around the time,

      Gene's son was doing some comic, and ripped images that were almost identical to Bleach and a few other manga's ( http://www.cnngo.com/tokyo/none/manga-gene-simmons-son-accused-bleach-plagiarism-750585 and http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-25/nick-simmons-incarnate-halted-over-alleged-bleach-plagiarism ) . Then his dad comes out that all these kids that steal should be sued, face prision, hang on I think there was an quote saying he hoped they get @ss rapped in prison: yep found it http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/gene_simmons_fires_back_at_hackers.html and another http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/10/gene-simmons-vs-anonymous-whos-the-bigger-asshole.ars . By his own mouth, his son should be in prison being @ss raped.

      Personally it is the double standards everyone has that annoys me

      Bit like all the hacking stuff lately, Companies are allowed to sell programs to hijack Itunes, install keyloggers, do what they like and sell it to governments, but the day a normal person does it, 10 years in prison. Hacking a website is like tagging someones building/home, if it is that much of a problem get better protection. 10 years for defacing a website? You can kill someone for less time. You think if you killed gene that the charge of website defacing would still be present? might be a nice option out that has only good points

      Bored now, MERRY XMAS ALL

    4. Re:Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by Raenex · · Score: 1

      HAHAHA hypocrisy overload!

      Nick Simmons != Gene Simmons

      Now if Gene tried to bullshit that what his son did was OK, then you'd have a point.

    5. Re:Kids stealing from hardworking artists, huh? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the informative comment.

      Not a problem. Thanks to you and everyone for all the great links. (My employer rather takes a dim view of me looking for comics on company time!)

  20. The Title Got My Hopes Up by Ben_R_R · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I first read it as "Feds Arrest Gene Simmons". You can imagine my disappointment.

    1. Re:The Title Got My Hopes Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too. Have an upmod.

  21. Not a mob, a bot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, they're not behaving like a mob, they're behaving like a bot. I could care less for this Kiss guy or his opinions, but first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?

    Someone in Anonymous needs to stand up and say "yes, there's a real human here" or admit they failed their Turing Test.

    1. Re:Not a mob, a bot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're not behaving like a mob, they're behaving like a bot. I could care less for this Kiss guy or his opinions, but first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?

      Someone in Anonymous needs to stand up and say "yes, there's a real human here" or admit they failed their Turing Test.

      Idiot.
      1) Anonymous is a mob. It's made of different people. Some people want to fuck the mid-east, others want to fuck RIAA et al, others just want to see the world burn. They may use the same methods, but they are not the same people.
      2) Just because they agree with free speech in mid-east countries (where the people who have little freedom of speech are more similar to Anonymous than those who can speak their mind) doesn't mean they have to put free speech as the #1 most important thing ever; maybe they think bad people don't deserve free speech (they could think p2p is a good thing, therefore trying to bankrupt people who share music is seen as a bad thing); or maybe they don't like being threatened by a greedy bastard and decided to do something innefective against him.
      3) "I could care less" means you care some amount (could be little or a lot). "I couldn't care less" means you care so little that it's impossible to care less than you do.

    2. Re:Not a mob, a bot by Rennt · · Score: 2

      ...first they DDOS mid-east countries for trying to stop free speech, then they DDOS this guy when he exercises it?

      Maybe they think free speech trumps copyright? Maybe they saw Gene's outburst as a direct attack against their freedoms? I don't know their motivations, but in any case I don't see anything inconsistent about their actions in your example. If somebody uses their freedom of speech to be a dick they have to live with the consequences. That has nothing to do with censorship.

    3. Re:Not a mob, a bot by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      I guess you were mod down because of the needless insult, but I aggree with you - they are exactly as a mob - acting out of herd adrenaline, and not following some specific agenda. Anonymous stands for many things to many persons, and not necessarily the same causes or values.

    4. Re:Not a mob, a bot by rev0lt · · Score: 1

      Are you saying they think? Because I don't think the reasoning they're passing for each action fits on the tweeter character limit on the messages they use to pass out targets....

