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Belgium Anti-Piracy Group Expands Attack On Access To the Pirate Bay
bs0d3 writes "The Belgian Anti-Piracy Federation (BAF), has been threatening ISPs into expanding their blockade of thepiratebay. Recently they have been sending threatening letters to various other ISPs which were not involved with the original judgment to block thepiratebay. The letter 'kindly requests' that all ISPs voluntarily block thepiratebay, or BAF will bring legal action against them. The ISP BASE has succumbed to these legal threats. Also, many of the same Belgian ISPs have taken it one step further and also blocked the DNS for depiraatbaai.be. depiraatbaai.be was setup by thepiratebay as an alternative domain which directs users to the piratebay's servers to circumvent DNS censorship. For those who can't wait for The Pirate Bay to set up new alternative domains, a full working mirror of the site still exists at malaysiabay.org, which was originally set up to circumvent the piratebay block in Malaysia."
Why does Slashdot report on Pirate Bay so much? Almost like it's pro-piracy or something. The summary even helpfully provides links to Pirate Bay mirrors.
Don't hurt me; just asking.
>de piraatbaai.be blocked? Simply not true.
From the summary:
"[M]any of the same Belgian ISPs have taken it one step further and also blocked the DNS for depiraatbaai.be."
That means that you may have one of the providers that hasn't blocked it. Get some reading skillz.
See ? Sounds brutal ? But that was how it was back in peasant revolts in middle ages - when a small minority enforced their rules and interests on overwhelming majority through organized repression through the system they established (political, economical) and usage of arms, there was no way out but that. And most of those uprisings are now considered revolutions that made our modern societal principles.
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See, something similar is happening, yet noone is doing anything, but talk. the only difference in between middle ages and now is, back then people were not allowed to talk. Now, you can talk, but talk changes nothing.
does that mean, society is ok with getting repressed as long as they can talk against it, even if it doesnt provide any fruits ?
It seems modern man is much more obedient than medieval peasant. the irony
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There are not that many providers in Belgium.
Skynet, Telenet, VOO and Scarlet are the biggest ones.
I am at Dommel and they do not block. Evonet is a smaller one.
Curious which ones are blocking piraatbaai.be
I also run my own DNS, so enough ways around it for me. If nothing else out of principle.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
This is exactly why Mediaafires Firefox-plugin "Piratebay Dancing!" was created:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mafiaafire-piratebay-dancing/
Or is there some circumstance here that cripples the plugin?
(And still there is no notes about how to 'properly' link a word with an URL in slashdots help below writing comments)
Prosp long and liver.
depiraatbaai is currently not blocked by telenet.
Not that it matters, because it's only the dns which is blocked. It's easy enough to circumvent by using another dns server.
If they block the ip adres, that would be a problem , though i already have some ideas to work around that.
on a "Scarlet" (= Belgacom) ADSL connection:
depiraatbaai.be has address 194.71.107.15
(truthful)
thepiratebay.org has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.net has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.com has address 193.74.22.191
thepiratebay.se has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.org has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.net has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.se has address 193.74.22.191
piratebay.no has address 193.74.22.191
(falsified)
Flemish speakers can have a good laugh here: http://nurpa.be/files/20111117_BAF-letter-to-ISP_NL.pdf
This may already exist but if not, how possible would it be to add an additional DNS that has rapidly updated IPs for politically (or otherwise) blocked servers? So long as the user could add this DNS to the ISP provided DNS server list it would be able to more rapidly react to such blocking based on DNS names.
The ISPs would of course block the alternate DNS unless it provided primarily non-pirate related alternative DNS services.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
When will these copyright groups learn that DNS Poisoning as this pretty much is don't stop anything. They may claim it will stop most people, But are most people really that dumb to not know how to use google or bing to search out easy way around the blocks.
you are grossly ignorant of this.
a medieval peasant would lose A LOT more than you, from his/her perspective. foremost being the piety, the standing in front of god's eyes. because the church have been conditioning people from birth to believing that lords held power in god's name, rebelling against the nobles had basically been made into a sin.
for a medieval peasant even to muster the will to break that conditioning was something major.
and, you dont know what came after repressed revolts - medieval torture. yes, not metaphorically, real medieval torture.
if you are fooled into believing that you have more belongings and comfort of life in contemporary world, hence more to lose - think again - you are getting LESS than available amount and level of technology and wealth available to your civilization at your time, than a medieval peasant got as share from his society at his time - his share was 33%, and your share is just 15%.
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
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No it isn't morally ok, you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed. Using P2P on files you don't have copyright on you are actively distributing someone else's creation without their permission.
It's basically some hand waving that allows people to feel morally innocent. I've no issue with pirates who admit what they are doing is morally unjustifiable - it's the freetards who think it's OK and they're STICKING IT TO THE MAN that get my goat.
Sadly both you and I will get modded down as people "need their free shit".
Since we have the means of copying something that has value, we should do that. For free, we can spread joy, information, knowledge and culture to people. Obviously, we should do that.
We should also find a way for talented people creating the content to be able to keep doing what they do and not having to get a job at McD which would cut into their time of producing their art. A little bit of socialism could help.
