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Belgium Anti-Piracy Group Expands Attack On Access To the Pirate Bay
bs0d3 writes "The Belgian Anti-Piracy Federation (BAF), has been threatening ISPs into expanding their blockade of thepiratebay. Recently they have been sending threatening letters to various other ISPs which were not involved with the original judgment to block thepiratebay. The letter 'kindly requests' that all ISPs voluntarily block thepiratebay, or BAF will bring legal action against them. The ISP BASE has succumbed to these legal threats. Also, many of the same Belgian ISPs have taken it one step further and also blocked the DNS for depiraatbaai.be. depiraatbaai.be was setup by thepiratebay as an alternative domain which directs users to the piratebay's servers to circumvent DNS censorship. For those who can't wait for The Pirate Bay to set up new alternative domains, a full working mirror of the site still exists at malaysiabay.org, which was originally set up to circumvent the piratebay block in Malaysia."
See ? Sounds brutal ? But that was how it was back in peasant revolts in middle ages - when a small minority enforced their rules and interests on overwhelming majority through organized repression through the system they established (political, economical) and usage of arms, there was no way out but that. And most of those uprisings are now considered revolutions that made our modern societal principles.
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See, something similar is happening, yet noone is doing anything, but talk. the only difference in between middle ages and now is, back then people were not allowed to talk. Now, you can talk, but talk changes nothing.
does that mean, society is ok with getting repressed as long as they can talk against it, even if it doesnt provide any fruits ?
It seems modern man is much more obedient than medieval peasant. the irony
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Slashdot links to Pirate Bay? That is illegal in ProtectIP. But so is linking to Google, Facebook or Twitter which in turn links to PirateBay. And many congressmen link to these sites too! ProtectIp is a case of a law where everyone is a criminal, so let us pick and choose who we want to censor. This puts power into special interest groups, takes free speech away from anyone the special interest group wants. Someone should compile a list of every single Congressman who was in favor of ProtectIp and post them here on Slashdot. It will make it easy to know who to vote out next election. No Congressman should ever get reelection who is against free speech especially while being hypocrite about it.
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If there is no financial reward or incentive, no one will invest the time or money to create content.
A society that fails to protect its means of production, stops being productive.
This is exactly why Mediaafires Firefox-plugin "Piratebay Dancing!" was created:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mafiaafire-piratebay-dancing/
Or is there some circumstance here that cripples the plugin?
(And still there is no notes about how to 'properly' link a word with an URL in slashdots help below writing comments)
Prosp long and liver.
on a "Scarlet" (= Belgacom) ADSL connection:
depiraatbaai.be has address 194.71.107.15
(truthful)
thepiratebay.org has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.net has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.com has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.se has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.org has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.net has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.se has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.no has address 193.74.22.191
(falsified)
Flemish speakers can have a good laugh here: http://nurpa.be/files/20111117_BAF-letter-to-ISP_NL.pdf
Because Pirate Bay has become more than just a torrent site. It has become a symbol of defiance. Flying the pirate flag proudly and giving lawyers the finger.
you are grossly ignorant of this.
a medieval peasant would lose A LOT more than you, from his/her perspective. foremost being the piety, the standing in front of god's eyes. because the church have been conditioning people from birth to believing that lords held power in god's name, rebelling against the nobles had basically been made into a sin.
for a medieval peasant even to muster the will to break that conditioning was something major.
and, you dont know what came after repressed revolts - medieval torture. yes, not metaphorically, real medieval torture.
if you are fooled into believing that you have more belongings and comfort of life in contemporary world, hence more to lose - think again - you are getting LESS than available amount and level of technology and wealth available to your civilization at your time, than a medieval peasant got as share from his society at his time - his share was 33%, and your share is just 15%.
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
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Those great many readers aren't so much against copyright as they are against copyright in its current form - together with a very strong anti-corporate sentiment.
This may already exist but if not, how possible would it be to add an additional DNS that has rapidly updated IPs for politically (or otherwise) blocked servers? So long as the user could add this DNS to the ISP provided DNS server list it would be able to more rapidly react to such blocking based on DNS names.
The ISPs would of course block the alternate DNS unless it provided primarily non-pirate related alternative DNS services.
For instance, google's dns servers, at 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4?
Google told China to back down, and got away with it. I doubt they're afraid of Belgium.
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Slashdot tries to report on Stuff That Matters to its audience.
The Internet matters to its audience.
Tremendous efforts (legal, extralegal and illegal) to impede free use of the Internet are currently being made by Corporations and the governments they own.
The efforts are currently frequently directed at The Pirate Bay.
Slashdot reports on those efforts. Therefore, the name "The Pirate Bay" frequently comes up.
I hope that I've connected enough dots for you.
He might be referring to people who confuse the word unlawful with the word immoral and then demand that all unlawful things be considered immoral without considering the impact (no more revolutions for oppressed people, no more ability to question whether or not the law is correct).
No it isn't morally ok, you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed. Using P2P on files you don't have copyright on you are actively distributing someone else's creation without their permission.
It's basically some hand waving that allows people to feel morally innocent. I've no issue with pirates who admit what they are doing is morally unjustifiable - it's the freetards who think it's OK and they're STICKING IT TO THE MAN that get my goat.
Sadly both you and I will get modded down as people "need their free shit".
Since we have the means of copying something that has value, we should do that. For free, we can spread joy, information, knowledge and culture to people. Obviously, we should do that.
We should also find a way for talented people creating the content to be able to keep doing what they do and not having to get a job at McD which would cut into their time of producing their art. A little bit of socialism could help.