  22. IMO ... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Gene Simmons can suck it ....

    Last I heard, he got involved in Wall Street stock trading as his new career .... so *any* whining coming from THAT corner about stealing, I turn a deaf ear to.

    (I knew a guy who did I.T. for one of the major firms providing real-time stock quote services to Wall Street traders and he said he met Simmons at one of their parties he got invited to. He still kept KISS figurines on his desk at the firm, but was dressed up in your typical business suit and dress slacks/shoes -- which looked kinda pathetic in and of itself.)

  23. KISS = worst rock band ever by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    i think gene simmons is a gigantic douche, but script kiddies are even worse.

    You are wrong. The kids will grow out of it in a few years.

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    1. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by Sebastopol · · Score: 2

      bahahahahaha!

      to really understand the success of KISS, you had to be around in the 1970's. black sabbath was still "underground" (far too scary for the masses), and music was still harmless, sappy, and/or depressing. kiss comes along and every 14-18 year old suddenly had a raging hard on to terrify their parents. sad to look at it this way, but KISS were the badasses of pop metal. and even the term metal is a stretch: their music was too melodic and "bluesy" to qualify. of course, when i see posters for slipknot i don't think we've come very far, but pre 1980's new wave, KISS was THE way to freak out parents.

      today, with a generation raised on 2-girls-1-cup, KISS looks like a trite bunch of pussies.

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    2. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      All visual / theatrical stuff aside, KISS makes Slipknot look like a group of highbrow musical geniuses.

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    3. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      to really understand the success of KISS, you had to be around in the 1970's. black sabbath was still "underground" (far too scary for the masses), and music was still harmless, sappy, and/or depressing. kiss comes along and every 14-18 year old suddenly had a raging hard on to terrify their parents.

      If, as Wikipedia claims, KISS's major success started circa 1975, hadn't Alice Cooper already been successful doing something like that for four or so years already at that point (i.e. "scary-for-the-time" light-horror schtick enough to upset more conservative parents while still getting mainstream TV and radio exposure) ? And in a manner that would be more convincing to the 14-18 year olds you mention?

      I'm neither American, nor old enough to remember Alice Cooper nor Kiss's keyday, but from what I understand, Kiss's audience at their commercial peak included a significant proportion of young (i.e. pre-teenage) children, and besides, even then wouldn't Kiss's makeup have appeared more "showmanny" than actually satanic, particularly versus the already-established Alice Cooper?

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    4. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by Pope · · Score: 1

      Alice Cooper had been doing it for a while when KISS broke out, only they were vying for the mainstream audience where more money would be made, Cooper was still doing it for the performance aspect. KISS went for the teenagers, Cooper went for the adults.

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    5. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      That's a good point, as I was a kiss fan when I was 10 but only because my +6 year older cousin and sister were into KISS. And my grandmother would enjoy watching us jump around their albums. Lol. Even she was into it, so I guess they were uber lame. At the time I remember Cooper was for the burnouts that cut class to smoke or get high, kiss was for the wannabees. Further, listening to them as I got older (much older!) I think Cooper was a real musician struggling to get his music out of his head, with theatrics. KISS was all theatrics. Cooper's music is still listen-able today, a wee bit grandiose: 'billion dollar babies' and 'love it to death' are still in rotation on my iPhone. I think that's what I'll listen to today.

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    6. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      to really understand the success of KISS, you had to be around in the 1970's. black sabbath was still "underground" (far too scary for the masses), and music was still harmless, sappy, and/or depressing.

      Not in St Louis -- we had KSHE. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Blue Cheer, Stones, Joplin, Hendrix. Their motto "real rock radio" was true.

      God but I missed that station when I was in Deleware in the Air Force in 1971. But there were other good stations if you were lucky to be within range; KZAP in San Fransisco (1974) was a good station, for example (I don't think they play rock any more though).

      their music was too melodic and "bluesy" to qualify.