A good starting point to build a more sane society, where passionate people could pursue their passion while the rest of us could get jobs to afford luxury items to fill the void of lacking a passion, might be a basic income guarantee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_guarantee
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
Please. This did more bad than good.
Instead use the force, read it at the source, Luke!
For those who don't speak Dutch: the link goes to a letter send to ISPs that is horrendously translated to Dutch from another language (I guess French). And by 'horrendously' I mean it's worse than a Google-translate translation. On another note: even if depiraatbaai.be gets blocked, why does anyone think there won't be a new URL within hours, at the most? On still another, somewhat related, note: a letter from McCain as a response to concerns regarding SOPA can be found here.
Use 8.8.8.8 as your DNS server - works nicely with thepiratebay.org (I just tested)
These days, the conditioned can feel like they had a choice in the matter. It's like choosing your master in order to celebrate your great freedom of choice.
quite accurate.
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That's some really funny shit. If I were an ISP I would simply ignore it and if BAF took further action claim that the letter simply was unintelligible.
Anyway, let them put their effort in this nonsense. It will just get more people to use alternative DNS providers.
So where does this 'DNS blocking' nonsense end? Well, since it's trivial to set up, all that will happen is that we will have a "Freedom DNS" layer out there. How do you stop that? I guess you could try and block those IPs. Okay, so you layer it on top of a DHT say. Now what? Either you continue to 'whack a mole', or you make it illegal to look up some numbers on the internet.
That's the end point of this, another crazy 'these bits are special and you're not allowed to see/copy/think about them' law. This can only end with more freedom thrown handcuffed into the cellar while corporate interests are getting blowjobs from eager politicians mubling incoherently about 'the children and the jobs'.
At some point there's going to be a physical reaction to this insanity. Just keep pumping up the pressure.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
This is like a quarrel at a casino. If you take all the singers, banjo players, actors, actresses, etc. and add up all their income, and compare that to the ratio that goes to the few who make it big in Hollywood, the whole entertainment industry resembles a lottery. It's funded by charging for overpriced tickets. Whenever you overcharge for something (margins over value of cost of production) you create huge incentives for piracy. The music industry should have revamped the "Columbia Record Club" of the 1970s Parade Magazine, given away enough songs/albums up front for customers to feel like they were getting a deal.
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No it isn't morally ok, you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed. Using P2P on files you don't have copyright on you are actively distributing someone else's creation without their permission.
Yes and no. This isn't usually brought into the discussion, but it's a basic moral and ethical principle that for every right there must be a corresponding duty. Hence, when those that detain a "right to copy" fail in fulfilling the corresponding "duty to copy" by, say, refusing to employ all the copy channels available and/or by discriminating against recipients on grounds of age, race, sex, religion, geography etc., it's a moral duty of all concerned to fulfill their copyduty role for them.
For instance, I love to watch anime, and use streaming services for this. But now and then I found an anime whose copyrighter, filled with geographist bigotry, refuses his copyduty to stream to my country. Now, since they dismissed their copyduty, I don't feel a duty myself to respect their copyright, and thus I pirate. Were they to correctly follow their copyduties, and I would never pirate. And, I bet, that's also true for most pirates out there.
Sites like the Pirate Bay exist and thrive only in those instances in which copyrighters willingly decouple themselves from their copyduties, hoping we wouldn't notice such a distortion in the social contract. These sites are, quite literally, copyduty enforces. As for those copyrighters who do fulfill their copyduties, they have nothing to worry. In their case, the societal balance is already established, and working as intended.
PS.: "Intended by whom", you ask? Why, by society itself, of course, in its intuitive understanding of what "is" (clearly feels) right and what "is" (clearly feels) wrong. The above, much like sane laws, is but an explicit exposition, in logical clothing, of the inner logic behind such intuitions of right and wrong. No one is against content makers earning a living from their work, but there's a baseline human understanding on how it should happen. And "copydutyless copyright" is something that clearly doesn't fit it.
Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
I guess "anti-copyright" is being opposed to copyright/patent laws. "Pro-piracy" is disbeying the law. Although politically the two opinions are likely closely aligned in politically opposing copyright. I suspect agreement becomes harder when discussing an alternative law - discussion which just doesn't exist yet, as it's not yet politically viable.
But I'd propose that the new law simply say - Intellectual concepts, information, and ideas, when unlocked and detached from any hard property, is simply human knowledge. And human knowledge cannot be owned by anyone, it can always be circulated and communicated freely. When attached to a certain hard media, such as paper, computers, data-recording media, or any equivalent, anyone may sell that media for whatever amount one decides to ask.
In other words, if you have access to any information you think you should make public and distribute, you may do so, and noboy may stop you or punish you for it.
That includes industrial information, technical information, personal information, product information, military information, espionage information, and any other information.
If anyone decides to inflict violence upon others based on some information, they will respond for and be responsible for their violence. Information, technology, and machines do not create violence - violent people create violence.
The priority issue in human society is violence - not property. Economic violence, psychological violence (lies), discrimination violence, physical violence, and several other forms. Information is just not a priority issue, and in fact, it's just knowledge, and everyone is entitled to have access to it.