A good starting point to build a more sane society, where passionate people could pursue their passion while the rest of us could get jobs to afford luxury items to fill the void of lacking a passion, might be a basic income guarantee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_guarantee
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
For those who don't speak Dutch: the link goes to a letter send to ISPs that is horrendously translated to Dutch from another language (I guess French). And by 'horrendously' I mean it's worse than a Google-translate translation. On another note: even if depiraatbaai.be gets blocked, why does anyone think there won't be a new URL within hours, at the most? On still another, somewhat related, note: a letter from McCain as a response to concerns regarding SOPA can be found here.
Use 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server - works nicely with thepiratebay.org (I just tested)
Blah blah.
Your music/movie/game/book can be copied an unlimited number of times for free. Following the law of supply and demand, your media is worth $0 since supply is infinite.
So if you still want to make money from it, change your business model. Sell something that actually has value. Make the music available for free, build a fan base and cash in on that fan base by selling t-shirts, concert tickets and other derived products. I'd pay a hundred bucks for a replica of Dr Who's Sonic Screwdriver. So far I can't find a proper replica. Only cheap plastic stuff. I found one that makes light but no sound. I found another one that makes light and sound but it's also a pen, so not a real replica. I found a perfect replica of the newest screwdriver they use in the show, but I like the previous model better. I never paid to watch a single episode of the show, yet if the people in charge could just make that replica of that screwdriver I'd pay as much money as a few DVD seasons are worth.
Again, music/movies/software by itself is worth $0 today.
Also, I'm an artist myself. I make my art available for free. I still manage to make a good amount of money. People donate money or buy my derived products. "Collector editions" of my products, which feature a nice box and a few items, can not be downloaded and sell pretty well. Last year I made almost a million dollars in profits. Sure, I could fantasize all night about the extra cash I would make if I could force 'pirates' to pay me, but the reality is that my art is worth what people think it's worth. I'm also very happy to make nearly a million a year and so I do not care much about making more money by forcing pirates to pay me. As long as I think I earn as much money as my work is worth I don't see why I should demand that more people pay me. And if one day too few people pay me, well I will stop making art and I'll find a job. Most of my fans know this, so that's why they donate money even though they can access my art for free.
I am also very happy for the Internet and file sharing, it has helped me spread my art to more people. Recently I received a letter from a fan in CAMEROUN. He's from a village where they get water from a well and doesn't have access to electricity except for battery-operated devices. They access the Internet by going to the nearest city. He wrote a letter to thank me for my work and tell me his friends and neighbors all enjoy it a lot. I doubt they all paid me for my work but you know what? I don't care. I'm just glad I could entertain them. That's my first goal. I'm glad that I make money in the process of creating my art but that's far from my main goal.
So as you can see, you are not speaking for myself. You claim to be defending artists but you are not. You are either very ignorant of this issue, or you are a shill working for big publishers. Publishers are leeches, they are not needed anymore, they never were really important, but they still take over 90% of the profits. When you hear a publisher claim piracy hurts artists, you can be sure they are hypocrites. And if you really liked art you would know this, so I think you're working for a label and just shilling on the Internet. Or maybe you are one of those fake artists who don't even write their songs and who only care about money. These fake 'artists', I can see why they don't like piracy even if they make millions anyway. But these 'artists' are the people who turned art into a business. Art wasn't a business, if you create for money more than for the sake of it then it's not even real art.
Piracy removes the incentive to create art, you say? If money is your incentive, then you are not creating art anyway and thus society loses nothing of cultural value if you stop creating! You don't believe me that commercial 'art' is not real art? Well just look at what has happened to culture today.
Many people think reading books is not important and is boring, or that playing farmville is a comparable hobby. There used to be a time when even the guy who loved soccer/foo
Explain to me why a bricklayer shouldn't be allowed to charge for 70+ years after his life ends for every house he ever built and we'll talk.
The problem people have isn't with copyright per se. It's with the insanity copyright has turned into.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No it isn't morally ok, you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed. Using P2P on files you don't have copyright on you are actively distributing someone else's creation without their permission.
Yes and no. This isn't usually brought into the discussion, but it's a basic moral and ethical principle that for every right there must be a corresponding duty. Hence, when those that detain a "right to copy" fail in fulfilling the corresponding "duty to copy" by, say, refusing to employ all the copy channels available and/or by discriminating against recipients on grounds of age, race, sex, religion, geography etc., it's a moral duty of all concerned to fulfill their copyduty role for them.
For instance, I love to watch anime, and use streaming services for this. But now and then I found an anime whose copyrighter, filled with geographist bigotry, refuses his copyduty to stream to my country. Now, since they dismissed their copyduty, I don't feel a duty myself to respect their copyright, and thus I pirate. Were they to correctly follow their copyduties, and I would never pirate. And, I bet, that's also true for most pirates out there.
Sites like the Pirate Bay exist and thrive only in those instances in which copyrighters willingly decouple themselves from their copyduties, hoping we wouldn't notice such a distortion in the social contract. These sites are, quite literally, copyduty enforces. As for those copyrighters who do fulfill their copyduties, they have nothing to worry. In their case, the societal balance is already established, and working as intended.
PS.: "Intended by whom", you ask? Why, by society itself, of course, in its intuitive understanding of what "is" (clearly feels) right and what "is" (clearly feels) wrong. The above, much like sane laws, is but an explicit exposition, in logical clothing, of the inner logic behind such intuitions of right and wrong. No one is against content makers earning a living from their work, but there's a baseline human understanding on how it should happen. And "copydutyless copyright" is something that clearly doesn't fit it.
Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.