      "Bluesy?" Far from it, Led Zeppelin, Cream, George Thorogood played actual blues, written by the likes of T-Bone Walker, BB King, Howlin' Wolf, and John Lee Hooker. More than half the songs on Zeppelin's first album were old blues songs.

      pre 1980's new wave, KISS was THE way to freak out parents.

      Har har! No, the Mothers of Invention was the way to freak out parents, with such greats as "My Dick Is A Monster" and "Billy The Mountain".

    7. Re:KISS = worst rock band ever by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      If, as Wikipedia claims, KISS's major success started circa 1975, hadn't Alice Cooper already been successful doing something like that for four or so years already at that point (i.e. "scary-for-the-time" light-horror schtick enough to upset more conservative parents while still getting mainstream TV and radio exposure)?

      Indeed, he started in the late sixties with such hits as "Billion Dollar Babies" ("I'm so scared your little head will come off in my hands"), "School's Out" ("No more pencils, no more books, no more teachers' dirty looks... School's been blown to pieces")

      The difference was that Alice and Led and Jimi were only on the progressive rock stations, while KISS was benign and commercial enough to play on the top-40 stations.

      And in a manner that would be more convincing to the 14-18 year olds you mention?

      Actually, most hard rockers were in their 20s in the '70s. The teenagers were all listening to disco.

  24. Fuck. Just stay "anonymous", Anonymous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys could be a regular force for good.

    To bad they're too stupid to pick their targets wisely.

  25. Piracy piracy everywhere! by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    "Simmons apparently drew the ire of the Anonymous set after he lambasted their peer-to-peer (P2P) downloading proclivities..."

    And then his son traced whole pages out of the Japanese manga 'Bleach' and proceeded to make his own even more terrible comic book out of it. Could that possibly have something to do with it? (Or was this before that? Either way, pretty damned funny!)

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    1. Re:Piracy piracy everywhere! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better was Kubo Tite's response to finding out that Gene Simmons' son had traced frames from Bleach. Kubo Tite is the author of Bleach.
      "I'm more interested in the fact that Gene Simmons' son is a manga-ka (manga artist) than whether he's plagiarizing me or not."

  26. Ethanol-fueled ignorant comment by shikor · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ethanol-fueled: Please, could you explain what does it has to do the religion of a human being with the way that person behaves? You also wrote "important to note..." You are a very ignorant person. Proof of that is the fact that you wrote "is the ultimate bad stereotype..." well my hatred loaded little being: let me tell you that EVERY STEREOTYPE IS BAD. So according to you, is this what you think of every person based on their choice of religion? # -Christians are all perverts (too many priests and bishops have been found guilty of having sex with very young boys). # -Muslims are all cold blooded terrorists (who are the ones crashing planes against buildings or blowing up themselves or trying to blow up planes?). # -Jews are all greedy, ugly and demonic (you find a fact to support this because I couldn't find one). # -Sikhs are all filthy and illiterate (they all have a thick and bushy beard and many drive a cab to earn a living). # -Buddhists are all lazy and selfish (they believe in meditation, relaxation and a minimalist style as a way to enlighten their "own" life) # Think about it.

    1. Re:Ethanol-fueled ignorant comment by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Ethanol-fueled: Please, could you explain what does it has to do the religion of a human being with the way that person behaves?

      Assuming you meant "could you explain what a person's religion has to do with the way he behaves" and not the ungrammatical tripe you actually wrote, surely the answer is quite a lot.

      Isn't that the point of religions - getting people to do this and not do that, for various values of this and that?

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    2. Re:Ethanol-fueled ignorant comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Look up his interview with NPR's Terry Gross where HE brings his religion into the conversation with regard to the pronunciation of his original last name. He claims theMs. Gross can't pronounce it because she has a "Gentile mouth". She explains to him that she's in fact Jewish as well, and he then proceeds to dig the hole even deeper.

      Very sad behavior from a human of any religion.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gross#Clashes_with_guests

    3. Re:Ethanol-fueled ignorant comment by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      could you explain what does it has to do the religion of a human being with the way that person behaves?