I believe any other interpretation, such as "the artists must get paid", simply eventually leads to ownership, and blocking access, restrictions, and so on.
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people "need their free shit".
Uhm yea started a while back, British East India Company, colonies, gold, Roman Empire taxes, etc. It's what money-society teaches, by example. You can't steal. Actually... you can't get *caught* stealing. But if you have the power to, or the need to, and you're either the Authority, The Rebel, or the Poor Man... your job, obligation, or right, is to steal.
There is the written law, the praticed law, the culture, society, tradition, the moral law, social context, political reality... you have to take all of these into account. Not just the paper law. If you look at just the paper law it's either in your interest, or you are being naive.
Look at military, police, legal, and tax practices, and you will get a crash course in paper law vs practiced law real fast.
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Here you are. It's always nice to see rapist corporations put under the proper light.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1029514/fripp-lays-music-industry-rip
Robert Fripp lays in to music industry rip-off merchants
Vista composer exposes EMI's lucrative shenanigans
Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/14sUS)
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No it isn't morally ok, you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed. Using P2P on files you don't have copyright on you are actively distributing someone else's creation without their permission.
Conversely, that creator is depriving me my choice in how I arrange my ink on my paper, or bistable voltage levels in my computer's memory. The adage that my right to stretch my arm ends where my neighbor's nose begins springs to mind -- even granting some notion of intellectual property and authorial control, there's the issue of who's the fist and who's the nose here?
However, I (and a very few others) see through the copyright lobby's bullshit. This "right" of authors to control their creation was fabricated from thin air a scant 300 years ago by publishers (who opposed author's rights in general up till then) when they were unable to get the same right (also invented), but applying to the first publisher to print a work, not the actual author who wrote it, recognized in law. They compromised, settling for the less transparent authors' "right", only because they thought they could still control the work -- after all, what could an artist do with a work but sell the rights to a publisher on the publisher's terms? This stands in stark contrast to personal property rights, which have been more-or-less recognized over thousands of years. One of these sounds like a profit-increasing fraud, the sort of thing one might expect some big corporation to pull today with the help of some bought congressmen, while the other sounds like a real, natural, moral right -- I leave you to guess which is which.
A good starting point to build a more sane society, where passionate people could pursue their passion while the rest of us could get jobs to afford luxury items to fill the void of lacking a passion, might be a basic income guarantee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income_guarantee
If the music industry is so interested in creating music and supporting musicians, I think all their effort and expense towards lawyers would somehow be more effiient if they created music schools, promoted musicians, shows. They want us to believe in the the insane story that humans will not make music anymore, music and culture will die and disappear from history... why? because it can be easily distributed? quickly and without cost? That's going to kill music?
Perhaps we should say that taking the corporations out of music is actually going to save it.
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No it isn't morally ok
Subjective.
you are depriving the creator their choice in where and how their creation is distributed
You drilled into their skull and took away their ability to believe that they can do something? Wow, people sure do 'deprive' me of a lot of things, then!
Also, they still very much have that ability. They haven't lost their ability to choose where and how their creation is distributed. It's just that the pirates are doing it, too.
morally unjustifiable
Subjective.
In any case, your assumptions and generalizations completely obliterated the opposition. That was truly the end of the pirates. You're completely right and they're completely wrong.
Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
If your passion is making gobs and gobs of money, then go make gobs and gobs of money.
Some of my favourite people are from th US; Vonnegut, Chomsky, Bill Hicks.
We should also find a way for talented people creating the content to be able to keep doing what they do and not having to get a job at McD which would cut into their time of producing their art. A little bit of socialism could help.
Sounds a lot like Communism to me, not that that's a bad thing in itself. From each... to each..., and all that.
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
...only on Earth would someone actually name a country "Belgium".
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
Et tu, Belgium?
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*Reality* "deprives" the creator of that "choice". P2P is merely a manifestation of the simple fact that information is trivial to create and duplicate, and nearly impossible to destroy. Go back millennia or so and "P2P" was someone wandering around the countryside singing songs beside the campfire every night.
I've seen people on Slashdot WORRY over jobs moving overseas, but I haven't yet seen anyone here who wants to OUTLAW it.
Piracy IS a constructive activity. Every time you download something over BitTorrent, you help others download it. Piracy helps spread culture to the wider masses, without having a measurable impact on the income of artists (study after study shows that the people who pirate the most are also the ones who spend the most money on culture, and the loss in potential sales is roughly made up for by the free advertising provided by piracy).
also, they got no case at all, EU supreme court already ruled in favor of scarlet after it got threatened, ruling said no isp can be forced into filtering content, im pretty sure the moral there is they can't be forced to block either. I don't get why base would succumb to this extortion tactic when there is already a legal precedent. Shows agani how much balls these people have, i think you need to be castrated from birth to run a business in belgium. In the end no one wins and the blocks are useless anyway there's like a thousand ways to circumvent and even the layman can get around it easily. It's all typical belgian bs
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
This is a job for Anonymous.....
whats that up in the sky, its a bird, its a plane, no its......a binary stream ready to take out all R U BELONG To US servers....
I cant wait till they decide to go after the anti piracy people...
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