      While I agree with your general sentiment, I think you're taking it a bit far by asserting that religion has NO bearing on a person's behavior. I'm pretty sure most Muslim terrorists wouldn't have ended up blowing themselves up in crowded malls if they had been raised Unitarians.

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  27. Ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like "any fresh-faced, freckle-faced college kid" would ever want to download a Kiss song. Even if it is free...

  28. Perhaps he should get a lawyer by monoqlith · · Score: 1

    Maybe give Joe Adler a call? (Yes, this is a perhaps copyright-infringing clip from Extract.)

  29. There's more Gene quotes that entice Anon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quoting Gene:

    Each and every one of these hackers should be locked in Federal jail with a cell-mate for 10 years of random rape.

    Gene Simmons is also one of the primary reasons that /new/ on 4Chan was insurrected as a forum that pointed-out the massive influx of maintream news that was oriented as Jewish interests pre-packaged to direct the "animals" and "gentiles" and "goyum" into the consumerism and world religions. You can't make this stuff up. /new/ even proved relentlessly how Jews created communism, how the German NAZI Army in World War 2 was a multicultural army with over 150k jews in it's ranks including over 50k JEWISH commanding officers leading nationals to their deaths and that Hitler had an all-Jewish cabinet in his campaigns of war and civil leadership. What I was taught from US History was all lies from Jewish interests to hate Germany and Russia in what was termed as GRAND-THEFT COUNTRIES at the hands of the Jews.

    So why actually do all the Jewish franchises get enforcement priority?

  30. It's cold gin time again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the oath breaking fascists sign the NDAA, you won't be talking years in jail, but forever as an al-queda kiss terrorist.

  31. FBI Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Notably, many failed to realize that the tool would add their IP address into the packets they generated, which were then directed at target websites."

    Hardly. People just realized that, as one person out of thousands, they are unlikely to ever be arrested.

  32. Why bother with the web site by AssholeMcGee+ · · Score: 1

    I strongly dislike Gene, this guy is an example of what is wrong with the US the guy should have smoked some herb, drink some wine or booze maybe he would see what an ass he is. Instead he has an addiction to making himself money at any cost. I am one of the few people who hate KISS!!!. Not sure why Anonymous would even bother with a web site, hack into his money at least, he would spend even more money trying to track down who did it... And why would the FBI waste money to arrest the the person accused of hacking a 'shitty web site'?? Gene should pay for the investigation unless he did pay the FBI to catch who did it. Why did Gene even bitch over pirated music, these guys are not going to be downloading his shit music anyway.

  33. Not sure about Gene by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I never heard about this one before, but if Gene is like Lars, and is trying to cry about losing money for his songs being downloaded, I have to say, he is even more out of touch than I thought, but then again, isn't he going senile now?

  34. Many of you misunderstand this by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    It seems clear from reading the posts that many of you really do not understand what happened here. So I will explain it to you.
    1) The accused is accused of leading a DOS attack. Not participating but leading it. That's important.
    2) While it is true that he is facing 15 years for this, I would think it's unlikely that he'll do get that much time. Assuming he is a first time offender and he doesn't act like a complete jerk in court and his attorney also doesn't cop an attitude, if he is convicted he'll go to jail but I would guess that it would only be maybe 2 years.
    3) Note that the feds are saying that he tried to cover up his IP address and it took them a while to get him. Clearly he knew that what he was doing was not legal.

    Like it or not, it seems to me that the US government is very adamant about sending a message to Anonymous that some of them will get caught and they will go to jail. Anonymous members know that what they are doing is not lawful but they think they are too smart to get caught.

  35. Yeah but what a hot shiksa wife! by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    Check out Gene Klein's hot wife!

    Oh wait, that was his daughter.

    Here is Gene Klein's hot shiksa wife.

    Well, ok, maybe his daughter is hotter than her mother. Must be Gene's genes working their magic for the next generation.

  36. This is why I don't support annonymous by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Gene Simmons is a gigantic ass but he is entitled to his opinion. Anyone that wants to silence someone for having an opposing opinion is an even bigger ass.

  37. next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    go for the tongue